Shov Winter 2013-2014 Sativa Grow

[Shovelhandle]

I've been gathering the stuff to start a new indoor grow. It's going to be all sativa and either MR. Nice Seeds or my hybrid from Mr. Nice Seeds. I have my Z11 x Neville's Haze, Super Silver Haze and Mango Haze. The Z-11 is a hybrid I've worked from bubblegum and afghani strains. I plan on a very short veg for these, maybe two weeks to get to good form and then right to 12/12.

[Shovelhandle]

I will again be growing in organic soil with organic nutrients.
The basic recipe is approximately 40% composted used soil, 40% sphagnum peat moss and 15% additional perlite. The additional 5% is base nutrients and amendments including Espoma Plant-Tone (5-3-3), Maxicrop soluble seaweed powder (1-0-4), Excelerite 'remineralizer and micro-organism multiplier' (0-0-1.16), Plant Success mycorrhizae.
The plants will be started in RED SOLO party cups and transplanted into 3 gallon and 5 gallon grow bags.
There are six Z11 x NH seedlings just started. This morning I took the MH and SSH seeds (8 each) and planted each in party cups. I prepared 16 cups, all 16 beans sprouted since putting them in damp paper towel on Monday night.

The pots are under a (4) lamp T5HO54 Grow spectrum lamps for now. The room temperature is 75ºF.

[catbuds]

Organic's the only way man! My taste buds tell me this makes sweeter smoke. I can taste chems no matter how much you flush. I'm interested in hearing more about your lights. I haven't changed anything in maybe 30 yrs. NL, kush, skunk & big bud. My lights, hps with fluorescent side light, adding led's to that mix. My soil, composted leaf mold (sterilized @ 180º to kill soil borne pathogens), spaghnum, perlite, pinch bone meal, blood meal, green sand, & a couple healthy hand fulls earth worm castings. Use fish emulsion & Bills Perfect Fertilizer, bloom formula, foliar feed with same. Soil mix is rich (but non burning), so I don't feed constantly. My grow (flowers & veggies too) is phenomenal (BS in hort from the 70's). Having the hort degree makes me feel like I should have the good sense to modernize. I'm sticking to my soil blend & strains, but I'm thinking about upgrading my lights. How's the heat output of your lights compared to hps? Heats now my main concern since I have a smaller grow space than I'm used to. Everything's perfect, but I would like to get the same light output with less heat & therefore less need of cooling (keeping down the ole' electric bill). So what do you think?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PEACE!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[catbuds]

Wasn't trying to jack your thread, just trying to get your attention to ask you about your lights & get your opinion. So I started my own, camper closet grow. Since our techniques are close, I figured you advise on new light would better fit my style.~~~~~PEACE!~~~~~

[Shovelhandle]

Yut, I see the similarities in our grow thinking.

[Shovelhandle]

I've got all the plants up and going. The T5 is now off for now and I'm running a 400 watt 10K MH with a large box fan for ventilation. Max temp at the plants is 75ºF. I felt I needed to HID to cover the space.
The first risers are now in bags. These are the (6) Z11 x Neville's Haze hybrids. I topped them at the third node and they are growing back.
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In the cups I have (12) Mango Haze, (2) SSH and (6) Z-11 sativa x Neville's Haze.
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In the buckets I have a bunch of seeds sprouting, these are Z11 sat x NH. If I have any runts or ? these will be the second stringers.
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I have fourteen more 3 gallon bags of soil ready for transplants. I'll have to fill six more if I want to use all the plants now in cups. That will total 26 plants.

[tlranger]

Looks like a solid start up.

[Buggy]

What size grow area do all these babes fit into for you? Also, are they fem seeds or no?

[Shovelhandle]

The grow area is anywhere from 2' x 4' to 5' x 5' and I use up to 1000+ watts. No feminized seed. I'm thinking if I finish with at least nine that's about right. Usually, I end up with more plants than I need rather than too few.

[catbuds]

Tell me more about your 2X4' area. What wattage lights here & about your cooling. My camper grow closet is about 2 1/2'X8'. Since I'm using 4' fluorscents, using 1/2 to put my veg fish tank in. Can't throw a lot of wattage in there because I'm running extention cords. Had an electrical fire last fall during hurricane because of over loaded cords, made me paranoid. Fear of another fire is seriously limiting my possibilities, but I can visualize your space & dream untill my outdoor grow next year. (Sm perpetual harvests are better than nothing). BTW, Este still MIA....worried.~~~PEACE~~~

[Shovelhandle]

I use a utility room that is about 9' x 14'. In addition to the home water pump and furnace there is a work bench with task lighting and an exhaust fan. The grow area is surrounded with cardboard panels painted white for reflecive walls. They are hung from the 7' ceiling.

[bluntpasser]

Looking Great Shove! :thumbsup:
Hope all is well!

[Shovelhandle]

thank you. I'm up early. Taking Mrs. Shov to hospital for back surgery this am. She's been in agony for months. :sadcrying

[tlranger]

Hope it went well

[giggletwig]

I hope the back surgery went well! I've been there and it's no fun. Best wishes to you and especially Mrs. Shovel.

Your new grow sounds really nice so far! I've just started mine too - have a Cannatonic, Chocolope, Tangerine Dream, and Blue Cheese (feminized). Trying to re-veg my Widow and Pineapple Express. Widow looks really sad. The new babies however look really good. :D

[catbuds]

So sorry about Mrs Shovel. God I know back pain! Broke 3 ribs loose from my spine, resulting in quite a bit of nerve damage plus degenerative disk disease. I feel for her. Send her my best!
---- your grow room is 2' longer than my spare bedroom, which I plan to turn into a laundry room/ grow room in about three years from now. I'll probably keep the grow area sm since my outdoor is my main crop. Most likely a 250 watt hps on a 6' light track with fluorescent grow lights on the sides for flowering, 6-8 plants. But till then, its just my little camper closet grow! :) ~~~PEACE!~~~

[lipps]

Ouch........

