all led grow

[Mal420xl]

i decided to separate this from the phototron debacle i have going.

so this is 4 no name plants, started off in their little dog turds, once they grow outta those ill move them into
larger cups with seed starter etc. im starting them off under the phototron light since it is less intense and blackdog
would fry them like beansprouts in japanese restaurant. i guess i may have to overcome some of my old
guerrilla farming habits like popping multiple seeds in the same container. i put 2 apiece in and
oddly enough all 8 popped....again did the same with the photoron and all 12 popped.
seems like gone are the days of running thru the woods looking for a good spots to toss
handfulls of seed out and hoping that maybe one or 2 spots will make it to maturation
without being found, ripped off, eaten by deer, and of course those few you can never remember where they were.
genetics must have improved a good deal.

[Mal420xl]

ordered a bd360(have to wait for it to be built, but they knocked money off again so...scoooore!) for the veg tent. i'll use the phototron lite to get them started and then switch to the smaller blackdog for the remainder of the veg period.
i spent quite a while on the phone with the guy from blackdog regarding the bleaching issue i had originally . the 360 needs to be around 20ish inches above and the 700 needs upwards 2.5 to 3 feet above the tops during veg.
during flowering both can be brought down 12-18 inches depending on if you have co2, strain type, nutes etc. light wont be in for 2 weeks but i don't see needing it much before then anyway.

[Mal420xl]

had to change out heaters. the forced air type may be causing some transpiration issues. the winter makes the air dry as it is especially when its like today at about 2 above. cant keep the rh above 25-28% most of the time.
had an open container of water but it wasnt helping enough. swapped out the forced air for a oil filled radiator. now i can keep the water on it with a rag in it so if i do spill it it wont make as big a mess.
I know i prob should have a humidifier but I am already a little closer to my max amp draw than i'd like. once the new light comes in and i start using that it will help some for draw and rh.

[Mal420xl]

transplanted the lil ones. cut 2 of them to one plant as the they each had one with frail stems so. the other 2 pairs are a bit stronger. ive convinced myself by letting them fight for space, water etc. that it will make one stronger, survival of the fittest thing....
i took a few pics but most of them came out like crap. the light makes it funky...and my camera sucks..... ill get more later.

[Mal420xl]

so far so good.

[Growrefcheck]

so far so good.

Hey,Mal420xl
..looking forward to check on your grow.....

[Weezard]

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Aloha,
Weeze

[bitemybud]

Not a believer in LED's; So I look forward to seeing your results. Good Luck

[32yrslater]

Not a believer in LED's; So I look forward to seeing your results. Good Luck

289264 OOOOhhhh....All LED, Miracle Grow with external temps dropping down to Zero, internal temps dropping down to 40's. The worst possible conditions and Lowryder #2 did pretty good. 90 watt, 2nd gen LED from ebay, $149.

[Mal420xl]

quite a distinguished audience...cool, ill try to keep it interesting for ya. just started playing blues for them 24/7.
32yearslater, thats encouraging to see. i wasnt much a fan of leds either but i have friend who is big into them so i watched a few of his and all i can say is I WANT THAT!!
he gros some big fat nasty, if i get half as good as he is at it ill be all set. led is a bit of curve, i used to use flouros when i grew indoors. i think itll be cool tho.

[Mal420xl]

couple better pics of the wrinkly babies.

[Mal420xl]

cant really explain it but these are going down like the phototron plants did. I popped 4 more and im gonna put them in next to these(in bigger pots) to see what happens. either my water is absolutely toxic,hard to believe since they germ in it pretty nicely, or there is just some kind of bad juju goin on. only thing i can figure is some kind ph thing is happening but i have been making sure to keep it adjusted also dont get why i am having to chase it so much never had these kinds of problems before ever.

[Mal420xl]

odd observation. i germed 4 more just in case the first had issues...and they did. so i put them straight in with the first batch i started so each plant will have a month old with issues and a seedling with none.
the seedlings just started breaking thru last nite, well 2 did and one more this am and it looks like the 4th is a question mark still. the odd part is the seedlings as tiny as they are have thicker stems than the plant thats older.
they are 3 gallon pots with ff ocean forest straight out of the bag. the originals i have to say are doing much better since being replanted but they are still very stunted. one has 6 or 7 nodes but is only maybe 4 or 5 inches tall.
no strain info other than they are from the same buds and its an indica dominate from mexico.

