Dogs & Cancer

[hottrageous]

I have been reading a lot about Rick Simpson oil. Would it work with tumors in dogs?

[Weezard]

Yes.

[hottrageous]

That's encouraging. How much would you give & how would the dogs react by in jesting mj?

[Esteban1]

Don't know much a Rick Simpson oil (only what I've read) but weezard will surely clue you in on the positive effects. I do know that cannabis gave my cat an extra 2 years of life when the vet told me to take him home to die! Peace


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[Weezard]

What kind of tumor?
What size dog?
And how old?
Does it have any other problems?

The more information you provide the better the quality of advice you will receive.

Aloha,
Weezard

[hottrageous]

My friends dog is a Jack Russell. He's fat, probably around 25 lbs. He has tumors. Don't know what kind. He's 11-12. No other problems.
Esteban: how did you treat your cat if you didn't use the oil?
I have many dog/cat/horse owner friends that need to know that this may work to help save their animals.

[Weezard]

"probably around 25 lbs. He has tumors. Don't know what kind. He's 11-12. No other problems."

OK, that's what we needed.
Jacks tend to live fast and die too young but lets give this one a few more years of lovin'.

A 150 - 200 pound adult human can tolerate 1 gram of good oil per day.
So, just scale it down.
Start with just a dab and increase it to 1/8th, (125mg.) per day.

Not all buds are equal, and not all extractions have the same concentration, so not all oil is equal.

If the dog fall over or appears distressed, back off a little, then increase more gradually.
Medicine does not have to be unpleasant to be effective.
If he's just a little wobbly when walking, but bright eyed and responsive, you've got it just right.

If the tumors have breached the skin, apply the oil directly as well as orally.
This is a case where you can allow him to lick the lesion, because that activity is healing, and self-limiting.
Mast cell tumors respond quite rapidly, I have no experience with other types.

If his tumors are benign, results are usually less dramatic, but still obvious.

Here's where you can do a solid for dog lovers everywhere.
Start taking pictures, lots of pictures.
Lay a dime, or a quarter next to each visible mass for size comparison.
Then post the sequence of photos here, and elsewhere.
You can tell people about this all day, but, when they see the actual tumor shrinkage, it gets their full attention.

Aloha, and good luck little dog.

Weezard

[Esteban1]

Medicated him using vaporizer. This will help the animal with appetite as well as anxiety. You may administer directly using the "whip" or indirectly by vaping & exhaling in the animals general direction. Peace


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[Weezard]

Can't be beat for anxiety.
However, tumors require a much higher blood level than one can obtain by vaping.

I had a stoner cat that lived 21 years.
She begged, no demanded, her share whenever I brought out the rolling tray.
Would grab my hand and yank it if I tried to twist one up without paying the cat tax.
Gave her a bud and we were allowed to proceed.

This amused my dealer so, that he started bringing her little pro-bono bags of weed.
There's always some cosmetically challenged shake by the end of a run, so he'd bag and tag with her name on it.
My cat loved dat guy.
Then my grower friend brought her a pound of sugar leaf trim.
A very happy cat indeed!

I suggest that you offer that dog raw, or butter-fried buds first.
Could save a lot of hassle, making oil.

Aloha,
Weeze

[tlranger]

My pup is a worker around the trim room, keeps the floor picked up. Just yesterday a bag with three oz disappeared from trim table here, later found the dogs laying in yard bag between the three of them. Like a darn chec and chog movie.

[hottrageous]

Thank you, thank you. You are indeed a Weezard. If I can help this Jack Russell i will be so happy. He is a wonderful dog.
Your cat story was a riot.

[dananeal]

Through several studies it has been found that Rick Simpson is medically active in the healing powers of Cancer. It is also been seen that the oil rejuvenates vital organs and treated people feel younger after getting treatment.

[Esteban1]

Some Cannabis studies have been shown to Prevent Cancer! Unrelated but should check out some of the ongoing studies being performed in Israel. Peace


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[Gizzy]

My Pomeranian was just diagnosed with a brain tumor. He weighs 5 pounds and were told that all they could do for him was to put him on prednisone. Do you think the oil can help him and what dose would you recommend? Have you heard of tumors shrinking with this oil? I am desperate and willing to try anything to help him.

[Weezard]

My Pomeranian was just diagnosed with a brain tumor. He weighs 5 pounds and were told that all they could do for him was to put him on prednisone. Do you think the oil can help him and what dose would you recommend? Have you heard of tumors shrinking with this oil? I am desperate and willing to try anything to help him.

