Shov Summer '13 Outdoor

[Shovelhandle]

Plants along a feed corn field in NW Vermont USA.

Strain is Mr Nice European Outdoor, purchased very, very recently. I'm just a little late getting these in but they should do great.

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[Esteban1]

Good for you


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[lipps]

Corn is a heavy N feeder with shallow wide roots. I take a shovel and make a circle around the plant to cut the corn roots so they don't steal all the food...

[Shovelhandle]

that's a good idea, lipps. I have just the tool for that too. :jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

Mr Nice Seeds Outdoor European strain

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[Shovelhandle]

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[built2spill]

Looking Good!

[Shovelhandle]

(5) European Outdoor strain from Mr. Nice Seeds. Next to corn field w/ south exposure.

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NL#5 x Sk #1 from Mr. Nice Seeds. In a shady spot.


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Shit from Mr. Nice Seeds. Also in partial shade.
She lost her top branches last week so I put brush all around her to keep animals from running over it.

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[Esteban1]

Still no flower formation eh?


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[Shovelhandle]

yes, the NLxSk has preflowers

[Esteban1]

Same here with all but still getting that uneasy feeling.


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[tlranger]

Who drives the combine or chopper for the corn won't it beat the plants done.

[Shovelhandle]

Hey, get the fuck off my thread with the negative bullshit, guys. Hermie paranoia, chopper cutting my plants down. I know wtf I'm doing here. JEES!

[Esteban1]

Cannabis is very good for Schizophrenia


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[tlranger]

I like a man with a plan. :thumbsup::greenthumb:

[Shovelhandle]

Just checking the plants and I have one plant that's leaves have thirteen 'fingers'. I've only seen that many once before and never seen more than that. I'll get some photos in a couple of weeks.
Meanwhile, I've fed them once with compost tea a couple of weeks ago and again yesterday with molasses and Age Old Bloom. You want to watch molasses outdoors as it will attract animals that may dig the plant up. I applied the molasses/food uphill from each plant.

[tlranger]

Not to be negative, raccoons like it all, really like fishy/sweet smell.

[Shovelhandle]

they are busy getting into the compost pile. Also I dump used cat litter around the area the plants are growing. That has cut down the 'coon traffic. And the 'coons have been getting cut down pretty good by the truck/car traffic.

[growdemon]

haha, kinda funny.
I had some out side at 1 point. and my stoner possium buddie had a real great time. I came up with a crazy idea that might work...

bubble wrapp, them sharp claws. pop pop pop I would say it may scare the crap out of them. and they run off

[Shovelhandle]

bubblewrap will attract the rednecks, then I'd be shit out of luck and plants.

[Shovelhandle]

I have been keeping an eye on the plants. The Euro outdoor plants, five in a row next to corn has shown three females today, the middle and both end plants. If the other two were males I'd still be grateful. Remember, these barely made it into the ground six weeks ago. The first batch of beans were duds and I had to wait for the replacements. Five, tiny, one week old seedlings out in the rugged outdoors and they are all splendid specimens. One has thirteen sectioned leaves. They all have stunning foliage and are taller and bushier than the two plants with the big head start, the Shit and NL5 x Sk1. Two week photo update in another week. :D

[built2spill]

So I take it you would recommend that Mr Nice European outdoor for a North East grower. Always looking for a good performing strain for next year.

[Shovelhandle]

So I take it you would recommend that Mr Nice European outdoor for a North East grower. Always looking for a good performing strain for next year.

Not yet, I wouldn't. this is my first grow with this strain. I've not seen it grow. I don't know how it finishes. I don't know how it smokes. Stay tuned, I'll complete this grow log thread with grow and smoke reviews. Probably by Thanksgiving we'll have a pretty good idea, if the grow goes to completion. Fingers crossed.

[tlranger]

Dumped degradable cat litter around compost pile, sure deterred raccoons and opossum, but now there's this big Tom cat.

Bet it'll make for a nice holiday, whenever.