[catbuds]

Hey Shovel, how's the Mrs? Hope this surgery helps & the pain level isn't too high. When my ex had his spinal fusion, he said the pain was a lot less after the surgery. Don't forget to make her a cup of chamomile tea to go with her evening dose of pain meds. I love that stuff. It goes so well with a bowl before bed, no pain & a good night sleep. :)

[Shovelhandle]

I now have 24 plants in 3 gallon bags under a 400 watt MH and 216 watts of florescent. They are in different stages of seedling. Sunday the lighting will change to 400 watt HPS and the florescent will continue to burn veg spectrum lamps for now. I will start 12 hours lights on, 12 hours lights off. These strains can be very stretchy and flower for up to 14 weeks, some individuals can go even longer. I'll put up some crappy photos soon.

[Shovelhandle]

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All 24, Z11 x NH, Z11 x NH runt with guard wasp, Z11 sativa x NH, SSH, MH

[catbuds]

Pretty pretty babies. God, I think we even do the same plant lables! Cut up milk jugs & sharpie marker! Hey, re-use, re-cycle. Since your varieties will stretch a lot & will be in flower about 14 wks, how tall do you think they will be at finish? My attic & basement both had low ceilings (camper even lower), & that has always prevented me from having thoes tall slow flowering sativas indoors :(

[Shovelhandle]

I've been able to keep them around 3' even with a full 8 week veg. But these will not be topped (except the six already done). LST also works well to develop multiple colas and short stature. I've had a few very odd flower and plant formations growing these sativa dominant haze strains. They are very interesting to grow and the NH has my favorite flavor.

Yut, I do reuse my cut milk jug labels. I clean them off with alcohol. I also save/reuse the pieces of solid copper electrical wire I use to train the plants and hang things up.

[catbuds]

That's amazingly compact for sativa dominates. I'm impressed! Very few people seem to know you can remove permant ink with alcohol. I learned that when I kept getting ink stains in the bottoms of my lab coat pockets! Seems we have more similarities that just growing techniques. When I painted my closet white the other day, I realized the wheel well raised the closet floor 1 1/2', so by the time I hang my lights, I'll only have 4' , maybe a little less for finished plant height. I hate to be so limited. Found 2 strains that are really compact, one of them are on sale, so guess I'll be going with the arora indica. I think it was like 10 seeds for $33. You know anything about this variety you can tell me?. Oh, since we're both into re-using, I found a nursery who sell used 1gal pots, .10 cents each. So I break out the bleach (ugh! Hate that smell) HOT water & a scrub brush. Cant beat that price! One year I had some landscape fabric left over, so I set up the sewing machine & made grow bags. Hey, what can I say, I'm a cheap date! LOL!!~~~PEACE!~~~

[Shovelhandle]

home-made grow bags are great. I have also used smart pots and reusable fiber shopping bags. I bought a bag of (25) 3 gallon grow bags so I decided to go with them this time as I'm cramming a lot of green into a minimum of space. Cost $.30 each.
I do not know that strain. It sounds like a Northern Lights type (Afghanica).
I have been buying my seeds from Mr. Nice Seed Auction. Some great deals. I bought the European Outdoor strain for 50E for a gram (50-60 seeds) the Mango Haze cost maybe 100E but I got 25 seeds in the pack (18 minimum usually). There are many strains that go much cheaper and they are mostly premier strains.
I grew out some sativas indoors 2010 and 2011 and the grow logs should be here on cannabis.com.

[Shovelhandle]

Ready to go 12/12. (2) 400 watt HPS w/ 216 watts of Grow spectrum T5HO. I just went back to look at the harvest of some of these strains from back in 2010. Crazy looking shit and really good smoke.

[polishpollack]

Catbuds, I think digital ballast can keep your heat down, but I also think they're pricey. In the end, you just need to burn enough power to get the job done.

[Shovelhandle]

Hey Poleski, Catbuds has her own threads. This is my grow log, thanks. I don't mind answering questions but please post unrelated topics to the correct threads.

[catbuds]

I don't have think I've seen you mention if you use fem seeds or not. I'm trying to decide which way to go with that. If I like this new strain, would kinda like to keep the strain going, but since I'm not ordering many seeds, maybe I'd be better with all females. Whats the most potent strain you have going? I'm already thinking about next springs outdoor grow.~~~~PEACE!~~~~

[Shovelhandle]

Great questions.

I buy regular seeds. But when the plants grow out one may have a couple of seeds from self pollination. These are feminized and I do save them if the weed is up to quality. If a plant hermies and puts out seed (or seeds other adjacent plants) I will not save those seeds. This grow is all regular seeds. The most potent strain is the Neville's Haze so certain phenos of the Z-11 x NH hybrids may be top shelf. The SSH and MH are also top shelf genetics. They are very similar as the mothers were sister plants when the breeders worked these strains. Selections were made to offer different tastes though the genetics appear the same for both Mango Haze and Super Silver Haze (NL5 x NH) x Skunk1 x NH). Same-o for my Z-11 x NH strains. Selection of a Z-11 indica dominant mother verses a rare sativa dominant mother with the same Neville's Haze father produced two different strains, though some phenos of each may be very close to the same thing.

These strains may not be the best for outdoors in my climate. The Neville's Haze is best in a tropical climate. The SSH and MH may be a little less demanding.

[catbuds]

I'm zone 7, close to 6 on the USDA map. Do you know what zone you are. Back in the 70's, to bud some of the long flowering late mexican varieties (making sure they finished before the first hard killing frost), I used to run out every night around 5:30-6:pm & cover with a very dark green sheet of plastic untill after dark, beginning mid august. Total pain in the butt for a teenager. Couldnt leave the house till I took off the sheets. Killed my social life till the end of sept. but it worked. Now old age & arthritis won't let me sling sheets over those plants! Ha! Lot of work for stuff that wasn't even that good. Then I discovered skunk & never again planted seed that came out of a bag of brown crap! But my thought here is, there's a lot of good sativa strains out there that are late to finish. If you want the BIG outdoor plants, what's your technique? (Reading your threads & seeing your harvest dates, I figured you for around zone 5 or 6). ~~~~PEACE! ~~~~

[polishpollack]

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[catbuds]

Hey Shovel, hop over to my camper closet thread & see what I found! Goodies & cheapies! YEA!! ~~~Peace!~~~

[Shovelhandle]

Photo of grow after one week 12/12 lighting.
The plants were 1-3 weeks old going into bloom.
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The back row is the older, Z11 x NH and they were topped during their first week.
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The middle rows are mostly MH
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and the front row is Z11 sativa x NH and were about one week old seedlings when put into bloom.
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The two SSH are front row left and middle row right.
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Colors are off due to the HPS lighting but all the plants look good.