Avoid the Prednisone if you can, it is symptomatic treatment only, and will compromise the dog's immune system by shutting down production of white blood cells.
If there are no seizures from swelling pass on the prednisone .

Yes, I do think the oil could help.
It does shrink tumors and hinder metastasis.
My dear friend has been taking it for a year and a half for a brain tumor where avg. survival is 6 months.
It has slowed my prostate cancer enough to give me 7 healthy years so far and I can expect another 12 at the present rate of growth.

As for dosage.
It's best to err on the side of caution.
Over medicating is just as un-fun for a dog as it is for a human.

(The dog does not have the comfort of knowing why it feels that way and that it's temporary.)

So, A 200 pound male has to work his way up to a gram per day.
Your pup weighs 1/40th as much.
I'd start with 4 or 5 mg. every 8 hours and slowly increase it to 9 or 10 mg.

How to measure?
Well, you could take a gram of RSO and mix it with ~80 grams of butter.
Then start with one gram of butter in 3 divided doses per day and work your way up to 2 grams as the dog tolerates it.
So, 2 grams of oil should provide a full course of treatment for such a wee beastie.

Disclaimer:
I'm not a doctor, not even a veterinarian.
I'm just some guy on the internet, but I do believe that RSO will help your pup.
Bottom line?
It won't do any damage.
That, is a fact!
Please keep us posted on the progress

Aloha,
Weezard

[hottrageous]

I feel for you. Please listen to Weezard. What can it hurt? I've read that it takes around 3 months to show a difference in tumor growth. Please put him on the oil & retest (I'm assuming an x-ray showed the tumor) in 3 months. Please, please keep us posted as this information may help other animal lovers.

[hottrageous]

Thanks for your input Weezard. Vets, like doctors don't know everything, nor are a lot of them open to suggestions. A few times I have cured my own dogs/horses with an off the wall treatment that my vet thought was ridiculous, but it worked, so the hell with them.

[Gizzy]

Thank you! I'm going to stop the prednisone and try this. I hope it helps him and will keep you posted. Have you heard back from the guy with the Jack Russell?

[Weezard]

Be very careful with the Prednisone.
It must be tapered down over time.
If you just stop cold, it could trigger psychosis.

It's the best thing that medicine has for swelling, inflammation and autoimmune reactions.
But it is serious medication and can do damage if misapplied.
Follow the directions for tapering off the Prednisone while you taper up the oil.

@Hotrageous
We would really like to hear from the Jack Russel owners.
It has been long enough to show some tumor shrinkage.

Aloha,
Weeze

[hottrageous]

Yes, you need to wean the dog off prednisone. Decrease every day. There are major problems if you don't. I know from experience.
Regarding the Jack Russell. The vet has not determined that his tumors are cancer. If he were my dog, he would be getting the oil now, but I can't force the owner. I don't think she has done anything yet. How dumb.
My first crop will be ready to chop down shortly. The first thing I'm going to do is make myself some oil. That's how much I believe in it. I don't have any problems except minor aches & pains, but I don't want any either. Hopefully the oil will help.

[Gizzy]

Hi Weezard, thanks for the recommendation above. I have a few more questions before I start my dog on the oil.
1. I have not been able to find RSO in my local clubs. I do have access to these types [Amber Oil-Jack Herer (S/I) 70.5% THC, 6.10% CBD] [Amber Oil-Green Cush(S/I) 71.6% THC, 5.30%CBD] and lastly [Amber Oil-Black&Purple (I/S) 80.8% THC, 2.10% CBD] which of these 3 would be equivalent to the RSO in your opinion.
2. You recommend mixing it with butter, is there a reason why butter is the preferred mixing ingredient? How would we mix it?
3. You stated one gram of butter in 3 divided doses per day. Would spreading the 1 gram pre-mixed butter/oil on a piece of chicken 3x per day do the trick?
4. In summary a full course of treatment would consist of 160 grams of butter and 2 grams of oil. Would you recommend a certain brand of butter and would the 3 oil options I listed above be ok or should I look into getting the actual RSO for treatment. Thanks again for your help.

[Weezard]

Hi Weezard, thanks for the recommendation above. I have a few more questions before I start my dog on the oil.
1. I have not been able to find RSO in my local clubs. I do have access to these types [Amber Oil-Jack Herer (S/I) 70.5% THC, 6.10% CBD] [Amber Oil-Green Cush(S/I) 71.6% THC, 5.30%CBD] and lastly [Amber Oil-Black&Purple (I/S) 80.8% THC, 2.10% CBD] which of these 3 would be equivalent to the RSO in your opinion.

