Need Help Before Flower..Please Help!!!

[RobotSmoking]

Im a first timer here and I want to put my girl into flower A.S.A.P. due to space restrictions in my grow box...I read that I shouldnt put my plant into flower before i fix a few of the current problems I've been having during Veg. Im dealing with yellowing of leaves,,, Some Brown spots...and even what looks like Burned Tips! Any1 have any good advice on what i should do, or how to fix my current problems??? Time is of the Essence!!! PLEASE HELP!!!
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[RobotSmoking]

ANYONE?????

[Miles Monroe]

Photos are nice but you've given no information about how your plant got to where it is. How much light? What kind? What is your strain? What kind of soil are you growing there? How old is the plant? Was it a clone or seed? What is your watering/feeding program? Temperature? Humdidty? People will help if they have some information to process.

[ClosedLids]

personally I would flush with a little clear water that has sat for 24 hours then pour some more water that has nutes mixed in get good air circulation lights a tad bit closer veg for another 3 or 4 days and 24 hour darkness day after starting 11 on 13 dark.

[ClosedLids]

but as miles said i know nothing about your set up man. Thats just based of your pics. proceed with caution. get specifics up

[RobotSmoking]

Well like i said I'm a n00bie and this is my 1st grow... This was actually more of an experiment before i used my expensive seeds from ATTITUDE..But being that im so far into veg, i would like to reap some kind of yield!!! I used Miracle Grow Potting Soil with some Peat Moss and Manure (used for my tomato's) If i knew then what i know now i would start with a different soil.. Im currently on an 18/6 light cycle with 4-26w 6500k cfl's and 1-42w 6500k cfl and 1-40w 2700k cfl to give more of a full spectrum!! My girl is approximately 11weeks old from Bag Seed.. My temps are generally at 76° and 45 Humidity!! Early on i had a few pH issues and may have over-nuted... I have Advanced Nutrients Micro,Grow,Bloom(not pH-perfect line) ..But my whole feeding schedule is out of whack because i wasnt sure if i had nute-burn..or lockout..or Deficient?? Maybe just a high salt build up?? So I decided to flush my plant last night because i noticed my run off was orangey..And saw a thread where Stinkattic gave advice on flushing...Hope that helps...Not really sure on how to treat this plant... I dunno i'm confused...Id appreciate all the help i can get!!! Thanx alot Guys and Gals!!!

[ClosedLids]

Well like i said I'm a n00bie and this is my 1st grow... This was actually more of an experiment before i used my expensive seeds from ATTITUDE..But being that im so far into veg, i would like to reap some kind of yield!!! I used Miracle Grow Potting Soil with some Peat Moss and Manure (used for my tomato's) If i knew then what i know now i would start with a different soil.. Im currently on an 18/6 light cycle with 4-26w 6500k cfl's and 1-42w 6500k cfl and 1-40w 2700k cfl to give more of a full spectrum!! My girl is approximately 11weeks old from Bag Seed.. My temps are generally at 76° and 45 Humidity!! Early on i had a few pH issues and may have over-nuted... I have Advanced Nutrients Micro,Grow,Bloom(not pH-perfect line) ..But my whole feeding schedule is out of whack because i wasnt sure if i had nute-burn..or lockout..or Deficient?? Maybe just a high salt build up?? So I decided to flush my plant last night because i noticed my run off was orangey..And saw a thread where Stinkattic gave advice on flushing...Hope that helps...Not really sure on how to treat this plant... I dunno i'm confused...Id appreciate all the help i can get!!! Thanx alot Guys and Gals!!!

have you flushed before? if not then your right about the salt build up. the orangey run off could have been from the manure also. but yeah flushing is never bad unless your overwatering which doesnt seem to be a problem your having. watch for after splash when water leaving wat on leaves is like a magnifying glass for the light.

[ClosedLids]

also i noticed you have aluminum foil on the walls. watch for heat spots aluminum foil make it like a oven in the grow box so be careful make sure the air is reach all parts of the plants you do have a fan on it right?

[ClosedLids]

your feeding bloom nutes in veg? Nit def?? maybe sry things keep poppin into my head. N mg soil isnt all that bad people diss it but ill prob post som pics of a plant i have going using all mg products to make a point for growers.

[RobotSmoking]

This is the 1st time I'm flushing it..I'm just afraid to resume feeding it because someone told me i may have used the time released fertilizer.(i cant remember wut the bag looked like)..so im scared that by feeding it i can be over fertilizing..not sure if my logic makes any sense??

[ClosedLids]

yeah there is a chance that is whats happenening here.. how long ago did you start nutes? when did the yellowing start and browning start??? ill tell you what mg soil is nuted pretty well but if your problems started recently then its not that. unless you have been battling for awhile. But yeah flushing should help if it gets worse check ph n hit it with nutes and super thrive. super thrive will buy you more time to experiment and test the waters. Super thrive really does do wonders man and its under 10 euros

[ClosedLids]

did the soil have little balls in it like pink n white or whatever colors???

