Test Tomorrow need advice

[Din]

I have a pre employment test tomorrow at 3:30pm and need a bit of advice, here's the back story

I'm 5'7, 140lbs, fast metabolism (although it has slowed the past few years, just turned 40) and have been a heavy smoker the past 25 years or so.
But over the past 2 years I've cut back quiet a bit due to my own "economic downturn"
Found out on Wed the 29th I would have to take a SAP 550 W/NIT by 5pm on Fri. 1st
The BAD news is I smoked a bit on the 27 and 28th. (3-4 grams and had not smoked for a few days before that)
The GOOD news I was able to get the test moved to by 5pm on 6-4 because I work fulltime and this is for a part time job and they understood I was unable to get time off.

So the Wed. I found out about the test I started drinking water like a mad man and ran down to the local headshop and got some Detoxify Green Clean not knowing that this was most likely a waste of water/money (I had not found this wonderful site yet).

I found out Thurs that the test could be moved to Mon the 4, so on Fri the 1st I Drank a normal amount of fluids and took a ATHOME drug test (from walgreens) that night around 9pm AND PASSED. (used mid stream had a light yellow color)

Did some more reading and found out you should test 1st thing in the morning so Sat drank a normal amount of fluids and got another test to take Sun morning. AND FAILED (went right in the cup darker yellow) And by "failed" I mean the line was so light that if I was a parent testing my kids I would have sent it off to the lab to confirm.
So of coarse I'm kinda freaking out Sunday and I went out and got 2 STAT 1 panel tests and again the line was so faint it's hard to say there was a line.
I understand that any line no matter how faint means negitive but when I say faint I mean it was really hard to see.

So after all the reading I've done here it looks like the Detoxify green clean is just a dilution method and I'm wondering is it ok to use that instead of the B-12 suggested in the dilution sticky.
The instuctions given to me at the headshop were to drink the green clean wait 15min then 32oz of water about a hour and a half before the test.
Very similar to the steps in the dilution sticky
Any thoughts or advice would be helpful

P.S. Due to lack of time, money, and "clean" friends, subbing is not really an option at this point.
Many thanks in advance

[Burnt Toast]

Those magic detox potions are actually a less effective means of dilution over N2's method in the "sticky" thread. Many of them do not contain creatine. And the ones that do contain creatine, it would do you no good at all when the product is consumed on the day of the U/A (in which youre required by the product instructions to do so). What those products dont tell you is that it takes 2-3 days for the body to convert creatine into creatinine in order for it to be present in the urine. Therefore, any creatine-loading must be done at least 3 days before the scheduled U/A.

BTW, the proper vitamin to use for urine "color" is B2 (Riboflavin). But it must be understood that with creatinine and specific gravity checks being the norm in recent years, color became the least aspect in determining an overly-diluted urine sample. Even samples with a nice yellow color to them can still be ruled "too-dilute" due to a low creatinine and S/G. With that being pointed out, maintaining a satisfactory S/G and creatinine levels while diluting is far more important than urine color.

Due to lack of time, money, and "clean" friends, subbing is not really an option at this point.
With your test being tomorrow, you actually have no time to take the proper steps in pulling off a successful dilute either.

[Din]

Well I guess the best I can hope for is a neg-delute result and hope I get a chance to retest
I did make sure I had some red meat over the last few days so maybe I'll get lucky.
Any thoughts on why I was able to pass a home test on Friday then fail the same test on Sunday.
I don't think the results on Friday were from dilution as I didn't drink that much water or anything else that day

[sunburstkid]

Well I guess the best I can hope for is a neg-delute result and hope I get a chance to retest
I did make sure I had some red meat over the last few days so maybe I'll get lucky.
Any thoughts on why I was able to pass a home test on Friday then fail the same test on Sunday.
I don't think the results on Friday were from dilution as I didn't drink that much water or anything else that day

You said that you passed the test on Friday at 9pm. You are much more likely to pass a urine test at the end of the day than with your first void of the day. Also, it is common to pass one day and then fail the next since the metabolites are released every day and some fats may have a greater concentration than others.

I've been clean for 41 days now. Up until day 21 I routinely failed at home tests. From day 21 until day 28 I passed, but on day 29 I failed. Since then I've passed every morning. I think I was a bit dehydrated on day 29 leading to a more concentrated sample. However, it goes to show that just because you can pass a test does not mean you are 100% detoxed. Staying hydrated, testing later in the day, and collecting mid-stream all contribute towards making sure your sample is clean.