[Shovelhandle]

One Super Silver Haze is male and was replaced with a Z-11 sativa x NH. The other SSH is female. The (6) Z-11 x NH are female and a couple of the Z11 sativa x NH are showing. female. I'm keeping my eye on the Mango Haze.
I moved the taller, Z-11 x NH to the front row and the back two rows are MH.


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A Z-11 x NH

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[catbuds]

Looks great! Really like the AZ11X NL. That one should really pile on the resin. BTW, Aurora indica is afghani X NL F1 hybrid. Someone (think it was Dutch) said low yield, really leafy & 3X normal roots. How would that be possible with those genetics?? ~~~ PEACE! ~~~

[Shovelhandle]

You wearing your glasses, Cat? The strains are;
Z11 x Neville's Haze (all females)
Z11 sativa x Neville's Haze (all females)
Mango Haze (most have shown female, no males yet)
Super Silver Haze (gone, both males, none females)

[catbuds]

Hey! Good percentages, but that's too bad about the super silver haze. Havent tried it, but the mango haze sounds good. Read up on it in the online seed banks & I liked what they said. What's the heights on these varietis so far? So what did you think about the aurora indicas genetics? Are you going to save some pollen from the silver haze?
---- Happy Halloween! BOO! :) ~~~ PEACE! ~~~

[Shovelhandle]

I've grown out SSH a number of times and have f2 and multiple hybrids so no cross breeding of this now. I may have mentioned before but MH and SSH have the same genetics, they are cousins. The mothers were sisters. My favorite breeders are Neville Schoenmakers and Shantibaba from Mr Nice Seeds. And Mango Haze is Shanti's favorite strain. So far, NH is my favorite strain.
Aurora Indica is reported to be a very good strain. I do not run Gypsy Nirvana's gear.

My indica dominant strains;
I've run Mazar-i-Sharif, it seems that it's supposed to be a sativa but the seeds I got produced a nice hashy indica. I like Bubblegum, a pretty indica dom IBL and have run it from bag seed and clones and got my own seed stock. The Bubblegum and Afghani bag seed created my Z-11 strains, If I remember correctly. Also I was gifted Afghani Dream x BOG Medley from a member here. I also have some Blueberry hybrids I developed from Dutch Passion Blueberry seed and crossed with Bubblegum. AK-47 seed I bought was also indica dominant and pretty good stock so I have some f2 and S1 seed stock from that. I was also gifted some other strains, Chem D x AK-47 is one I like.

[Shovelhandle]

the heights...I'll get a photo update in the next day or two but for having a 1-3 week veg they seem to be going crazy tall. And, they are getting great bud sets.

[Shovelhandle]

duplicate, no delete function...

[catbuds]

I'm reading some kick ass genetics here my friend! I'm drooling on my touch screen! Was talking to a friend last night who said he had to be scraped off the floor after smoking chem D. last week. On my last birthday, Ak-47 body slamed me. I'm confused on Mazar-I-Sharif. Some seed banks list in their sativa section, & others as indica. It taste like indica. The first time I smoked it, at first it seemed an up high, but then I stood up, realised I over indulged, sat back down & said hell I'm not cooking dinner. Where's the damned Reese cups!?!? I love bubblegum & blueberry. I've yet to try cheese but I want to. Do you know if its indica or sativa dominant? Someone told me it grows quite large.
---- I seem to be the only one who pollen swaps. You ever done this? :) ~~~ PEACE! ~~~

[Shovelhandle]

I've no experience with Cheese. The only pollinating I do is open or selective to a single branch. I've not collected and saved or shared pollen but once for my B-I-L to cross his female Purps with my male Bubblegum x Blueberry. I have a decent collection of seeds to choose from and I have some offers for a few premium cuts (Hells Angels OG, Bubba Kush, Katsu) that I may get around to growing one day. But I'm pretty pleased with the stable I have at this point.
Yes, the Mazar-i-Sharif is two totally different strains. Crazy. I have grown the indica and it's very nice. The sativa is supposed to be exceptional. It's not on my 'to do' list though.
Best of luck with the seed shopping.

[Shovelhandle]

OK, back to work...

Plants are doing very well. Mascot wasp is still there. I've culled one Mango Haze male, most of the others are female. One that is very stretchy I will cull as soon as it shows sex, either way. Plenty of MH females though. Well, here's the pics from last night which is really the first day of week four.

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[pushit]

Looking good there Shovel! Indoor-Outdoor, you're a hard person to keep up with haha.

[d00g]

Hey Shovel, the ladies are looking very healthy! When you pull the male plants, do you save them for pollinating and breeding? Or trash them? In some of the earlier posts of this thread it sounded like you have some experience working closely with the breeders and may have some experience.

[catbuds]