Of those three, I'd try the one with the highest CBD:THC ratio.

2. You recommend mixing it with butter, is there a reason why butter is the preferred mixing ingredient? How would we mix it?

Two reasons.
1. Butter is a suitable solvent.
2. Most dogs will happily eat butter.
Just warm it and stir it, then pop it in the fridge.
Then cut it into bite size cubes and serve with meals

3. You stated one gram of butter in 3 divided doses per day. Would spreading the 1 gram pre-mixed butter/oil on a piece of chicken 3x per day do the trick?

Yes, but you can probably hold the chicken.
Most dogs like butter and will usually lick it from a dish.

4. In summary a full course of treatment would consist of 160 grams of butter and 2 grams of oil. Would you recommend a certain brand of butter and would the 3 oil options I listed above be ok or should I look into getting the actual RSO for treatment. Thanks again for your help.

What brand?
Ask the dog if it has a preference. :)
Seriously, butter is butter, we are only using it to make dosage titration managable.

Personally, I would try to find , or make, RSO from the original recipe.
The club oil might be just fine IDK.
There is a test.
If you, or a friend have a new or suspicious looking mole, goop it up with oil and put a bandaid over it.
Change it daily for a week or two.
If nothing happens, keep looking for RSO.
If it shrinks and/or sloughs off, you are good to go.

I just removed a very annoying skin growth with oil, can not even find a scar.

'zat help?

Aloha,
Weeze

[crystaliscious]

I make a tincture- similar to green dragon but with my own adjustments, I apply it to a spot on my arm and it has almost gone away over a 2 month period. I apply it 2 times a day and leave it open for air dry. It gets ugly red, peels, looks good for a few day and repeats, ugly red, peels and looks better until when we are in the almost better change we are looking at a lesion that is much smaller and barely pink rather than red.
I also share this with my merlin- my avatar pic....he likes it...I squirt a little on my finger and he licks it off- he isn't sick but he likes it.
Thanks for the info Weezard! I will file it away for the future!

[crystaliscious]

One more thing- I know we are discussing cannabis as cure, but I also work within the etheric body of people and animals. Sttones and crystals and tones are very good tools to manipulate this energy body on both humans and animals.
Crystals that are beneficial for dogs that are ill are Selenite ( water soluable, do not get wet), green calcite and bloodstone. by putting these stones in the dogs resting place it actually adds a vibration that requires the dog's energetic vibration to start to raise, as this happens the dis-ease starts to fall away into the background. Much easier to work with animals rather than humans who resist change and have firm beliefs.
Tones that work on dogs well are 396 hz and 417 hz. These should be done with weighted tuning forks and the tip of the tuning fork applied to the dogs third eye- in the area between the eyes. weighted are used because unweighted hurts the ears of the dog.These tones encourage the dog to return to it's natural homestasis- because animals rarely get ill without human involvement.
Crystal for sick cats- Selenite ( water soluable- do not get wet), green kyanite and Ruby. Placing these stones around where the cat sleeps or eats will help the cat to remember the 'greenman' energy for which cats are reknown for across the world. The energy of being independant of the influence of others. CAts need this to remain in a healthful state of homestasis.
Tones that help cats are in the 528 hz and 892 hz. These can be applied at the top of the head for a cat with weighted tuning forks, again the sound bothers the ears.
If you implement these crystals you will notice that your animals love them and will tell you what they want and how they want your help with them. I had a best friend for 19 yrs. that took her last breath curled around a very large quartz crystal and remains there in that stone to this day. Animals love crystals, they are part of the natural world that we have removed them from and help them remember what and who they really are.
Peace!

Oh p.s. as absolutely crazy as this may seem- attract as many frogs to the yard of sick animal as you can - the chirping that they do is mother natures natural medicine....

[hottrageous]

Thought this may be of interest.