[Mal420xl]

was hard to get a good perspective but the one seedling pic and stem pic hopefully help. that seedling is in with the plant from the stem pic that plant has 6 nodes and a 7 on the way. the seedling stem is almost, not quite but almost twice the size of the bigger older plant. if this turns out like i think i may need to write an angry letter to miracle grow demanding they change their name to "its a miracle if it grows".

[Mal420xl]

4th one is up. let the fight for survival begin. try to get some better pics up later.

[Mal420xl]

all 4 are up, tallest healthiest plant by this time next week lives...

[bitemybud]

I am still watching. I see more and more piks of good looking buds using led's; But; In comparison to the bushes and trees I grow under HID lamps; I still have to go with HID.

Your plants are looking good. I am pulling for you. I think it is becoming more of a matter of how much yield can you get; as opposed to whether or not you can grow good Meds with LED's

[Mal420xl]

I am still watching. I see more and more piks of good looking buds using led's; But; In comparison to the bushes and trees I grow under HID lamps; I still have to go with HID.

Your plants are looking good. I am pulling for you. I think it is becoming more of a matter of how much yield can you get; as opposed to whether or not you can grow good Meds with LED's

cool thanks man, im not sure whatever yield i get from this run will be a true measure. no co2 really other than carbonated water once they are bigger, no scrog, probably will top or fim them, i could put a few more plants in but im just trying to see what is gonna need tweaking or whatever. i dont guess i need huge yields really, if i got an ounce or so apiece of decent tops
and whatever else i can squeeze out of it ill be happy. these lights are pretty amazing so far. the older ones would have been bigger by now if i had just started them in ffof (yeah i know but so far both the older plants and the seedlings seems to love it) instead of miracle grow seed starter. the ph was all over the place. anyway well see next friday which ones make it and which get yanked.

[boaz]

looking good man. :greenthumb: I guess I must have come from the old school guerrilla farming days too, lol, i used to dump about 50 bag seed in a cup and let them fight it out, may the best plant win. ;) I'm no expert but here a few things that I've had to deal with over the years. crap in the water, unless you've got your own well you probably have crap added to the water that needs to be filtered out. i used to boil a big pot of water, let it cool and use the top layer of water. i also had to force myself to allow the soil to totally dry out between watering so the roots can get enuff oxygen. and i usually use water only for the first few days anyway for the seedlings and then start adding in ferts later. but i've never used led, good luck, glad your posting it here.

[Mal420xl]

thanks boaz,
I just use non filtered, ph corrected tap water and foxfarms oceanforest now. the ec and ppm in my water are both really low but the ph is over 9. i was using miracle grow but everytime i did a run off the ph was all over the place. its no wonder my first few goes burned up. ill put some pics up tomorrow if the change is noticeable enough.

[Mal420xl]

weeks up, some clear winners and some may have to go a lil longer. the 2 bigger older plants are trying to come around have to see i guess.

[Mal420xl]

still working out the ph problem but i think im on the right path at least. will get some pics up as soon as i get them resized.

[Mal420xl]

290262290263290264290265so here are the babies at almost 4 weeks(on friday) the biggest one is working on it 7th node i think the other three are going on the 5th or 6th.
seem to be getting over the worst of the ph problem so far at least. ill know for sure in a week or so. growing much nicer as opposed to not so much.

[Shovelhandle]

pH of 9.0 ? WTF is that all about? That isn't going to work. Cannabis needs slightly acidic soil, 9.0 is 100 times more alkaline than 7.1 pH. What is making the pH so far off?

[Mal420xl]

my water is at 9.3 its set by the state and city. they say it keep the metals content down.(i originally had read something about microbes but that was wrong) i think chloramine has some effect on the ph staying high not sure what else besides salts. weird thing is i take straight tap water at 9.3 do nothing to it and the run off is in the 5's. take that same tap water and add vinegar to it so it registers at 6.5 and the run off is in the upper 7's and climbs. water sitting in a jug that has been adjusted will start to climb. water that hasnt will drop to maybe 8.8 -8.9 and stays there. the other thing i have to consider is the only thing i know about this batch is that it comes from northern mexico. may not mean much too most but it does to me because i know the soil there is alkaline sometimes to the point of being toxic. I'm going to try using a more stable buffer and see if i can bring the run off up to maybe upper 6's or so. right now they improved since i stopped filtering and adjusting the ph down but seem like they need a little more. time will tell.

