Drug test on Monday. Smoked my last bowl 2 days ago. Already a faint line hometest.

[Windrider904]

I just got informed I will be getting a job and I'll be drug tested on Monday. I currently smoke(d) about 2-4 small vaporizer bowls a day (Maximum of 3.5g's every 7days). I weigh 130 and I'm 5'9, so kinda small, I also have an extremely good metabolism thanks to my screwed up stomach with IBM and Lactose Intolerance.

I've been following this guide for the past 2 days and constantly drinking water. I've been drinking the detox drink from the guide once a day.
Guide: Pass Test - Imgur (http://imgur.com/a/GmuD4)

The guide says to do exercise and wait 72 hours after last smoke, but I have plenty of test so I used one today.

Anyways, I woke up today, made my detox drink. Teaspoon of Creatine Monohydrate ( 5000mg ), 1000mg of dandelion root, 100mg of vitamine B-2, 1000mg of milk thistle all mixed in with about 20OZ of water ( by the way tasted like complete shit hard time chugging ). Waited 15 min after that and drunk another 16Oz bottle of water. I might add within the past 2 days I've probably taken 10 + shits, that milk thistle is a small laxative. So after a hour and 30 minutes ( guide says thats best time) I took my home drug test and this is the result.

ImageBam (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f35e86267029835)

I'm not sure if I'm seeing things because I want to see it, but I can clearly see a very feint line next to the T's. I searched online and apparently feint or not, it's still a line. But like I said, I might be seeing stuff or something.

It's still extremely early ( only 48 hours after my last bowl) and I have only went to the gym once ( which was today AFTER my last test, ran for 3 miles). Friday I will do another double dosage of detox and take another test. Will post here with results.

I'm going to a concert tomorrow which my friends will smoke plenty before hand but I won't, I've read online it's pretty much impossible to get THC in your body with second hand so I'm not that afraid.

Anyways, I have Quickfix incase of a back-up, but I much rather try and get clean considering I have a weeks warning, it's worth a shot.

[Burnt Toast]

That guide is bunk and offers uninformed folks a false sense of security in thinking that the detox drink will actually rid the body of THC.

Besides, any articles and sources that label THC a "toxin" should be taken with a box of salt. THC is non-toxic, therefore it is erroneous to categorize THC as a "toxin".

ALL detox drinks work via the principle of dilution. That means they "work" because of the water that youre required by the instructions to drink with them. They do not rid the body of THC, as the peddlers and shills would like the consumer to believe. The only thing thats being accomplished is the diluting of the THCA concentration that is present in the bladder. This is the reason why a person can test negative on an assay after drinking copius amounts of fluids.
The effects of diluting, however, are only temporary - once the fluids ingested had all been voided out, the bladder is replenished with fresh THCA-laden urine and thus the donor is right back to square one.

You can duplicate the actions of those detox potions at a fraction of cost by following the steps outlined in N2's Dilution "sticky" thread.

[Windrider904]

That guide is bunk and offers uninformed folks a false sense of security in thinking that the detox drink will actually rid the body of THC.

ALL detox drinks work via the principle of dilution. That means they "work" because of the water that youre required by the instructions to drink with them. They do not rid the body of THC, as the peddlers and shills would like the consumer to believe. The only thing thats being accomplished is the diluting of the THCA concentration that is present in the bladder. The effects of diluting, however, are only temporary - once the fluids ingested had all been voided out, the bladder is replenished with fresh THCA-laden urine and thus the donor is right back to square one.

You can duplicate the actions of those detox potions at a fraction of cost by following the steps outlined in N2's Dilution "sticky" thread.

Did you read the full guide? It clearly says Detox drinks are a waste of money and shows how to create your own. The guide also says to drink the drink 1 Hour 30 minutes BEFORE the test, meaning it's job is to Dilute, but also keep up the creatinine level and color ( It doesn't say not even once that the drink will clear your system, actually right at the beginning of the guide it states the "natural" time for THC to stay in the system. Honestly, the guide in the sticky is pretty much the exactly same thing, they both are made to dilute your urine within a small amount of time before the test. I find no differences in both of the guides other then the one I posted has tons of more information in related to what NOT to do and what to do days ahead of time to increase your chances.

[Burnt Toast]

Honestly, the guide in the sticky is pretty much the exactly same thing, they both are made to dilute your urine within a small amount of time before the test. If the detox drinks were indeed made to dilute, then there would be no use for such ingredients as dandelion, milk thistles, Alfalfa, etc. - none of which has any effect on THC and none that have been conclusively proven to bolster the effectiveness of dilution.

