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twitch
01-31-2013, 12:31 PM
I havent posted on this site in awhile so hello to everyone and i have been trying to compare my wax
with others and every one in a med state that i meet and that i let smoke some of my wax says its right
on par if not better.
so basically i show you mine you show me yours and if any one in a med state that actually specializes in
concentrates could chime in a give your 2 cents.
oh and i dont whip any thing, whipping is bad for the concentrates, vac purge
everything i touches turns to wax

well for some reason it wont let you zoom in that is not cool

twitch
01-31-2013, 12:35 PM
i hope this works so you can zoom
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twitch
01-31-2013, 12:52 PM
289370289369289371289372289373

HELL YEA
ok now check them out now and tell me if you can make better...

qwisoking
01-31-2013, 08:40 PM
Hey what's up I am experienced in extracts and chemistry. As my name suggests I do qwiso and from every method I've ever heard after you finish you end up with the pure cannaboids which are a liquid
So my question is how do you make your wax? Do you just not winterize it and that's what makes it like that

twitch
01-31-2013, 08:58 PM
what is winterizeing?

289389

I wont tell you exactly in detail because I am crazy and I am convinced I have figured
out the secret. I have yet to see any one that is not in a med state have the same
quality wax as me, and from what i have read and heard it sounds like its harder and
more expense to get a wax concentrate over any of the "goos" or shatter.
so I am confident that the wax is more pure then anything gooey

But back to a little bit of the madness that is my method
vector gas, i have a 2-3oz glass extraction tube, metal and plastic are porous and any one using those is probably
getting extra goodies, blast over tray scrape and vac pure it
fresh bud and trim wax up more quickly it depends on the strain

qwisoking
01-31-2013, 09:14 PM
Ah I see lol I like you. Check out my qwiso guide I would post link if I knew how ha but yea I got my answer. You have a good system going but if you notice when you smoke it do you get a slight waxy film in your mouth those are the lipids and wax that gets extracted as well after winterizing the wax drops out of solution and is yellow or red depending on strain.. What's left is a liquid at room temp and "glass" when frozen
Now then if aint broke don't fix it. If everyone is saying your stuff is the best thing they've had ,stick with what your doing!!!
But maybe try my way just once

twitch
01-31-2013, 09:34 PM
wax drop out? like actual wax?

twitch
01-31-2013, 09:35 PM
ill go out on a limb, are you saying there is wax in the butane that is getting trapped in my bho?
the paraffin wax that is in ronson butane to help lube the lighters?

qwisoking
01-31-2013, 09:47 PM
Yea after you have your final product that you would normally produce go to the liqur store and get everclear dissolve your extract in it put it in the freezer after 48 hours the alcohol will get cloudy. Pour it through a coffee filter and then yes you will see actual wax in the filter. Now get rid of the alcohol and smoke your extract.
That is winterizing.. Doing an etoh wash freeze 48hrs wax will precipitate out and will actually purge any butane or hexane
Hexane is the longest "light" hydrocarbon and Is better than butane, less aggressive and water soluble
Anyway that's just from my scientific perspective

qwisoking
01-31-2013, 10:24 PM
Its wise to just simply take advice from someone who works with extracts for a living
Also name calling is a feeble minds futile attempt at... :) what was the rest of that saying
Anyway I said to use 99% iso and do an etoh wash. That's ethanol to you sorry when I came across this thread I thought you were goona be another knowledgable hash lover such as myself

qwisoking
01-31-2013, 10:35 PM
You seem to be confused on what I'm saying.
Wether you do a butane iso co2(well don't worry about that) any extraction will pull the fats and waxes out of the plant. All plants have these now you winterize your butane or iso extraction meaning after obtaining your "pure" extract you dissolve it meaning put it into an ethanol suspension so that these waxes and fats will precipitate out of solution now you purge the ethanol and your left with a bell clear extract

twitch
02-01-2013, 12:06 AM
i am telling you to google it because its every where that butane only extracts the resin
and iso extracts a lot more bull shit, that is fact..... like for real?....
and its not like your using ronson shit you get at home depot, you use good butane like
vector that doesn't have those nasty perfumes and additives

Weezard
02-01-2013, 12:49 AM
Skunkpharm to the rescue.

The authority states;

"Butane Honey Oil, or BHO, is the essential oil from the cannabis plant, extracted using n-Butane as a solvent. If it is extracted from fresh material, it is a Concrete, and if from cured material, it is an Oleoresin. A concrete or an oleoresin that has been winterized to remove the waxes, lipids, and fats, is known as an Absolute."

Argue less, read more.

Aloha,
Weeze

qwisoking
02-01-2013, 02:59 AM
Ah weezard. Always there...lurking...knowing.. Just what to say
Ha by the way out of weed am I no more!

twitch
02-01-2013, 09:11 AM
hahaha and if you read the full article that he copy any pasted it from its goes
in detail about how butane extractions are more pure then iso ever could be lmao

BHO Extraction « Skunk Pharm Research LLC (http://skunkpharmresearch.com/bho-extraction/)

twitch
02-01-2013, 09:14 AM
"Butane Honey Oil extraction refers to the method used to extract the essential oils from cannabis, and there are multiple theories on the best way to accomplish this, as well as what material is best to use."

"Perhaps the first question is why use a BHO technique to extract the resins, instead of just boiling the material in alcohol to get the greatest amount of extracted material? "

The greatest amount huh.... that must mean there is other stuff and goodies in your hash.... huh....

"The answer to that is that because butane is relatively non polar, it doesn’t extract the water solubles like chlorophyll and plant alkaloids. Butane produces one of the cleanest extractions, albeit typically at a lower yield than polar alcohol."

twitch
02-01-2013, 11:31 AM
"The answer to that is that because butane is relatively non polar, it doesn’t extract the water solubles like chlorophyll and plant alkaloids. Butane produces one of the cleanest extractions, albeit typically at a lower yield than polar alcohol."

qwisoking
02-01-2013, 12:43 PM
Ah goodmorning twitch
You know I'm not sure where all this negativity is coming from. All I did was inquire your process of making hash and give you a few methods to make it a little better.
Sorry if that offended you I also stated that you just just try my way once and that if people love your method stick with it.
Now then back to science. If you notice I state that it doesn't even matter if you use 99% iso because I winterize and then do hot hexane/saline wash. Everything I'm saying is simple chemistry there will be no waxes fats or any water solubles
I also state that qwiso should never be simply dissolved and evaporated and called done if you follow thie steps it will be much better than a wax product
Now I say this because if your too lazy to do the full procedure then bho will be slighly cleaner.. So even though it was copied from them I will give you the credit of saying something right
And please do some more reading before you just start posting hexane as I've said to use is a longer hydrcarbon so less aggressive and it kind of hurts my feeling when you read the website I told you too and somehow you've missed everything on it.
If I may, how old are you and what is your profession?
Oh and I do apologize I may have been a bit harsh yesterday. I've never been good at explaining things

Burnt Toast
02-01-2013, 01:31 PM
This thread has turned into a pissing contest and shows no sign of letting up, soooo..

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