Seen At 11: Medical Marijuana For Your Furry Friends
Some Pet Owners Have Looked To Cannabis To Treat Their Sick Pets

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — When it comes to sick pets many owners will go to great lengths to help them feel better.
Now, some have started to take matters into their own hands and have turned to a remedy that isn’t even legal in some states, CBS 2′s Maurice Dubois reported Friday.
Rowyn Capers’ dog, “Luna,” was suffering from late-stage lymphoma and was put on an intense schedule of chemotherapy. The treatments came with devastating side effects.
“Her lymph nodes were like golf balls and she was coughing constantly and she couldn’t breath and I just thought it’s time to say goodbye,” Capers said.
Capers gave Luna medical marijuana to help ease her suffering.
“The first time I dosed her I was so scared. We were looking at her all night,” Capers said, “The more I increased her cannabis dose the less side effects that she had. The vomiting stopped, the diarrhea stopped.”
The cannabis came in the form of a concentrated oil in a capsule. Capers said the results have been remarkable.
“When you see them enjoying life and feeling better and not being sick you know you’ve hit something,” she said.
Certified animal behaviorist Darlene Arden is a strong advocate for the use of medical marijuana on pets. She called cannabis a “legitimate medication.”
“I think we can now see marijuana for exactly what it is and what it can do. Not a street drug but a legitimate medication to be used under proper supervision,” she said.

The ASPCA disagrees.
“We don’t have enough data to know how it can be used effectively and we currently have a lot of really good modalities to treat pain using multiple different drugs and therapies,” Dr. Amy Greenbaum said.

However, some dog owners feel that cannabis may be a safer option.
“I don’t want to bash the drugs, but you take some of these pain medications for the dogs and you hear, ‘we’ll have to check the blood level and make sure their liver is OK,’” Mary Lynn Mathre said.
When Mathre’s 13-year-old golden retriever was diagnosed with cancer she administered a daily dose of cannabis to all of her pets.
“Normally for the dogs for the cancer it seems that butter made from the remnants of the cannabis plant, the leaves from the plant, and put it on a cracker and every evening they get their cannabis cracker,” she said.
Mathre said that the cannabis helped with the cancer and was also effective in treating a hot spot on another dog’s leg.
“There was no hair on a circle that it would lick and lick,” Mathre explained.
Al Byrne said he tried it on his dogs as well and was impressed with the results.
“I’ve seen all three of our dogs, they range in age from 13 to 3, remarkably improve,” he said. “I would say the energy is up. Certainly their coat and their shine in their eyes is there.”
Until there is a formal study on the effectiveness of medical marijuana on pets, experts advise caution.
“The one thing more heartbreaking than watching your pet suffer would be to know that maybe you gave your pet something that made them worse or killed them, and that’s just not a risk that I would be willing to take,” Dr. Greenbaum said.
The cannabis given to pets is treated and administered in a way that does not make them high, Dubois reported.

[hottrageous]

Do we have an update from Gizzy on her Pom?

[PuffPuffPassDragon]

Hey All,

I've been blessed with 3 dogs (1 male Akita-Michelangelo, 1 male Mini-Australian Shepherd-Davinci, and 1 female Mini-Australian Shepherd-Gabriella) and Davinci gets super anxious when we are out and about in a new area where he just starts barking uncontrollably and pulling at his leash and freaking out. When he is home he is totally fine and is a total love bug. He travels super well unlike Gabi who is just now getting over car sickness.

Michelangelo is 5 years old and weighs 141lbs and is very healthy
Davinci is just over 1 year old and weighs 30lbs and is very healthy
Gabi the lil porker is 9 months old and weights 17lbs and is also very healthy

None have allergies and eat a diet of 50/50 Acana/Blue.

I am curious in how to go about medicating Davinci for his anxiety which at times makes him act totally neurotic.

Thanks in advance,
PPP~Dragon

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[hottrageous]

How often does he get to go to new places? How much training does he have? I think I'd work on driving him all over the place & introducing him to new places & work on obedience training before I started to medicate him. Make him heel & sit when he freaks out. Save the medication for when he really needs it.

[PuffPuffPassDragon]

Morning Hotrageous,

Davinci has been through Puppy Kindergarten and Puppy Elementary school and is very well behaved around the house and we did the 100 ppl and 100 dogs in the first 100 days he was with us. We socialized him very well and this new onset anxiety is just that, fairly new. When we are walking trails, if I stop he sits and waits. He is actually really well behaved. We've contemplated Cesar Milan even though he is a negative reinforcement practitioner and all of our training has been positive reinforcement.

PPP~Dragon

Here is a photo of Davinci and I headed to Trader Joe's when he was a little puppy.
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Here is a photo of Davinci at a local dog park
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[PuffPuffPassDragon]

Here are some photos of Davinci at day-care and he is ok there.

PPP~Dragon

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[hottrageous]

Interesting. Do you know what started this sudden behavior? Sounds like something did. Is he alone when he has these spaz attracts? Are your other dogs with him when he does it? Cesar Milan always says that a lot of problems stem from lack of exercise.