That Z11xNH is REALLY pretty! I like stocky indica dominates, they fit nicely indoors, & camouflage easier outdoors, plus they kick my butt! I will have to top, bend, & grossly manipulate my grow to keep them out of the lights, so I'm aiming for something with as little stretch as possible. For all my searching, it still reads like aurora indica. There has to be a way for me to post pics from this cell ph, but I can't find it. I have some seedling pics I'd really like to share. So between indoor/outdoor, how many harvests do you have per year?
~~~ PEACE! ~~~ :)

[Shovelhandle]

Thanks for the kind comments, Doog, Pushit and Catbuds.

The only pollinating I do is open or selective to a single branch. I've not collected and saved or shared pollen but once for my B-I-L to cross his female Purps with my male Bubblegum x Blueberry. So I trash males. I trash females too when I start as I usually start more seed than needed. Unfortunately I have no one to give plants to that will grow them indoors. I trash most trim (saved it this recent outdoor harvest though), I trash roaches. I'm wasteful in that regard. Sorry

Harvests a year? Often two indoors and sometimes one outdoor. Much more product than I ever need for myself. I smoke very little usually. I gift quite a lot. What I don't care for is when I let someone have seed or plants and ask for a sample of the product or at least a smoke report and I hardly ever (one out of fifty or so) get the feed-back. Many times I know the herb is good - excellent as I grow it out myself.

[catbuds]

Well that's just rude not to share with the one who gave you the plants/seeds! I have a friend who's living situation prevents him from growing. He gives me seeds, I give him half the harvest. These are always outdoor grows, since its usually unknown genetics & therefore no idea how much stretch they may have while budding. Another friend found herself rolling in money moved to far away to see often. She gets top of the line smoke & saves me the occasional seeds she finds. I always try to give her some. If she can get down here while I still have some, she'll smoke with me, but when I try to give her some to take with her, she tells me you grew, its yours, keep it. Sorry Shovel, but you have some rude, ungrateful friends.
---- I have the same # of harvests as you, but with my location/house situation, much smaller grows. Once this house is renovated, I plan to have a large grow room. I have 10' ceilings, so no size limits!
---- Love the pics you post of your pretty girls! :) ~~~ PEACE! ~~~

[iGanja]

Thanks for the kind comments, Doog, Pushit and Catbuds.

The only pollinating I do is open or selective to a single branch. I've not collected and saved or shared pollen but once for my B-I-L to cross his female Purps with my male Bubblegum x Blueberry. So I trash males. I trash females too when I start as I usually start more seed than needed. Unfortunately I have no one to give plants to that will grow them indoors. I trash most trim (saved it this recent outdoor harvest though), I trash roaches. I'm wasteful in that regard. Sorry

Harvests a year? Often two indoors and sometimes one outdoor. Much more product than I ever need for myself. I smoke very little usually. I gift quite a lot. What I don't care for is when I let someone have seed or plants and ask for a sample of the product or at least a smoke report and I hardly ever (one out of fifty or so) get the feed-back. Many times I know the herb is good - excellent as I grow it out myself.

Well shiiiiz if you can get plants to the Midwest I'll gladly take them if you need to give them away lol

[Shovelhandle]

Hated to do this but I had to top five of the MH as they are too stretchy. I don't usually top in flower but these went from seedling to flower so I didn't get to manage the stretch. It appears that all the rest of these plants are females. 24 seedlings, three males.

[catbuds]

OUCH! Been there, done that, HATE that..... but it happens. Anticipaipating doing that a lot with my height limitations. Sounds like a strain best saved for the great outdoors. Something that worked for me to manage stretch in a tall sativa I once had..... Kept cool lighting (MH/coolwhite fluorescent side lighting) for the first 2-3 wks of flowering. Keeping cool white fluo, switched to warm lighting (HPS) for 2 wks, after that switched out the cool fluor tubes for warm white. Lengthed budding time about a week, but almost 50% less stretch. Too much trouble, no more tall girls for me after that. Worth the effort? Depends on how much you like the strain. :) ~~~ PEACE! ~~~

[Shovelhandle]

Top up bags with soil and trim lower branches and bud sites. Total (20) plants. (9) Mango Haze, (6) Z11 x Neville's Haze and (5) Z11 sativa x Neville's Haze. One Z11 sativa x NH had one single ball on her with all the developing buds. I trimmed it off, marked the plant and put it where I can keep an eye on it.

[Shovelhandle]

Photos 11/10/2013

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Z-11 sativa x Neville's Haze = white ribbon
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[catbuds]

Oh that's pretty! I can almost smell them! :) :) :)

[tlranger]

Like that red ribbon' s Crystal look. Nice job!!!

[Shovelhandle]

they don't smell yet, they just young.

[Shovelhandle]

Update
I kept an eye on the hermie and it put out more male stamen so it's gone. The other four plants of that strain (Z11 sativa x NH) all show calyx forming into seed! There were no male stamen that opened so I don't know how this is happening. I was tempted to shit can all these plants but I decided to wait and see how things look in another couple of weeks. If I need the space I'll cull them out.

photos later...

[Shovelhandle]

Ok, here are some photos. Many of the MH and Z11 x NH are topped and/or tied down.

Z11 Sativa x NH
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[catbuds]

Coming along great! Especially that Z11xNH, she's busting out of her seams! :) :) :)

[tlranger]

The difference is striking, but all look so nice

[Shovelhandle]

Today is the start of week six. I trimmed the lower branches on the Mango Haze. Just about all the MH are topped and some are tied over. They are super stretchy. The Neville's Haze hybrids are staying much shorter than the MH. One Z11 x NH is sticky and smelling good.

[catbuds]

Been looking at pics in seed banks & other forums several hours today. MH looks to always be really stretchy indoors, but fills in & covers the stem well outdoors, gets really tall & stands up screaming LOOK AT ME! Not the best trait for stealth, but the description of the flavor & high would make it hard to resist. So will you be trying some MH outdoors next season? (Topped & tied down of course, you're good at that!)
---- Ahhh, think of me when you you take that first hit from the MH. I know it will be good! :) :) :)

[Shovelhandle]

no outdoor sativas here, Cat. MH would not finish well. I"m pleased with the European Outdoor strain and I will continue to grow that next outdoor season along with one or two other strains.

[Shovelhandle]

Change of plans. The Z11 x NH were pretty much all seeded. Where were these stamen coming from? I look closely and the stamen are in among the calyxes. Decision was made to scrap all them hermie prone strains and finish out the grow with just the nine Mango Haze. Yut. Still plenty plants to grow out.

[Shovelhandle]

So I transplanted the nine MH from3 gallon bags into 5-6 gallon pails. I did lose some root material during some transplants but all in all I believe it will end up for the better, yes.

