Dr.Payne's & Dr Shaggy 's 250Watt Cfl Grow Journal (Picture Heavy) D.I.Y

[Dr.Payne]

Hello and Welcome to Dr.Payne's & Dr Shaggys Grow Journal!

So settle down, grab a with us and enjoy the ride

Please Excuse Us if days/pictures are missing we never intended to start a journal it also gets rid on the NOTHING NEW on days when there not much to report

The Info bit
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Start Date : 02/05/2012



Clone/Seed : Seed



Strain: 'Bag Seed' (Yes there i said it)




Amount planted : 2x



Sativa/Indica : Indica from my perspective



Soil : Plant magic Surpreme



Planned time : 16weeks (give or take)



Lighting : 1x Red Cfl 250watt (Maxi Bright) "Future plans for 1x 250watt blue"



Light Cycle : 24Hr Veg 12hr Flower



Nutrients : At the moment we are using Doff's Indoor Plant food (7.7.7 NPK) and 'stinging nettle tea' We plan to move to Plant Magic Old timers Bloom and Veg (organic)



Case size : 3 1/2 ft wide 4ft tall 1 1/2 ft deep Kitted with 4 12 v pc fans hooked up to a

​12 volt 5amps dc Mopped battery charger (no more phone charging leads )


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THE START Day 01
So Here we go time for the pictures

http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4718&d=1339099333

So here is the 'case' this picture was taken on day 1. Its pretty basic with no ventilation!
(EDIT: Case has been improved waiting on pictures) it now has 5x Pc Fans 12v 1 Intake 1 Out Take 1 for room and plant air circulation & 2 for keeping the cfl nice and cool (to pro-long the life)
It started life as a 6ft double wardrobe from someones front yard.
Oh yes the shade is top of the range scrap wood Coated with a white hard board interior (A little intuition can go along way)

DAY02

Still no sign of seedlings

DAY 03

Now the Excitement starts, with seed # 1 breaking the soil

http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4719&d=1339109578



Day 05
Seedling #2 Broke the soil two days behind Seed#1

Day 07
And there off, not much to report just the 1st sign of some new leafs
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4721&d=1339112066
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4722&d=1339112081

[Dr.Payne]

Day 08

Just another picture update
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4723&d=1339112239
S#1

Day 09
Here's a picture of them chilling doing there thing
MJSmokers (http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4725&d=1339112345)
Left S#1 Right S#2 See the difference ?

Day 10
Nothing to Report

Day 11

http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4726&d=1339112458
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4727&d=1339112471
S#1 top Doing just fine S#2 bottom A little behind

[Dr.Payne]

Day 15
Well over the last four days we had some extreme heat and due to bad ventilation at the timewe had some problems...
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4728&d=1339112571
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4729&d=1339112587
^ S#1 top it hit hard ^ S#2 bottom Being small we didnt think would make it

Them Both

Day 14 - Day 19
We cant seem to find the pictures as of yet but if they appear they will be uploaded
So Between these dates we improved the ventilation as-well as keeping a close eye on them

Day 20

Well For some reason the picture goblin is back and stole the picture of S#2 if he on the picture returns we'll be sure to have harsh words.
But on the bright side this is what TLC can do :
I present S#1 *Drum Roll Please*
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4731&d=1339112694
Alot can happen in 5 days

[Dr.Payne]

Day 20 - Day 27
Well they have responded like troopers and shot up, we had to do our 1st re-pot on Day 21 due to the roots adventuring out the bottom of the pot. No more heat or damage to report
(Insert pictures here)

Day 28
Well ready to be amazed? no probably not but its worth a shot?
Well this is as of yesterday Seed#1 in the black pot Seed #2 in the red pot
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4713&d=1339107875
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4714&d=1339107981
S#1
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4715&d=1339108323
S#2
We have started to LST and have trimmed a leaf or two to allow light down to the lower nodes, (Pictures (Coming when the camera is back)

We have super macro photos that we will be added as soon as the camera is back.