[RobotSmoking]

yes it did..almost looked like mini beads!!! And I have been battling this problem for a while...Cant get it under-wraps...Yet it Doesn't seem to be stunting in growth very much if any!! Leaving me very little time to fix and put into flower due to my space issue..

[ClosedLids]

yes it did..almost looked like mini beads!!! And I have been battling this problem for a while...Cant get it under-wraps...Yet it Doesn't seem to be stunting in growth very much if any!! Leaving me very little time to fix and put into flower due to my space issue..
OK so it looks like its going to be nutue burn. MG soil has nutes( the bead like things in it) that are slow time release. Which would explain why is has been a ongoing issues. to be honest man go buy some dolomite lime and next flush/ waterthing throw some in there at the top dolomite lime has a nuetral ph. this will help fix any unwanted ph problems. 10 dollars = 5 pound back you need 2 - 3 table spoons. BUt yea its prob just nutes burn best you can do is water with clear or distilled water until the problem gets fixed man. you have good drainage right??? how big is that pot because you could use it for flowering but the strain i have has a sensitive root and likes space i have noticed that. My leaves will start to yyellow. Hence why i start and finish in 5 gallon buckets plus its easier. If the plant is too large my i suggest LST. only do it directly after you water about and hour afterwards... you want the stalk bendy. Dont worry i know you wont believe but you can bend that thing 90 degrees just do it slow and a tad bit at a time better safe than sorry. it will cause your branches to all start growing in one direction after have beening shortened. Other wise you could top or fim but veg regrowth and you want to flower so it would take longer to heal. Just LST. Tie a string around the base thicker nylon ones or anything would work as long as its comfy and does dig in the tie somethingthin to the top under the for or second node which ever has thicker branches. and bend the head under the other branches it will start to look a little funky but hey. plus your going to have to retrain the leaves because she is so big that way they all recieve light and are not lacking for a couple days. dont worry the top end tends to start growing sttraight back up after a day. they know where the light is coming from. this takes cconstant maintainence be prepared. Oh and plus expect to dedicate 30 min to your first LST just because of all your individual branching you can still LST right now you have watered to long ago but only bend it halfway today. PLus this will help with stem growth and slow down leaf growth for a 1-3 days. sorry man rolling a L while im writing back. BUt yeah no nutes man you prob wont need nutes till 2 or 3 week of flowering.

[ClosedLids]

Honestly man. i lie to you now when i say i would get stoned and pic those little beads out. not all of em but a good chunk you know. Yield all depends on your root system man. PLus if you have issues down the road bigger plant stronger nutes= more forgiving lol

[ClosedLids]

pics of LST everyone does it different i know i did. and let me tell you after 2 weeks my son got some scissors and cut the string. thank god just the string plant stood up now has a really nice stem. Not bad for a 3 year old lol anyways as far has he saved a flower you can also look at SCROG judst google man there are pics evvvvverywhere
Oh yeah dont decide to flower early man this plants withstand a lot but you have the right idea about fixing the problem first. MY boy had a 6 foot plant that yieldded 2 ounces dry with a HPS or MH whatever it was but it should have been A LOT more. patience man patience examples of LST below :jointsmile: burning one for your plant man im trying spiritual medicinal stuff to help you lol

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[ClosedLids]

do you foliage feed?

[RobotSmoking]

Cool man...I'll pick up some Dolomite Lime either later tonight or tomorrow morning see how that goes...I transplanted a while back, I'm currently in a 5 gallon bucket..So my roots should be fine ...So no nutes probably until 2-3 week of flower..how would i be able to tell, would my new growth start looking deficient?? My next water ill prob throw some Dolomite Lime on my soil and add a little SuperThrive..Does this sound like a decent idea?? Oh and I'm definitely going to look more into those LST techniques...I truly appreciate all the help you've been giving me man..You're my Hero lol..I'ma have to burn one up right now too, you made me feel left out lol

[RobotSmoking]

I've only foilar fed a couple of times with Epsom Salt...Other than that NO

[green fingaz 666]

its either wind burn from fan,is it a ocilating one !or it need nutes high in :n: pref ..good look

[RobotSmoking]

its either wind burn from fan,is it a ocilating one !or it need nutes high in :n: pref ..good look

No I dont have an oscillating fan...Just a cheap little 6inch fan i got at KMART...I do however rotate my plant every day...

