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mellow mood
05-11-2005, 10:25 PM
OK, I already posted a similar thread, but it dissapeared fast coz during that time i didnt know the existence of this forum.

so heres my theory, about our existence: in fact, can we really say we do exist? i mean, we exist only for some limited persons, because only like maybe 500, 1000 or so persons know you. so actually does Huamdh Kadif exists if u never heard of him? can we say aliens exist if we never saw them?

so my theory is that we are existing but only for few persons. we are "partially" existing, and from me we totally aren't.who knows earth exists, except humans here? is a strange animal existed before we just discovered it? yes we would say, but before we dicovered it we would say it doesnt.

that goes as well for the universe. if we take the fact universe is not infinite, who knows it exists, except those who live in it?

anyway thats about that, any comments? what do u think about it?

peace

Gumby
05-11-2005, 10:59 PM
If we know someone and then they leave our lives, but know that they are still alive... do they still exist?? If they do I don't think you're theory holds up... if not you may have something.... oh ya, and if you don't know who I am, do I exist?? And if I don't who wrote this??

mellow mood
05-11-2005, 11:04 PM
i dont know you but i can tell you exist because i see your post. and if you know someone that leaved you life, you still know he exist. but you dont know if hes dead. he may be dead. who knows? who knows if there a 4th dimension? did venus existed before we discovered its existence :) ?

Gumby
05-11-2005, 11:09 PM
I think we can use our knowledge know to predict what happened in the past or will in the future enough to know when venus formed and that aliens exist. I think that instead of thinking that nothing should exist, you should think that everything does exist, until you prove it doesn't. Because you could be a monkey that knows how to type, but I don't know until I prove you're not.

bhallg2k
05-11-2005, 11:12 PM
There is a 4th dimension. Common physics states that.

Here's what'll really fry your brain: Superstring theory, physics' attempt at unifying quantum mechanics and general relativity, proposes that there has to be as many as 10, 11 and even 26 dimensions.

Gumby
05-11-2005, 11:12 PM
My theort is that ieverything is made up of the same things and that everything only exist because we think it does. These are only words because we think they are when really they are just waves of lights and magnetic forces. And so is everything? What do you think about that one?

Gumby
05-11-2005, 11:14 PM
I'm pretty sure they've proven the 9th...

Gumby
05-11-2005, 11:15 PM
and the real break through will come when we can figure out how to relate strong forces with gravity and electromagnitism

bhallg2k
05-11-2005, 11:17 PM
My theort is that ieverything is made up of the same things and that everything only exist because we think it does. These are only words because we think they are when really they are just waves of lights and magnetic forces. And so is everything? What do you think about that one?

Superstring theory also states that. It says that beyond protons, neutrons, electrons, quarks, neutrinos, etc, that the smallest form of matter are tiny strings that vibrate causing whatever the strings make to be what it is they're making. In other words, strings' vibrations determine matter's properties. So in a sense, it's all strings.

bhallg2k
05-11-2005, 11:18 PM
Gravity is electromagnetism, in a sense.

Gumby
05-11-2005, 11:24 PM
I think the only think superstring theory misses is on a purpose... they don't involve magnatism with it, inwhich magnatism shows reason for evolution. And gravity is related to magnatism but not the same as.

bhallg2k
05-11-2005, 11:34 PM
I don't think any theory proposed by physics will ever offer a purpose, only how.

And superstring theory doesn't have anything to do with magnetism, gravity or any other law of attraction. I was just saying that gravity, in a way, is electromagnetism.

All string theory does is attempt to make sense of the fact that even though both quantum mechanics and general relativity make sense on their own, they cannot coexist without something bridging the gap. Hence the apparent discovery of strings and extra spatial dimensions.

It's really fascinating stuff. I recommend "The Elegant Universe" by Brian Greene if you really want to delve into it.

One really cool thing I learned is about the origin of the universe, that at the moment right before "the big bang," all of the universe, everything in existence, compacted into a tiny mass, about one billionth of a trillionth (if I remember correctly) the size of an atom and then just exploded to create everything we know today.

djaio
05-11-2005, 11:36 PM
everyone is the center of their own universe. someone can exist in my universe without existing in yours.

the world revolves around me... but it revolves around you, too.

Gumby
05-12-2005, 12:19 PM
I've seen a documentary called 'the elegant universe' and it talked about string theory. I agree it's a great thing to learn about and so abstract that it's hard to understand at some points. But I was wondering if there is a book by the same title too. Was that what you were talking about?

And you're mostly right about all of matter in that small of an area, but there was no time 'right before the big bang'. there was nothing, and with nothing you can't have a small object with a ton of mass. The idea of a big bang means that in an instant there was such a major amount of energy released that it started creating matter. Hense E=mc2... if you think of all the mass (m) in our universe and multiply it by the speed of light (c) squared... you get a big mother fucking number... and that is what was at the moment of the big bang.

The really cool thing i learned about it is that we are still able to measure radiation from that explosion today.

I don't mean to sound like I know everything about space, I'm just a dork that gets high and likes to think about that shit. But I do hope that this thread keeps going because I always love learning about new theories and hearing new ideas.

Oh ya and I've heard there are theories now that try to explain multiple big bangs, and that they are constantly creating new universes. That's some crazy shit.

mellow mood
05-12-2005, 03:08 PM
well you cant admit all exist until you prove it doesnt, because you cant really prove it doesnt. so all is existing and at the same time all is nothing. we are all and nothing at the same time.

if a tree fall in a forest where no one can hear it, does it make a sound? :)