Quality of medicine?!?!

[shadowyazn]

I received my card roughly a month ago...11/15/2011. I have tried medicine from 6 diff organizations in the Albuquerque area....and I am shocked at the lack of quality medicine. Having lived in California and been a medical cannabis patient when I was there, I personally am surprised that the medicine available is of such low quality. 2 of the 6 organizations I have visited have quality medicine...the other 4 I was quite tempted to call them and demand my money back. It seems to me that the plants are either harvested too early and/or undercured. Is it because of the limited number of plants they are allowed to grow and the disproportionate number of patients they serve? Or is it just a lack of horticultural experience? Comments, questions, flames?

[CannaHub]

This is New Mexico. We have a totally different system then the other states.
For example, All producers grow their own medication. It is not bought from the street and then just package it and passed on to the patients.

Does New Mexico have the finest medical cannabis in the world?
I'm sure there are lots of people growing better cannabis, Just ask Ollie Grow or Mimbers Valley. They will tell you, even if you don't ask.
The difference is if you buy medication that is not up to your standards.....
TAKE IT BACK TO THE PRODUCER WITH YOUR RECEIPT AND
KINDLY ASK FOR YOUR MONEY BACK ON THE UNSED AMOUNT.

It's a new program, it is not perfect (yet). Even in CA the first two or three years of the program were a joke!

I'm not sure how anybody can complain about a purchase when they haven't even gone to the producer and tried to get their money back or exchange for something more suitable.

It takes time to perfect all aspects of a great medical cannabis program. Be, fair and use your voice, the system is getting better by the day. If you only tried 6 producer's products then you still have 17 more producers to try.
Stick around and be part of the best developing program in the world, or move on.

No matter how much complaining you do on this site about how bad the producers and the program suck in New Mexico - if you don't go to the source or even give them a chance to make you a happy customer, you have nobody to be upset with other then yourself.

[ScaredasHell]

The problem as I see it is all the producers are skipping the curing step - they cut the crop, and sell it damp a week later. If they properly cured it for about 6 weeks, it would be better. But that would delay their $$$$ and so we can't have that!:mad:

[InsuranceGuy]

Sorry I don't completely agree. I have been to many of the local (ABQ) dispencaries and for the most part have found some damn good meds. I also have to say that I have been to a couple and they will not see me again.

I suggest you try a small amount of several kinds and find out what you like. That is what I have done. Some great and some not good at all. Give Rgreenleaf a call, they cure theirs well. Nice tight buds. Same with Natural RX. I got some Pineapple Thai and Pineapple express there the other day and am very happy with it. I as well have some White Widow and Super Silver haze from Greenleaf and theirs is great and you gotta try their cookies!!! HOLY SHIT! Very good!

Just My Opinion. Sorry Cannahub for naming names but it needs to be said. Find what works for you and who has what. I have gone around and now have 16 strains, only a gram or two of each, but 16 strains with 10 I would get again.

[CannaHub]

Sorry Cannahub for naming names but it needs to be said. Find what works for you and who has what. I have gone around and now have 16 strains, only a gram or two of each, but 16 strains with 10 I would get again.

No worries! You are right on the head! Great advice!
Try a little from each until you find the right one (or two or three for you) for you.
And for goodness sake (IMHO) if you don't like the meds or the way they do business, tell them! They are not for profit corporations, run with patients on their board of directors - Nobody wants mediocre medicine or service - Nobody.

Oh BTW: the cookies from R. Greenleaf........ HOLY SHIT might be an understatement, but I can't think of a better description right now. Oh so good!!

[shadowyazn]

I appreciate your guys' feedback and CannaHub, I would just like to clarify that I never said anything or anyone or any program 'sucked' so I would appreciate it if you would not paraphrase my post. Unfortunately, I do not travel all over the state of New Mexico frequently so I am not able to try all 24 producers or I gladly would do so! I am not complaining about the program, just voicing my opinion as a medical cannabis patient. The thing about this situation is it's rather pointless to exchange a product you purchased when their entire inventory is of the same quality. Plus I tend to not return purchased items, I spent many years in retail and its a matter of principle for me. I agree there are patients on the board of directors, but from what i hear alot of these patients have little to no contact with the operation of the organization itself...I do not dispute that some of these places have the patient's best interests at heart. Some other places make me want to ask them to weigh my medicine in front of me. I'm not trying to criticize, once again just voicing an opinion. InsuranceGuy, I agree with you on picking up samples from different dispensaries and that is what I am doing. My methodology is actually to purchase a minimum of 1 gram of every strain offered at the dispensary, in order to get a fair gauge on the range of their product quality. I currently have 13+ strains that I've purchased in the last couple weeks. I keep meticulous notes on every sample and compare them with previous notes of the same strain to gauge relative effectiveness. My main issue with thiis that the delivery services do not allow you to view samples before purchasing...you only get to see the medicine if you purchase it first. I actually just picked up some master kush and og kush earlier this afternoon and I am very pleased however, since I was able to view my product before purchase and have the weight confirmed. Scaredashell, I agree with you to some extent....I don't think the producers here however are as heavily money centered as those in California....but I do think that it has something to do with it. Maybe trying to scrounge up fees for end of the year? Regardless I have been trying to cure some of the medicine as I smoke it. Im also wondering about growing methods...under the current legal plant limit if cycled correctly producers shouldnt run out of strains between harvests...or very rarely. I'm seeing ALOT of shortages quickly after a harvest.

[InsuranceGuy]

Shadow you are on the right track. I have picked up 16 different strains. I am currently doing my own 12 days of Christmas, which started yesterday BTW, to which I get to pick a diff strain each day. I was going to put a little of each 16 strains in a bowl on Christmas day but since I will be with family all day I think I am going to Greenleaf and pick up some cookies(3 for $10). I spoke with Willie from Greenleaf yesterday and he said lots of his patients only eat half a cookie at a time. I will be with 25 family members so its gonna be a whole cookie for me...
Anyway Shadow, it was suggested to another person a while ago, if you don't like what you find out there grow it if you can.
I wish you the best in finding what works for you. As for me I want to try it all!

[alfonso2002]

Don't know where I have been but this is the first time I see this thread. And I would like to get in on this.First shadowyazn you say "and I am shocked at the lack of quality medicine." Most of the producers here are only on there 2nd or 3rd harvests not sure if you have ever grown any medical grade cannabis INDOORS But if you have then you know what I am talking about.It took me about 11/2 years to get it down so I know what producers are going through.You also say "It seems to me that the plants are either harvested too early and/or undercured." There I agree with you. Most of the producers are hanging on by a thin string so they are in a hurry to get there product out.What I am seeing is that they are trying to get us the best meds that they can. But it is not a one strain deal what works for you might not work for me. CannaHub put it straight if you are not happy with what you got then by all means let them know and I am sure they would work with you on that. "Or is it just a lack of horticultural experience?" Most likely that is what it is. CannaHub keep up the good work. ScardasHell as usual All you do is bitch about producers Not sure why. I saw your pics of what you have grown and it looked nice.Do you really have to buy from producers? OK InsuranceGuy your turn not really when dose the party start. Back to shadowyazn "The thing about this situation is it's rather pointless to exchange a product you purchased when their entire inventory is of the same quality." Then what you do is get your mony back and move on.But don't smoke it all and then want your money back. "I spent many years in retail and its a matter of principle for me." When it comes to my money it's a matter of principle to me not to throw it away. "I keep meticulous notes on every sample and compare them with previous notes of the same strain to gauge relative effectiveness."Thats all good but you have to remember that was that plant yea most of the producers are cloning there plants so it should be the same but it also has to do with how you grow it method, nutes ect. "I was able to view my product before purchase and have the weight confirmed." If you are worried about the weight and think you are getting ripped off then just move on." Regardless I have been trying to cure some of the medicine as I smoke it."Depends on the moistue content in the bud if it will continue to cure I don't think that what you get from producers can continue to CURE it is already too dry."Im also wondering about growing methods...under the current legal plant limit if cycled correctly producers shouldnt run out of strains between harvests...or very rarely. I'm seeing ALOT of shortages quickly after a harvest." Shadowyazn I posted a scenario on a 150 plant harvest on another post and not too much room to play with so if a certain strain is a hit and everyone wants that strain it goes fast. It will take at least 6 months to get that strain back in stock If you want it cured.Shadowyazn Don't get me wrong not picking on you or anything like that .P.S.If you are not happy with producers GROW YOUR OWN that way if you don't like it then you only have yourself to blame.

[InsuranceGuy]

The Party has already started.... 12 days of Christmas is going strong! 10 days to go.... Now I am nervous...will I make it? will I run out? Will I get to stoned and forget which day it is or which strain I should smoke? OH SHIT! What do I do? I know, Smoke at least 3 strains a day and get a few cookies to keep ya going....