[bitemybud]

dolomitic lime can be used for ph buffer. I think I would find a soil that I could keep at a consistent ph, and re-pot.

Vinegar; When I experimented with Vinegar; My conclusion was that is was unstable as a ph buffer, constantly needing adjustment. After a while I feel you are hurting the plants with all that vinegar.

[Shovelhandle]

9.3, wow, most cities do set the pH at 7.5 -8.5 to keep calcium deposits and corrosion down but 9.3 is a huge difference of alkalinity. Do you have any way to get some better water? A friend with a well or right out of a river?

[Mal420xl]

nah not really rain or snowmelt is pretty toxic here. transporting it isnt practical for me either. so far its looking like the higher ph may be exactly what i need. once i stopped adjusting it down they started turning around. i think because they came from fairly alkaline conditions thats why im having problems. i have some good ph up coming so we'll see what that nets me.

[Mal420xl]

dolomitic lime can be used for ph buffer. I think I would find a soil that I could keep at a consistent ph, and re-pot.

Vinegar; When I experimented with Vinegar; My conclusion was that is was unstable as a ph buffer, constantly needing adjustment. After a while I feel you are hurting the plants with all that vinegar.

i tried lime and had some problems with that too but not sure what else may have been going on. totally agree about vinegar had nothing but problems never mind its kind high in sodium also.
i got some good ph up and down now so i should be able to get it stabilized hopefully. im also going to try to rework the pot its in by cutting out sections on the sides and gluing mesh over it so the roots get more air.

[Mal420xl]

5 weeks and they seems to be rounding the corner. the higher ph is helping and ive added some calmag. it goes in at 9.8 9.9 comes out at 6.6 or so. weird shit. definately growing much nicer. they are all filling in underneath the larger one especially.
ill give the another week or so or until they get around 2 feet and pop them over to flower.

[Mal420xl]

couldnt get all my pics in at once sooo

[bitemybud]

Are you sure that your ph meter is calibrated correctly? I agree that plants can adapt to an off ph, but 9.x is way to high; So, I think your pen is way off. Just a thought.

[Mal420xl]

yeah im sure. mustve recalibrated it ten times when i started all this, its pretty good meter all in all tho. its a hanna hi 9813-5 i got it comped to me by friend at an industrial supply. oh and they arent adapting to 9+ ph, its raising the run off ph to about 6.6 - 6.8 maybe a little higher sometimes. dont know why just yet but adding high ph water is keeping the run off at normal levels. 2 of them may actually need the water bumped up alittle more as their run off is still in the very low 6s or high 5s. they all have the same ffof soil from the same bag. did my best to mix it well and flushed a couple times before i put the plants in.
its something with my water, filter it and adjust the ph and it behaves oddly one way, dont do anything it acts odd a different way. im not trying to figure it out anymore so much as just work with it. so far if i put high ph in i get moderate ph out and they seem happier. im working on rdwc rig so i have control over the ph etc directly.

[Mal420xl]

week 6 lookin way better lots of new growth underneath although still showing lingering signs of ph issue.

[Mal420xl]

quik oddity. one of the plants seems to be an auto or is stress flowering on a 18/6. its alternating its nodes and i found a few of the teenyist flowers. i got a few pics hopefully itll show. they were almost translucent.
these plants are only 7 weeks old on friday.