So thats it for now folks all advice and comments are taken on board and are much appreciated, we still have no signs of sex but we are pretty sure there females, (crosses fingers).

We would like to ask a couple of questions:
1. Are they Indica's or Sativa's
2. When to Flower?
3. Overall health and what can we improve on?

Please feel free to C&C and Follow us!
Thanks for Viewing Our Grow Journal
:hippy: Dr.Payne and Dr.Shaggy :hippy:

[Dr.Payne]

Day 30
Ok so as we stated before we have started to LST S#1 & S#2, and the results in a 12-24hr period is quite surprising, Well see for yourself.
S#1
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4945&d=1339198924
S#2
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4946&d=1339197249&thumb=1
And here is the sticky tape technique
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4947&d=1339199068
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4948&d=1339199112
Simply Take a shade leaf pull it (don't be scared the worse that can happen is a snapped leaf or leaf tip) We prefer this method due to us not seriously damaging the plant if something goes wrong!!
All you have to do is get that damned sticky tape and get sticky...or stuck! stick the shade leaf down with a good pull until you can feel the stress on the stem (main stem) and then STICK stick like you've never stuck before. and WALA!

We hope this has shed some light on this method, if anyone has any other suggestions feel free to comment, we are here to learn and progress our knowledge with fellow growers to help us all become better educated and to become better growers

Thanks Again
:hippy: Dr.Payne & Dr.Shaggy :hippy:

[WeayLay]

Dr. Payne, none of your pictures/attachments work for me.

[Dr.Payne]

Greetings, Wow really? They all seem to show for us :S does anyone else have this problem
Also please let us know if the pictures of DAY 31 shows up,

DAY 31
Here's today's update:
So we really 't done much just watered with nutrients, The LST has taken hold, here is a shot of S#1 LST
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5143&d=1339269601&thumb=1
And Seed #2 LST
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5144&d=1339269702&thumb=1
Yesterday We also Re fixed the light into a better holder no more slanted light

Here's them both on DAY 31
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5145&d=1339269808&thumb=1
S#2
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5148&d=1339269931&thumb=1
S#1
http://www.mjsmokers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5154&d=1339270044&thumb=1


Well that's all for today folks!
:hippy: Thanks Dr.Payne & Dr.Shaggy :Hippy:

[WeayLay]

They really aren't working. The reason why they're working for you guys could be because you have permission to see them.

[Dr.Payne]

Hey, Thanks for the reply, any ideas on how to get them up here? i can only attach Via URL, and i dont really fancy putting them up via image shack Etc

Thanks again
Dr.Payne

[Dr.Payne]

Ok we've found away but we our no longer able to edit the post's ?

Its all a bit weird, so i've added them below, We hope this works....

Dr.Payne

OK here goes,

Picture One/The Start

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284932t-img3045-small.jpg
DAY 03 Picture
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284931t-img3047-medium.jpg
DAY 07
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284929t-img3072-medium.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284928t-img3073-medium.jpg
DAY 08
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284934t-img3085.jpg

[Dr.Payne]

OK here goes,

DAY09
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284935t-img3103.jpg
Day 11
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284936t-img3170.jpghttp://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284937t-img3171.jpg
Day 15
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284938t-img3193.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284939t-img3195.jpghttp://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284940t-img3192.jpg

[Kalidank1]

thats more like it on the pics and it all looks good so far great job :)

[Dr.Payne]

Day 14 - Day 19
We cant seem to find the pictures as of yet but if they appear they will be uploaded
So Between these dates we improved the ventilation as-well as keeping a close eye on them

Day 20

Well For some reason the picture goblin is back and stole the picture of S#2 if he on the picture returns we'll be sure to have harsh words.
But on the bright side this is what TLC can do :
I present S#1 *Drum Roll Please*
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284941-img3274.jpg