[Shovelhandle]

I don't remember if I posted any of the information on their organic diet. I recently ran out of Age Old - Bloom solution so I took the road trip to Green Thumb Hydroponics to get some. Of course while I was there I had to restock what I need for my next indoor grow as well. Grow bags, Plant Success (Mycorrizhae), Excelerite (minerals), Max Crop (kelp), Perlite, AO Bloom, Earth Juice Meta-K (Potash/potassium). I buy Espoma dehydrated manure and Plant-Tone locally. I have an extra large tote of finished compost. So along with the soil I will be reusing that is my recipe for organic indoor growing.

Back on point. I have feed these outdoor plants a compost tea w/molasses twice during veg. I also gave them a dose of cal-mag. Now they are in preflower and they get the Age Old - Bloom. In a few days I'll give them a dose of Earth Juice Meta-K w/molasses. I'll continue with AO Bloom, EJ Meta K and molasses until they are finishing.

Shitty update photographs later this week.

[Shovelhandle]

Carefully checking to day I would a single male flower just ready to open. I removed the bugger and after a good look over found that the single flower was the only one. Good catch!
The last undetermined plant is showing bumps low on the node, characteristic of the male preflower. It's a shame he can't be used. He has that 13 sectioned leaf pattern. But I'm getting out of growing my own crosses (and accidents) (seeds) and go back to growing out more proven strain from good breeders. I bought a gram of these Euro seeds and I'm growing out the first five so I'm good for a while for outdoor.

[built2spill]

It is too bad you can't find a way to use some of that male pollen. Sounds like it has some good characteristics.

[lipps]

I don't remember if I posted any of the information on their organic diet. I recently ran out of Age Old - Bloom solution so I took the road trip to Green Thumb Hydroponics to get some. Of course while I was there I had to restock what I need for my next indoor grow as well. Grow bags, Plant Success (Mycorrizhae), Excelerite (minerals), Max Crop (kelp), Perlite, AO Bloom, Earth Juice Meta-K (Potash/potassium). I buy Espoma dehydrated manure and Plant-Tone locally. I have an extra large tote of finished compost. So along with the soil I will be reusing that is my recipe for organic indoor growing.

Back on point. I have feed these outdoor plants a compost tea w/molasses twice during veg. I also gave them a dose of cal-mag. Now they are in preflower and they get the Age Old - Bloom. In a few days I'll give them a dose of Earth Juice Meta-K w/molasses. I'll continue with AO Bloom, EJ Meta K and molasses until they are finishing.

Shitty update photographs later this week.

No worn castings or glacier dust? Ever use alfalfa meal, Vit C? Check out "Earth Juice" bat guano you won't believe what that stuff does.

[Esteban1]

It is too bad you can't find a way to use some of that male pollen. Sounds like it has some good characteristics.

Fertilizing


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[EvilCartman]

Ever use alfalfa meal,

I'd be wary of using the alfalfa meal, if I were growing on the edge of a cornfield. There is likely a good deal of nitrogen available, already in the soil.
Maybe add a little when making a tea, but that's it. The Triacontanol in the alfalfa meal seems to encourage fox-tailing in flower. Comfrey is a better choice, once flowering begins.
Cannabis is pretty touchy when it comes to too much N in flower, and with the hormones in the alfalfa the fox-tailing could be epic! :eek:

[Shovelhandle]

I use many other ingredients when I blend a soil, including worm castings and bat guano. When I amend used soil I use different amounts and not all the original ingredients. I just showed my shopping list. that's all.

Lipps, I see you offer lots of advice on growing. Thank you. Do you grow anything yourself? Any documentation on your trials and errors or are you just an avid reader? No offense meant, but I do look to see other folks results when I consider using their advice and I see you've not posted any personal grow posts.

[Shovelhandle]

So the Euro Outdoor strain must be about eight weeks old now. I'm still watching one plant (wit the 13 and 14 leaflet leaves) to show sex. One other (far left) I thought was a female but now It appears to be male. Bunches of flowers with no hairs. Another day or two to be sure before I pluck him out.
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[Esteban1]

What is the significance of having many "leaflets"?

[Shovelhandle]

What is the significance of having many "leaflets"?

