Do you think I can pass at 20ng/ml?

[discgolfgirl]

re's my situation. It's now been 27 days since I last smoked. I passed at the 50ng/ml with first morning urine on day 21. Tried again on day 26 with first morning pee , and continued to pass -- but very very faint lines. I passed with an average mid-day dilute around day 18.

My test is five days from now on day 32. The reason I think I'm going to be given 20ng/ml is that it is a pre-employment screen in healthcare and another nearby hospital tests at this level, as well.

Stats:

Female, 5'9" 220 (so yes, overweight, average to slower metabolism). In the last month, I've worked out 2-3 times a week, pretty hard. I was a daily smoker up until about 3 months ago, where I backed off to mostly weekends (a joint or two).

Assuming I was at 49.9999 on day 21, and knowing what I know about the half life, worst case scenario is I'm at 25 with first morning urine day of the test. A light dilute should get me under?

Also, I have all the supplies to do a dilute -- creatine, b vitamins, etc. Should I just go for it, do say a half dilute to ensure passing?

Would love an opinion from the pros!

[killerweed420]

Seeings as how they are testing at 20ng it might be a good idea to pay for an independent lab test of your urine sample. I'm not aware of any strip tests that will test at that level. If you can find them buy a couple, otherwise have a lab test it for you. No one but you are allowed to know the results.

[discgolfgirl]

Thanks! I don't know that I have time to do that. I am hedging my bets and have some fresh urine from my son in the freezer and fridge to use. I've got my supplies to practice many test runs for subbing the next two days prior to the test. I'm going to do a light dilute, as well, as Plan B.

[discgolfgirl]

Just wanted to report this:

Another successful substitution story!

I wanted to post my story here, because forums like this one gave me the confidence and know-how to successfully sub myself.

I was 4.5 weeks clean and passing home tests at 50 ng for over a week, but since I could not be 100% sure that I was going to pass at 20 ng, I decided to sub. This was for a pre-employment screen for a killer hospital job and failure was not an option.

The key, like so many post here, is to practice, practice, practice!

As a female, at home I tried crotching it, putting it you-know-where (uncomfortable and just couldn't abide it) and finally chose to put the 3oz. lotion bottle between my ample bosoms with a heating pad rubber banded to it. The girls are large enough and the top I wore was loose enough you couldn't see a thing. I knew from practice that I could easily keep the urine at 100+ degrees and I found that it cooled down to body temp within a minute or so.

I got clean urine from my preschool-aged son two days ago and kept it in the fridge. No problems there, but not one of my proudest moments as a momma.

I went in to the test scared but I also have nerves of steel so I managed. I had to see HR first to do some paperwork and take my badge picture, all the while I have a bottle between my boobs! My drop was not a lab, but done by an occupational health nurse at the hospital itself. I dressed professionally, a confidence booster but also a bit of social engineering -- who expects an overweight, 40 year old soccer mom to fail a drug screen?!

Anyway, finally it was time and it was just like described here and the many pre-employment screens I have done in the past. Left my purse in another locked room and given the key. Didn't even ask me to empty pockets. The nurse showed me the restroom, put the drops of blue in the toilet, told me to not flush or wash my hands, and to set the cup when I was done on the counter and call her in. It had a temp strip on it so as soon as I closed the door, I poured to give it a chance to cool while I sat down to void myself in the toilet. By the time I wiped and pulled my pants up it was at 99 and with another 20 sec of blowing and swishing, it was at 98, so I called her in.

She came in, verified the temp and put it in the single sample bottle. We went to another room where I watched her triple seal it with my stickers, put it in a box and pull the other samples from the day out of the fridge to send off Fedex since mine was the last of the day. The sample is going to PAML in Spokane, WA. Told me the results would be available in two days. No worries here because I know my sample was clean as a whistle and she checked the temp box on my form as good.

Thanks to everyone for posting and I hope my story will add to helping future subbers! ;)

[Burnt Toast]

Congrads to you on a successful sub and welcome to the Sub Club.

I got clean urine from my preschool-aged son two days ago and kept it in the fridge. No problems there, but not one of my proudest moments as a momma.
Perhaps you should look at it from the bright side: Part of loving your child is being able to secure that job so he can have adequate food on the table, clothes on his back, and a roof over his head.

[discgolfgirl]

Congrads to you on a successful sub and welcome to the Sub Club.
Perhaps you should look at it from the bright side: Part of loving your child is being able to secure that job so he can have adequate food on the table, clothes on his back, and a roof over his head.

I actually do feel that way. And while I'm going to smoke on vacation this week, I'm going to stop for a while to focus on my new job. I can't take any chances like this again, at least until I'm at a job where I won't have possible tests. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do...

[killerweed420]

Great job discgolfgirl