first time n00b3ry

[h8 n00bz]

alright so me and tehpwn are growing some weed for the first time ever. weve been warned its very hard, but whatever fuck that im sure it is worth the effort. so tehpwn says i should up some pics and call it all setup/week 1.

so without further ado, click the attachments for our big setup/week 1:

[tehpwn]

I planted "edgesternicus" in the middle of the pot and as you can see it sprouted near the edge, any ideas why?

The other plant is named "beefsternicus" because its buff and beef looking, really punzlif.

Will try and keep it updated and hopefully we wont get 2 males ;)

[h8 n00bz]

buff punsleph is the man, hes got teh redstem and teh big leaves...but edge is bothering me, hes a runt for sure, better be both chicks or ima be pissed. oscar gave us runt seeds. untrustworthy mexican...

oh yeah, the main hood is about 2.5-3 ft. off the tops of the plants, but i think they should be closer, no? also, we have four fluorescent lights around the base of the roughly 4.5 x 3 ft. shower stall. we got little white bugs running about the surface of the soil, too...i think they came with the fertilizer/top soil stuff.

also the temperature is pretty high in there, often around 85 - 90 fahrenheit. that kinda bothers me...and one last thing: everytime you water, should you do it until it drains freely from the pot to ensure complete coverage?

thanks fer the halp..

[notanovice]

i just wish i knew what language it is, it`s greek to me.
:)

[mellow mood]

looks fine. but if i were you, i would center that plant at the left, the roots will have problems growin so close to the pot. what light u guys are usin? i would have planted more plants if u guys would put money on a 250w hps for example. anyway, good luck!

[HARDDON]

Yea the edge of the pot can get fairly hot and trust me, roots will bake in the hot soil.

If thats an HPS lamp, I would keep it where it is. The side flourescents are just a waster of electricity at this point so keep them off. Not needed until secondary growth starts.

When you water, yes, you want to see water from the drain holes...BUT...make sure its not water running between the pot and the soil. Have it drain, but water slowly to allow all the dirt to absorb the water...then when you see water from the bottom holes, then you will know it is fully watered.

You dont want to flush your plant every water, so just make sure you water, allow the water to be absorbed, water some more, allow absorption, water some more until it seeps out the sides then you have a well watered plant.

The heat requires you to exhaust vent out. You need to get the heat out of there.

What are your plans?

[tehpwn]

using a 400 watt mh at the moment and will switch to hps when flowering. we have 2 fans set up now, 1 large ocilating fan that blows air more around the hood, and a smaller fan blowing directly on the plants. so far 2 out 15 seeds germinated so thats why only 2 plants. will try transplanting edge to the middle soon.

[HARDDON]

Ok but remember, blowing Hot Air around the place isnt going to remove the heat.

Is this in an enclosed or open environment??

If closed, you need to take the heat out.

[h8 n00bz]

yeah its closed sometimes but i open it most of the day...i wish i could just turn it off whilst i sleep, but goldy aka tehpwn is pushing for 24/0 i want 18/6 that shit hurts my eyes at night. yeah ill kill the fluoros, too...and edge will move. ise it beneficial to ever water the actual plant or is that no good?

[smokinlowrider4u]

a few more things.go with the 18/6 dont do 24/0 for more then 2 weeks. You wull need to put them plants into a larger container i suggest 5 gallon bucket . This will allow the roots to dig deep for a stronger better yeidling plant.put it into 12/12/ when plant is half the size you want it to be when harvested. or around 6 weeks. also top at 4 node to give you couple main colas.somtimes i top at. 4 then top those at 4 and so on intill about a week before 12/12/... but everyone has there own way.

[tehpwn]

we only have about 4 feet of growing space from bottom of plant to the light hood so we cant grow tall plants, so i figured the smaller pot would suffice. i was thinking of going 12/12 when it gets to be about a foot tall, or about a week or two

[HARDDON]

Ok first of all you are a long way from needing bigger pots in my opinion. The pots you have can be used for quite some time. Tuff to tell from the pics, but a bigger pot is the least of your issues.

Smokinlowrider is correct with the 18/6...in my opinion. 24/0 is what some people prefer but I know my plants flourish under 18/6 and stress under 24/0.

Your space is enclosed, yet you leave it open?

Which one is it? Open or closed?

Make up the schedule and live by it. When you leave the unit open, you are allowing light to escape...

I said before, you will need to remove the heat....no ifs about it. a fan blowing and an open door doesnt remove the heat.

Get rid of the heat or the heat will get rid of the plants.

Good luck.

[tehpwn]

its in a bathroom indoors but the bathroom door is always atleast cracked, theres also an air conditioning vent in the bathroom that lets in a little cool air, thats about the extent of the cooling tho. only option is a small air conditioner or something i guess

[HARDDON]

While an AC will help, it can only lower the air it intakes by a certain amount of degrees. The larger the unit, the lower the air temp can be made.

The air around the light will be very hot.

Put at least one large fan blowing OUT of the bathroom.