[alfonso2002]

LOL

[InsuranceGuy]

Well I did just that, got some more cookies.

I went to a new dispencary yesterday, well new for me. I was expecting to get some of Da Purps.... Not very good looking. I asked to see some other strains... not impressed. I was happy to hear that they didn't grow it. They ran out so the got some elsewhere. I will check back with them another time. I went elsewhere.

[alfonso2002]

At least you were able to see it before you bought.

[shadowyazn]

Hey InsuranceGuy, I know exactly what place you're talking about...and I agree on the product. I got some of their actual medicine 2 weeks ago when they first opened that location and I have to say it was pretty good. Undercured, but other than that no complaints! Very pungent buds and tasty too! I actually just started smoking the product from them this week, I spent 2 weeks curing it myself. I recently began picking up from CG Corrigan...and although you can't view their product beforehand I have only been dissapointed once...and they recently gave me a free 8th due to the low quality of the previous 8th. So...very pleased! Seems Minerva has some good product lately as well...only thing is I've been finding seeds.....

[yellowsnow]

Off the subject but how would your store your meds for long term? I have heard freezing may not be the best method.

[alfonso2002]

Yellowsnow I think for long term storage after it is well cured for about 6 months OH YEA if you have been able to get it there with no mold You'll have some nice bud.. There are several process and effects which take place during curing that can rationally and scientifically explain the increase in potency and improvement of the smoke in cured material. Moisture is essential for the curing process, it is both your friend and enemy. If too much moisture is left in the buds, with out the regular mixing, venting and turning of buds involved with curing, molds and bacteria can quickly form and ruin the taste and potency of your stash. On the other hand, without the necessary moisture metabolic processes essential to curing do not take place.Once curing is complete and the medicine is dry, it should still contain 10-15% moisture, approximately 2-4% of its initial water. This is ideal because most bacteria and molds can not grow below 15% water content, and below 10% cannabis buds tend to powder. SO once there the best way for longer storage is in those same glass jars in the freezer.

[yellowsnow]

This is totally cured and ready to be consumed. What i'm thinking is sealing in one of those seal a meal machines then into a tupperware container then to the freezer.

[alfonso2002]

Am sure that will work the whole object is to get it air tight.

[InsuranceGuy]

shadow- ya the stuff I saw came from somewhere else. It was not that good looking or smelling. The guys there are are awesome. Very Friendly. I will be doing some other business with them here real soon. They said they will have their meds soon and much better quality.

Have not tried Corrigan. Thought they were real proud of their meds with those prices. I have stuck with Greenleaf and NaturalRX for my meds. Great people , Great Product, Good/Fair Prices. I will try all the local dispencarys eventually just to try them. But for now I know the ones that work for me. When the new crops comes in, it should be fun around here from what I hear....

[yellowsnow]

Yellowsnow I think for long term storage after it is well cured for about 6 months OH YEA if you have been able to get it there with no mold You'll have some nice bud.. There are several process and effects which take place during curing that can rationally and scientifically explain the increase in potency and improvement of the smoke in cured material. Moisture is essential for the curing process, it is both your friend and enemy. If too much moisture is left in the buds, with out the regular mixing, venting and turning of buds involved with curing, molds and bacteria can quickly form and ruin the taste and potency of your stash. On the other hand, without the necessary moisture metabolic processes essential to curing do not take place.Once curing is complete and the medicine is dry, it should still contain 10-15% moisture, approximately 2-4% of its initial water. This is ideal because most bacteria and molds can not grow below 15% water content, and below 10% cannabis buds tend to powder. SO once there the best way for longer storage is in those same glass jars in the freezer.

al,

thanks for that detailed info tho.

[alfonso2002]

No problem Yellowsnow

[shadowyazn]

@ insurance - I actually havent tried rgreenleaf, mainly because they havent responded to any of my e-mails asking them about their office hours? I'm not a big fan of going somewhere just to have them not be open. Do you know their store hours?? and also...what kind of strains do they have? seems their website's slightly outdated. =( as far as CG goes, I've been paying the full price just so I can get an idea of their quality...and I plan on signing the 6 month pledge to support their farming community. If you havent heard of that, I'd suggest you at least give them a call to see what it's all about. From my perspective, it seems like a great deal. Went by NaturalRX yesterday as well and got some sour chem and some purple kush. very satisfied with both...AND they gave me a free 2 grams to make up for the previous shortage.

[yellowsnow]

I'm very pleased with BH fantastic to deal with.

[alfonso2002]

@ insurance - I actually havent tried rgreenleaf, mainly because they havent responded to any of my e-mails asking them about their office hours? I'm not a big fan of going somewhere just to have them not be open. Do you know their store hours?? and also...what kind of strains do they have? seems their website's slightly outdated. =( as far as CG goes, I've been paying the full price just so I can get an idea of their quality...and I plan on signing the 6 month pledge to support their farming community. If you havent heard of that, I'd suggest you at least give them a call to see what it's all about. From my perspective, it seems like a great deal. Went by NaturalRX yesterday as well and got some sour chem and some purple kush. very satisfied with both...AND they gave me a free 2 grams to make up for the previous shortage.

shadowyazn I think Greenleaf has been having trouble with there email but I think if you give them a call 505) 510-1717 someone will answer the phone. Not sure what strains they have but give them a call.Too bad we don't have pm here to be able to send private messages.

[shadowyazn]

@ yellow snow- whats BH?

[alfonso2002]

That would be Budding Hope.

[shadowyazn]

Nice thanks! Also...do you happen to know RGreenleaf's business hours?

[alfonso2002]

Monday-Friday 10:30am-5:30pm Saturdays 12:00 Noon 3PM

[shadowyazn]

much appreciated! I'm gonna stop by before I hit the road out to Gallup tomorrow =( any tips on certain strains from there alfonso?

[alfonso2002]

Not sure what they have left . I know that they are close to a harvest. But have been happy with all the meds I have gotten from them.Not that I get much.I really really liked the super silver haze but an sure that is gone.

[shadowyazn]

hmmm thats good that you havent had any issues with their quality! theres a place that just came out with a new harvest of one of my favorites, bubba kush so im debating which place to go too...cause the first place's quality is up and down

[alfonso2002]

Well check out GreenLeaf Like I said not sure what they have right now but there meds have always been good also check out there cookies have heard good things about them. Last I heard they were giving them away. also heard that CG Corrigan had some real nice Afghani.P.S. Bubba Kush I like

[yellowsnow]

alf is right Budding Hope, they do allow on-sight pick up also.
All meds are 10 a gram or 30 1/8 right now.

[shadowyazn]

Nice I might check out BH when they do delivery to Alb. on Thursday, any recommendation on strains? A nice sativa perhaps? Also on a side note...received my medicine from CG today....absolutely fantastic. Beautiful bud development, nice and firm with huge amounts of trichromes and hairs all over. Pungent and sweet aromas that accompany a well cured product. They also look nice and frosty, especially the Pineapple Kush. Weighed over as well!

[alfonso2002]

Nice what did you get from CG? as for budding hope have never gotten any meds from them but have heard good things on them to.By the way did you check out GreenLeaf. If so what did you get?

[shadowyazn]

CG- I picked up Afghan, Northern Lights, Pineapple Kush, and HOG. All very beautiful. I highly recommend people pledge to support their farming community! RGreenleaf - Lemon Sour Diesel. Not bad, but not great IMO? Bud development is okay, nice size for an eighth and once ground up it smells like LSD should IMO. Tangy yet with a faint undertone of the pungent diesel scent. However...seems the plant suffered from lack of nutrients at some stage and is rather brownish. Still some unmanicured leaves on it as well. Good hair development, orange over the nugs but trichomes seemed to be underdeveloped. Not to say there isn't any...just not as much as I prefer and DEF not as much as CG's pineapple kush.

[shadowyazn]

Holy crap. So i just went throught he Afghan...and in a half ounce I found about 25 seeds.....

[alfonso2002]

wow what I had gotten did not have any seeds. were the seeds ripe or just white balls. But if you were not happy I would give them a call and am sure they will work with you. How did you like the Afghan?That HOG is not too bad either.

[shadowyazn]

I'd say roughly a little less than half are ripe..bout 9 or 10. I sent them an e-mail last night just so they would be apprised of the situation, still waiting to hear back. I really loved the afghan however! Even though there were seeds it doesnt seem to have diminshed the potency at all. I think maybe just one or 2 plants got pollinated cause not every bud had seeds..I'd say roughly 1/2 of the 1/2 oz. So...still 25 seeds in 7 grams...

Edit: Im probably just gonna keep these seeds and start em up when I get my PPL.

[alfonso2002]

If you are able to sprout those seeds you will have some fine meds there .

