Grow Complications.

[Hemphiliac]

Not sure where to put this category, since it's now outdoor, I have a problem, and I'm a novice with a lot of "Study" experience.
ANYWAYS!
So, I'm new to this forum, and the only other Cannabis related forum I've been a part of was an autoflowering one. I've done multiple grows, yet each time they either get into flowering, I either get found out by an intolerant neighbor or the plant dies due to nute lockout. Anyways, My neighbor moved out finally (Thank God.) And now I've been trying to do a grow of "Exodus Cheese" and "Super Lemon Haze" in peace, but unfortunately that hasn't really been working out. My SLH plant is about 8 weeks alive, still in Veg state and appears to have stunted growth while having some problem beyond my novice expertise. the bottom fan leaf is getting droopy and yellowing, as well as having spots of I don't know what. Someone please help, I just finally want a completed grow. :(

I've been using 5-1-1 fish emulsion, 1 TBSP per Gallon of Water.

Oh, they also have been transplanted from my greenhouse to an isolated spot with more sun. Kinda different grow medium, more hummus, ferts, and such since I attempted an "Above Average Soil" from nearby sources rather than Super Soil because I just don't have enough time in my day to dedicate to go through the process of making it.

Anyways, Pics now.

Sorry for the bad quality, I had

[Hemphiliac]

I had to use my phone at the moment*


Lol.

[Hemphiliac]

Someone please help! My plant is getting progressively worse. :(
I just want something to harvest this year, since all I may do is outdoor.

[Hemphiliac]

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[silent leprechaun]

Looks to me like you have a PH problem or an over nute issue.

Sometimes the over fertilising can cause this PH fluctuation.

Maybe stop fertilising and put the plant in a place that isnt too shaded. Give the plants a good flushing with distilled water if you can find it.\

Hope this helps.

Take Care

S.L.

[Hemphiliac]

Thank you! Will try!

[Johnnycannaseed]

From what you have said and looking at 1 of your pictures of the plant I would say your plant is lacking in Nitrogen, The Symptoms are exactly as you described here and they include poor plant growth, and leaves that are pale green or yellow because they are unable to make sufficient chlorophyll. Leaves in this state are said to be chlorotic. Lower leaves (older leaves) show symptoms first, since the plant will move nitrogen from older tissues to more important younger ones, my advice is to switch to a decent NPK fertiliser, brands I have used with good results are House & Garden, Canna and Advanced Nutrients, good luck and hope this helps.

[GaGrown]

On ya next grow outdoors... Add some lime to your soil a month or 2 before ya plant.. Turn it under really good.. It'll neutralize your PH.

[silent leprechaun]

I would say your plant is lacking in Nitrogen, my advice is to switch to a decent NPK fertiliser.

This is a picture of a nitrogen deficiency:

The picture Hemp showed us is not the same as a nitrogen issue...

This is a picture of a nute burn: [ATTACH=CONFIG]285250

And this is a picture of a PH fluctuation: [attachment=o285251]

Do you really still think that it is a nitrogen issue ? Where did the burning come from on the leaves ? Why is that there ? Lack of nitrogen doesn't do this. With a lack of nitrogen the leaves become yellow and drop off.

Dont you think it looks like more of the 2 issues I mentioned ? It took me all of 5 minutes to find pictures of these issues.

You advised Hemp to add more fertiliser... Are you sure he should do that ?

How much work did you put into finding the answer for him ? Or was it just an opinion ?

Just curious...considering you told him to do the exact opposite of what I advised..

[Hemphiliac]

But how would my plant lack Nitrogen with 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion?

[GaGrown]

But how would my plant lack Nitrogen with 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion?


That is a very low NPK rating... You should use 20-20-20... Mix a gallon of full strength... Then pour half in another jug and fill with water.Use that to water with... Only do this every other waterin'..Just plain water inbetween waterings.

[Johnnycannaseed]

QUOTE=silent leprechaun;2230240]This is a picture of a nitrogen deficiency:

The picture Hemp showed us is not the same as a nitrogen issue...

This is a picture of a nute burn: [ATTACH=CONFIG]285250

And this is a picture of a PH fluctuation: [attachment=o285251]

Do you really still think that it is a nitrogen issue ? Where did the burning come from on the leaves ? Why is that there ? Lack of nitrogen doesn't do this. With a lack of nitrogen the leaves become yellow and drop off.

Dont you think it looks like more of the 2 issues I mentioned ? It took me all of 5 minutes to find pictures of these issues.

You advised Hemp to add more fertiliser... Are you sure he should do that ?

How much work did you put into finding the answer for him ? Or was it just an opinion ?

Just curious...considering you told him to do the exact opposite of what I advised..[/QUOTE]




I hope this does not come across as condescending because that is not my intention, I have been growing in excess of 20years and I speak from experience and knowledge gained from that experience, it is nitrogen deficiency that his plants are suffering from looked at the paleness of the leaves, as I have already stated his lower leaves have gone chlorotic hence they are the first to go yellow and drop off (a classic symptom of Nitrogen deficiency)

If you want a technical explanation Nitrogen regulates the plants ability to make proteins essential for new protoplasm in the cells, Nitrogen allows the plant to tie proteins, hormones, chlorophyll, vitamins and enzymes together, it is also essential for the production of ammino acids, enzymes, nucleic acids, chlorophyll and alkaloids. This is why nitrogen is such a key component of any fertilizer as it is mainly responsible for leaf and stem growth, as well as overall size and vigor hence his plants being stunted and refusing to grow.

One or two or in your case three nutrient deficiencies will have a knock on effect as to how the other nutrients get metabolized by the plant and will cause other nutrient problems in the plant in time, just as an excess of one nutrient can inhibit the uptake of another its all about getting the right balance hence why I recommended those nutrients to you

Soil to hydro ratios will vary considerable as to amounts you should be giving, but personally I think your 5.1.1. ratio is not ideal, in a veg state in soil I would try and aim for at least a 12.5.15 ratio possibly higher depending upon what strain you are growing so always check what your plant and its leaves are saying to ours.

I hope you can salvage yours plants Hemp and if you have any other doubts or queries then give me a shout as I would be happy to pass on what I have learnt.