[pushit]

Just looks like preflowers to me man. Just about every plant I grow does this given a long enough veg time. Good thing is at least you know its a female. BTW great looking plants:thumbsup:

[Mal420xl]

tnx pushit hopefully i can keepem lookin good ph chase is still a bit of a pain in the ass. i figured it was a preflower but at 7 weeks outta the ground? and the nodes starting to shift?
the other 3 have nothing that i can see and no nodes alternating yet. i will admit the healthiest of the 4 is hard to see
much of anything its filling out so nice so it may have some preflowers hidin in there but the nodes are all still opposed.
i just hope it isnt gonna stash nads in when im not lookin

[pushit]

tnx pushit hopefully i can keepem lookin good ph chase is still a bit of a pain in the ass. i figured it was a preflower but at 7 weeks outta the ground? and the nodes starting to shift?
the other 3 have nothing that i can see and no nodes alternating yet. i will admit the healthiest of the 4 is hard to see
much of anything its filling out so nice so it may have some preflowers hidin in there but the nodes are all still opposed.
i just hope it isnt gonna stash nads in when im not lookin

Yea it sounds pretty normal to me. Just pretty much means they are mature and ready to flower when you are.

[Mal420xl]

ready when i am crap i was ready the day they popped! today is week 7 i think ill let them go til next week and make the swap. 2 are doing really well and 2 are taking longer to come around.
ill get some pics up later today.

[pushit]

ready when i am crap i was ready the day they popped! today is week 7 i think ill let them go til next week and make the swap. 2 are doing really well and 2 are taking longer to come around.
ill get some pics up later today.

Haha I know how you feel. Are you planning on transplanting again before the switch to flower? Just curious cause i noticed they have been in those pots for a couple months now. I personally like adding the fresh soil to the mix the day I start flowering. Less issues during flower. Something else that I usually do is clean up the little growth by the soil line. I usually cut off the bottom two sets of nodes. The reason is it makes it easier to water (not having a bunch of undergrowth in the way) and will give you something to play with if you decide to take cuttings for clones. A week is plenty time to heal if you decide to try and clone. I'm not trying to tell you how to grow (looks like you are doing great to me) just throwing out a couple suggestions that work great for me.

[Mal420xl]

not sure about repotting them yet or not. dont seem rootbound yet but it is hard to be sure. if do ill do it before next week tho. i will clean them up a little, i have been holding off to make sure they recovered somewhat before i started takin chunks off. but now i think about it i may do that too. got a couple pics of the healthier 2 battery died so ill get the other 2 up later.

[Mal420xl]

just did a lil prowlin under their skirts. found preflowers on all 4 of them. and lot more in there than i expected sweet!

[bitemybud]

Judging from the size; I don't think you need to re-pot, Are those 3 gallon?

[Mal420xl]

yep they are bitemybud, i probably will let them ride it out in the 3 gallons. i did a little pokin around in the soil on the sides doesnt seem overly "rooty" for now.

[Mal420xl]

week 8 of veg. switched them to 12/12 let the budding begin! the 2 in the front are doing real ice the 2 in the back are obviously having a harder time still. the new growth all looks good tho so we shall see.

[Mal420xl]

week 1 of budding. my favorite part everything happens so fast no its awesome. ill get some pics later.

[Mal420xl]

the two in the back are hanging in not sure how but there it is.

[Mal420xl]

5 pic thing soooooo yea

[Mal420xl]

early top starting to look like a bud.

[Mal420xl]

week 2 flower

2 in the back still having a hard time not sure they are gonna make it. cant seem to get them back they were getting the same thing as the other 2 but i have had to put them back on just water and calmag. they must be sitting on a nuke pile or something.

[Esteban1]

Humans survive on a ph of 7.4, cannabis a bit lower. From what I've learned Shovel is correct 6 + for the leaf but hey we're discovering new Shiite everyday! Happy trails my feathered friend

Tyrannasurus Rex

:S1:

[Mal420xl]

Humans survive on a ph of 7.4, cannabis a bit lower. From what I've learned Shovel is correct 6 + for the leaf but hey we're discovering new Shiite everyday! Happy trails my feathered friend

Tyrannasurus Rex

:S1:

i was following along just fine til the end....you been hangin with ranger?? i want some

[tlranger]

What was height at switch?

[Mal420xl]

mmm 18 -20 inch range or so. they might have been a little taller if they hadnt had issues. i have another one that has done pretty well from the start and is almost as tall as the others are now (lil over 2feet) and maybe 2 weeks or so behind.
ill toss it in with others to flower when its ready.