[shadowyazn]

I agree! Was contacted by CG earlier this morning and after some e-mails everything was resolved! Great customer service btw over there. =)

[alfonso2002]

Nice

[shadowyazn]

Hey does Budding Hope deliver to albuquerque?

[CFO]

Have you heard.....the medicine from the now defunct SF Institute of Natural Medicine is now available through Mother Earth. Giving Tree in Farmington ceased operations back in September, so I doubt they have any medicine available. They both had to have everything removed from their facilities by Friday of this week. So sad to see any of the producers go, but especially the first one. Their meds were first class.

[CFO]

Hey does Budding Hope deliver to albuquerque?
Budding Hope appears to deliver everywhere in the state.

[williboy]

Funny how I heard about this thread, my brother who lives in Albuquerque says the same things about the 'outlets' there. After visiting here, he said there wasn't much he wanted to smoke from home, I too think it just takes some time for the level of growing expertise to come up to the level of expectation. Good growers will be in demand, mediocre growers, not so much.

[alfonso2002]

Willieboy Your right on that cream allways seem to rise to the top. But I see the producers are all getting better but some better than others.

[shadowyazn]

Have you heard.....the medicine from the now defunct SF Institute of Natural Medicine is now available through Mother Earth. Giving Tree in Farmington ceased operations back in September, so I doubt they have any medicine available. They both had to have everything removed from their facilities by Friday of this week. So sad to see any of the producers go, but especially the first one. Their meds were first class.

Oh wow so SFINM transferred all their product to Las Cruces? I thought SFINM was based out of Santa Fe? Seems like a huge hassle to transfer everything to Las Cruces?? Unfortunately I never got the chance to try SFINM but I heard nothing but good things. Also, thanks for the info on BH CFO =)

Hey willi, where is 'here' for you? I'm assuming California or Colorado? I'm sorry your brother hasn't found any places he likes...I'm still in the process of trying every single place I can, but my location does limit that. However, as a cannabis connoisseur, I am proud to say that I've found at least 2 or 3 places that I frequent out of the 10 or so I've tried. What really bothers me...is that I can literally find an ounce of master kush on the street for 250.00...whereas a place like NaturalRX charges 15.00 per gram all the way up...15x28= 420.00. Almost a 70% price increase. That kind of situation IMO is just WRONG.

[CFO]

Oh wow so SFINM transferred all their product to Las Cruces? I thought SFINM was based out of Santa Fe? Seems like a huge hassle to transfer everything to Las Cruces??

What really bothers me...is that I can literally find an ounce of master kush on the street for 250.00...whereas a place like NaturalRX charges 15.00 per gram all the way up...15x28= 420.00. Almost a 70% price increase. That kind of situation IMO is just WRONG.

Santa Fe's loss is Southern NM's gain.

If you can find organic, medicinal grade strains on the street, I suppose the choice is obvious. You have to get your mediicine at the least expensive place. However, keep in mind that the producers have strict procedures to follow and you have no idea how that street Kush was grown. I would imagine at that price that it may be some of the CA medicine being imported to NM that didn't pass inspection in CA. Have been watching "Weed Wars" on cable and learning lots of things I didn't know previously. You could be smoking/injesting spider mites and their excrement in that $250/ounce Kush! Buyer beware.

The NM LNPP prices will continue to decrease as supply increases. Prices range from $8 - 20 per gram right now. Cheaper is rarely better. Just as our organic produce in the grocery stores, organic medicine is more costly to produce and thus more costly to purchase.

[weeddaddy50]

Good....post.....here is the problem I see in most if not all MMJ states.......there is a difference between weed and medical quality cannabis.....and that difference can and most often is HUGE....dispensarys will attempt to make the most money....and quality suffers.....Why would anyone want to grow Sour D or almost any OG when it takes 10-12 weeks? when they can grow a big bud cross and harvest in 7-8 weeks? the markup on the medicine is the same and costs are way less.

As a patient you have to decide what medicine you want to put in your body....cheap outdoor....inferior indoor....average indoor.....mexi-brick weed....or truly AAA medical quality that is certified organic, with strict guidelines.'

Here is a strain that takes 10 weeks (green thai x pre98 buba x og kush) "green thai og"...not a very good yielder to grow but thc content is over 22% CBD near 1%
281225

Here is another strain that takes 10+ weeks (Blackberry kush x pre 98 buba x OG kush) "Black bubba OG" ....another small yielder but very high thc content.
281226281227

With all the changes happening with the federal government and their stance that even though your state voted for MMJ....in their eyes it is still against federal law....I believe the MMJ movement will continue to change...you are going to see more and more dispensarys close.....I see this movement as more of a grower to patient direct process....and I believe that is where we will end up....

Now....I know that I kinda jacked this thread....but the short answer is to grow true medical grade cannabis....it takes experience...time...and lots of hard work....seems like everyone thinks, go to you tube watch some urban growers shows...and bam....I am an expert...but what they find out...is they have just grown B grade indoor weed....and that is what is available at most collectives...not saying they will not get better, if they stay the course...of course they will......but growing is not easy....and growing medical quality cannabis is very time consuming, most people fail.

Sorry for the thread jack....just my 02 cents

All jar cured for 30 to 60 days

[shadowyazn]

Santa Fe's loss is Southern NM's gain.

If you can find organic, medicinal grade strains on the street, I suppose the choice is obvious. You have to get your mediicine at the least expensive place. However, keep in mind that the producers have strict procedures to follow and you have no idea how that street Kush was grown. I would imagine at that price that it may be some of the CA medicine being imported to NM that didn't pass inspection in CA. Have been watching "Weed Wars" on cable and learning lots of things I didn't know previously. You could be smoking/injesting spider mites and their excrement in that $250/ounce Kush! Buyer beware.

The NM LNPP prices will continue to decrease as supply increases. Prices range from $8 - 20 per gram right now. Cheaper is rarely better. Just as our organic produce in the grocery stores, organic medicine is more costly to produce and thus more costly to purchase.

I totally understand where you're coming from CFO, and under any other case yes I would be wary of purchasing weed from the street. However, I hypothetically know exactly where this master kush is coming from, from production to delivery. That's the only reason I used it as an example, cause I was actually able to compare the one fro NaturalRX with the other and there was no difference. At all. I'm kinda tempted to take them some and see if they can tell the diference themselves haha. LOL

Weeddaddy, thanks for the great pictures! Also, I agree with you. It's about turnaround and profit at this point it seems to me. There is some OG's floating around..but the quality is soooo bad. I mean, it's obviously an OG but just poorly grown. At this point in our state, it really is up to individual dispensary's discretion on how they want to grow their medicine. What is on my mind is the fact that so many people automatically believe organic is better on all levels. I understand the need for organic grown medicine, especially for those patients with suppressed immune systems, but one cannot deny that there is badly grown organic medicine out there. Is it really worth trading off that much quality of product just to label it organic?

[alfonso2002]

weedaddy50 let me go over a few things with MO "there is a difference between weed and medical quality cannabis".....and that difference can and most often is HUGE". It can be but then again it can even be better. There are some very good growers here. "dispensarys will attempt to make the most money". I think we all know that the costs of production for the producers is High so what they have to charge has to cover these cost."Why would anyone want to grow Sour D or almost any OG when it takes 10-12 weeks?" Simple answer The producers want to supply the best meds that they can for the patients and are willing to try most any strain. "As a patient you have to decide what medicine you want to put in your body....cheap outdoor....inferior indoor....average indoor.....mexi-brick weed....or truly AAA medical quality that is certified organic, with strict guidelines." CHEAP OUTDOOR The best bud I have ever had has been outdoor.But your right "or truly AAA medical quality that is certified organic". Will cost you more because of how you have to handle the product "I see this movement as more of a grower to patient direct process" That is the way it is done here in NM. That is why we have not been in the cross hairs from the feds."but the short answer is to grow true medical grade cannabis....it takes experience...time...and lots of hard work....seems like everyone thinks, go to you tube watch some urban growers shows...and bam....I am an expert...but what they find out...is they have just grown B grade indoor weed" there we kind of agree But I think we know like you say ....it takes experience...time...and lots of hard work.If you are truly a grower you take pride in what you grow I do anyway.60 day cure very nice.But looking at your bud I think It looks like it is too dry to still be curing.For a very well cured bud say 6 months the moisture level has to be at least 30% so the time you have to take in checking and adjusting things is HUGE because mold is just right there. If you have ever had that kind of bud you know what I am talking about.That type of cure is not Know by many.The risk for many is just too high.

