Urine storage/pre exam question - FBR!

[Txbizpro]

Most of what I search for has been found already, I'm just looking for a final opinion on my case specifically.


Test day: Fri Mar 1 9am - 10:15am


Option A: Get brother's urine Thur. night, refrigerate, then reheat and sub for test

Option B: Get brother's urine Fri morning before test, keep room/body temp for a couple of hours, then sub for test



From my searches I feel like these two things are mostly the same...anyone care to elaborate?

I'd rather get the urine the night before, instead of running around the metro early in the morning. Can anyone say beyond a doubt that Option A is just
as good as Option B for the purpose of a drug screen?


Thanks

Really the only thing standing in my way now is execution/making sure the temp is right. It seems crotched + handwarmers (rubberbanded, I've been
instructed) is the preferred method. What's the chance of overheating? How necessary is a temp strip or thermometer?

Thanks again

[Txbizpro]

318 views and no one so much as chimes in?





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[vermilion smoker]

option A sounds good.. my friend

[Txbizpro]

Thank you! Can anyone else corroborate?

option A urine is just as usable as option B urine?

[in_grind_we_toke]

Please don't use Option A. From having a medical field point of view. Reheating could actually burn anything in the urine making it literally turn into water. Go with Option B and make sure you use something sterile to hold the urine. Any type of contaminants can actually make the test inconclusive. We all know how fast bacteria can form in a warm wet enviroment. :)

[painretreat]

It is doubtful they will be looking for anything living in the urine.

The old posts here, clearly tell you what to do. Most likely, WHY Burnt Toast or Deige have not responded. They use Glove Warmers to keep it warm. But, there are threads here that talk about the microwave.

Good luck. pr

[Txbizpro]

From forum searching I have found two useful pieces of information:

Urine can be stored in a refrigerator for up to a week.
and
After 8 hours of room temp, it begins to breakdown, possibly yielding inconclusive results.

These two pieces of info separately do not tell me how the integrity of the urine could be affected if it was exposed to room temp for an hour or so, then reheated in the morning using hand warmers, not the microwave.

So very sorry to burden you all with my question. It's only my livelihood afterall, right?

Looking through forum posts I did not find any answers that would specifically and completely pertain to my option A.

[painretreat]

The information is here, use the search box, it has been working, rather well lately.

This is copied from a post of Burnt Toast. And most likely the reason, you have had no response. This question comes up frequently.:rasta: pr

Microwaving will not harm pre-mixed synthetic samples as long as theyre not brought to a boil.
In fact, synthetic brands such as Quick Fix, UltraPure, Magnum, etc; instruct the user to microwave the bottle for initial heat (for up to 10 sec) prior to applying the heat pack. The supplied heat pack by itself takes approximately 1 hour to heat the bottle to 100F.

Microwaving will not harm human samples either, but its still not recommended because human urine is a biohazard and should not be in an area where food and utensils are involved.
Last edited by Burnt Toast; Oct-24-2011 at 03:59.

[Txbizpro]

The information is here, use the search box, it has been working, rather well lately.

This is copied from a post of Burnt Toast. And most likely the reason, you have had no response. This question comes up frequently.:rasta: pr

Microwaving will not harm pre-mixed synthetic samples as long as theyre not brought to a boil.
In fact, synthetic brands such as Quick Fix, UltraPure, Magnum, etc; instruct the user to microwave the bottle for initial heat (for up to 10 sec) prior to applying the heat pack. The supplied heat pack by itself takes approximately 1 hour to heat the bottle to 100F.

Microwaving will not harm human samples either, but its still not recommended because human urine is a biohazard and should not be in an area where food and utensils are involved.
Last edited by Burnt Toast; Oct-24-2011 at 03:59.


Thanks PR, I appreciate you taking the time to post, but what you copied and pasted really doesn't help me at all. I never mentioned anything about microwaves. I'm using human urine, not a synthetic, and my question pertains more to the integrity of the urine as it moves through this process (Option A).

But the passive aggressivism here is impressive. 318 views and a bump before I get a reply, in a forum dedicated to 'helping'. I searched, as I always do before I post a question, but I did not find a post that specifically addresses my situation. I can read other posts and be 90% sure, or I can ask a direct question in hope for a few extra percentage points. I personally, don't see anything wrong trying to be certain when a 90k/year job is on the line. But, if you all disagree, then just continue to do what you're doing -- nothing.

Thanks again PR.

[painretreat]

Microwaving will not harm human samples either, but its still not recommended because human urine is a biohazard and should not be in an area where food and utensils are involved.
Last edited by Burnt Toast; Oct-24-2011 at 03:59.

[Txbizpro]

Ok so I collected the urine from my brother, and put the 3oz travel bottle purchased at walmart directly into a big plastic cup with ice in it for the 45 minute trip home.
Refrigerated it once home from about 7:30pm to about 8:15am the next moring.
Put bottle of urine in plastic sandwich bag and put it in hot water for about 15-20 mins.
I used the "toe warmer" hand warmers which came 2 in a pack, were adhesive, and fit and covered the oval bottle perfectly.
Crotched it between two pair of tight boxer briefs.
Took the test at about 9:30am, with the guy in the bathroom but not actually observing. This to me meant that I had to be very quiet with the bottle, which was ok because I had practiced a few times the night before.
I was a little worried about having the temp right, although I feel like taking the temp with a thermometer might have taken an unusual amount of time. It takes extra time to be very deliberate and quiet anyway.

Passed the test.
The HR lady even told me they would never drug test me again without reasonable suspicion.

I sincerely hope this helps many people because this is a complete preemployment drug test urine substitution log from a-z, with an emphasis on what I did to protect the integrity of the urine.

[Burnt Toast]

I was a little worried about having the temp right, although I feel like taking the temp with a thermometer might have taken an unusual amount of time. It takes extra time to be very deliberate and quiet anyway.

Next time you sub, take note: "Stick-on" baby forehead temp strips (sold at most chain drug stores) work just as well as a digital thermometer. They are actually identical to the temp strips used at the collection facility. While they may not be as accurate to the "nth" degree as a digital unit, they are obviously accurate enough to merit continued use by the facilities.

Just stick the strip onto the bottle before you go to the facility, and thats one less item that you have to carry into the bathroom stall.