[Mal420xl]

they dont seem to really get tall anyway more bushy. i think some of the height will come as it buds. in veg the leaves seem more like fat and indica like and
now in flower they seem more long and skinny like sativa. looks like it was engineered to be scrogged the way it throws out nodes like a christmas tree or octopus.
i think if it has a name its gotta be mexican vishnu or something at least thats what it resembles to me.
if it is engineered to be like this it is genius. not too tall. tons of budding sites orif you play with it some you could basically make it one huge fat cola like a fire hydrant.
cool stuff.

[Mal420xl]

moved the last dirty girl i had to the flower tent....i hope its a girl it isnt really letting on yet tho.

[Esteban1]

Mal, checked out the black dog 360 999$.... Any better prices out there. Your grow is scrumpdillyocious!


Sic Semper Tyranus

:s4:

[low_rdr]

Looking great bro, you got that yellowing under control?

[Mal420xl]

Looking great bro, you got that yellowing under control?
thanks low_ryder and esteban, the yellowing is pretty much squared away on the front two little residual left on early leaves, the back 2 just dont seem to want give it up. they are growing but not like they should i cant seem to change it for them. im just gonna see what happens. the new one in the middle had a minor issue as a seedling but has really come along nice. as long as i keep the water/nutes ph going in around the high 9's the runoffs are fine. if i get lazy and dont monitor it they will drop like a stone.
all things considered i think i will be able to call this a success at the end.

esteban i got lucky with both my blackdogs. they took off 200 beans each because they were backordered when i put my order in and the website didnt show them as unavailable. the 360 was like $600 and change and i forget what i paid for the 700. im sure there will be knock offs out there. ive seen a few with same exact housing so the light wont be far off. still i think right now anyway if you find a cheaper one theres gonna be reason for it. i looked at it this way if i spend $4800+ a year in herb getting a grow set up will ultimately be cheaper so putting the money in to the lights, while painful, was money well spent. even with all my dicking around and adding a rdwc set up is still well below the $4800 limit set myself. blackdogs are awesome lights but there plenty of others around just ask weezard and some others.

[Esteban1]

Thanks, hey if that's your latest jpeg "I" would be a proud parent!!! Look n sweet. 2 :thumbsup::thumbsup: & then some


:S1:

[Mal420xl]

week 3 flower- seem to doin ok at least the healthier 2 anyway. the other 2 are still chugging along somehow. the newest one started showing some preflowers..its a girl...sweet. couple quik top shots until the light comes on later.

[Shovelhandle]

nice.
how long a veg?

[Mal420xl]

nice.
how long a veg?
tnx shov, 8 weeks on the veg

[tlranger]

Love those ladies, pics say a lot!! About led, and pruning. Looking very good.

[Mal420xl]

few more pics

[Mal420xl]

few more

[Esteban1]

Memorized by the purplish color..... Kinda like a deer in headlights


:thumbsup:

[Mal420xl]

Memorized by the purplish color..... Kinda like a deer in headlights


:thumbsup:

you mean a "deer in the led lights" lol

[Esteban1]

& "mesmorised" lol. Frigg'n "spell check" thinks for me! Checked out the "LED" marketplace & good setups cost 1000$ & up. Pros & cons in abundance but think that most peeps still prefer MH & other lower tech approaches if you will (not low tech by any stretch of the imagination) kinda like the ole reliable Diesel engine. Always gonna pull the heavy load!


:smokin:

[Mal420xl]

well mh and hps will always be around or at least for a good long while. once i get everything tweaked i think these lights will perform equal to their counterparts at the very least. they just have to get the cost down. i remember when hid was almost untouchable.

[Esteban1]

Yep, give it another year. At this point gonna work with what I got & of course the good outdoors. With that said like any new game in town it's expensive..... Period! So much to explore & so little time. Peace be upon you.

:abduct:

[Shovelhandle]

well, I don't know about HID lights being costly but they didn't come all set up with remote ballast and nice reflectors. We had to make do. In the UMass grow rooms 1975 we had two lamps per reflector, Sodium and Halide. The cooling was done by water jackets on the reflectors. You could stand there and watch beans grow!

[Mal420xl]

universities and commercial greenhouses were the only places i remember seeing them back then, everyone else i knew had swiped them from warehouses and apartment complexes.