[CaptainOrganicsCO]

Hey shov,
Just finished reading your log. Very informative. A couple questions. The soil ammndments(which u previously listed) are mixed in globally? For additionally feeding just aerated compost teas?

I think your MH plants look great. Seems u made a smart call with the others.
I'm following along.

[CaptainOrganicsCO]

Also in regards to your teas:

Would u mind posting your specific recipe?
Variations/modifications for specific stages of plants life?

[Shovelhandle]

teas I use are in four gallon batches. I use different Espoma organic products with biology, Age Old Bloom liquid, Meta-K, Plant Success mycorizzhae and wildlife grade molasses. >70º F for two days with air stones. I stir it up and apply straight up and for foliar I cut 8:1.

and yes, this is how I apply the organic nutrients. Once in a while a little treat like bat guano or something but basically the same old shit.

[CaptainOrganicsCO]

Thanks for the info. Do u see improvement from foliar feeding? In quality? Yield?

[catbuds]

Wasn't thinking about how far north you are from me. Thats a shame, I know how much you like sativas. I think anyone would be pleased with those Europeans! Awesome early trichromes! Really like your tea (did leave an after taste tho! LOL!) Now that I'm fat, old & gimpy, I've found liquid organics at my fav grow store that has everything I used in my teas/composts + some. Wish I could come scoop you up & take you there with me sometime, you'd love it! Love your pics, keep 'em coming! You're a ray of sunshine in a cold, dark world! :) :) :)

[Shovelhandle]

I like indoor, outdoor, back door, sidedoor. I like indica, sativa, hybrid, africanica, afghanisanica, new world, old world, small world. All my favorites.

Bloom Week Six
Nine Mango Haze. I just fed them a compost tea with Age Old Bloom, Biotone, Meta-K, molasses, mycorizzhae Excelite and Maxi-Grow. Shut off one of two 400 watt hps, still have 216 watt T5HO on one side. The nine buckets just fit under the one HPS for good light penetration at this time.

[catbuds]

I like the way you think! So you've never had a 'buddy' you didn't like! Is your first grow of MH? Was curious about the flavor. A lot of blueberries develope most of their flavor towards the end of the cure. Was wondering if the same was true for the MH, & if tasted like mangos. I'm into the flavor as much as the high, sometimes even more so. When the time comes, I'm going to have a hard time waiting for the cure! :) :) :)

[Shovelhandle]

Yes, my first grow of this strain.
I read that the original hybrid did have some mango scent or flavor, whatever but it's not a strong trait of the strain. It's all about the buzz. It's like Super Silver Haze but betterer.

[Shovelhandle]

Now I just have to clean house... toss out about 500 seeds of my hermie prone Z11 x Neville's Haze crosses. I gave them a couple of runs just to see if the hermies were stress induced. Nope. But no worries, I still have five other hybrids from Neville's Haze males crossed with G13 x Nor Cal Daddy's Girl, Super Silver Haze x Blueberry, Super Silver Haze and some of these back-crossed to Neville's Haze again. When I finish this run of Mango Haze I'll think about growing the next sativa crop using these hybrids.

[Shovelhandle]

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Another six weeks or more until harvest. They are stable since the transplanting. I expect a bloom spurt very soon.

[Shovelhandle]

Coming along.

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[thenewgrow]

hey shovelhandle im back on the forum :) and your winter grow is looking great man :D

[CaptainOrganicsCO]

Shov,
Have u heard of a product called nature's big bud?
I believe it's just castings yucca and some trace minerals.
An experienced organic farmer gave me this info.

Simplify and standarize my tea's. 1 gal pure water, 10 drops calmag, 1 teaspoon Big Bud, and some fresh EWC

What do you think?

[CaptainOrganicsCO]

No update since 11/28?

[Shovelhandle]

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[Shovelhandle]

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a couple of different phenos and one odd stretchy plant that's still just starting to flower.

[CaptainOrganicsCO]

Thanks, was wondering, and they look great!

[Shovelhandle]

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this is the skinny girl. tallest of all it had tree tops. I busted one tip accidentally and bent the other two over to try and even the canopy. This one looks like it will be the last one standing.

[CaptainOrganicsCO]

How tall is she, looks like 4-5 ft, huge.

[Shovelhandle]

They are in 5 gallon pails and that plant was about 30", I'd guess.

[catbuds]

How many indoor harvests you you usually get per year? Those girls are looking nice. They're keeping daddy busy! :)

[Shovelhandle]

Photos of the grow area and each plant from the most indica leaning to the sativa end. The sativa #9 is the tallest but barely starting to flower. I think 11 or 10 hours of light may help this or putting her into darkness for a day or three. I had to supercrop the tops on #9 as they were getting pretty high, as are #s 8 and 7.

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And my redneck grow area with white cardboard reflectors to keep the light on the plants, where it's needed

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[OMB]

Redneck?...Hahaha, looks good to me! Great looking Girls Shovelhandle, I aspire to such results. Love these Grow logs, I need to do one start to finish as well.
Nice grow man!

[catbuds]

My ex was a carpenter for Ryland homes (cheap construction, CHEAP materials, over priced pre-fab houses)! He used to bring home end rolls of off brand stuff that was like tyvec. No printing, solid white. We'd tape & staple sheets of it from the ceiling to form a tent around the grow. Shit worked great, & my favorite price. FREE! I love cardboard too. Pretty rugged, & takes paint well. You can reconfigure your walls to conform to ea grow, more practical than plywood. Paint? One coat for cardboard, 3 coats for plywood. I use white tyvec type for putting things like this together. White is good, but it like it because it keeps its tack even when wet. Purchase price a little bit more than duct tape, but you don't have to ever reapply, it sticks much better. I like your set up, practical, functional & not over priced! :) :) :)

[tlranger]

Noticed you using some bags, for some of your indoor(cats camper grow), not used that small a size. Benefits over pots?

Used big soft pots outdoors, and in greenhouse. Really like the way roots can go through bottoms to make root zone bigger.

Growing some really nice plants!!!

[Shovelhandle]

I use 3 gallon bags, love 'em! But when I tossed all the other strain and had only nine plants left I transplanted into 5 gallon pails. I have a couple of 5 gallon grow-bags but I like to keep them all the same.

[tlranger]

Quessing with bags that size, you must cut to transplant, one time use.

[Shovelhandle]

well I usually do not transplant from the three to a five gallon. But I did cut the bags to transplant this time. $.30 each, cheap enough.

[tlranger]

Pick a nice one, and you've got a Xmas tree in the house

[catbuds]

Pick a nice one, and you've got a Xmas tree in the house


Yeah! & if you have one with that piney smell, you've got it made! MERRY CHRISTMAS! ;)

[Shovelhandle]

I can't get a piney smell from a glade pine scented air freshener. I don't sniff so great, I guess. But I can inhale. :jointsmile::stoned::rasta::rastasmoke::smokin::pi mp:

[catbuds]