[ClosedLids]

that 6 inch one is fine as long as your plant is wiggling. after your foliage feed did you dry the leaves? the light was most likely on... droplets of water on leaves are like a magnifying glass for that light. that could have been your issuue. The nutes you add into watering are you doing half strength one third strenth. i feel green fingaz because ive seen a plant that had this discoloration and brown spots. it was basically eating itsself because it wasnt getting enough nutes. Too be honest man you start brain storming and create a list test for those issues and cross them off as you attempt to fix them. these plants can take a lot. and like you said its your first grow. mizing your own soil will make a amazing different trust me just make sure you use topsoil manur and humus perlite and dolomite lime. people will argue about soil mixes it like how much sugar should be in the koolaid. what i gave you right there ive seen bagseed mids that had few seeds in it turn into some shit that smelled sour but was minty for the smoke. so dont be discouraged man. oh yeah 30 percent topsoil ive used scotts plain topsoil 3 bucks a bag 30 percent humus and manure again scotss 2-3 bucks a bag 30 percent perlite 5 dollars 10 percent lime 5 dollars. that mix you tend to water every 2-3 days depending if you leave water at the bottom in a drain pan. this mix allows you to grow the germinated seedling for 2 weeks then oyu can already start adding nutes 1/4 strength:) no nute burn. anyways man ill be back on later post some updated pics after your flush. Call of duty time.




Any advice given or anything said in this thread is pure fiction. on that note i observed this years ago im going off of memory.

[RobotSmoking]

I didn't dry it after i foilar fed, but the only 2 times i have was pretty close to lights out..so i doubt i really burned it too much...and i usually always give half strength nutes..i did give full strength once very early on like an idiot,..and i believe that definitely contributed to my problem..as long as all my new growth starts lookin good..i will probably put it into flower by the end of the week!!! This is what my girl looked like yesterday 12 hours after i flushed!!! I'll take some new pictures later on and give an update!!
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[RobotSmoking]

Here's what she looked like 2 hours ago...I think she looks a little better...but probably just wishful thinking..what do you think???

[RobotSmoking]

Here's what she looked like 2 hours ago...I think she looks a little better...but probably just wishful thinking..what do you think???

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[ClosedLids]

Dude to be honest man she looks like that flushed helped a lot.. those leaves that where already dying are gone... no bringing them back.so to my eyes those are invisible. But yeah your right a couple more days of observing new growth and you will start flowering:) the air is vented right it has some place to go???? a quick heads up man i dont know if smell is a issue for you but CVS sells 5 dollars citrus things ill get the name 2 of them last 1 week to 2weeks but mix with the sent so it smells like constant air freshner. But yeah start doing some research on all the nutrients you need for flowering. Not going to tell you because i already did and went to post and my whol post was deleted:( the googling will be fun anyways but my 2 cents... make your own... growth is slower at first but overall growth and production is better than liquid ferts that feed concentrates at the watering which show rapid growth until the next watering. most growers wont admiit it. but to keep that constant growth they groge there plants in ferts hence why there bud smells sour and tastes a tad but harsh. making your own gives you what my boy let me hit the other day.... smells like a skunk bathing in sour milk and tastes like a slight mint no matter how big the hit is its smooth on your throat. it was amazing!!!!!!!!! people will argue this also. im just trying to give you complete control over your plant. if you just want to buy something to put in there go cheap because everyone knows your not buying ingredients your buying brand.... plus buying some nutrients they dont tell you that you need additives. do some googling see what you wanna do. personal if i were you look into making tea.... /worm castings molasses and cannabis/ type that into gooogle and welcome to 3 hours of reading lol

[RobotSmoking]

dam...just noticed brown/ rust-like spots appearing on some of my new growth...magnesium deficiency??

[green fingaz 666]

u need oc fan

[ClosedLids]

Takes some pics. Also green fingaz has a point with the oc fan. But as long as the air is venting to somewhere and you constantly move the fans position on how it is blowing on your plants your good to go. What type of water are you using? tap water i assume? City water???? if its city water try letting it stand for 24 hours before watering. City water can be sometimes extremely hard lls<- no seriously its a bit too hard and call lock nutes out causing mag def. Either 24 hours standing or buy distilled water from the store.(side note you just recently did a flush so your water is prime suspect right now) Also you could have low PH i personally know that being naive to soil/water ph causes so many headaches that would otherwise have been a perfect simple grow.. Having the correct ph is the first step to diagnosing... however....... if your ph is fine then personally what i would do is get some epsom salt and throw a teaspoon or two of that in next watering. should help with the break down and absorption of nutes.