[CFO]

I totally understand where you're coming from CFO, and under any other case yes I would be wary of purchasing weed from the street. However, I hypothetically know exactly where this master kush is coming from, from production to delivery. That's the only reason I used it as an example, cause I was actually able to compare the one fro NaturalRX with the other and there was no difference. At all. I'm kinda tempted to take them some and see if they can tell the diference themselves haha. LOL

Weeddaddy, thanks for the great pictures! Also, I agree with you. It's about turnaround and profit at this point it seems to me. There is some OG's floating around..but the quality is soooo bad. I mean, it's obviously an OG but just poorly grown. At this point in our state, it really is up to individual dispensary's discretion on how they want to grow their medicine. What is on my mind is the fact that so many people automatically believe organic is better on all levels. I understand the need for organic grown medicine, especially for those patients with suppressed immune systems, but one cannot deny that there is badly grown organic medicine out there. Is it really worth trading off that much quality of product just to label it organic?

Organic is required by the State per the Rules and Regs. The producers have no choice in the matter.

[alfonso2002]

CFO your only half right PPL's don't have to do organic.

[CFO]

CFO your only half right PPL's don't have to do organic.

LOL, Alf. Since the patients cannot sell to other patients, it only matters to the patient how they produce medicine for themselves. When I wrote "producers" I should have written LNPP? :)

[alfonso2002]

OK now your right again.

[voodoo child]

CFO your only half right PPL's don't have to do organic.

Check out the current regs.......
NM nonprofit producers no longer have to grow organically
some nonprofit producers are hyping their Hydro buds>>>as real meds>>it's pretty pathetic.......
Best to have a PPL and grow your own!
Who needs chem weed!

[alfonso2002]

Voodoo child You can grow" HYDRO" organically.I my self have tried hydro with an ebb and flow system and in my HO it came out better than what I had grown in soil pots here is a little to think about when you are thinking organics.
In the United States there are numerous different definitions of "organic", many of which differ significantly. Each state has its own regulations for labeling produce as â??organic". Additionally, there are 36 non-governmental organizations which can certify" produce as organic. For example, California growers who wish to sell their produce as "organic" must register with the California Department of Food and Agriculture and pass their inspection. However, California grower's can also obtain certification through the California Certified Organic Farmers (CCOF), which actually has higher standards for organic than the state has.

The CCOF certification is optional, but produce with California state registration and CCOF certification may be offered for sale within the state as "certified organic" If the grower chooses not to seek CCOF certification, the produce can be offered for sale in California as "organic," but not "certified organicâ?�. Any produce grown outside of the United States can be sold as "certified organic" in the country if one of the 36 non-governmental organizations certifies it. In fact, produce from any state can be granted certification from one of the non-governmental organizations, even if it does not meet the organic standards for the state in which it is being sold. Pretty confusing!

What this all means is that the "organic" label is a matter of bureaucratic definitions, which can vary from state to state, and country to country. In order to bring some kind of standard into play, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) â?? along with state government regulators, non-governmental certifiers, consumers, industry interest groups, food processors and various special interest groups â?? is writing a federally mandated set of "organic" standards. No state will be able to apply more stringent standards than those of the federal.

The basic objectives of "organic" practice include the following:

Avoidance of pesticides, by use of natural pest controls (also applied by many hydroponics growers).

Caring for soil by recording nutrients and composting, and

Moderation of nutrient application with reliance on the bufferaction of humus derived from compost.

Soilless hydroponic cultivation moderates nutrient supply by the more exact measurements of soluble nutrient formulations, mixed to meet the optimum requirements of each plant species and growth phase. Many consumers select "organic" produce, believing that this is the only way to be assured of pesticide-free nonâ??hazardous food. While "organic" farming methods do produce crops generally superior to and safer than those grown by agri-business practices, modern hydroponic techniques can put forth equally safe food that in many cases offers advances in nutrition and taste over their soil-grown â??organicâ?� counterparts. But to the consumer, it's the label that counts, so an increasing number of growers throughout the United States are struggling to get organic certification in any way, shape or form.

Meanwhile, this whole situation poses an enormous dilemma to hydroponic growers who also want organic recognition for their produce. The primary problem for organic hydroponic growers is in the formulation of the soilless nutrient solution. A secondary issue, which concerns the federal regulators, is in the way used hydroponic nutrient and media such as rockwool are disposed of. Since "organic" is to a large extent a farming philosophy in support of a healthy environment, the federal concern is entirely reasonable.

Although the latter factor has no bearing on the quality and safety of the produce itself, the impact upon the planet is a real driving force behind the issue of "organic" farming. If hydroponic growers can find a way to completely recycle exhausted water, nutrients and media, then the argument in favor of "organic-hydroponic certification" becomes much stronger, but there's still the issue of formulating a satisfactory organic hydroponic nutrient mix.

Organic nutrient regulations prohibit the use of many mineral salts and highly refined substances, including food and pharmaceutical grade ingredients that are extremely important for successful hydroponic nutrient formulation. Only unrefined minerals can be used on "organic" crops and these often don't dissolve well or contain quantities of impurities, some of which are even relatively toxic but are "naturalâ?� and therefore â??okayâ?�, according to organic standards. For example, mined phosphate may contain excessive amounts of fluoride, good for teeth in very small quantities, but harmful to humans in excess.

Mined phosphate also can contain small amounts of radioactive elements such as radium, which releases radon, also not good for human health. Chlorides, too, are permitted for organic cultivation but though they are naturally mined, they can be bad for both plants and soil, especially if used in excess. Some soils used by organic farmers contain such toxic elements as selenium, which can accumulate in the plant tissues and produce. Amazing, isn't it?

When refined, any impurities or toxicities such as those listed above are removed, but refined minerals make for non-organic produce. Blood meal, bone meal, fish meal and manures pose almost no potential safety hazards, but they don't dissolve very well; they must be broken down through microbial action in the soil and therefore don't work well in hydroponic applications. There is also a problem that sometimes arises when using manures. The Western Fertilizer Handbook, an important guide for American farmers, points out that many gastro-intestinal illnesses can he traced back to manures used on organically gown crops.

In the summer of 1995, a serious outbreak of salmonella poisoning resulted from an organic cantaloupe crop growing in soil fertilized with fresh chicken manure. The rinds of the melons had become contaminated and the bacteria caused serious intestinal illness for many consumers.

Another point that can be made is that strict vegetarians or animal rights activists may be offended by the use of blood, bone, horn, hoof and feather meals to grow their food, but these are primary nutrient sources for organic farmers. As you can see, this issue Is very complex and there are many points of view. Essentially though, "organic" farming is part philosophy and part methodology, but unfortunately defined bureaucratically. In short just take care of what you are feeding your plants.

[voodoo child]

Alfonso currently there are no real standards for Organic Hydro.......
look at the amount of heavy metals in most organic hydro nutrients and they are at pretty high levels...
That's not organic IMO.
Advanced Nutrients have some of the highest levels of heavy metals yet they call it organic>>yeah right that's just BS marketing

Real organic meds grown in organic soil will always be superior quality unless you've got a noob grower
that can't grow in organic soil>>this is the case for some of NM nonprofit producers>>Some are still growing mids at best....

I've tried meds from 14 different producers and while some were excellent most samples were mid grade at best,machine trimmed beasters!
some samples from New Mexicann were pure schwag.......1 bud of Ravens Ridge had mold..........
This is not my idea of organic meds, but then I've lived in Cali and Colorado and I expect the same quality of meds here in NM.
I have consistently found Organic meds here from 1 producer........

[CFO]

Check out the current regs.......
NM nonprofit producers no longer have to grow organically
some nonprofit producers are hyping their Hydro buds>>>as real meds>>it's pretty pathetic.......
Best to have a PPL and grow your own!
Who needs chem weed!

I have checked out the regs and under section 7.34.4.8C(4) it states "....organic growing methods". I would take that to mean the LNPP are supposed to be growing organically.

How many patients are growing and using regular "miracle grow" for their nutrients? Unless they are using the organic blend, they are growing "chem weed".

In reviewing the regs to quote in this post, I failed to find the 6 ounce limit that was once there. I also went to the Lynn & Erin Compassionate Use Act and only find the wording "adequate supply". If we are no longer limited to 6 ounces then even with only 4 plants, we should be able to produce that "adequate supply". Someone help me find the section that states we can have only 6 ounces.

[CFO]

Alfonso currently there are no real standards for Organic Hydro.......
look at the amount of heavy metals in most organic hydro nutrients and they are at pretty high levels...
That's not organic IMO.
Advanced Nutrients have some of the highest levels of heavy metals yet they call it organic>>yeah right that's just BS marketing

Real organic meds grown in organic soil will always be superior quality unless you've got a noob grower
that can't grow in organic soil>>this is the case for some of NM nonprofit producers>>Some are still growing mids at best....