Alot can happen in 5 days

Day 20 - Day 27
Well they have responded like troopers and shot up, we had to do our 1st re-pot on Day 21 due to the roots adventuring out the bottom of the pot. No more heat or damage to report
(Insert pictures here)

Day 28
Well ready to be amazed? no probably not but its worth a shot?
Well this is as of yesterday Seed#1 in the black pot Seed #2 in the red pot
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284942-img3287.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284943-img3288.jpghttp://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284944-img3290.jpghttp://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284945-img3291.jpghttp://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284946-img3292.jpg
Day 30
Ok so as we stated before we have started to LST S#1 & S#2, and the results in a 12-24hr period is quite surprising, Well see for yourself.
S#1
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284949-dscf4303-medium.JPG
S#2
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284948-dscf4298-medium.JPG
And here is the sticky tape technique
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284951-dscf4307-medium.JPGhttp://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284950-dscf4300-medium.JPG
Simply Take a shade leaf pull it (don't be scared the worse that can happen is a snapped leaf or leaf tip) We prefer this method due to us not seriously damaging the plant if something goes wrong!!
All you have to do is get that damned sticky tape and get sticky...or stuck! stick the shade leaf down with a good pull until you can feel the stress on the stem (main stem) and then STICK stick like you've never stuck before. and WALA!

We hope this has shed some light on this method, if anyone has any other suggestions feel free to comment, we are here to learn and progress our knowledge with fellow growers to help us all become better educated and to become better growers

DAY 31
Here's today's update:
So we really 't done much just watered with nutrients, The LST has taken hold, here is a shot of S#1 LST
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284954-dscf4321-medium.JPG
And Seed #2 LST
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284953-dscf4313-medium.JPG

Here's them both on DAY 31
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284956-dscf4323-medium.JPG
S#1
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284955-dscf4322-medium.JPG
S#2
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/dr-payne-albums-dr-payne-s-dr-shaggy-s-250watt-cfl-grow-journal-picture-heavy-picture284952-dscf4312-medium.JPG



So thats it for now folks all advice and comments are taken on board and are much appreciated, we still have no signs of sex but we are pretty sure there females, (crosses fingers).

We would like to ask a couple of questions:
1. Are they Indica's or Sativa's
2. When to Flower?
3. Overall health and what can we improve on?

UPDATE: Sorry for all the posts, i hope this works.... lousy 10mins on editing posts...shocking:wtf:
Please feel free to C&C and Follow us!
Thanks for Viewing Our Grow Journal

[Dr.Payne]

thats more like it on the pics and it all looks good so far great job :)

Greetings Kalidank1 thanks for stopping by.

Yes we managed it by adding them all to a album on here (Cant short cut this site...) and linked from there :)

Thanks for the compliment, we strive to provide the best we can for these little ones! We have also acquired a Blue Cheese Clone (hope it roots)

Thanks Again!
:hippy: Dr.Payne & Dr.Shaggy :hippy:

[WeayLay]

THAT'S more like it! :)

They look awesome man, nice LST. I thought I'd try to answer your questions.

1. They both look pretty similar as far as the leaf characteristics go... I'd have to say it's more of a indica, while it has some sativa characteristics.
2. You can flower whenever you deem it necessary to. Anyone of us don't really know your setup that you're growing those beauties in. I mean, I can see that it's some kind of drawer, but I don't know how tall it is. Giving us the setup pictures would help determine when to switch over to flowering. But it does seem like you have adequate room for now.
3. They look really healthy man. I doubt I could even give you advice on improving... Do you plan to ScrOG?

[Dr.Payne]

THAT'S more like it!

They look awesome man, nice LST. I thought I'd try to answer your questions.

1. They both look pretty similar as far as the leaf characteristics go... I'd have to say it's more of a indica, while it has some sativa characteristics.
2. You can flower whenever you deem it necessary to. Anyone of us don't really know your setup that you're growing those beauties in. I mean, I can see that it's some kind of drawer, but I don't know how tall it is. Giving us the setup pictures would help determine when to switch over to flowering. But it does seem like you have adequate room for now.
3. They look really healthy man. I doubt I could even give you advice on improving... Do you plan to ScrOG?