Hey! Like the party you're habing on your post! Which one am I? LOL! ;) ;) ;)

[Shovelhandle]

:hippy:

[tlranger]

Party on dude!! Sounds like a movie line. :jumphappy::rastabanna::woohoo:

[Shovelhandle]

Shut down the grow lights and misted all the plants. Took photos while I was waiting for them to dry so to turn the lamps back on. I tried to center one plant in each photo.

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[d00g]

Shut down the grow lights and misted all the plants. Took photos while I was waiting for them to dry so to turn the lamps back on.

Hey Shovel - why do that? Is that for foliar feeding or another reason?

[Shovelhandle]

Outdoor plants and house plants all love a bath once in a while, so do crop plants. You can add a little something nutritious or just water and a surfactant. They do like it

BTW, I was just doing a preliminary estimate of cost savings for electricity by running from seed directly to 12 hours of light instead of the usual eight weeks of 18 hours a day of lighting for the veg period before blooming. It looks like a HUGE difference even if the crop takes twenty weeks total 12/12 compared to eight weeks of 18/6 and then 10 weeks (or more) of 12/12. It would be more like 12-14 weeks for most of the phenotypes and possibly more for the one late bloomer. From the looks of it I should pull good yield anyway.

[tlranger]

[QUOTE=Shovelhandle;22608 from seed directly to 12 hours of light instead of the usual eight weeks of 18 hours a day of lighting for the veg period before blooming.

Pretty amazing, have done this several times in my SOG system and only seem to grow almost individual buds, with little or no branching, yours look great.

[catbuds]

Ranger, is that from seed, or clones? My seedling bush out, but my clones can give me just a big single cola if I go 12/12 as soon as they root.
-- So how did the old wives tail hold up? Did that seem to give you a higher male to female ratio. Can you remember the early High Times mag telling us vegging less than 8 wks raised the number of males? I took that as fact for years & just went with it, but it doesn't seem to be true. Beautiful girls!
-- My RH hasn't went over 21% since I turned the heat on, sometimes as low as 17%. So I spray mist often. Sometimes foilar feed, but always a few drops of dish soap in which ever I'm using. Keeps the buggers away! :) :) :)

[tlranger]

Ok, that's true, but I'm thinking about extra early in green house and temp may play a role in my variety. Starting a bunch for outdoor very early, seems like they sex right away, move some under lights 12-12 and they keep budding, move others outside into garden where the days are starting to get longer and warmer and those will slip back into veg for the summer. That way I didn't spend much time transplanting males.

But have read on forum about plants having to reach a maturity, before they really start budding, so quessing you guys are right!:jointsmile:

[catbuds]

Shov, since they took a little longer to bud, I'm wondering if a compromise may be in order, like maybe trying 2wks of veg before 12/12? Just a thought. I'm always looking to tweek things here & there. Next time I take clones, I'm sticking one straight into 12/12. I usually give them about 1wk to start developing roots first, but since clones are chronologically the same age as the mother plant, it SHOULD flower just as fast. Unusually if I see I'll be out of smoke before my outdoor harvest, I'll take a couple of clones & put them in flower as soon as they root. If going into flower straight from the cut doesn't slow them down, that would give me a faster, shorter SOG. Be a great way of growing out a fast seed crop too, when you find an exceptional male. :) :) :)

[Shovelhandle]

clones are a totally different grow style, imo. I do 95% seed plants. So many seeds, so little time.

[Shovelhandle]

Do consider that the natural source of many sativa were in the tropics. In the tropics the length of day and night are very smell compared to artic zones. On the equator 11.5 hours of light may be winter and 12.5 hours for summer ( I guess, or something like this). So a hybrid with traits of the topical gene source may like 12/12 hours right on through. And a little bit of extra dark to flower 'em.

[tlranger]

That ^^^ makes sense.

[OMB]

Do consider that the natural source of many sativa were in the tropics. In the tropics the length of day and night are very smell compared to artic zones. On the equator 11.5 hours of light may be winter and 12.5 hours for summer ( I guess, or something like this). So a hybrid with traits of the topical gene source may like 12/12 hours right on through. And a little bit of extra dark to flower 'em.

Good Info! That would explain the Indica strain I have from Hawaii. It's growth spurt really doesn't occur until 12/12. I wonder if they would like a shorter veg time than 18/6?
Interesting, I should look into that.

[Chromophore]

Good Info! That would explain the Indica strain I have from Hawaii. It's growth spurt really doesn't occur until 12/12. I wonder if they would like a shorter veg time than 18/6?
Interesting, I should look into that.

Very Interesting. My current group of flowering girls are also "Indica dominant", and the fastest growth I ever saw on them was the first week that I went to 12/12. I grew them at 18/6.

[catbuds]

18 hrs light is perfect veg, just don't veg so long to keep them a more manageable size at finish. Remember, most strains add another 2/3 in size while in flower! But Shov is right about the sativas. But most of the sativa strains found have at least a little indica in them to speed them up, make them shorter, denser & faster. I think pure sativas are a pain in the ass indoors! I'll leave lugging around the big pots to Shovel, he's not afraid of those big tall ladies. I'm only 5'2" & they just beat me up! ;) ;) ;)

[tlranger]

Shovel
You smokin the different types yet? Have a favorite?

[Shovelhandle]

TLR, I am smoking the summer harvest. All Mr Nice Seeds product. Shit, NL5 x Sk1 and the European Outdoor.

OMB sez " I wonder if they would like a shorter veg time than 18/6?
Interesting, I should look into that." My one late bloomer pheno definitely needed a shorter light period to begin flowering. I've grown out Neville's Haze a few times and I could have had better/quicker results with a shorter day length.

I will be putting up some new photos of the grow later today showing the lower buds tric development and the upper buds filling out very well. The plants are now on 10.5 hours of light a day. I will also check for tric color on the lower buds. It will be impossible to harvest the all the bottom nuggets before the tops finish but that's fine. The one late bloomer is going strong. It needed to increase in dark time to get going. I'll finish it with 10 hours/day of light. I probably won't be smoking any until they are harvested and cured. We'll see later today if I can guess when harvest may begin. It will be in stages as the different phenos are maturing at different rates. Thanks for watching, gang!

[catbuds]

Can't wait for the next pics! You know I'm a voyeur & like watching! LOL! I once had some sativa bag seed that just wouldn't bud under 12/12 either. It was a pain having different strains, different heights & different requirements. That's the grow that led me to love clones! All from the same mother, same height & requirements. I'm lazy, would rather sit back, watch them grow & smell the flowers than work my butt off! But I guess I'm not all that lazy, otherwise I'd just sit back & watch yours grow! LOL! ;) ;) ;)