[tlranger]

Govt buys allot just for the roads.

[Mal420xl]

couple trich pics

[Mal420xl]

newest plant scammed me. clever little bastards stipules are white on the edge so a tiny cluster of them looks like pistils til they get bigger and the male flowers peak out from behind. sneaky lil shit. not sure what ill do with it. no point in growing it out and risking my girls. probably too early and too small to use for much maybe ill try to make a small amount of butter out it......bah to the heap it goes.

[Shovelhandle]

yes, sneaky. I pre-sexed my first today. Male. Cut, wring, into the compost can.
Plants are five weeks old and just started 12/12 lighting under (2) 400 watt HPS. I just started eighteen seeds that will be my two outdoor plants. Seeds are hybrid and have been growing in the hills of Switzerland for the last seven years. I hope to find my new outdoor strain stock.

[Mal420xl]

sounds awesome shov cant wait to see that goin

[Mal420xl]

week 4 flower. still lookin good. even the two weaker ones considering. getting stinky too.

[Esteban1]

Don't mind the positive rant.... Just luv the different techniques employed by all on this site. May it be HPS, LED, FLURO's so on & so forth. Grow room technologies & the list goes on for miles. Read so much info on this forum/elsewhere & need to say its a beautiful thing. One day our children's children will say AWESUM things on how this counter culture "thing of ours" was pioneered & honed to a Fck'n science with little possibility of fubars! Said it before & will say it again, we're following our '60s forefathers dream of revolution & saying once & for all "I'm sick & tired and I ain't gonna take it no more". Most peeps i had known have since passed But if they are able to visualize would be impressed & proud. Their sacrifice has not gone to def ears. You can continue this ongoing struggle of oppression by screaming out the window "Im sick & tired and I'm not gonna take it anymore" BUT, be forewarned, this will lead to a 5150 in Cali or whichever psych hold # it is in your neck of the woods! Oh, right, back to the topic..... Mal, Sweet LED grow bro!!! Will post pics later in the day.

♫♪♪♫♪♪♪♪♫♫♫

:thumbsup:

[Mal420xl]

if the pistils and trichs are really an indicator...and we know they are... these may be 5-6 week flower maybe 7 tops. im seeing a lot more amber trichs and the pistils on
the top of the healthiest plant have started browning up....mostly on one side but i may have let it get a little close to the light also but it looks natural not burnt.

[tlranger]

My, looking mighty frosty, patience is suppose to be a virtue, and the pursuit of frosty bowls is worthy!

Is led speeding the process of maturing(even 6 is short to me)? Or will you need the time for good density?

[Mal420xl]

My, looking mighty frosty, patience is suppose to be a virtue, and the pursuit of frosty bowls is worthy!

Is led speeding the process of maturing(even 6 is short to me)? Or will you need the time for good density?

no i dont think the led has anything to do with it. i think its probably more due to the fact that they had early ph issues and grew a little slowly.
there are some that finish in around 5-6 weeks. as far as density goes. i gave the top of one the lagging plants a squeeze and it was pretty solid.
even the lower nugs are meaty. the light has great penetration from what i can tell. ill just have to keep watching the trichs.
i want about 30% amber or so to see what thats like. the other healthy plant looks like it may go closer to 8 but it seems more sativa like anyway.

[Mal420xl]

couple pics cuz i was bored

[Mal420xl]

found a lil nasty surprise while lookin over the girls. seems one of the ones struggling has some gender confusion.
yummy lookin from the front

291422

but the reverse angle reveals good old mr knish

291423

so if im lucky he dumped and hit very little or im in for a seedy ride....

[tlranger]

With all that gender confusion, hiding under the covers.

The new avitar is tough on my bad heart, it looks killer, got a name?

[Mal420xl]

With all that gender confusion, hiding under the covers.

The new avitar is tough on my bad heart, it looks killer, got a name?
its the bud in the pic above, just northern mexican aintgotnoname, but i just call her yummy!