Something I read in a cannabis grow bible type of book about 40 years ago. Something about the number of leaflets and the number of serrations on the leaflets was called a 'leaf index' and this could indicate quality genetics and general health. I have seen where sick, unhealthy plants do have less leaf index. But I don't know if there is any science in it. I do like extraordinary specimens including leaves. My avatar are leaves I grew in 1970.

[growdemon]

yea kinda cool, reminds me of some old sayings about growing hot peppers. if the pepper stems are curved. watch out they are Hot.

nice corn patch btw..

wow those plants have gotten pretty big.

[Shovelhandle]

update Aug 19
Of the four remaining Euro Outdoor strain There now ermains two females. The brilliant specimen with so much leaf 'character' is broken to bits and pitched in the ditch. :(
I just picked up a fresh gallon of black-strap molasses so I had to start a compost tea. :)

[Esteban1]

Do you use food or agricultural grade molasses? Thanks


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[Shovelhandle]

Agricultural, I get it for free. Of my customers there are animal feed mills and a molasses terminal (picture a fuel tank farm, only molasses). In the kitchen we have organic molasses from the food co-op and Grandma's. I try not to use those, it I can help it.

[Esteban1]

Convenient, I'm stuck with grocery store crap but ordering up agricultural later tonight. Keep up the good work. Peace


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[tlranger]

How where the roasting ears, even with kitty litter, raccoons got all my sweet corn

[Shovelhandle]

Convenient, I'm stuck with grocery store crap but ordering up agricultural later tonight. Keep up the good work. Peace :rastasmoke:

Well, the only thing wrong with food grade unsulfured molasses is the price is too high for feeding to the bugs.


How where the roasting ears, even with kitty litter, raccoons got all my sweet corn

Corn is good, considering it's animal feed corn. I just trimmed 10 corn plants around the two cannabis plants and have the ears to roast later for a corn chowder.
Plenty of coons around though the traffic has taken out many. There is plenty of corn for all, coons, cows, deer. It's quite a large field.

[Shovelhandle]

Another two week update. The flowers are coming in now. Two weeks ago it was difficult to see the single pistils. Last evening I started a batch of compost tea to feed them tomorrow.

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[Shovelhandle]

Here is the NO5 x Sk1 (Shiva Skunk)

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[tlranger]

Looking very nice, like the dark green. Looking like small trees, when do you start tie down?

[Shovelhandle]

thank you.
no tie down. they are crowning natural and actually look very good. The two euro are south facing,tons of sun. The other two are were the same strains were last year. Those places are more stealth but less total daylight. Last season one plant pulled 9 oz of bud product. The other (Shit) got damaged in a storm and didn't make it..

This here Shit was busted off at the top 10". It divided and is ok. It is a scrawny pheno though. Ya never know though. ;)

[tlranger]

Know that SHOVEL has got it covered, but as nice as that ocean of green looks as cover, it can disappear in a single day when the crews move in, did yesterday here

[Shovelhandle]

didn't I tell you to STFU about that one before? I let the last time slide. get a life, tlr. I've been growing here for 14 years. The rippers are what I worry about. They got me many times, the harvester, NEVER!

[Shovelhandle]

didn't I tell you to STFU about that one before? I let the last time slide. get a life, tlr. I've been growing here for 14 years. The rippers are what I worry about. They got me many times, the harvester, NEVER!

umm, I hope tl you can take my straight on bs. It's how some of us talk with our friends, family. So any remark about your comments are serious, but in good friendship. yut.

[tlranger]

No problem, sound just like my brother. Know you have it covered!! Did read your post, kinda a fan but don't get an big head.
Was more talking to newbies and wannabes, your threads are info for the world to see. A fertilized clean field is so inviting, but when l put 1/4lb of seeds in the planter box with the soybeans one year. Paranoia will destroy ya.

They can be Outstanding in the field, and the rippers are THE ________.

[tlranger]

The rippers are what I worry about. They got me many times, the harvester, NEVER![/QUOTE]

Losing cover and being seen were my concern, why I wondered about tie down.

Get a life - kinda thought that trying to give info to people about a plant that I truly believe helped give me a second life is part of my new life

[Shovelhandle]

I don't like to repeat myself, but for you I will.