I've tried meds from 14 different producers and while some were excellent most samples were mid grade at best,machine trimmed beasters!
some samples from New Mexicann were pure schwag.......1 bud of Ravens Ridge had mold..........
This is not my idea of organic meds, but then I've lived in Cali and Colorado and I expect the same quality of meds here in NM.
I have consistently found Organic meds here from 1 producer........

Wow, you have purchased from 14 out of 25 (now 23) producers?! That's great. Wish all of us could do that. I am unable to travel to Albuquerque or pay the extra 20 - 30 for delivery fees. But the meds in southern NM are damn good.

I don't expect, nor will I for some time, the same quality of meds from the NM LNPPs as from those in CA or CO. Growers in both of those states have had more time to hone their skills. Give the LNPPs 10-15 years and they will be on par or better than CA or CO. (Actually, I don't think it will take that long....some are already there after only a few years.)

As far as schwag from NMNM....they are one of the few LNPPs having their meds tested. You must have purchased from them before they implemented testing.

So, who is the one producer from whom you have consistently found organic meds? initials will work if you don't want to state their full name.

[alfonso2002]

CFO the back of your card states that. But I will go check the regs. Wow that would be nice if that wording was not in the regs.

â??Adequate supplyâ?� means an amount of cannabis, derived solely from an intrastate source and

in a form approved by the department, possessed by a qualified patient or collectively possessed by a qualified patient and the qualified patientâ??s primary caregiver, that is determined by the department to be no more than reasonably necessary to ensure the uninterrupted availability of cannabis for a period of three (3) months. An adequate supply shall not exceed six (6) ounces of useable cannabis, and with a personal production license only, four (4) mature plants and twelve (12) seedlings, or a three (3) month supply of topical treatment. An amount greater than six (6) ounces of useable cannabis may be allowed, at the departmentâ??s discretion, upon proof of special need as evidenced by a practitioner letter explaining why a larger dose is indicated. Any such allowance shall be reviewed for approval by a medical director designated by the department, who shall consider standards for exceptions to the adequate supply requirements that are approved by the advisory board. A qualified patient and primary caregiver may also possess cannabis seeds.

[alfonso2002]

Alfonso currently there are no real standards for Organic Hydro.......
look at the amount of heavy metals in most organic hydro nutrients and they are at pretty high levels...
That's not organic IMO.
Advanced Nutrients have some of the highest levels of heavy metals yet they call it organic>>yeah right that's just BS marketing

Real organic meds grown in organic soil will always be superior quality unless you've got a noob grower
that can't grow in organic soil>>this is the case for some of NM nonprofit producers>>Some are still growing mids at best....

I've tried meds from 14 different producers and while some were excellent most samples were mid grade at best,machine trimmed beasters!
some samples from New Mexicann were pure schwag.......1 bud of Ravens Ridge had mold..........
This is not my idea of organic meds, but then I've lived in Cali and Colorado and I expect the same quality of meds here in NM.
I have consistently found Organic meds here from 1 producer........

Beg to differ with you but "Real organic meds grown in organic soil will always be superior quality unless you've got a noob grower"
growing in easiestis the easyist way treallyw.Do you reahandlingo be handeling shit in your INDOOR garden? Give me a break If read your lables you know what is in your nutes as for 100% organic good luck with your buds or meds. No disrespect but every grower grows what they think is right.

[CFO]

Thanks Alf. I found everything you just posted through the 3 months. It is the rest of it that I cannot find. The 6 ounces is on the back of the patient card, but not on the back of the PPL. From what source are you quoting the rest of your post?

[alfonso2002]

Wow, you have purchased from 14 out of 25 (now 23) producers?! That's great. Wish all of us could do that. I am unable to travel to Albuquerque or pay the extra 20 - 30 for delivery fees. But the meds in southern NM are damn good.

I don't expect, nor will I for some time, the same quality of meds from the NM LNPPs as from those in CA or CO. Growers in both of those states have had more time to hone their skills. Give the LNPPs 10-15 years and they will be on par or better than CA or CO. (Actually, I don't think it will take that long....some are already there after only a few years.)

As far as schwag from NMNM....they are one of the few LNPPs having their meds tested. You must have purchased from them before they implemented testing.

So, who is the one producer from whom you have consistently found organic meds? initials will work if you don't want to state their full name.

I know of one but there are more Greenleaf.

[alfonso2002]

Thanks Alf. I found everything you just posted through the 3 months. It is the rest of it that I cannot find. The 6 ounces is on the back of the patient card, but not on the back of the PPL. From what source are you quoting the rest of your post?

New Rule (http://www.nmcpr.state.nm.us/nmregister/xxi/xxi24/7.34.2new.htm)

[CFO]

New Rule (http://www.nmcpr.state.nm.us/nmregister/xxi/xxi24/7.34.2new.htm)

Thanks. I was in 7.34.4 and finally found it in 7.34.3 but hadn't gone to 7.34.2. Sheeesh....so many sections to state the same thing. I guess we need to petition for a rules change for a 12 month supply rather than 3 months. That way we can grow our own for the entire year. But their 3 month supply assumes using only 2 ounces per month. I know a patient that goes through an ounce a week. So he has to grow indoors which is more costly and have a perpetual garden. He can and does, but there are other patients who can only grow outdoors. Which is why we have the LNPPs. Which is also why the DOH is finally doing some site visits of the patients with licenses....too many are breaking the rules and growing more than is allowed. I have heard of some of the patients selling their meds, too. Which of course is against the rules, but they figure they won't get caught. Also heard of people buying from the low-priced Albuquerque producers and reselling too. Haven't seen any of the $8 meds. Has anyone here? Quality?

[voodoo child]

Wow, you have purchased from 14 out of 25 (now 23) producers?! That's great. Wish all of us could do that. I am unable to travel to Albuquerque or pay the extra 20 - 30 for delivery fees. But the meds in southern NM are damn good.

I don't expect, nor will I for some time, the same quality of meds from the NM LNPPs as from those in CA or CO. Growers in both of those states have had more time to hone their skills. Give the LNPPs 10-15 years and they will be on par or better than CA or CO. (Actually, I don't think it will take that long....some are already there after only a few years.)

As far as schwag from NMNM....they are one of the few LNPPs having their meds tested. You must have purchased from them before they implemented testing.

So, who is the one producer from whom you have consistently found organic meds? initials will work if you don't want to state their full name.

SFINM
Their White Star Dawg and Fire Alien Kush are superb meds,as nice as anything I get in Cali or Colorado......
sucks they didn't renew...they had the FIRE!
I will miss buying clones from them
my avatar is a Alien Kush clone of theirs I grew this past Fall
glad I kept a cut for a mom!

[voodoo child]

Beg to differ with you but "Real organic meds grown in organic soil will always be superior quality unless you've got a noob grower"
growing in easiestis the easyist way treallyw.Do you reahandlingo be handeling shit in your INDOOR garden? Give me a break If read your lables you know what is in your nutes as for 100% organic good luck with your buds or meds. No disrespect but every grower grows what they think is right.

alfonso I brew ACT and make my own vermicompost bro!
I don't handle shit or shitty bottled nutes!
I do VEGANICS! read about it , you may learn something........

look up 7.34.2.7 B of the medical advisory board rules and regs..........
this is for DOH for considering applicants>It says it's a factor in considering applicants

find me where it says nonprofit producers must grow organically?

And yeah I'm sure some patients with PPL's are growing Chem weed>>but I don't care about that as I don't buy meds from them,I only buy from licensed nonprofit producers!

[CFO]

look up 7.34.2.7 B of the medical advisory board rules and regs..........
this is for DOH for considering applicants>It says it's a factor in considering applicants

find me where it says nonprofit producers must grow organically?
Alfonso posted the link to section 7.34.2 and the section you indicate is the definitions section and doesn't say anything about organics. The section I previously posted, as you state, says "organic growing methods" would be a (as you state) a "factor in considering" applications. In reading between the lines, I would say that is a "must". Otherwise, why would it be "considered" in the first place? See 7.34.4.8.C(4)

Now, veganics....that's a whole different thing as you are aware. Are there any LNPPs growing veganically?

[CFO]

SFINM
Their White Star Dawg and Fire Alien Kush are superb meds,as nice as anything I get in Cali or Colorado......
sucks they didn't renew...they had the FIRE!
I will miss buying clones from them
my avatar is a Alien Kush clone of theirs I grew this past Fall
glad I kept a cut for a mom!
I heard their genetics went to Mother Earth. You might want to get registered with them if you aren't already. They can only deliver in DAC due to the ICE checkpoints, but patients can take the risk themselves. So if you are up north, you can travel and pick it up, but getting back through the checkpoint is on you.