Greetings!
The case is 4 foot tall 1 1/2 deep and 3 1/2 foot wide, (started life as a Double wardrobe)
Thanks its real good to hear that we try to provide the best we can for these!!
ScrOG yes we have been playing with the idea just a few more kinks to work out!

I will update with more pictures tomorrow, the LST has worked a treat and now we are on stage two of LST, They responded real fast!

Thanks
:hippy: Dr.payne :hippy:

[WeayLay]

Updates?

[Dr.Payne]

Updates?

Greetings again Weaylay,
Yes we have some updates, but for the last two days we have not been able to access this site due to it saying "server timed out" etc,
And now we can get on here...every photograph that we try to uploaded displays a "?" *confused* But as soon as the pictures display we will post them!
Sorry for the delay in update, but we don't like to update if no pictures can be seen!
BUT we have to say there has been some growing going on and some even more LST! ;)

Stay Tuned For More

:hippy: Dr.Payne & Dr.Shaggy :hippy:

[WeayLay]

Good to hear! Yeah, this forum isn't too reliable, but I'm sure that the mods and the owner are working hard to make it as reliable as it is. I expect updates as soon as possible!
-Lay

[Dr.Payne]

Good to hear! Yeah, this forum isn't too reliable, but I'm sure that the mods and the owner are working hard to make it as reliable as it is. I expect updates as soon as possible!
-Lay

Yea we kind of figured that, still no luck with the picture uploading, its really starting to annoy us, i appreciate that they do all they can :) but damn...we cant update :(!!

On another note! Today we topped S#2 while leaving S#1 un-topped to see what our final result is between the both plants! Should be a good one :D

We have also trimmed back a few shade leafs as-well as lobbed a few off that was shading to much light to the lower nodes!

Currently they both look like strawberry plants (the way we've Lst to fill the pot).

Both are healthy and doing well Pictures will be along As soon As possible

:hippy: Dr.Payne :hippy:

[WeayLay]

That's a shame to hear. Maybe contact one of the moderators and find out what's wrong?

-Lay

[Dr.Payne]

Greeting again WeayLay its good to see you still keep dropping by :D

We can not contact a moderator because we do not have permission to Send a Pm... apparently...so instead we used the contact us at the bottom of the site and wrote direct to the admin...or so it tells us.

Heres a Picture of the current set-up Minus...plants due to being hosted on a free image site... safety and all!
Its Shows that we now have our current 250watt CFL mounted in the shade and a 125w mounted for under foliage growth (Maximizing light coverage)!!

As you can see we ran into some trouble....4 of the 8 tubes failed to ignite for some bizarre reason, So...we unplugged the light and plugged in back in....no luck, changed the Cable....still no luck each time the anger levels increased untill after a :stoned:. So we decided F*ck it we'll buy another 125w to take us back up to 375watts! Thats was Sunday

Untill today... with the task of cleaning up the garage underway and things being un-plugged and plugged back in we decided time to do a check up. So we opened the doors and BAM heat loads of the stuff came rising out....and then we saw it...all 8 tubes.............WORKING!!!! (got to love the little suspense added there :P)

The only explanation we can come up with is a lousy ass crap plug....on our main Lead in....damn thing!
Nearly cost us £30 for a replacement when one wasn't even due!!

CLICK THE PICTURES FOR A BETTER LOOK!
Picture to is of the bulbs off! just so you can see them!
So this time something worked in our favor!!! (Unlike the picture uploading here)
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/t/tn8bh.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/tn8bh)
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/t/68aq1.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/68aq1)



Thanks
:hippy: Dr.Payne :hippy:

[WeayLay]

Wow, it's frusterating how one little thing can ruin the whole thought of the light eh? Haha, I'm glad it's still working, and they look like they can grow some seriously nice cannabis! They look huge too! I never thought that they were THAT big.