The corn doesn't get harvested until after the pot comes in 9 times out of 10. The plants will be getting tied over and away from the corn rows now that the painting contractors working on my house are done. The plants are not as close to the corn rows as it appears in the photos. The harvester, should it come early and unannounced (that is most unlikely, I have that covered as well) will not touch the pot plants. I hope this puts an end to this subject. It's not that I don't appreciate your concern but I try to have short grow threads, not ten pages long cluttered with... clutter. I don't care if people ask questions (as long as it isn't the same question over and over, dig?) but I don't mind at all if they don't.

Bye bye, come again!

[Esteban1]

Nice bushy plants ur raising. Do you continue using sugars in flower & if yea how much? Been reading about interesting results. Peace

[Shovelhandle]

yut, in the compost tea. It's made in a 5 gallon batch. A couple of cups of compost, and a pinch of either biotone or Plant Success mycorrizhae and a 5 tablespoons of unsulphured mollasses. The brew is run with air for two days. It is then diluted, 4 cups into two gallons of water and applied to the ground. It can also be applied foliar. I have been using the extra brew for my garden, houseplants and outdoor trees, which I apply around the tree's drip line.

The two Euro plants on the edge of the corn field are now pulled down away from the corn rows. Wife said it looks too obvious/noticeable but a few hours later the branches reach for the sun and the bushes are shorter and not able to be seen from the road. The view from the road was just a slit between trees and bushes that no one could see while driving by but now the elevation is lower and completely out of site. The corn isn't going anywhere until later October.

[Esteban1]

Yut in the tea? Don't know the slang please define, tx

[Shovelhandle]

Just so I can keep log of some of the nutrient feedings I'll try and catch up some here if memory works well.
Early on in veg they got compost tea w/ molasses and Age Old bloom, Plant Success mycos. Two applications. Also they likely got some Espoma composted manure and Espoma Plant-Tone early on.. As the Euros went into teh soil as seedlings they didn't get nothin' for a while, yut? (yut = localese for 'Yes")
Then two applications of compost tea w/molasses and Age Old bloom, Cal-mag and Earth Juice Meta-K and Plant Success.
Yesterday's feeding was Cal-mag, molasses and Earth Juice Meta-K.
Last week I tied them Euros over away from the corn and down, out of sight. The others are very well hidden, same spots as the same strains last year.
Photo update coming this Friday.

[tlranger]

It's so much better when you have a game plan! Do like the stealth.

[lipps]

I had a plant come up in a patch of beans that were growing in a grey water ditch (next year beans are going in my boxes ) I didn't know it was there until the beans started falling over then it just took off, it's in mostly shade under a big oak tree. Humble pie anyone I got some extra.......

[Shovelhandle]

two more weeks. The buds that were barely showing are filling out pretty nicely.

Here's the European Outdoor strain from Mr Nice Seeds. A mysterious hybrid thought to be skunk in heritage. Seven generations of cultivation in Switzerland, about the same latitude as my localization.

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the closer one in the side shot his the frostier, the taller plant (well was before they were tied over) is still very frosty. The other two Mr Nice Seeds strains a were started earlier than these girls. Neither show visible (to my poor eyesight) trichomes, yet.

[Shovelhandle]

This plant is on the west side of a tree. On the left side is the Shit plant.

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Nice complicated stinkage.

[Shovelhandle]

Last year, same location it was destroyed in a wind storm. (see last summer's log)
I grew out a run of SHIT indoors and gifted out clones for a bud to run.

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And this season it's only been broken off twice so far. Shit!

Also complex stinkage, only different

[Esteban1]

The one girlie is a "tree"! Good job

[Shovelhandle]

the euros were over 6' and 5' before I tied them down, they are surprisingly thick. The 'tree' is the Nl5 x Sk1? It does have that xmas tree shape, don't it? They hidin' real goot, yut?

[tlranger]

Yut, very very nice, Love the way place is maintained, is still so green, helps with stealth, tree area is killer, tie down looks good, wish I knew more there(have known some that get additional root growth, along stem).

Question- with current types and different environments, do you have a feel for harvest yet? Thank u, this year seems ??? Around here

[Shovelhandle]

TY, tlr

Mid October should be about right. Another four weeks. The 'expected' time from the breeder of the shit and nl x sk claim September-early October. The Euros expected finish is unknown but they seem to be ahead of the others although they had a late start.