And if the detox potions were made to indeed dilute, there would not be so many erroneous references such as "flush" and "cleans out your system" being tossed around in that guide like a baseball in a bullpen. Theres a big difference between "diluting" and "flushing"/"cleaning out your system". Around these parts "A" means "A" and "B" means "B".

Sure the detox potion guide brags left and right about containing creatine. What the guide fails to tell you is that it takes the body 2-3 days for the body to convert creatine into creatinine. Creatinine is what is present in the urine and tested by the labs to determine dilution. Therefore any creatine-loading on the day of the U/A is useless.

[Windrider904]

If the detox drinks were indeed made to dilute, then there would be no use for such ingredients as dandelion, milk thistles, Alfalfa, etc. - none of which has any effect on THC and none that have been conclusively proven to bolster the effectiveness of dilution.

And if the detox potions were made to indeed dilute, there would not be so many erroneous references such as "flush" and "cleans out your system" being tossed around in that guide like a baseball in a bullpen. Theres a big difference between "diluting" and "flushing"/"cleaning out your system". Around these parts "A" means "A" and "B" means "B".

Sure the detox potion guide brags left and right about containing creatine. What the guide fails to tell you is that it takes the body 2-3 days for the body to convert creatine into creatinine. Creatinine is what is present in the urine and tested by the labs to determine dilution. Therefore any creatine-loading on the day of the U/A is useless.

Very good points made. I've done some research on the herbs themselves and although like you said, I didn't find any scientific evidence that they remove THC from the system, I found many cases in which people used these herbs WITH there dilution methods and passed, whether or not the herbs played in part in it, I'll never know.

As for the flushing/cleaning out the system, I completely agree, clearly he made some errors in labeling many thing correctly.

I didn't know that about the creatine not showing up in urine till days after, but in any case, I have been using a daily amount each day till today and will be up to the test, so thankfully that won't play a part.

Anyways, I decide to read up on the sticky about tips with the synthitec urine. After reading, I heated up my Quickfix for 13 seconds and placed it inside my underwear( 3 pairs to keep it tight) I went on the computer and checked the temp after an hour and it was steady at 94 degrees WITHOUT the heatpad.

After seeing how easy that can be, I have decided I will continue with staying clean, exercising, drinking tons of water for the next 6 days. Come test day I will test my urine WITHOUT any dilution method, if it's showing positive for THC then I will follow the guides to dilute my urine, BUT I will bring the Quickfix with me and in there if it's showing a good temp I will use it.

Although I have no doubt the diluting methods can work and even a faint line on my test within 48 hours kinda proves it, I still feel much safer if I can easily just use the Quickfix and know 100% sure I got the job ( I would be devastated if I failed with a dilution method when I have a bottle of Quickfix in my hand). Thanks again on the replies and information :)

[Burnt Toast]

After seeing how easy that can be, I have decided I will continue with staying clean, exercising, drinking tons of water for the next 6 days. Drinking water is only helpful on the day of the U/A. Drinking "tons of water" in the days before a U/A is of no help. THC is fat soluble, not water soluble. You can't flood your body with water or fluids and clean it out like you would pressure wash your driveway. The rate at which THC metabolites are eliminated in urine is governed by your kidneys' Glomerular Filtration Rate (GFR). Once properly hydrated, you cannot increase the GFR by increasing fluid intake. If you keep drinking and drinking fluids and your body didn't regulate itself, you would die. To control this, your kidneys will pull water from the bloodstream and eliminate it to make up for the excess fluids you are drinking. During this whole process, you will not make your kidneys work better because you are taking in excess fluids and going to the bathroom more often. You did not increase how effective your kidneys are eliminating THC metabolites from the bloodstream. All you did was increase the amount of water in your urine.

When you drink a lot of fluids on the day of the test, this is know as the dilution method. You are not passing the test because you cleaned your body of THC metabolites. What you have done is you have decreased the concentration of THC metabolites in the urine by increasing water. Just like adding paint thinner to paint - the concentration is reduced but paint is still there. As Ive previously pointed out, the dilution phenomena is only temporary. Once youve urinated out the water that have been consumed, the bladder is replenished with fresh THCA-laden urine by the kidneys - back to square one.

Exercising can be detrimental if a person has 3 days or less before the scheduled U/A. Exercise burns fat cells. When a fat cell burns, the stored THC metabolites are released back into the bloodstream, filtered by the kidneys, and deposited into the bladder for the eventual exit. Therefore, if a person is failing home tests (with the first urination of the day) and the scheduled U/A is 3 days away, then all exercise should be curtailed and the donor be as dormant as possible until after the U/A. That way the donor wont be releasing a bunch of THCA back into the bloodstream, which will end up in the urine to be detected.