[alfonso2002]

voodoo child OK so you use worm shit. Like I said growers grow what they think is right.I use worm castings in my base soil also but also want my plants to have what they want."And yeah I'm sure some patients with PPL's are growing Chem weed>>but I don't care about that as I don't buy meds from them,I only buy from licensed nonprofit producers! ". I use green air products for hydro and fox farms for my soil grows . Your "VEGANICS!" must not be doing to well if you are still having to buy from producers. With my" Chem weed" I have not had to buy from a producer in the past 3 years.I take pride in my meds. And would have no problem having them checked for contents.What are you looking for in your Meds? You say SFINM had the "FIRE" can you tell me what you mean by that? I my self can't wait till there is a ligament place here in NM that can do testing of our meds. I am trying to find a plant with a high CBD number I think that the highest I have seen in NM is less than 2% Yea I know that if you grew that strain you might just throw that plant out because it did not get you high. I think I have posted before on this but there is way more to the cannabis plant than getting high I too do not mind that side affect but like I said there is more to it than that.

[alfonso2002]

Thanks. I was in 7.34.4 and finally found it in 7.34.3 but hadn't gone to 7.34.2. Sheeesh....so many sections to state the same thing. I guess we need to petition for a rules change for a 12 month supply rather than 3 months. That way we can grow our own for the entire year. But their 3 month supply assumes using only 2 ounces per month. I know a patient that goes through an ounce a week. So he has to grow indoors which is more costly and have a perpetual garden. He can and does, but there are other patients who can only grow outdoors. Which is why we have the LNPPs. Which is also why the DOH is finally doing some site visits of the patients with licenses....too many are breaking the rules and growing more than is allowed. I have heard of some of the patients selling their meds, too. Which of course is against the rules, but they figure they won't get caught. Also heard of people buying from the low-priced Albuquerque producers and reselling too. Haven't seen any of the $8 meds. Has anyone here? Quality?

CFO as usual your right that is one part of the rules that needs to be looked at.There are many Patients in the program that can't afford to be subsidizing PNM when NM is know for the amount of sunshine we get. and if you grow your 4 plants outside in the summer or if you figure your light cycles right you can get more than one harvest a year yes you will have to do a little more work but you don't need any indoor lighting.The 12 month supply would be a better time frame.Then if you did need more than the 2 oz.s a month that would work with the 12 month thing. P.S. CFO Did not get any of that but my thinking you get what you pay for. but when you are talking about our meds. ????

[nmkush]

I have been reading this forum for a long time and find it hard to post because of all the passive aggressive bs about who grows what better and how. Everyone thinks they grow the best, but all you can do is learn at every step no matter how good you are. It seems the ones recommending producers have a vested interest in said producer, i.e. they are on the board. There should be transparency on who you work with before recommending medicine. It would make it easier to take their recommendations with a grain of salt. This group should be united to help each other grow and purchase better meds with the help from forum members, not bashing or arguing over opinions.

Yes you can do organic hydroponics. Google Guppy-Ponics, something started by Breeder Steve in early 2000 or so.

Using hydroponic techniques does not fully take advantage of the michorizza, trichoderma, and beneficial enzymes that are the major factors breaking down and converting organic matter, thus feeding the plants. Adding "sugar" before harvest feeds the enzymes therefore making nutrient uptake more readily available and aiding in breaking down dead matter. Soil is the best carrier for these fungi and enzymes, therefore making it the best option for organic growing.

Alfonso, Fire, White Fire, OG Fire, Raskals OG etc are all strains by OG Raskal working with or through Cali Connection. This group like Voodoo Child said is producing the finest medical strains around. Raskal, Swerve, Hysterex and TDS seem to be on the cutting edge of mmj breeding. Using the term "fire" also seems to be interchangeable with the term "dank". So, it could either be referring to the strain, or an adjective for really good bud.

Nice avatar voodoo, looks like a nice alien cut! Alien Kush or Purple Alien Kush is Las Vegas Purple Kush crossed with the Alien Tech male. If you don't know the Alien Tech, google it, it is a nice story. There are different phenotypes from the same cross i.e., alien kush 4, Alien Kush 5 etc. Packs of 10 seeds were going for upwards of $1500 when they came out a few years back. Rumor is the original Alien Tech male was lost, so I'm not sure how NM producers had seeds unless bred themselves. If they were bred in-house it would be nice to know the genetics used. The Alien Tech has added a lot to recent breeding projects as it is a 100% indica male that adds amazing frost to anything it touches.

nmk

[kayakush]

i wish i had a medicine issue but where i m at it, its not so therefore i cant add anything to this thread......hope the quality goes up there

[alfonso2002]

I have been reading this forum for a long time and find it hard to post because of all the passive aggressive bs about who grows what better and how. Everyone thinks they grow the best, but all you can do is learn at every step no matter how good you are. It seems the ones recommending producers have a vested interest in said producer, i.e. they are on the board. There should be transparency on who you work with before recommending medicine. It would make it easier to take their recommendations with a grain of salt. This group should be united to help each other grow and purchase better meds with the help from forum members, not bashing or arguing over opinions.

Yes you can do organic hydroponics. Google Guppy-Ponics, something started by Breeder Steve in early 2000 or so.

Using hydroponic techniques does not fully take advantage of the michorizza, trichoderma, and beneficial enzymes that are the major factors breaking down and converting organic matter, thus feeding the plants. Adding "sugar" before harvest feeds the enzymes therefore making nutrient uptake more readily available and aiding in breaking down dead matter. Soil is the best carrier for these fungi and enzymes, therefore making it the best option for organic growing.

Alfonso, Fire, White Fire, OG Fire, Raskals OG etc are all strains by OG Raskal working with or through Cali Connection. This group like Voodoo Child said is producing the finest medical strains around. Raskal, Swerve, Hysterex and TDS seem to be on the cutting edge of mmj breeding. Using the term "fire" also seems to be interchangeable with the term "dank". So, it could either be referring to the strain, or an adjective for really good bud.

Nice avatar voodoo, looks like a nice alien cut! Alien Kush or Purple Alien Kush is Las Vegas Purple Kush crossed with the Alien Tech male. If you don't know the Alien Tech, google it, it is a nice story. There are different phenotypes from the same cross i.e., alien kush 4, Alien Kush 5 etc. Packs of 10 seeds were going for upwards of $1500 when they came out a few years back. Rumor is the original Alien Tech male was lost, so I'm not sure how NM producers had seeds unless bred themselves. If they were bred in-house it would be nice to know the genetics used. The Alien Tech has added a lot to recent breeding projects as it is a 100% indica male that adds amazing frost to anything it touches.

nmk

Post away I will not post to any of your posts I am not on this site to start any trouble with anyone all I try to do is post MY opinion.

[voodoo child]

I have been reading this forum for a long time and find it hard to post because of all the passive aggressive bs about who grows what better and how. Everyone thinks they grow the best, but all you can do is learn at every step no matter how good you are. It seems the ones recommending producers have a vested interest in said producer, i.e. they are on the board. There should be transparency on who you work with before recommending medicine. It would make it easier to take their recommendations with a grain of salt. This group should be united to help each other grow and purchase better meds with the help from forum members, not bashing or arguing over opinions.

Yes you can do organic hydroponics. Google Guppy-Ponics, something started by Breeder Steve in early 2000 or so.

Using hydroponic techniques does not fully take advantage of the michorizza, trichoderma, and beneficial enzymes that are the major factors breaking down and converting organic matter, thus feeding the plants. Adding "sugar" before harvest feeds the enzymes therefore making nutrient uptake more readily available and aiding in breaking down dead matter. Soil is the best carrier for these fungi and enzymes, therefore making it the best option for organic growing.

Alfonso, Fire, White Fire, OG Fire, Raskals OG etc are all strains by OG Raskal working with or through Cali Connection. This group like Voodoo Child said is producing the finest medical strains around. Raskal, Swerve, Hysterex and TDS seem to be on the cutting edge of mmj breeding. Using the term "fire" also seems to be interchangeable with the term "dank". So, it could either be referring to the strain, or an adjective for really good bud.

Nice avatar voodoo, looks like a nice alien cut! Alien Kush or Purple Alien Kush is Las Vegas Purple Kush crossed with the Alien Tech male. If you don't know the Alien Tech, google it, it is a nice story. There are different phenotypes from the same cross i.e., alien kush 4, Alien Kush 5 etc. Packs of 10 seeds were going for upwards of $1500 when they came out a few years back. Rumor is the original Alien Tech male was lost, so I'm not sure how NM producers had seeds unless bred themselves. If they were bred in-house it would be nice to know the genetics used. The Alien Tech has added a lot to recent breeding projects as it is a 100% indica male that adds amazing frost to anything it touches.

nmk

Thanks for all that info nmkush!
one of SFINM's delivery drivers told me they held over 20 "elite cuts"
that list contained Chem4,ChemD,Daywrecker,HeadBand,Wifi #3,White MasterKush, Alien Urkle Kush,WhiteStarDawg,WhiteUrkle,ECSD,Tres Dawg,BerryWhite,GDPurple,True OG,Guava13,StrawBerryBubba Kush and many more......