[Esteban1]

Very true indeed. Weather patterns have been outta whack for some time now. Just love the global warming debate lol. A hippie Always 'twas almost believing all of the nonsense put out by heavy libertarians saying that climate change was total nonsense! Almost continued my belief until some top politico idiot said hey, C02 is great for our agriculture & look at the bumper crops over the years.

[Shovelhandle]

Weather has been unpredictable here recently. The weather peeps forecast sunny days every day since last weekend but we have seen more clouds than sun. This evening I found little snails all over the two European plants, feasting away on the leaves. Shit! I thought with the cool nights they were gone for good. I I tried to shake them all off, I trimmed the grass around them and sprayed the area with Safer Insect Soap (the closest thing at hand), I also shook powdered varmint repellant around the area (cinnamon, cumin, clove, capsicum and other pungent spices). Hopefully the sun will come out and keep them away from the plants. I'll take other steps as well, snail traps and bare copper wire wrapped around the stem. They can be a real threat early in the season as they can take out small plants in a matter of hours.

[thenewgrow]

hey man looking great :) im sorry to hear the snails are all over the place .

ps it this a sativa strain ? :)

[Shovelhandle]

thanks, newgro. There are three different strains, four plants. So which plant? It doesn't matter as they are all hybrids, which most varieties. They are not very sativa leaning though, more indica like.

[built2spill]

Wrapping steel wool around the base of the plant acts like barbed wire to slugs and snails. They will not pass over it.

[Shovelhandle]

I've not any steel wool but copper wire does the same. The snails will not cross over it.

[lipps]

Are we there yet?...........:)

[Shovelhandle]

Snails gone today.

[built2spill]

I have heard of the copper wire trick as well. Good to hear it works.

[MDFinest]

This plant is on the west side of a tree. On the left side is the Shit plant.

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Nice complicated stinkage.

That first picture is just beautiful.. Id love to be out there just me and my seeds...

[Shovelhandle]

photos of the two swiss hybrids... a couple of more weeks until harvest window.

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Mr Nice Seeds - Northern Lights #5 x Skunk #1

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[Shovelhandle]

Mr Nice Seeds - Shit
all these strains have great stinky qualities and should be good medicine.

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[catbuds]

Glad the slugs are gone....... but, ah, that corn field looks awfully familiar. Shovel... are you my neighbor?

[Shovelhandle]

Here comes the chopper...fingers crossed no one takes interest in my plants. They will be right out in the open for the trucks that follow the chopper until they are done. They drive up and down right by the two Swiss plants.

[catbuds]

Post often so I know you're ok man. Esteban has been MIA for over a week now & I'm concerned. This time of year is scary. Keep us 'posted'.~~~~~PEACE!~~~~~

[Shovelhandle]

corn chopper, harvest. not the fuzz. Vermont is done with that program this year.

[catbuds]

That's a relief. Still waiting to see a post from Esteban. Ummmm.~~PEACE!~~

[Shovelhandle]

Still a couple of weeks to go, anyway.
Here's the NL#5 x Sk#1

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[catbuds]

Ummm. Second from the top looks good enough to eat. They're gorgeous. Looks like you're gonna have a lot of weight. I assume the others are as resionus as the second one, camera angle/ light angle has a lot to do with trichromes showing up in a pic. I was serious about eating it! I like getting resin between my front teeth & chewing & sucking on it. Yeah, I know its a waste, but I just like the taste & the waxy texture! Weird. ....LOL!

[Shovelhandle]

I do plan on juicing the fresh leaves and trim this time. Mrs. doesn't like me getting into the edibles since I passed on on them last time. (It was a great rush) But the uncooked cannabis has a lot of goodies without the psychoacivity.