[RobotSmoking]

I have been using city tap water...i will start letting it sit over night...i just pHed my Soil..It's at 7..I was going to water in a half hour!! was even thinking about giving a very very low dose of nutes..because im starting to think my girl is just deficient!!! heres what she looked like 10 minutes ago..i want to cry!!!
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[ClosedLids]

yeah let it sit overnight tonight then add some nutes in in the morning? were you ever giving full strength??? i have had strains that took 1/4 then 1/2 strength then i didnt even measure anymore lol just poured. Plant just kept taking more and more. So to be honest it could be eating itself right now. well sucking the N from the leaves. you flushed not too long ago so the salt build up and nutes in the soil were also flushed. You have got the right idea adding nutes in now. Believe it or not the more mistake/solutions you try this time around will help prevent future grows from having similar issues. If you want instant satisfaction for her. Foilar sorry bad spelling feed her but about 5 min afterwards come backwith a couple napkins and just dab at the leaves to dry any water dropletes left. This is also prime time to smoke or talk to your plant so she can benefit from the co2. Are you taking any clones??? if you airlayer now you can experiment with one more plant in the flowering stage before moving onto your money seeds:) plus it gives you practice with taking clones which im sure you will do with the money seeds

[RobotSmoking]

thanks again for the advice man..ur a life saver..what exactly do you mean by airlayer???

[ClosedLids]

air layering clones is a method that leaves the clone attached to the mother so it can continue to grow and receive all it needs from the mother. plain and simple you scrape the outter layer of skin off the stem at a node where you would normally cut for a clone rub cloning gel over that area cover with sphagnum moss or wwhatever have wrap in plastic with zipties keep it wet give it two weeks ane the shoot that you air layered will have roots where you shaved it. you just snip it off under the roots planbt it in dirt and contine to veg it or flower it what have you. last two years its been popping up everywhere here are a couple links. this way works great if you only have one grow spot. air layering equals 100 success cloning rate. its also a easier method for genetics that dont take well to cloning. botttom line pick up air layering dude. you dont have to worry about humidy a dome etc/ plus when you snip it it already a good sized plant and it never experiences shocl. here are a couple links that explain it with pics. p.s i ran out of joint wraps store was out too so i have to face a blunt... im blowing your plant a a O or two so it rewards you with 4 lol.

Air Layering - Root clones without cutting! - Grasscity.com Forums (http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-growing-techniques/375063-air-layering-root-clones-without-cutting.html)

^ best page with hd pics. shows exactly what you need to do. you can put your own twist on it too if you want. normally you do 1 or two at a time but your sized plant you could do 4 or 5. start with 1 or 2 though just so you can see how she responds. i bet you were going to lollipop your plant anyway right???? why not get 4 or 5 little plants you can flower too:) and instead of 4 grams get 8 or 9. or reveg the suckers.. which will take a week two tops because the root system is already developed. just make sure if you are revegging after you cut it from the mother to clean the buds off. I have noticed the reveg process is atleast 5 days faster this way

[ClosedLids]

o i forgot to ask??? hows your humidity??? if your temps are high and causing burn because you have a stand position fan. if i were you id get a goodsized cup of water and just set it in there. raise the humidity your plant will be more forgiving with heat stress.

[RobotSmoking]

My temp is generally at 75 and humidity around 45... Problem seems to be getting worse..Heres a couple of pictures i took an hour ago
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[billydakid6812]

If you aren't using ur own mix soil then I double t u have much perlite in that soil..dude I had ur same exact problem and I agree with everything he is saying no one gave u bad advice here.. but I believe that ur problem is ur roots aren't getting enough oxygen..with no perlite your soil is prolly pretty compact underneath the top the perlite fluffens it up so more air gets down in the soil...not only does it do your roots good but this also lets you feed nutes and water more often because the airflow dries the soil out much faster...I'm not against miracle grow..but I am a firm believer that if you don't mix soil right you will at some point encounter problems sometimes a fresh start levels the playing field for you if it is ur soil that's the problem you have a huge disadvantage u could try fixing everything and end up doing to much and really destroy the plant or turn it male..my suggestion to you is go buy some FF soil some perlite to fluffed it up and start fresh with a new pot of airy fresh soil..it could only make things better I had ur same problem and fresh soil fixed it...good luck ur plant has real potential

[billydakid6812]

@ closedlids that cloning method is genius good shit!

[ClosedLids]

billy has a point with the roots need oxygen. you dud just transplant into the five gallon right? but yeah to be honest man try that or its def heat stress that aluminum foil believe it or not does have hot spots.... ive seen a melon cook itself lmao..... pantry beside the pantry:)

[RobotSmoking]

I think my problem is that my pH is a little too high...i think im getting locked out and then burning my plant every time i water since the time-released ferts are feeding it when it cant uptake the nutes....i'm probably wrong being the n00b i am, but this sounds like it could be a possibility in my head..lol what do you guys think??? how can i lower my soil pH??? plant looks like its getting worse i got to correct this fast!!!
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[RobotSmoking]

a little help please

[bedrik]

These are unique things you shared with us.

[RobotSmoking]

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[billydakid6812]

go to a plant store and buy ph down. Some people use baking soda too, though I would use the ph down its like ten bucks, go get it and save your plant