Please help!!! This Super Lemon Haze is tricky!

[kest30]

Hi all. This is a Super Lemon Haze plant, topped twice in early veg, two weeks into flower. Open room, soil (rainforest blend), 400W Super HPS at 2.25 feet, FloraNova nutrients, Superthrive, Silica Blast, Liquid Karma. What's going on with the leaves here? Please help!!!
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Thanks in advance everyone!

[polishpollack]

did you take the pic under sodium light? If so, try to take a pic in white light only as the yellow of sodium changes the leaves appearance. If you referring to the downward curling as the problem, this might result from a pH issue in soil. However need white light pics to see the color of the leaves better. Right now I'm guessing that the soil has too much nutes in it, but kind of hard to tell for sure right now.

[kest30]

Yup it's hps but the pic used a flash. The curling and general lack of vigor is the problem. Worst part: it's in a scrog

[CanGroIt]

Worst part: it's in a scrog

How long has it been in the same pot??? Size of pot???

CGI::::::

[kest30]

She vegged for nearly two mnths with topping and lst and has been transitioning under a screen for two weeks. In a 3 gallon pot

[kest30]

Oh sry she's been in that pot for a month. Transplanted from a quart pot where it was originally sown :)

[kest30]

Lame. Lame. Lame....

[low_rdr]

In my experience curling is a direct result of habitat. However it does seem like these are more glossy as my CKM was. My CKM was natural, and had a glassy/glossy/almost waxy appearance. I would attribute this to cold temps during lights out. If its not perking up towards the end of the daylight cycle, this MAY be incorrect. But its all trial and error. This is why some of the best growers only stick to a few strains, because they know it inside and out.

[kest30]

Thanks for the heads up rdr. I wish someone out there had seen this kind of curling before!

[painretreat]

Polish Polack would like to know your pH, they are trying. ;) Curling of leaves is only ONE thing that pH can cause. It may be, no one can help you without a pH reading? pr

[kest30]

Okay. I should've given more info up front, my bad. So I will sum up:
Super Lemon Haze - heavy sativa
Rainforest Blend soil, started from seed in quart pot, transplant into 3 gallon pot
Nutrients:
Veg: Flora series, superthrive (1 ml/g), liquid karma (basically a seaweed compost tea), cal-mag, silica blast, 250-1000 ppm, twice a week, water in between
Bloom: Botanicare Pro Bloom 2-3-5, L.K., cal-mag, mag, Hydroplex 0-10-6, silica blast, all half strength, fed in a.m. every other day, 1000 ppm, water in afternoon, sleep at night.
Peep the setup:
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That is an older picture but the lights are the same and the SLH is in a support-scrog. I've got the 400 W Super HPS at 3 feet. It's high because the plant is wilting so badly I am afraid to burn it up. There are 54 W T5's on the sides and CFL's all over.
Input nute and water pH is 5.8. Runoff is typically 6.2-6.5, running two gallons pH'd water thru
Now I understand why all these tools that experts use are needed for challenging grows. This one was tough from the get-go, so I figured it might be a bad pheno, took a cutting, and popped another seed. The new seedling shot up and fell over, so I added some soil to tighten her up. She's greener and healthier than the first.

Looking over things now, I suppose I was thinking she was overwatered at first. Then, I did some searching and decided she was overnuted. After tomorrows flush, I would like to start a regimen for her. Since some colas are healthy and some are weird, I am at a loss as to what to do. Flushing as such a pain with a soil scrog...argh i am frustrated that my light is being used up whilst I have BlueOG looking fresh! I feel like I'm adding weeks to the already very long flowering period (12-14).

Last thing: She vegged for 2 months under 400 W SuperBlue MH, had at least 10 internodes and preflowers before transition. Temps always between 75-80 day/55-60 night. 11.5 on,12.5 off. Hella ventilation and circulation. Low humidity (Arizona mountains). No pests or diseases indicated except the occasional little gnat.
Thanks again for any strategies to cope with her.

In the words of Kurt Loder: "I'm stoned, I'm outta here"

[kest30]

Uh, here's a better pic:
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The scrog shown here isn't the SLH but the setup is the same. I will take some new pics tomorrow morning-ish

[polishpollack]

Kind of a nice grow, but little strange. You're using soil and drip ring, the ferts needs for them will be different. Why are you giving mag seperately if you're using cal-mag? Why can't you show us pics that are close up and in white light? The room has carpet. You probably should put down a much bigger, thicker piece of plastic. You dump a bucket and the water will soak right in. What is your question? The curling? You're giving a lot of fertilizer stuff. Why? Are you sure that 1000ppm is what you want to use in soil? You're watering and feeding the soil grows too much. Other than that, not a bad setup.

[kest30]

Hi Pollack. I am using soil and drip-ring for comparison purposes my man. The pics come from my phone, so I'm doing the best i can. (Ouch) The plastic is pretty thick so I'm not too worried about the carpet. I mix everything in a separate room and use large runoff trays for the soil pots. I also keep my mothers in soil, and after a few months I put 'em into flower.
Why do I use supplements? Because I can! lol
To update:
For the SLH, pH in was 5.8, pH out was 5.9. A little low I believe, but seems okay.
I flushed with water and then flushed with half-strength nutes. Now I will use only half-strength twice a week as though it were a smaller plant.

[polishpollack]

You want your soil to dry out, so maintaining a schedule of water application even twice a week might be too often, but this depends on how warm it is and how rapidly the soil dries. Why half strength? If the instructions are for full strength, why dilute? pH is too low for ferts going in a soil grow and I suspect this might be the reason for your curling issue. Are you planning on sticking with 1000ppm? Is that half strength? I don't have a problem with what you use to take pictures, but I asked for pics in white light, not sodium, so I can see the leaves better. I'm trying to help you, but you didn't really respond to my questions. I'm not sure that using so many additives just because you can is a good idea. Most of the time when these plants don't grow right, it's because the grower is doing something wrong. Usually doing too much of one thing and not enough of something else, and I think that's what's going on here. No offense, just my opinion. Oh, the point to flushing is to use water only. To flush with nutes just replaces what you washed out. And your avatar pic appears to be upside down....:what:

[growdemon]

over everything....

the best thing is to do nothing.

soil doesnt need all those nutes, maybe if you were in a water or hydro setup then it would be different.
there are really only a few times you need to add anything to soil,

nitrogen for veg stage like a 12 when the plant reaches about 1-2ft.

when ur ready to flower, cut the nitrogen out
3-4 day after you flip the lights to 12/12 hit it with a high 3-50-50 (MOAB) i use

thats it wait 2-3weeks, dont add anything ( and throw ur ph meter away)
feed it water when the dirt dries out. stick your finger in the dirt.

when you think its ready to harvest. its NOT..... hit it with a bit more 3-50-50 (MOAB)
wait 2 weeks watch your buds explode.. flush for 1-2 week.
harvest & dry 3+ weeks


i just flipped to 12/12 3-4 days ago, and i just fed them all MOAB yesterday (the tall ones)

like the small plants to the left, i havnt fed them anything but soil & water. they are at the size im going to transplant into bigger pots. and i still wont feed them any nutes becuase they will be in fresh soil.

hope this helps!


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