[Shovelhandle]

I did update on MNS forum if you don't mind checking there, Cat. This grow thread is getting long at 5 pages and the plants still have a while yet to go. Thank you! :hippy:
I have recently discovered that my canopy temp was a bit warmer than I thought. But now we are having a severe cold snap so I'm having to keep an eye on the area getting too cool. Gotta go check that out now.

[Shovelhandle]

Just a couple of quick update photos of a couple of plants.

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Outstanding Shovelhandle, those are beauties! Man, they look huge to me, my little "stumpies" wouldn't reach those girl's knee's. Lol
Cuttings....My cuttings the first time vegged about 5 weeks. The second one's vegged about 4 weeks and are almost done now. The next ones had 4 weeks Veg, and the ones after that will have gone 12 weeks. That will be interesting, I may have to rethink that one.
Anyway, for what I'm trying to accomplish with "little" girls it would seem a 4 week Veg is great, but I may try going 12/12 right after I pot up from cuttings just to see.
Mama plant is going 12/12 too....She is a freakin' outta control bush! She is 28 inches wide and only 16 inches tall. She is pretty well tied and topped for height, but I will have to thin her first or the middle and lower will never get light.
She is my new HPS/CFL test Girl. :smokin:

[growdemon]

man this looks like art! the bottom one kind of looks like a hawk or an eagle with its wings spread out.

[Shovelhandle]

Plants are all doing well. Some seem very close to harvest but the harvest will be staggered as some plants are still putting out pistils like mad and one is a long way off yet. One plant will still be getting nutrients and the rest just water or molasses water.

After the cold weather we are having a thaw and rain causing flooding. And we're going away for a week this Tuesday. So I had moved all the plants onto the floor for more headroom, now I have to put them back up on 12" blocks of Styrofoam and set up the sump pump. It's not automatically controlled so you have to babysit it. We have a house sitter who will be around a bit as he took vacation time from work. This morning the water has yet to reach the level to need pumping. I'm hoping this continues for the week. I would bet that some plants will be harvested as soon as we get back. I left (2) two gallon watering cans full for the sitter to water one time in the middle of the week. That will have to do it as I don't want to rely on him to determine when and how much to water or feed.

[tlranger]

Sounds like you got it covered, awaiting smoke report, have fun this week.

[Shovelhandle]

Headin'... 6:00am flight to Newark and then four hour flight to Punta Cana. See you all in a week.

[tlranger]

Saw you back on, home now, look ok. Keep pump running? Have fun on trip, hope so. Smoke any good bud, besides yours?

[Shovelhandle]

back home. got in 12 am. been busy as hell catching up with everything. I am exhausted. I'm going to burn a joint in a minute. First smoke in over one week.
I checked out the plants, they are doing great! big, dense buds. I can't fit my hand around most of them. This is a least sativa phenotype.
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[catbuds]

You're back! Hope you didn't have to dig your way in. Hope you were lucky enough to have this artic blast miss you, or maybe it hasn't made its way up yet, as we're just now getting the tail end.
-- Plants look great! You've got a good house sitter. Thank god he/she didn't over water! Now its time to rest up from the vacation! :)

[Shovelhandle]

Thank you, Cat!

I frequently check my grow area at night to make sure the lights are out. Tuesday night I saw that some of the lights were on! I don't know how long the plants were getting 24 hours of light instead of 10.5 hours I was away for a week. I didn't give the house-sitter any other instructions but to water once with four gallons of pHed water. He did say that he noticed that the lights were on at night, which they should not have been. So Wednesday morning I changed out the bad timer (I use two timers). I hope the plants do not react to the extra lighting for a few days.

I also watered with molasses water and changed the (4) grow spectrum T5HOs for (4) bloom spectrum tubes. Also since the cold spell has been in effect, -10ºf this am, I put a heater on a timer in the grow area to go on an hour after lights out until lights on. Then I realized that the electric heater elements do put out visible light (they glow orange/red in the near infrared spectrum) so I arranged the heater as to not shed light on the plants. The temperature this am was a bit warmer, 60-65º for a low temp. I'll increase the thermostat to run a bit warmer next night. This will only be as needed until things warm up from this deep freeze.

The plants are doing very well, heavy buds and lots of long trichomes. Both the topped plants and the super-cropped plants are from 24' to 36' in height, perfect! I arranged them in stadium formation (two shortest plants in front row, then thee taller then the four tallest) with the reflectors on the appropriate angle. I found a couple of little bud pieces yesterday when I was cleaning up and put them on the hood to dry. I have a low tolerance so it's hard to tell much of anything, but I got a good buzz from the first 2 hits.

The plants are maturing at various rates from a plant with no new pistils to plants still packing on layers of pistils. I'm considering harvesting the first plant in a few days to a week from now. Although I've had a number of comments on growing this haze strain on 12 hours of light right from germination (now 10.5 hours), I'm convinced that the grow is going better than it would have If I had tried to veg them for any period of time. I'm way ahead of the time schedule to harvest, the electrical demand is much less and the height of the grow is manageable. I will do this again for sativa heavy strains.

[OMB]

Very nice shovelhandle, those are some BIG buds! You are running 10.5 in flower? There was some mention of that from Weezard awhile back, Indica strains and equatorial balance with light and time. I may have to try that, looks like it's working for you! :thumbsup:
I found with my stumpy Indica strain that going to 12/12 right from works just fine....and like you said, cuts about 2 weeks to a month off the turn.
You and Mama having timer trouble reminds me to keep a close watch on mine.

[Chromophore]

shovelhandle I also had a light stay on for 24 hrs at about day 21 and luckily I noticed no ill effects. I read a story recently about a guy who discovered his timer was broken and was turning the lights on and off randomly for varying amounts of time. He had no idea how long it had been that way. He noticed that the small flowers had stopped developing and indications that male flowers were forming. He ended up tossing the entire crop as he could not get them to resume normal flowering. All because of a dumb cheapo timer. I guess the lesson is we shouldn't scrimp on quality when it comes to timers. I routinely check my flower room during dark cycle to make sure nothing's on. I admit to having a fair amount of anxiety about it.

[Shovelhandle]