I was told they grew out the Alien Kush from seeds that OBSoul gave their grower.......That pheno in my avatar is AAA! Dank!Glad I hung onto it!

There was some kind of Cali connection it seems, as I bought OGRaskal Fem seeds from them in the original OGRaskal packs........Check the net, those beans are hard to get>>somebody had some nice connections there for sure
Seems as though their grower was hooked up with Avalon Wellness in Long Beach and Fruit Ridge?

I will miss buying their clones>>always pest and disease free, and verified.......

i'll see if i have some pics on my harddrive?

alfonso my veganic plants do just fine i just like a lot of variety and those cats had organic "elite's" for sale>>gotta be a fool not to jump on that for some killer meds!
I agree alfonso maybe in 5-15 years some of the NM nonprofits will grow real "elite" medical strains like those!

[voodoo child]

Here you go alfonso
here are some of the "elite" Medical strains I have grown veganically
We have WhiteMasterKush,2 pics of WhiteBuba Kush, DayWrecker, and Strawberry Bubba Kush
gotta love Cali genetics!

[alfonso2002]

Those look like some fine buds there

[nmkush]

Nice pics! Sounds like SFINM had the hookup on some real genetics. I hope to see some of the strains you mentioned as cuttings around here soon. Headband and true Chem Dog are some nice keeper strains. Awesome score on the Rascal seeds, those are a serious hard find, I hope you found some males! I have grown out Purple Alien Kush 5 and Raskals OG both were awesome the OG was a little lanky but a fast finisher for an OG. Only ended up keeping the alien, it looks spot on like the pic you posted, smells like berries.

nmkush

[shadowyazn]

Hey everybody sorry for being away for so long..busy with the new year and all. hope everyone had a great holiday season. i know im a little late, but just wanted to let everyone know Im in the process of creating a preliminary basic webpage for patients of the NMMCP to read independent reviews of medicine from around the state. I've contacted some web designers that are friends of mine and some of them have agreed to do it FOR FREE. However, since there is no cost, we will have to work around their schedule since they all hold full-time jobs. Anyone else interested in helping out? I'm looking for somebody in southern NM to review the products out there...no way I'm driving to cruces lol. Oh and BTW voodoo..aweosme pics man. Can't go wrong with Cali genetics..I have some original feminized blueberry seeds from what used to be Medical Kush Beach Club in Venice Beach...so if anyone's interested in growing them out...i don't have the time, place, or PPL yet to do em. I'm sure we could come to some understanding between patients...=) also @ nmkush, its the internet man and an online forum. some people are bound to be ruder than they would be in real life, but just keep in mind that averyone has their own opinion. =) btw that wasnt aimed at anyone in particular, i was just saying in general. I know I'm a dick ;-) lol.

[alfonso2002]

Shadowyazn "I know I'm a dick ;-) lol." I agree LOL not really but here a is a number to contact Jen (505) 510-1717. This group could sure use Help with a web designer I think that they have a web page but need help in setting it up. I'd say give her a call and get some more info on the group. I think you sound like you would fit right in . Blueberry sounds good.

[shadowyazn]

Allright...so I understand some people may take this as a rant...but here goes. Some of you may remember a while back I posted some reviews about the medicine from CG Corrigan...great medicine, well stored, covered in trichomes. However, there was an issue regarding seeds in their Afghan. In a half ounce, I found roughly 25 seeds. When I brought up the issue to CG Corrigan, they were very considerate and offered an exchange or some free medicine on my next purchase. I chose to receive some free medicine for a future purchase, since as I've mentioned before I do not like to return things. I picked up earlier this morning from them again as per my subscription requirements for this month. I returned the seeds to them also this morning and as mentioned, they provided me with 4.5 grams of delicious Pineapple Kush. However, when I got home I started inspecting my current ounce. The half ounce of Northern Lights is amazing! Huge buds with beautiful red hairs and trichome development. Very solid and dense, breaks up nice with a pungent aroma. The half ounce of Sour Diesel is also very nice. Smaller size nugs, slightly fluffy but with relatively nice trichome development. HOWEVER..I've found 59 seeds!!! I've contacted CG and they've agreed to give me a quarter next time when I pick up again, which I believe is awesome on their part. Their customer service over there is top par. The reason I'm writing this is just to inform people out there...be CAREFUL when selecting medicine from CG. In my experience, they have issues with controlling pollination for some reason. They informed me that a hermi branch pollinated a nearby cart which lead to the seeds, so keep that in mind fellow patients.

Has anybody else had an issue with seeds from ANY of the producers? I'd be interested to hear stories if anybody's willing to share. As of yet, out of the other 8 or 9 producers I've tried, I've only found 1 seed so far.

[InsuranceGuy]

Well since you asked.....

I was warned about NaturalRX before I went there, that they had some seedy stuff... Well I have had a couple batches with seeds from them. In a gram of Chem 4D there were 20+ seeds. When I told them about it they gave me a new gram, no seeds.
I have also gotten Lavender Kush from them with seeds.

I have been to a few of the dispencaries in Albq.

Greenleaf= 1 seed from over 2 oz's and I was pissed cause I torched it
Cannucetics= not too much purchased, last stuff loose and scraggly, harsh burn. Getting some SSH from them today @ $10/g and will see how that is.
High Desert Relief= Good guys , struggling, they have had stuff from Red Barn, not impressed with Red Barns products. The Northern Lights I got from HDR was pretty good.
Minerva Canna Group= only got 2 dif varieties to try out. Tastey. Buds were very dry. I am also picking up a couple grams of tangerine Dream from them today to try.
SWOP= have not tried as I wanted to sample their products and buy a gram or 2 of each and they don't sell small amounts. Oh Well...
Not tried CG Corrigan.
Others have not replied or returned my calls. That is fine because my money spends well with the other dispencaries, and the appreciate it!

My take is if you can look at it before buying, That is a good thing. All of the dispencaries are trying. They have some good and some bad. All will work with you if you have a problem with their products. Some ARE better then others. All in All ... I love trying all the strains and finding the best meds for me. If I like it I get more...

[InsuranceGuy]

Well I went to Minerva last nite for Growing 101. Very informative lecture. Eric is a very smart man and knows what he is talking about.

I also must say I am not impressed with the orange Kush I picked up. ( My bad no Tangerine Dream)

I got 1 gram of Orange Kush to try. Still pretty wet/fresh. Went to load one and pinched a seed. Thought I better check it out... 1 gram = 18 seeds UNBELIEVEABLE!!! Thought High Grade was Sinsemillia or seed free. Eric said quote" You may find a seed or two, but as a grower thats not a bad thing". No that would not be bad (1 or 2) but 18 + seeds in 1 gram is not good... especially at those prices... $14/g=$394/oz

I will stick with Greenleaf at 12.50/g... nicely cured and tastey and for the most part seed free....

[shadowyazn]

Very cool insurance! I'm glad to hear people are participating in these classes and seminars that are offered by some producers. I know that tomorrow is Sandia Botanical's Patient Talking Circle so I think I might stop by and see how that goes. Thanks for the update on the orange kush as well, good to know especially since alot of people will be wanting to try it since it's a new strain for minerva. You are correct that sinsemillia DOES have a higher potency then it's seeded counterpart due to the plant being able to focus more on resin and trichome production then seed production. When you find 1 or 2 seeds, it shouldnt affect the potency that much, since the # of seeds is so miniscule to the amount of medicine, etc. However, i feel that there is a limit...18+ seeds is ridiculous in a gram. That IS the gram. The plant literally is focused on reproduction, not on trichome and resin production at that point. The fact that these seeded products are even making their way to the patients in such quantities is indicative of how much attention these producers are paying. How do you not notice when a nugget contains that many seeds when you're weighing it out and packaging it up? Even in all my pre-patient years I very very rarely came across seeds...and never of this magnitude.

As far as Greenleaf goes, I do like their product. IMO not the best, but still up there. The 12.50/g is nice but dont forget about tax! Also...this is something I had an issue with. When I went by last week, one of their employees handed me a bag of one of their strains to check out, since they didn't have any in the jars up front. Apparently, even though these are just regular little baggies, your not allowed to open them or take out the contents. Why would you show me a sample then tell me i can't open the bag to check density, smell, and moisture content? A gentleman, AFTER I had opened it, said something along the lines of "Oh, you opened it you have to buy it now." WTF is this standard operating procedure?