[Burnt Toast]

Sat drank a normal amount of fluids and got another test to take Sun morning. AND FAILED (went right in the cup darker yellow) And by "failed" I mean the line was so light that if I was a parent testing my kids I would have sent it off to the lab to confirm.


Any thoughts on why I was able to pass a home test on Friday then fail the same test on Sunday.
You have misinterpreted the results of your Sunday test. Youve stated that the line "was so light" etc, etc; - it was still a negative. In order for the result to be non-negative, the "T" window must remain completely blank.


You said that you passed the test on Friday at 9pm. You are much more likely to pass a urine test at the end of the day than with your first void of the day. Also, it is common to pass one day and then fail the next since the metabolites are released every day and some fats may have a greater concentration than others.

I've been clean for 41 days now. Up until day 21 I routinely failed at home tests. From day 21 until day 28 I passed, but on day 29 I failed. Since then I've passed every morning. I think I was a bit dehydrated on day 29 leading to a more concentrated sample. However, it goes to show that just because you can pass a test does not mean you are 100% detoxed. Staying hydrated, testing later in the day, and collecting mid-stream all contribute towards making sure your sample is clean.
Anytime you take a home test, youd always use the first-mornings void when THCA concentrations would be at their highest. Taking the test at the latter parts of the day skews the results due to the fluids that are consumed during the normal course of the day. The fluid consumption dilutes the THCA concentration in the bladder to the point where the sample registers below the cutoff thresholds of the home test (that is providing that the THCA concentration is not too high).
The reason why a person tests negative at night, but fails the first-morning test is because the dilution phenomena is only temporary - once fluids ingested had all been voided out, the bladder is replenished with fresh THCA-laden urine by the kidneys, and thus the donor would resume testing positive for THC.

By testing your first-morning void, you are testing yourself under the "worst-case scenario" - again when THCA concentrations would be at their highest. So if your home test is a negative under that "worst-case scenario" (regardless of line intensity) , you'l pass a U/A given at any time.

[sunburstkid]

Staying hydrated, testing later in the day, and collecting mid-stream all contribute towards making sure your sample is clean.

I meant taking the real test later in the day, not the home test. Not sure what was wrong with my post...

[Din]

Thank you very much for the input.

Yes Burnt Toast I understand that I may have misinterpreted the 2nd test results but I was unable to get "the T line" to show up on a picture unlike the faint line in my 1st test that was easy to view in a picture. this made me very unsure it was really there.
So I may have "shot myself in the foot" so to speak because I did use the dilution method, just took the detoxify instead of b-2 or a multi vitamin. (based on it's ingredients detoxify seemed to be nothing more than a multi vitamin anyway). Made sure I was voiding ‘clear’ urine then took the detoxify and drank a 32oz gatorade.

Took the test and the Lab tech said good color, good temp. Yes I know the tests for S/G and creatinine levels may cause my sample to be consider diluted but getting a negitve-dilution result seemsed better than risking a positve unless this leads to an automatic failure, As I said I may have "shot myself in the foot"
Funny thing though is according to an article I found on the Mayo Clinic website Water: How much should you drink every day? - MayoClinic.com (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/water/NU00283) I should be taking in 3 + liters of fluids a day. That's like over 100 ounces. so today my well be the 1st time in my life I was properly hydrated LOL

One last question, when I got to the lab the tech said the "work order" was for a "split sample" ie. she had me fill the cup all the way up then poured it's contents into two seperate containers to ship to the lab. I'm guessing one for the drug screen and one for the S/G and creatinine tests. Is this correct?

I guess the good news here is this test is only for a 2nd part-time job (although it's a great opportunity foot in the door type situation) I'm not at risk of losing my current job/freedom over this
I'll be sure to post my result when I hear back.
Thanks again

[Burnt Toast]

One last question, when I got to the lab the tech said the "work order" was for a "split sample" ie. she had me fill the cup all the way up then poured it's contents into two seperate containers to ship to the lab. I'm guessing one for the drug screen and one for the S/G and creatinine tests. Is this correct?
No thats not correct. In split-sample collections, the sample is split into bottle A and Bottle B. Bottle A will be tested (drug check as well as the integrity check) while bottle B is put into storage. If bottle A is confirmed positive for a particular drug(s), and the donor decides to mount a challenge to the result, then Bottle B gets tested.

[Din]

Ahh didn't think of that.
thanks