OMB, maybe you meant to say sativa dominant strains and equatorial light time? Mango Haze is mostly sativa and most of my phenotypes are sativa dominant. I don't know what you are referring to as far as 12/12 cutting 2 weeks to a month off the turn. The total time for the grow, start to finish will be somewhat less, the difference between running lights for 12 hours vs 18 hours for the early part of the grow saves a bit of energy. But you would expect a decrease in yield, all things being equal. But when one has height restrictions and growing haze strains one needs to do things a little differently. I usually veg for eight weeks but this strain would have been difficult to train, even with topping and LST. These strains can flower for an unbelievable long time too. Some phenotypes (with the real good sativa traits) can go 16, 20 weeks. So I'm now finishing week 15 from germination and I have a couple of phenotypes looking to finish soon. And there is one that will be the last bush standing, It should be the largest by height and weight and hopefully have the goods I'm after.

This cold snap, sub zero Fahrenheit temps for days at a time, is creating some serious challenges. With the strong wind last night the house temperature dipped below 60º! This is a well insulated home, thermal pane windows etc. The hot water circulator runs non-stop. The grow area gets up to temperature easily with lights on but at night it needs more heat so I'm using a space heater during lights out. I also warm up the plant's water to >80º.

[Shovelhandle]

Some odd plants... sorry for my poor photos. too busy to move out from under the HPS.

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[Chromophore]

shovel what kind of camera are you using? I might be able to explain to you how to correct for that awful HPS color cast.

[Shovelhandle]

that's ok chromo. neither of my digital cameras have a light setting that will overcome that yellow. I've been through all that. sorry again

[catbuds]

You have hot water base board heat? That's the best! I grew up with it. But fridgid temps & driving winds can defeat the best insulation. I think we should all move to Weezes house! I HATE WINTER! LOL1. :)

[catbuds]

that's ok chromo. neither of my digital cameras have a light setting that will overcome that yellow. I've been through all that. sorry again

No auto white ballance? Most digital SLRs have that feature in the menu.

[Chromophore]

I know it's a pain to put these images through a software editor, but even the free ones like Picasa will allow you to correct the white balance. I use Lightroom, but that's because I do a lot of photography so I just routinely process everything through it. Digital SLRs have WB correction, but phone cameras and pocket digicams sometimes don't, esp older ones. The images I take in my flower room are really hard to correct because I have a combo of HPS and T5s, and the color casts are different as well as powerful. Goofing around with color balance I've achieved some fairly psychedelic images.:hippy:

[tlranger]

that's ok chromo. neither of my digital cameras have a light setting that will overcome that yellow. I've been through all that. sorry again

Since some of us have been though the same, and the fact you almost always go to the trouble of taken them to natural light has always impressed me.

They look killer in whatever light, betting they will smoke that way too, even in the dark, and that's the real goal, right?

[Shovelhandle]

Back to topic.

Just photos of the plant closest to harvest.

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[Shovelhandle]

...twice, two different lighting. And when I tried to upload the file, the disk was corrupted, I had to format the disk. So I lost all those pics and I'm not going to pull them out for a photo, here's a quick test to see if the disk format worked. Now I'm freeked that the disk might get used for work and fuck up, big time. So that one's marked as NFG now.

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[Chromophore]

Definitely some swell there, how exciting! I can't believe how much patience you have. I would really like to grow some Sativa strains but I don't think I could wait it out. At just 8 weeks I'm sweating bullets.

[Shovelhandle]

well I'm not to 16 weeks from seed yet so that's about normal for me with the usual 8 week veg. Only the lighting period was six hours less per day. I can pull one of them at any time. It getting closer... But I have a little double golf ball sections of branch drying out next to the modum. Once I find the kinds I like and I can find the seeds or cuts I need, the time to grow doesn't matter to me so much.

[catbuds]

I agree with Chromo on the patience! That's too bad about the corrupted disk. Technology. ... it always seems to break when you depend on it most. Frustrating. Buds are looking kick ass! Hoping what's drying on your modem eases that frustration some! :)

Moxie's cute! Needs cuddles!

[Shovelhandle]

I not frustrated Cat. I'm pleased that it acted up at home with only a few minutes work lost. no sweat. Not so bad as a whole day or week's worth of work lost. YIKES!

Thanks, the buds are big and sticky. Maybe next week's photos will come out betterer.

[catbuds]

Betterer? Ha ha ha! Think your spell check just broke too! But this is the 21st century! Technology should be unbreakable by now! Oh wait. I'm dreaming again! At least it was only a little bit lost. I'm used to shit like that happening when your whole life is riding on that disk! I once lost a whole semesters worth of work to a bad floppy, early 90's. Managed to recover & save that perfect GPA.
-- So what's next? More sativas? I was contemplating doing the 12/12 from seed thing with some indica, but then I thought with them being short & fast anyway, that would probably just sacrifice yield..?.. What do you think (the blueberry bubblegum)?

[Shovelhandle]

I have always vegged my grows until this one here so I can't guess about indica seed under 12/12 right off. I wouldn't try it myself. But I have no reason to believe it could not work out reasonably well.

yield : space : time : cost

I will be comparing this grow's metrics compared with previous successful grows. My feeling, looking at the colas and the calendar is that this grow will be above average cost/time/yield.

[catbuds]

Looking at the colas, I'd say its gonna kick some ass! Looks like 12/12 from seed will be THE way to go with sativas. Well maybe go to 10/14 as soon as they preflower, but this has saved you some time & money on your electric bill. I'm planning on putting my clones under 12/12 from the beginning, since they will still be in preflower when I cut them. Still debating about the seeds though. Maybe just cut veg time in half. Maybe the Afghani Dream next...?...

[smello1]

Really really nice!!!

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[tlranger]

Nice!! ^^^ little off road, but I bet it makes cold pizza more enjoyable. Might try it first

[Shovelhandle]

Most of the plants have stopped producing pistils but I've yet to see ripe, opaque trichomes. Most of the leaves are dried up and yellowing. The earlier plants to start ripening are on water only. The other plants got a feeding recently but that may be the last feeding for any of them unless the one plant still flowering continues to do so.
I've taken a lower bud that was broken from the stem and it is very potent! When I broke it open it was shimmering white crystals. I do want to harvest one plant early (mostly clear) and the rest a couple at a time. Just waiting to see some trics cloud up.

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Truly mouth watering Shovelhandle....That one bud even has a little blue bow on it....for me? ;)
Those are some beauties! My little stumpy plants have size "envy".

[tlranger]

Looking very very nice, staggered harvest - your always thinking!!