[InsuranceGuy]

I have never heard of this!!! I have opened and smelled every time i have been there. They are really cool people over there. As a matter of fact I will be going there in about an hour, I will mention it to Willie. Don't know how to "fix" that last issue for you but I will inform willie about it if Alfonso has not already.(was he joking or did you have to buy it?)

I agree that, that many seeds is bad. If it had only been 1 or 2 I would not have cared.... but 18+ (I say + cause i have not broken the whole gram up yet....) In my prepatient days I can't remember getting a seed in the last 10 yrs....

[shadowyazn]

Right? And actually, I have had very nice experiences with everyone there as well! I've met Tasha and Lex, both were very helpful and nice. It was the other gentleman who brought that up. Also, I did buy it but not because of that stupid possibly non-existent policy, I bought it because I liked what I had seen. At first, I did think he was just joking because I had never heard of such a policy ANYWHERE so he had to have been right? I didn't really think much of it, but the next time I stopped by the same guy told me something along the lines of 'remember if you open it you agree to purchase'. Also, when I went in I had set an order for 2 grams...when I went in I asked if I could instead pick up a full eighth and the guy looked at me like I was dumb. His response was something along the lines of 'then i'll just be sitting on that 2 grams'. I was so confused by that response that I just said I'd take my 2 and place an order for pickup the next day. It's not that big of an issue for me to drive around and come back to places, but it seems that this gentleman is just trying to make things difficult.

Edit:
Forgot to mention that the gentleman didn't smile or laugh or anything when he said those things...thats why I don't know if he was kidding or not...

Extra Edit:
Also, if you read this before you go in insurance, tell willy or whoever props on the shiskaberry! Big fan!

[shadowyazn]

OMG Verde's Founddation's Bubba Kush is the shiiiit. I just vaped myself into oblivion for the last couple hours and it was awweeesome.

[CFO]

Would sure like to hear if anyone here has tried anything from Mother Earth in Las Cruces or Compassionate Dist. in Ruidoso or MJ Expresso in TorC. Anyone?

[shadowyazn]

Would sure like to hear if anyone here has tried anything from Mother Earth in Las Cruces or Compassionate Dist. in Ruidoso or MJ Expresso in TorC. Anyone?

Agreed. Also..G&G Genetics in grants?

[InsuranceGuy]

Love the Shishkaberry!!! Had to get more... Real Nice :stoned:

I let Willie know. Willie is a good guy.

Love the Shishkaberry!!!! Just had some....

[alfonso2002]

Agreed. Also..G&G Genetics in grants?

When they first opened they had some real nice bud And at that time I was buying from producers and had to buy. The second crop was NOT up to par and gave them a call told them what the problem was and they told me that I could exchange it but they never got back with me on that. So that was the LAST time I did any buying from them.That was a couple of years back.

[shadowyazn]

Would sure like to hear if anyone here has tried anything from Mother Earth in Las Cruces or Compassionate Dist. in Ruidoso or MJ Expresso in TorC. Anyone?

Hey CFO, which places have you tried down there in southern NM? Very curious how the scene is down there since its hard for us ppl in the abq area to make trips down there

[CFO]

Hey CFO, which places have you tried down there in southern NM? Very curious how the scene is down there since its hard for us ppl in the abq area to make trips down there
Don't travel so have only had from Las Cruces. I am not a long-time participant, but have had mixed results. First crop was seedy and called "desert creeper" because it crept up on you (and it did). Outdoor - definitely B grade. But it wasn't grown for the patients originally. It was grown for the patient board members. They wanted to get something out to the patients so they sold the DC for $10/gr. They have improved over the last year and have had many strains from which to choose lately. Just got some Granddaddy Purple which has allowed me to sleep through the night with just 3 tokes. $15/gr but that includes tax. An eighth lasts me a while. Definitely takes the pain away from the neuropathy. They cannot deliver outside of the county because of the ICE checkpoints. We have the other producers who deliver to Cruces, but when I do the math and add the delivery fee (for what I can afford at one time), it works out the same to pay a little more per gram. Plus, as long as they have inventory, I can get it within a day. The other producers deliver twice a month. Will try CD next time I can get to Ruidoso. Haven't heard anything good about the TorC producer ...haven't tried their meds yet.

[CFO]

Wow! Got some H.O.G. from CG Corrigan. Better than anything else I have tried so far. Their White Rhino works almost as well but I try to stay away from anything other than pure Indicas. Gotta get you some!

[CFO]

My brother-in-law informs me that the sativa dominant strains from MEH are great. He had Tangerine Dream, Jack Herer, Humbolt & Grapefruit Diesel. Waiting for the next harvest. Their Ogre Kush worked almost as good as H.O.G. and White Rhino. Looking forward to the strains they received from SFINM. Anyone else had anything from Las Cruces?

[InsuranceGuy]

Got some Lemon Super Haze from Verdes yesterday and DAMN!!!! That is some of the nicest stuff I have seen out there....Looked at the 1/8 th I got in the car and the trichs glistened in the sunlight. I went back in and got another 1/8th.

[CFO]

Wanting to get back to the original point of this thread. Looking for some product reviews. Anyone?

[shadowyazn]

Hey CFO, we're still working on our reviews section...but I'm hopefully meeting with a patient who actually already completed writing the code for an indepth review section on his own before he heard about us and since we've talked hes interested in implementing his work on the site. I'll keep you posted

[CFO]

Great to hear, thanks shadowyazn.

[CFO]

Wow, have been getting some great strains from Mother Earth in Las Cruces. No seeds. Great flavor. If you are in the Las Cruces area you need to register with them so you can purchase from them. They have a sample pack that consists of 6 pre-rolled 1/2 gram each joints (they call them cannarettes) for $50. Their prices include tax.

Spoke with their staff and learned they just received some new strains and will have some great choices in the next 3 months. Talked them out of a list....check these out: Billy the Kidd, Stairway to Heaven, Wolverine Kush, White Fire, White S1, Lemon Alien Dawg, Alien Addictions, Eskimo Kush, Marcian Medicine, Cannonball Express, White Bubba, Granddaddy Purple, Harley Berry (Harlequine x Very Berry Kush), Strawberry Cough, Kandy Kush, Kosher Kush, Hog, Purple Wreck, SAGE, Tangerine Dream and lots more!

They have Mountain Jam available now (excellent 90/10 Indica dominant strain) and said the Tangerine Dream (pure sativa) is up next. If you haven't tried them before, you will want to do so soon.

[thatguyjrod]

Their buds are far from great IMHO, by the time the emails go out half the good stuff is gone! It's not even close to grade A meds, more like b or c at times. To them it's all about the money it seems. Anyone with a small investment can grow equal or better meds. I'll buy shwag from now on until prices drop or quality goes way up. Btw none of my meds look like the ones on their site. I have the Maui waui and my buds look like brick pack Mexican, not at all like the pics, and way leafy. Sorry but they lie calling theirs grade A.

[End Puzzle]

Hello everyone, I’m new and waiting for my card to arrive. (Paperwork mailed 7 Sept 2012)
I seek reviews of the AlbQ and Santa Fe dispensaries please. I’m still trying to figure out how to private message people. I thought of creating a new email just so you all can message me. I would delete the email account in thirty days or so. I could post the address in the forums. If I need to wait until I can truthfully post “card is in my hand” I’m happy to do that as well. Potlocater.com freely posts links to many of the area dispensaries. I see some good info earlier in this thread, however, it’s mostly one year out of date.
Another thing I have wondered about is that my next door neighbor is a fairly high ranking plain-clothed New Mexico State Police officer. Do you all think it would be a good idea to proactively show him my card or can he easily check out my status without the two of us having to talk after he gets in inevitable “whiff” of me medicating. We have extremely small lots in our neighborhood and our houses are only about 15 feet apart.
If anyone cares to PM me with help PMing others I would be grateful
Thank you all in advance for your time and help.

[End Puzzle]

“-- No Posts containing email addresses and/or the like”
I’ll not be posting a short term Email address.
I’ll be darned if I can find a way to PM another user.

[CFO]

Their buds are far from great IMHO, by the time the emails go out half the good stuff is gone! It's not even close to grade A meds, more like b or c at times. To them it's all about the money it seems. Anyone with a small investment can grow equal or better meds. I'll buy shwag from now on until prices drop or quality goes way up. Btw none of my meds look like the ones on their site. I have the Maui waui and my buds look like brick pack Mexican, not at all like the pics, and way leafy. Sorry but they lie calling theirs grade A.

It's a good thing this person is banned. His description of the Maui Waui was totally untrue. Have never had anything that looked, smelled or tasted like "Mexican Brick" from Mother Earth. Obviously the intent was to harm Mother Earth. Patients can now purchase 3 grams minimum. Makes it nice when there are multiple strains available to be able to try a gram of each.