[PuffPuffPassDragon]

It started when my gf was walking him around a local spot. She said he went totally bonkers. We are thinking it might be his desire to protect us as he seems to lunge towards other dogs that irk him. The dogs he dislikes are big, small, male, female, puppy, mature and of varying colors. We've been trying to flow-chart the predisposing factors that lead to anxious outbursts. He is fine when I have friends come over with their dogs and he is fine at day-care. My dogs run to the point of exhaustion daily. Matter of fact, I'll snag a photo of Gabi laying down to drink water from a chase/keep-away session with her bigger brothers. I can be out walking to a local shop to pick up some wine with just Davinci and myself to walking all three and he will go bonkers and this in turn does aggravate Michelangelo and Gabi amping them up too.

I am perplexed to say the least but love him dearly. We just chalk it up to his one flaw as all of our dogs have one.

PPP~Dragon

[hottrageous]

Boy, I don't know. It sure seems that something happened to scare him that first time when your gf walked him. I would keep taking him back to that same spot & making him sit/stay. I don't think it has anything to do with trying to protect you. Have you tried a Gentle Leader collar? It's like a horse halter for dogs. They are terrific. No more chocking them around the neck. For some reason dogs behave much better wearing one. You are controlling their head, & where their head goes, their body follows. Caesar uses them once in a while. I urge you to try it.

[PuffPuffPassDragon]

Hey Hotrageous,

Merry Belated X-mas.

Davinci does wear a gentle leader and it does help. He doesn't get frantic in just one spot now and we are trying to deduce what are the precipitating factors to no avail.

PPP~Dragon

[hottrageous]

Wonderful. You are making progress. The gentle leader is a hell of a contraption. Keep him thinking about something else when you get to that one spot. Make sure you don't pull on the gentle leader, you need to jerk it to keep his attention. Keep me posted.

[hottrageous]

I found this on another web site.
Cannabis Saved My Dog

Nine years ago, I met my best friend…a spaniel/shepherd/lab mix full of energy. Over the years, through my own personal struggles, Dozer has never left my side. Like a guardian angel, my canine companion has served as pet, protector, and hiking buddy. In short, Dozer is my world.

Two years ago, Dozer had noticeably slowed down. It was as if my playful little puppy had turned into a haggardly old man. After his annual examination with our family veterinarian, we learned that Dozer was afflicted with cancerous tumors – a not so uncommon but potentially fatal disease. Dozer’s human mother, herself a physician, recognized the lumps and the ordeal we were all about to endure.

Having a personal interest in holistic and traditional medicines myself, however, I have always believed that dogs – much like their wolf ancestors – respond better to organic herbs. Using some of my personal supply of cannabis oil, I gave Dozer about one gram per day. About two weeks later, his tumors were noticeably smaller and 40 days later gone.

Those who only believe in “traditional medicine” are being fooled by the pharmaceutical companies – both for humans and pets. And to think the government that I fought for is trying to keep this miracle medicine away from my mutt in her dying days…I am angered and ashamed. So yes, marijuana saved Dozer’s life and put some pep back in his step.

[Stargazer2014]

Yes.

My dog was diagnosed with a brain tumor in Dec of 2013 a week after having an emergency bladder stone removal. I had been telling the vets that he had been stumbling. Stopped jumping up on the bed in the morning to give me kisses. I was told he probably has arthritis. Irritating.
Had an MRI done in early Dec at a college and they found a tumor near his cerebellum and the fluid around the tumor presses on his spinal cord with causes the tripping and not falling. The only thing that have me giving him is prednisone. He eats, drinks and lets me know he has to go outside.
The last couple of days he has been pacing. Falling more also. Today seems to be one of his worst days so far.
I have someone who is making some cannabis oil and coconut oil for him. What is your opinion? I feel at this point I don't have anything to lose. They can't operate. I tried to get this oil a month and half ago but no luck. Will this help him? He was 42 pounds when we began this. He must weight closer to 50 now. He has been eating and drinking like crazy until yesterday. I will have it tomorrow but I don't know how much to give him. I appreciate any suggestions. Thank you CJ

[Stargazer2014]

This story gives me hope.

[hottrageous]

I am so sorry. I feel your pain. Please read what weezard wrote on page 1 of this thread. He gave directions on how to use the RSO. It can't hurt to try it, i wish you had started months ago. Please keep us posted. God bless & give him a kiss for me.