Nice update, still in tune for the plant update.

-Lay

[Kalidank1]

Looks great man I'm going cfl also but couldn't really find those kind of cfl s here wondering where I can locate some myself

[WeayLay]

Look at your local hydroponic supply store, and if it's not there, then you'll have to order online. You can find the answer on google.

[Dr.Payne]

Looks great man I'm going cfl also but couldn't really find those kind of cfl s here wondering where I can locate some myself

Greetings thanks for stopping by :)

Yes Just as WeayLay said look at a local Hydroponic store on google or just simply google 125w or 250w cfl, we would link a link but the forum restricts links to outside stores (as we found out after a warning).

UPDATE:

DAY 48

So after some root-bounding that happend over the last few days we set about re-potting them into 10liter pots.

We also mixed Bat guano ( a new thing for us) into the soil to help with the Potassium (P) rating when flowering!

S#2 has responded well to the topping, but we think it took 48h to figure out what was going on!
S#1 hasnt stopped growing, we've removed the LST on the main stem and started the LST on the side branches of both plants!

No Signs of sex from any of the plants, but they are entering flowering from Sunday at 6am.

We are going to go down the 12/12 road, its worked well for us in the past so we'll stick to it! :D

We are going to carry on the Plant Magic Oldtimers Grow 5-3-3 (NPK) Rating, For the first two weeks of flowering, (The major stretch time) then use Plant Magic Oldtimers Bloom 3-5-4 (NPK) for the following weeks until the last two weeks.

http://www.hyjo-hydroponics.com/ekmps/shops/hyjoltd/images/plant-magic-old-timer-organic-442-p.jpg

Still no pictures due to the site still messing around :S if there is some safe way to host them please get in touch!

Question time:
1. How long would you recommend for flowering?

Thanks
:hippy:Dr.Payne & Dr.Shaggy:hippy:

[CFLhydro]

We are going to carry on the Plant Magic Oldtimers Grow 5-3-3 (NPK) Rating, For the first two weeks of flowering, (The major stretch time) then use Plant Magic Oldtimers Bloom 3-5-4 (NPK) for the following weeks until the last two weeks.

I like your style. You've obviously grown before and listened to the plants. Looking good so far!

[Dr.Payne]

Greetings all!
Sorry its been such a gap in the updates, life has made it hard to get time!



Things that have happened:
We re-potted them into 10l round pots, and then set there flowering cycle, which started on the 24/06/12
We are using the standard 12/12 route, the currently sleep between the hours of 6am-6pm and then are awake from 6pm-6am, we figured being outside we will have the lights on between 6am-6pm due to the cold patch that hits around 4-5am.
The days are usually hotter so we don't need to worry so much about the heat!


Ok so we have S#2 after its 1st night of sleep, which has been topped & LST'ed , there are some extreme differences between the two (Topped v Non-Topped)


we have S#1, after its 1st night of sleep, this one has not been topped hence the (Topped V Non-Topped) this ones slightly taller aswell as more close nit bush wise!

As of today, they have been re-potted once more, into 50l rubs for the depth and width (as-well as a case re-design...*so much work*, picture will be added soon, they are also in the last night of sleep for week 1 into flowering, No signs of sex yet, but its still early, they have shot up over a week by 2-4".

We mixed Bat Guano into the soil (first time for us) and they have seem'd to respond quite well. We have also trimmed back some of the fan leaves due to them shadowing other head sites, we have decided not to remove any of the leaves just trim them down to allow more light down in!

Sorry for no pictures yet of there current state, but we can say they are looking good,
we will upload pictures as soon as possible!

Thanks again all for stopping by, if you have any questions you would like to ask feel free to leave a PM or reply below!

Thanks
Dr.Payne

[WeayLay]

Any updates? It's been a while.