Create negative flow and make sure one fan is blowing on the lights and another fan blows, or rather, pulls the air OUT of the room.

Hot air rises so see what you can come up with.

A more detailed view of your grow room would be helpful...

[h8 n00bz]

its basically just a regular shower stall bro, like 4.5 x 3 feet base, and i suppose a 7 or 8 foot ceiling.

[h8 n00bz]

i just wish i knew what language it is, it`s greek to me.
:)

its a local dialect of something called pure l33t. pretty much its the language of the gods.

[HARDDON]

I suggest you buy a good 250CFM fan and vent it into the attic. You could run some duct hose to the blower and right out the ceiling.

Just position the mouth of the intake hose vent right on the side of your light box.

Heat problem solved. ...you can get all you need at The Home Depot.

[h8 n00bz]

okay so heres the update...
as you can see about a week in we have edgesternicus looking runt but transplanted...are there any precautions we need to take to ensure a successful process.
beef punzlif is looking healthy, i hope hes a girl.
the rest of our shite seeds are pure mold. blech..

[smokinlowrider4u]

By looking at those pics. I still say you will need larger containers. If you grow a 3foot plant that equals to 3 gallons of dirt. that the minimum.

[h8 n00bz]

so a gallon a foot is about the norm? that sounds purt coo...;p

[darpin]

its a local dialect of something called pure l33t. pretty much its the language of the gods.

omg u sp3ak |33+ ???? pif da g00dz or i h/-\X0r t3h g|b50n!1!!!!!!!1111ONE

[h8 n00bz]

i invented this specific dialect, yes. l33t as a language i cannot claim my creation. but rest assured this is the most l33t version of l33t ever.
quite punzlif like buff..bunzlif even.

[theredeyedjedi]

What dialect?

[h8 n00bz]

okay here are some more pics. i think me and tehpwn are going to change around our growroom a bit to put in use some of the advice weve received last few days.

as you can see i have a big fan blowing out of the bathroom, and behind it atop the toilet is the ballast. on the floor to the left is a smaller fan that isnt in use yet, and a powerstrip with all our fluoros and the main hid.

zandor said to remove the foil so we will tonight.

i have a question about soil and when to water: do i go ahead and water when the top dirt looks dry or am i more concerned with deeper measurements?

also, beefs looking pretty good; but edgesternicus is bothering me fo sho. is it too early at this point to tell if edge is pure runt? i heard females grow slower -- is this any indication of my plant's sex? i just got a bad feelin bout ol edgerrin.

help is appreciated as usual....

and were not gonna be able to build a pipe hood and draw hot air out via the attic or attic fan. that would be too absurd an undertaking in my parents house, no?

;p

[h8 n00bz]

What dialect?

hahaha i dunno man im just fuckin around...sorry i suppose i oughtta stick to posts aboot growin..

but its our local dialect. its basically not leet at all, just pure ridiculous madeup words with insane 5 degree relationships to our absurd lives. i guess theres l33t in there tho..some anyways. punzl3d is a dervitive of pwn3d or pwnz3r3d or what have ya. shit like that. very ridiculous to be sure... :eek:

[h8 n00bz]

also i forgot to ask..
what kinds of fertilizers or treatments/plant food should we use? smething broad and locally obtainable in a common homedepot or lowes or walmart or somewhere like that.
what are the most important nutrients in these mixes?

[smokinlowrider4u]

soil- use plane plant poting soil you can get good stuff at green house or garden supplie store.
Watering- when the first 2-3 inches down in are dry then water throughly. You can buy a moisture meter at home depot, lowe, walmart.

but your main problem is growing in your parents home ,Inless they are ok with it.

[h8 n00bz]

soil- use plane plant poting soil you can get good stuff at green house or garden supplie store.
Watering- when the first 2-3 inches down in are dry then water throughly. You can buy a moisture meter at home depot, lowe, walmart.

but your main problem is growing in your parents home ,Inless they are ok with it.

nah neither of them will know. my house is big enough... :)

[smokinlowrider4u]

Ok i you are comfortable with it then give it a go. But if you get busted by authorities. They are as responsiable as you are. Your parents would be ok have there home seized? Ok good luck keep us updated..

[HARDDON]

Let me see pic of your light setup. It is in an enclosed shower stall with the glass door open all the time?

Couple more pics would be nice.

Sex? There is no way to tell sex at that age. Growth rate is irrelevant.

Looks good so far.

[h8 n00bz]

Let me see pic of your light setup. It is in an enclosed shower stall with the glass door open all the time?


yeah thats exactly it. but i really wanna move the room, and im sure my folks wouldnt get punzl3d because of two plants. i mean, maybe if it was like ten or something, but two i think a good lawyer can help save ya...maybe even with ten, i dont think at any point id have more than ten plants going.

[HARDDON]

Seem like you're gonna lose a lot of valuable light.

Be true to your parents...they are the only ones you'll ever have.

And they'll be there long after everyone else has left you.

Happy Growing.

[h8 n00bz]

Seem like you're gonna lose a lot of valuable light.