[catbuds]

Sounds like she looks out for you. When she comes home from her surgery its your turn. Give her a nice hot cup of chamomile tea (I like cream & sugar in mine) with what ever she will be using for pain (hopefully herb), especially at night. It helps you sleep through the pain. Best combination there ever was, cannabis & chamomile. I grow my own, organically of course. Its cheap, I get it at walmarts for .99 cents when I'm out of my own. Chamomile is a great thing to settle your stomach too, makes it especially helpful to thoes on chemo. I like to add a little spearmint to it for stomach issues. Skin tonic, neither oily or drying, great as an after shower rinse as it helps prevent body odor, & it makes your hair so shiny as a final rinse it looks like spun glass. It tastes great too, not at all nasty like some herbal teas. If you ever decide to grow your own, get the german chamomile, stronger medicinal properties than the english. Its a weed & easy as hell from seed.
--- Don't forget that any leafy material dulls the blades in your juicer a lot quicker than harder substances. If you don't already have a juicer, make sure the one you buy gives you the option of ordering new ones. :)

[Shovelhandle]

yut, good advice from the CatBud.
juicer has replaceable blades.

[Shovelhandle]

...and the cannabis is still there. Amazing, huh?

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[catbuds]

You lucky duck! The Gods must have been looking out for you! How soon till harvest? Looking pretty. I still say that corn field looks awfully familiar! ( they all look alike. LOL)!

[Shovelhandle]

well, there were lots of trucks going in and out by my plants so I took one of the Euros in. I brought in the Shit yesterday so I now have two plants harvested. I thought I'd take a chance with half a crop staying out. The plant I took in yesterday weighs a good 20 #. I put the other Euro plant lower to the ground, it's really not visible unless you go looking for it now.

[growdemon]

definetly amazing. pretty damn cool, maybe they got thier own cash crop somewhere

[Slinger1]

Shovelhandle, Great post. As I am new (this my first year), I enjoyed reading your progression through the growing season with photos and strains included. Nice responses as well. Thanks!

[Shovelhandle]

tks, slinger

here's some photos of my successful outdoor stealth grow, again. :)
two plants left. both knocked down horizontal. NL x Sk.
Check it out. but, don't show up here and check it out...)

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[Shovelhandle]

Again, photos of neighbors and from roadside view... Neighbors are great. We catch up on the news in one of our driveways once every year or two. Except the neighbors I've never met. :cool:
The sun is just on the Euro plant and it is still pretty stealth.

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[EvilCartman]

The sun is just on the Euro plant and it is still pretty stealth.

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That's great, breaking up that tell-tale profile works wonders, eh? The lush green in the foreground helps, too!
What do you use to keep 'em down?

[Shovelhandle]

thank you
if the ground is wet just firmly step on the truck. if it's dry and you can't wet it put down a stake and tie it down a little at a time.

[Shovelhandle]

The weather forecast says cool weather for a few days and cool temps for the foreseeable future. So I took in the remaining Euro and NL x Sk. I have the Shit in jars and the other Euro is limbed and trimmed. The Euro is wicked sticky.

[catbuds]

So all your outdoor is harvested now, am I right? We still haven't had a frost yet. Having foggy nights a lot though. Nice high humidity. Perfect conditions for bud mould for thoes with late budding plants. Dont know why some of the guys around here keep insisting on growing those varities. There's so many nice earlier strains they could go with. I say leave those late varieties to those who live in zones 8-10 & quit stressing every time you hear the word FROST! I'm really curious about your outdoor european, especially now that you're telling us how sticky it is. My outdoor growing conditions are far from perfect. To hide my grow, it has to be out where its partially wooded, gets morning & evening shade with dappled sun mid afternoon. Most of the indicas I grow don't mind going sunless most of the day, as long as the light is bright & they get a little sun. How would the europeans do with that kind of light? Now that the the thieving brothers are in jail, I'm looking for something bigger & beefier than the short bushy indica hybrids I've been going with the last 15 yrs or so. The ones I keep in nursery pots (1-1 1/2gal pots), I can grow in full sun, just hidden among flowers (&spearmint) with similar leaves....but anything I grow big would have to be out under the trees. I think I posted that the brothers stole the last of my seed stock, so since I'll be starting over from scratch, thought I'd try new strains. Since I've already decided my winter indoor strains, now I'm thinking about next springs outdoor grow. Remember I posted I haven't changed my strains in around 25-30 years, so I could use your advice here. Hoping your european will do in partial shade, little sun. What do you think?~~~PEACE!~~~

[Shovelhandle]

This strain came to me with zero information other than it's probably from Skunk. Great, the other two strains I grew this year were 100% skunk and 50/50 skunk and they bear no resemblances to each other. This is the first Euro Outdoor grow for me and I did start them late. I put them in the ground as a couple of day old seedlings and they all made it to maturity (three males, two females). They did get maximum sunlight though. The other two strains got half days of direct sunlight. The Euro looks like they will outweigh the others by quite a bit.