[Windrider904]

Drinking water is only helpful on the day of the U/A. Drinking "tons of water" in the days before a U/A is of no help. THC is fat soluble, not water soluble. You can't flood your body with water or fluids and clean it out like you would pressure wash your driveway. The rate at which THC metabolites are eliminated in urine is governed by your kidneys' Glomerular Filtration Rate (GFR). Once properly hydrated, you cannot increase the GFR by increasing fluid intake. If you keep drinking and drinking fluids and your body didn't regulate itself, you would die. To control this, your kidneys will pull water from the bloodstream and eliminate it to make up for the excess fluids you are drinking. During this whole process, you will not make your kidneys work better because you are taking in excess fluids and going to the bathroom more often. You did not increase how effective your kidneys are eliminating THC metabolites from the bloodstream. All you did was increase the amount of water in your urine.

When you drink a lot of fluids on the day of the test, this is know as the dilution method. You are not passing the test because you cleaned your body of THC metabolites. What you have done is you have decreased the concentration of THC metabolites in the urine by increasing water. Just like adding paint thinner to paint - the concentration is reduced but paint is still there. As Ive previously pointed out, the dilution phenomena is only temporary. Once youve urinated out the water that have been consumed, the bladder is replenished with fresh THCA-laden urine by the kidneys - back to square one.

Exercising can be detrimental if a person has 3 days or less before the scheduled U/A. Exercise burns fat cells. When a fat cell burns, the stored THC metabolites are released back into the bloodstream, filtered by the kidneys, and deposited into the bladder for the eventual exit. Therefore, if a person is failing home tests (with the first urination of the day) and the scheduled U/A is 3 days away, then all exercise should be curtailed and the donor be as dormant as possible until after the U/A. That way the donor wont be releasing a bunch of THCA back into the bloodstream, which will end up in the urine to be detected.

I see I see, so drinking water (before test day) is completely useless to get the THC out, that's helpfull to know. Also considering test is Monday, I will stop the exercise after Friday.

Also, I see no point in taking home test with the first urin of the day if you are going to dilute for the test anyway, to me it's a complete waste of a test considering the only way you can pass that one is if the THC is below 50ng in your body. The better idea would to dilute then take the hometest considering that's how you will take the real test. The only reason I will take a test with my first urine of the day ( on the day of the test ) is to see if I don't have to waste my Quickfix. I still am going to dilute on test day and take a home test, line or no line I will still bring my Quickfix and use that if I do everything correctly and it's at a correct temp when I check it at the testing office.

[Burnt Toast]

I see no point in taking home test with the first urin of the day if you are going to dilute for the test anyway, to me it's a complete waste of a test considering the only way you can pass that one is if the THC is below 50ng in your body. The better idea would to dilute then take the hometest considering that's how you will take the real test.That would be a better idea - if the human body was some kind of electronic machine operating on fixed settings. But the human body is not this (and thank god for that - its good to be a human being!). THCA concentrations, fluid volume, and urination sessions fluctuate daily. Just because a person had diluted and passed a U/A on Tuesday 4pm does not necessarily mean that the person will dilute and pass on Wednesday 5pm.

By using the first void, you are testing yourself when THCA concentrations would be at their highest and had not been affected by any fluid consumption prior (aka the "worst-case scenario"). And if the home tests consistently show a negative under that "worst-case scenario" (regardless of line intensity), youre good to go.

[Windrider904]

By using the first void, you are testing yourself when THCA concentrations would be at their highest and had not been affected by any fluid consumption prior (aka the "worst-case scenario"). And if the home tests consistently show a negative under that "worst-case scenario" (regardless of line intensity), youre good to go.

So in your opinion, do you think the best way to go is for me to use my first void the day of the test, and if I fail that one then go ahead and use my Quickfix?

[Burnt Toast]

So in your opinion, do you think the best way to go is for me to use my first void the day of the test, and if I fail that one then go ahead and use my Quickfix?
Yep, subbing (with synthetic or clean human urine) is the way to go if youre failing home tests with the first void of the day.

[Windrider904]

As promised, here is today's update. After diluting myself and waiting a hour and half I took another test, here is the result.

http://i.imgur.com/0WC0HfG.png

As you can see, the faint line is showing better but still there. I'm happy I am seeing the line while diluted, but the real test will be Monday morning and using my first void of the day. If a faint line shows up, then I will not be needing my Quickfix and apparently it only took 7 days for me to get clean, which is amazing to know for the future, but considering my metabolism and size, I don't think I will be surprised, but then again I smoked every day before stopping. But if my first void shows no line, then I will be using my Quickfix. I'll update you guys on Monday with my first void test, lets hope its a line.