Be true to your parents...they are the only ones you'll ever have.

And they'll be there long after everyone else has left you.

Happy Growing.

my folks will know...when it is prudent for them too. but the thing is this is pretty much a trial run as i am moving out soon with three other roomates. house we looked at today should offer sufficient growroom, too. has a wicked shed thing that prolly has an ac in it. rules. and if my parents know about it and allow it then they become accessories...as long as they dont know baout it, im the only one at risk i think. plus i mean, what risk? hahaha. im careful and so is tehpwn i think well be fine....

[h8 n00bz]

update kinda...

you can see beef, and edge is looking better but still runtly. if we got two males ima be pissed..

[GTC21]

That's how young hackers type. They're phucking phreaks.

[h8 n00bz]

That's how young hackers type. They're phucking phreaks.

i guess...

[h8 n00bz]

week 2..

beef is droopy as all hell but growing, and sibling runt is doing better. i also got a timer to help all this out, make the lighting way easier to deal with..

i wish shit happened quicker, or rather that i had more plants growing at one time. i wanna name some other ones.

[HARDDON]

The first grow is always the toughest.

Yes growth does seem pretty slow for a 400W MH light.

Can you post a pic of the light AND the plants?

I would like to see exactly how the lights are draping across the plants.

Make sure they are getting enough water. Runt looks like she could use a drink about right now.

[tehpwn]

we dont know if we over watered or under watered but we havent watered much so we think itll be alright, we gunna not water and see if wilting continues to increase or decrease and ackt accordingly, also the light has only been on like 14 hours a day and has been on/off at somewhat random times so i think it mightve shocked the plants a bit. they on a timer now so should see some improvement in growht in both very shortly. how tall til we should switch to 12-12 yall thinkin? im thinking when they get around 8-10 inches

[HARDDON]

If you have great ventilation and air exchange, a light and airy growing medium without a lot of soil, its very very difficult to over water a plant.

And if you do, the leaves droop.... so what.

I would rather over water than under water....without being extreme. But so much depends on your grow medium and composition. If its soil, dont over water...

Yes a psychotic light schedule will wreak havoc on young seedling. Be consistent and run 18 hours not 14. At this rate, you may want to boost the cycle to 24/0 for a few weeks to stir growth.

As for worrying about how tall they need to be prior to flowering, worry about getting them to grow.

As for the height before flower, the sign is to look for alternating stem growth on secondary growth spots. You dont need to wait for the main stem to start with alt growth, just the secondaries.

Also examine our strategy.

If you jsut want to grow some smoke to burn and say you did it yourself, flower them anytime you want.

If you want quantity, plan on longer veg cycle.

If you want premium bud, stick to the fundamentals. Be so patient, this is a process of life and death of special plants we all have a union with.

We are its GODS.

[h8 n00bz]

good advice, to be sure. thanks.
the plants are getting 18 hours of light if only because i can sleep with that infernal hid glowing about. but, we shall see how it goes. i can see growth everyday which is normal im sure but its encouraging. and yeah, we wanna smoke this stuff and maybe dump a little off on friends and whatnot. this first batch is pure runt seeds tho, that we got out mf my mexican friends refrigerator...oh well. we are ordering some seeds hopefully today if tehpwn wakes the fuck up and we go to the bank.
argh.
whats a good strain with pleasant and potent yields that stays relatively short with indoor growing? were thinking that blueberry business...anything out there any better for our situation?

[h8 n00bz]

yeah hardon you were right about beef being underfed waterwise. i got a soil moisture meter today and it was like at .5 or 1 out of ten. very dry. runt too. very dry. i watered, and the meter is at like 4 now....where should it be right after watering ideally?
also here is pic of our plants under the hood so you can see it all.. http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14414

thanks for the help, as usual. you seem to be ultra smart about all this i really appreciate it.

[HARDDON]

Well thanks for the compliment but all I have learned i have learned from others.

I won't make advice on your water meter reading.

But looking at your pic....here is what I would do....

1. Lower your light. It looks too far away from the plant tops. I would aim to reduce it to no more / no less than 18"...

2. Place a stationary permanent FULL TIME fan so that it is blowing the air BETWEEN the light and the plant tops. DO NOT make it oscillate...keep another fan for that. Make this fan blow NON STOP between the light and the plants.

3. Water more often. HID and fans will dry out your plants faster than the sun will. The constant air flow will take the moisture and carry it away and the light will add heat. While 90 Degrees is very rough on a plant, it is still fine. But you MUST water the plants and do not allow it to get so dry.

Try these things for 7 days and lets see if you can get them going.

Also, make sure your water is dechlorinated and pH 6.5 - 6.8.

Do these things and ye shall get the growth on track. When sprouting, I like to use much smaller containers as it is easier to water a little pot than it is a big pot. Thats for future reference..... :)

Here are two plants I grew for 12 days in a little container...note how moist it is...that is how yours need to be for a long while to get growing.

Good luck and HAPPY GROWING :)