[catbuds]

Ok. The kickass one I bred back in the 80's I kept goin till the thieft I called Big Bertha. She did well even in the woods, bright shade, no direct sun. Here's her genetics.... #1 skunk X northern lights male to big bud. Then a male from that breeding that seemed the most northern lights (to keep it smaller & earlier) bred back to big bud clone. Then from this second generation, I chose a female most like big bud, & the male most like skunk & northern lights. Ok now, this third gen was the hardest to choose. Out of over 100 plants to choose from (yeah, UGH!), I was looking for these traits; the bud size of big bud, size & earliness & heavy trichrome of NL, & the skunkiness of skunk & of course the strong stem. From your own experience, you know I had about 50% throw backs more resembling one of the three, so I collected the pollen from the males that most resembled a more ballanced blend of the three, hand pollenated lower buds of females also of a ballanced blend. Three more gens, & I had a stabilized strain. This shit kicked ass. I got exactly what I was breeding for. A total of 6 yrs to breed, then stabilize, so you know how pissed I was when the thieves got the whole crop & me with NO SEEDS left of all this work. Most of the seeds I had moulded in storage, so I had planted all I had left & was counting on the resulting seeds of that crop. I'd started this in '83 or '84 & that's all I grew untill this summer when the thieves hit me. Damned this is longer than I intended, but the moral to this genetic story is.... maybe your outdoor euro would do well under my trees too? Or maybe you'd know a strain of similar genetics? Miss my big bertha. I could keep her as sm as I wanted (potted & started late) or grow her as big as she wanted (started early & planted in open ground under my trees). Great indoors or outdoors. Versatile as hell. I think I'm gonna cry. ~~~PEACE!~~~

[Shovelhandle]

Cat, the Euros did not grow under trees, the other two strains did and the yield was off a lot, especially the Shit. But they didn't get ripped, so that's something.

I started the trimming.

Euro plant

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Shit

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(2) three quart mason's of Euro (12 ounces) Two jars of Shit (2.5 ounces)

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[catbuds]

Holy Shit! Those pics remind me of my childhood, jumping in a fall leaf pile! That's a lot of herbage dude! What's the weight?
-- I've had strains that didn't produce so well under trees, mosty sativa dominate. Then I've had some sweet little short fat indicas that thrived in the woods. I used to call them mommas little wood nymphs! Haha! Really pissed that the thieves brought Big Bertha to an end. I could kick my own ass for not saving back a few seeds 'just incase'. I KNEW I had a theft problem here. I should be jack slapped for planting them all. It's my own damned fault. Now I'll be spending a lot of time asking questions & searching info from seed banks just to find a new strain that suits my needs (for outdoor). That's time I'd rather spend growing. The aurora indica I've decided on for indoors will probably fit the bill for the available light, but it sounds like it will be small even outdoors. I'm also thinking most labled for indoor grow can do without all day full sun & may work in my outdoor garden, but then again, they most likely won't have the genetic resistance to disease or stress from fluctuations either. I am SO pissed at myself. Not only about Big Bertha, but the fact I haven't keep up with the new strains in years so I'm as clueless as a noobe! I hate STUPID! Especially when it's me!
---- But back to your harvest man, you did great! I'd like to bury my face in that pile of buds!
~~~~PEACE!~~~~

[Shovelhandle]

Northern Lights #5 x Skunk #1

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European Outdoor plant #2

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[catbuds]

Not getting ripped around here is the biggest thing. I'm really starting to belive the cops just don't bother cause they figure there's less work for them if they just leave it to the theives. (Maybe if they just followed the thieves around they'd learn how to find them better, heaven forbid)!
--- Dude! That's a lot of herbage, combining your last 2 harvest pics! If we start hearing less from you, or your spelling goes to hell in a hand basket, we'll know why!
--- Speaking of hearing less from someone....Since 'his' pics clearly showed his plants nearly against the back wall of his house, I had hoped he was in a area that allowed a patient their own medical grow. Apparently not... concerned. ( his last post was something like Sept 24th)

~~~~ PEACE! ~~~~

[lipps]

Nice....that should get ya through the winter.....we there yet?