[Mal420xl]

week 5 flower.
starting to see some purple on the leaves of the back 2. not like redish purple on the stems but blueish purple. probably because the temps with the lights off is 62 or so. very cool lookin tho.
they stink something fierce. its almost nauseating. smells a little like fermenting corn and a skunk. its strong enough to taste it and that reminds me of liver..... minerally bloody taste...sorta not quite that bad but similar.

[Mal420xl]

more

[tlranger]

week 5 flower.
starting to see some purple
they stink something fierce. its almost nauseating. smells a little like fermenting corn and a skunk. its strong enough to taste it and that reminds me of liver..... minerally bloody taste...sorta not quite that bad but similar.

My, they look familiar, bring them in to early and better half complains of cat piss smell. If this is plain old med, it's a wonder we started growin

[Mal420xl]

fortunately i like the stink it reminds of my uncles still. that smell to me is ..........VICTORY!!!!!

[Mal420xl]

week 6 flower
boooooo! found a few seeds starting due to the damn hermied plants. so far not too many tho.....bah. only good thing is they will have a higher chance of being female....and now i wonder if the hermie isnt bred in to guarantee another crop...probably not they were only on the least healthy 2.....so far that i can see. the better 2 are so dense i couldnt find them without cutting crap out of the way. dont matter at this stage anyway. will get some pics posted as soon as i stop weeping like a little girl

[Esteban1]

Just had a peek, very psychedelic! Do ya have a leak in the tent or possibly just genetics?

:thumbsup:

[Mal420xl]

no it was stress induced im fairly certain. i only found a few hermies on the less healthy 2 plants the other 2 have none or if there are any they totally buried where id need scissors to find them. so far i only found seeds one 3 of them but i cant see the 4th escaping some in there.

[Mal420xl]

pics

[Esteban1]

Mal, seriously think'n 'bout grabbing a grow tent similar just wondering how ya control ur temps??

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[Mal420xl]

well in the winter i was using a small oil filled heater but im going to hijack an unused section of central ac/heat duct thats been shut off for years and pipe that in. right now i dont need any temp control since the weather has gotten warmer and the lights put out next to nothing for heat. i do have an 8" inline duct fan in both of the tents for venting and carrying stink out a window. funny thing is i know i am going to eventually build a room that can be moved and torn down at will. im gonna want more height after a few grows.

[Mal420xl]

plant with the white top is pretty damn close to where i want the trichs. probably let the flush i did run thru and chop it sun or mon. all together id say they have a week at best for the others to get there.

[Mal420xl]

damn why cant trichs grow the size of grapes

[tlranger]

plant with the white top is pretty damn close to where i want the trichs. probably let the flush i did run thru and chop it sun or mon. all together id say they have a week at best for the others to get there.

Was thinking time wise, probably getting close. But when you have something so pretty it's hard. Think of the enjoyment and the good your doing for the universe.

[Mal420xl]

the white top goes to a better place today. well into the dark for a day and then an hour or 2 of the sun so its last memories are warm happy. then it gets ugly.....so sad and yet..so freakin happy!

[Token LaRoche]

I like the hour or two of sun. Now, that's proper respect.

[KnowledgeIsPower]

ayo wat was the size of ur tent?
also wonderin why u didnt put the lights closer 2 the plant.
n not sure if it's finished yet, but.......
HOW MUCH U YEILD?!?!?! :D

[Mal420xl]

ayo wat was the size of ur tent?
also wonderin why u didnt put the lights closer 2 the plant.
n not sure if it's finished yet, but.......
HOW MUCH U YEILD?!?!?! :D

well tent is 4x4x6
the lights were as close they should be really. around 12- 14 inchesish, there is a sweet spot with leds, too close is no good and too far dont help either.
the trichs are right about were i want them(30-40% amber) so ..yeah its finished. not sure what your basing your guess on but there ya have it.
yield.....its not even cut yet much less dry so if i have to guess and i do, im guessing total plant weight will be a few ounces.....not much
but considering what it has been thru to get to this point, anything at all is just shy of miraculous. this grow was just a run thru so if i get anything im ahead of the game.
and i am 100% certain that it will be so much nicer than the trash compacted ancestors it comes from.

[Mal420xl]

white top is spiked, cut, trimmed and hung to dry. probably be at least a week before its dry enough to jar up. the other 3 are more sativa like and seem like theyre gonna take a while longer.