[Windrider904]

Sorry for the extra bump. But, I told you I would update you in a few days, but for shits and giggles I just took another test without any dilution method ( 7 hours after I diluted this morning, so that's easily out of my system) and I've only drunk a few energy drinks( no sleep last night), no water, ate some Burgerking.

Anyways, here is the result.

http://i.imgur.com/oaEjf2V.jpg

What do you guys think? Might be extremely hard to see, but I noticed a VERY VERY faint line. Even in the picture if you look hard enough. But I may be seeing shit. Anyways, if you guys do see a faint line, and that test was with no dilution what so ever, do you think I'm on the right track? I got till Monday and 3 more drug test left. When do you guys suggest I use them ?

[Windrider904]

Quick update today. So, used my diluted method, waited a hour and half and took a test today and this is the result.

http://i.imgur.com/gHLZdDQ.jpg

I'm extremely happy as you can see the line is CLEARLY visible. So, I figured if I can use this method tomorrow and wait a hour and half and if I get the same results with a nice line like today then I should easily be able to instantly drive up there take the test and pass and not worry about using my Quickfix.

What do you guys think? If I get the same results tomorrow before I leave the house to take the real test, should I be worried at all or is this a clear pass?

Quick question though, I took a 100mg B-2 pill about 45 min before I took the test. My pee was a little yellow, but more on the clear side. Should I take it hours before? I also have a 1000mg B-12 pill, should I use that instead? Or even if its a little yellow, it doesn't matter?

[Burnt Toast]

The proper vitamin for "color" is B2 (Riboflavin). But it must be understood that with creatinine and S/G checks being lab SOP in recent years, color became the least aspect in determining an overdiluted urine sample. Samples with a nice yellow color to them can still fall short of the satisfactory ranges for creatinine and S/G. Therefore, when utilizing any dilution techniques, it is now more important than before that the creatinine and S/G shall remain satisfactory.

[Windrider904]

The proper vitamin for "color" is B2 (Riboflavin). But it must be understood that with creatinine and S/G checks being lab SOP in recent years, color became the least aspect in determining an overdiluted urine sample. Samples with a nice yellow color to them can still fall short of the satisfactory ranges for creatinine and S/G. Therefore, when utilizing any dilution techniques, it is now more important than before that the creatinine and S/G shall remain satisfactory.

Alright I appreciate the response. I'm not worried about the others, I've been taking 2500-5000mg of Creatinine Monohydrate a day for the past 7 days, I figure that shouldn't be a problem. I will update this thread after I take my test.

One last question. Lets say I do go take the test using a Diluted method and everything goes well. Will I know if I passed or failed then ? Can I/Should I smoke after I'm finished with the test or wait for the results, but then if I wait, what if they don't call me saying I've passed or failed? I really do want to smoke a bowl after I'm done with the test.

[Burnt Toast]

Lets say I do go take the test using a Diluted method and everything goes well. Will I know if I passed or failed then ? That depends on whether its an on-the-spot test at the collection facility, or if the sample is sent off to a seperate facility for the analysis.

Dont expect any news stating "you passed", thats because a person is expected to be clean.
In the drug testing world, no news usually means good news.

Do you have a 'start date' secured with the employer?

You should hold off any toking until after you get your first paycheck.

Does this new employer have a random testing program?

[Windrider904]

That depends on whether its an on-the-spot test at the collection facility, or if the sample is sent off to a seperate facility for the analysis.

Dont expect any news stating "you passed", thats because a person is expected to be clean.
In the drug testing world, no news usually means good news.

Do you have a 'start date' secured with the employer?

You should hold off any toking until after you get your first paycheck.

Does this new employer have a random testing program?

No, I worked for the company and the manager before for over a year. They do not random drug test, and I never got a call/noticed saying I passed the first time ( I never smoked when I got the job the first time )

[Windrider904]

Damn, alright with my last 3 test all passing while diluted, my first void today without any dilution was a fail. So I have decided I will dilute myself and use the quickfix. If by somereason the quickfix didn't register the correct temp and if they ask me to repee I will gladly do so with my body diluted.

So I'm going to go in with Plan A and Plan B. I haven't got a call yet today, so I'm not even 100% sure if it will be today, but I will update when I do take it. But at the moment it looks like Quickfix is my main option, I mean I did spend $30 on it and this will probably be the only time I'll ever use this bottle, so might as well.

[hickory]

So what was the outcome?