[Shovelhandle]

Winter? Just around the corner. Frosty mornings this week. We've had an excellent grow season right into Autumn. It was wet in May-June but I put my plants out late and it worked out well. Four plants total of around 30 oz of dry, trimmed bud.

[catbuds]

Congratulations on a great harvest Shov! For me, later is always better. Reason being, plant munching baby animals. Guess you've all seen I'd sooner chop off my arm than harm an animal, so I just use timing as a way to work around this. I've not seen mention of this on the forum, so I'm going to drop a few hints now for the 'younguns' who like to follow your threads, since I'm sure you already know what I'm talking about. When momma rabbit first brings out her bunnies to graze (& groundhogs), they're looking for the tenderest greens. If one sets out their grow as small tender seedlings, well, your just asking for it & they're fair game. So I grow mine under fluorescents in 1gal nursery pots untill the stems are tuffer & more fiberous & set them out around June 1st. This timing allows for the roots to establish themselves & the plants to be in rapid growth for the longer daylight period, summer equinox (longest day of the year) falling June 19th-21st. Combine this with the fact the little munchers will no longer find your plants appealing, it's a win win situation. Deer are another matter. They require repellants which can be found at farm supply stores & some nurseries. Sorry I'm sometimes so long winded, but it's hard for me to pass up an opportunity to protect Mother Earths tiny babbies & green growers too! Hope this tidbit helps us all get along! :) ~~~ PEACE! ~~~

[Shovelhandle]

I don't harm a fly. My visitor (yellowjacket) must have croaked as it's not around anymore. I killed a wolf spider last winter when it scared me and I didn't care for doing that. Even hornets and wasps I catch and turn loose outdoors. Snails have been my main outdoor pest the last few years.

[catbuds]

Something to try... go to concentrates & click on the waxtractor thread, click on their facebook link. I really want one of these!-----The butane method is how my ex set the woods on fire, but we're not dumb enough to try to evaporate butane over an open fire! LOL! There's 2 ways I do it. Set pyrex on a soil heating mat, or use a regular heating pad set on low. :)
--- Hope Ranger sees this. I want to bring it to his attention when he comes back! I signed up to win a free one. If I win, I'll be doing my happy dance while sliding down my cane like a stripper on a pole!!! & LMAO the whole time! :) ~~~ PEACE! ~~~

[Shovelhandle]

no offense, Cat but I'd prefer that we go off topic on a thread in the Cannabis Lounge. I've always tried to keep my grow log threads on point. Please.

For information on extracts...Check out Graywolf. He is on many sites including this one. He's not so active here but he probably does answer to a message if you rep him. He is the man who designs, tests and builds all kinds of extractors for the MMJ industry. If you can't raise him here try looking out in the internet.

[tlranger]

Good job on grow, buds looked tight, hope they smoke well. Mainly thanks for greywolf lead.

[Shovelhandle]

Thanks.
The products turned out OUTSTANDING. I've gotten more positive comments on these three strains than ever before. They smoke nice, taste nice and get you fuckeded up.

[tlranger]

Still amazed that I see no rocks anywhere, must be nice!!!

[Shovelhandle]

Rocks where? ...in the jars, on the table? If you mean in the field then I gotta say that all the fields around here grow some real boulders! You'll see them in the fall after harvest, shit-spreading and tilling.

[catbuds]

Hey, rocks are good. After erosion & time break them down into minerals & trace elements, our plants take them in as nutrients! :) :) :)

[Shovelhandle]

^^^ we'll never see this in our lifetime. :jointsmile:

[catbuds]

Yeah, little bit slower than compost! :)