[tlranger]

Impressive looking top, bet it taste good, report will be interesting!

[tlranger]

Done passed the numbers I can do on my fingers and toes, but I'm thinking about 46 days, impressive. is that a result of led?

[Mal420xl]

must be ranger, other than the ferts in the soil i never gave it anything except than calmag and water. but it wasnt as large as it might have been if i hadnt had ph problems.

[MedicalTentGrower101]

the white top goes to a better place today. well into the dark for a day and then an hour or 2 of the sun so its last memories are warm happy. then it gets ugly.....so sad and yet..so freakin happy!

That is one bad to the bone cola, hairs are turning red very nicely, what's ur pojected harvest date. I see u started the thread in Jan.

U said no name strain, looks like u got a Sativa dominant Hybrid, just a guess, but I have seen the same growth on Skunk and Permafrost, 2 hybrid sativa dominant strains!!! Great job and props!!!

[Mal420xl]

That is one bad to the bone cola, hairs are turning red very nicely, what's ur pojected harvest date. I see u started the thread in Jan.

U said no name strain, looks like u got a Sativa dominant Hybrid, just a guess, but I have seen the same growth on Skunk and Permafrost, 2 hybrid sativa dominant strains!!! Great job and props!!!

thanks, one has been taken already it just went faster than the other 3. its an indica/sativa mix. the one i just chopped was all indica except near the top. the other 3 are more sativa like it seems. one is about maybe a week out the other 2 are seeded unfortunately so we'll see. i may let them go a little bit longer just to be sure the seeds are finished. nothing like feminized seeds...whether ya wanted them or not...

oh the veg was 2 months and so far flower has been as of today 7 weeks. i will post an update late with some new pics

[Mal420xl]

week 7 flower(yesterday)

the pics look much better in the album....the one pic was an accident but i thought it was trippy

[tlranger]

Bet they smell good too!!

[Token LaRoche]

Looking kick-ass, Mal. Is all that purple the real light?

I'm almost 5 weeks into flower after almost 8 weeks veg, so a bit behind you. Growth has slowed a bunch lately and I need to plan for some automation or harvest pretty soon.

[Mal420xl]

token that purple is how the camera sees the led light. i see it as essentially white until it hits a surface or reflects and then its a light purple tint. the plants do have some purple starting to show but i havent got very goo light down here and its hard to capture.
they do smell good ranger almost too good....almost.

[Mal420xl]

cracked the jars last nite to let air in and holy crap i forgot how good they can smell when curing. i cant wait to fire up a bud but i will wait... just until the trim and baby buds finish drying.
has a wicked scent. like industrial paint or solvents. but sweet at the same time....gahhhh its makin me drool.....again

2nd plant gets its time in the sun today...and the clippers tonite

[Mal420xl]

pulled the second plant a couple days ago. the last 2 go today. between the seeds and the trichs they are ready. so the brings my led grow to a close.
that leaves the question can leds grow serious herb.......of course they can. the proof is in the pics. for plants that suffered as much as these have to have
turned into nice, potent buds id say thats a success. given a healthy plant, a little co2 and some diligence and i dont see how these lights cant compete with hid.
density is there, trich formation etc. even with sick plants this is going to be some of the best herb i have grown and that includes most of my outdoor grows.....
ok not all, i did have huge plants a few times, that aside though i'll stick to that statement.
ill get some pics up later today of the final harvest. if i had to guess at a final weight and i do at this point, of smokable material. its probably going to come in around 3- 4 ounces of bud
and no idea what the trim and leaf will be. ounce dried maybe. dont matter it goes to hash or oil anyway.

[Shovelhandle]

Good job! How about some bud shots in the light of day sometime?

[Mal420xl]

workin on it :stoned:

[tlranger]

:jointsmile: Damn fine job there!!

[Esteban1]

Really, what's not to like?

:thumbsup:

[Mal420xl]

sun didnt exactly cooperate but i got some more natural light shots and a couple with halogen. most of them came out ok. couple of the white top, the sun was out nice that day.

[Esteban1]

One shot looks like a menorah lol!

:thumbsup:

[Mal420xl]

l'chaim!

[Shovelhandle]

coolio!