Best way to thicken main stem?

[Da1KrayzieThug]

I've only heard of having a fan blow on them but I'd like to know what you guys think.

[smokinlowrider4u]

move a little closer to the light might help. Plus the fan . fan is a must

[BobBong]

there's no real way to enhance the thickness of the stem. IT thickens with age, when i harvested my 3 month old plant, the stem was a good 3/4 of an inch in diameter...it was a bitch to cut through

[HARDDON]

Weed stems blowing in the wind do indeed create micro tears in the stem cellular structure. When repairing the cells, the plant will repair and then add an extra layer of collagen at the point of repair to 'prevent' the structure from breaking down again.

Stems are like bones....you will never break a bone in the same place twice. The repair site is indeed thicker than the unbroken part.

I think in addition to the winds, Bobbong is correct in that light is the other factor affecting girth of stems.

Other than that, is the usual genetics, nutes and environment. I think it all plays a role, even if in a minute degree.

[BobBong]

:p I figured fans/blowing wind was a given.

[cotch and bun]

if possible, put the plants outside for an hour or two every so often so the plant can blow around naturally for a bit

[HARDDON]

if possible, put the plants outside for an hour or two every so often so the plant can blow around naturally for a bit

I question this practice.

Not saying its wrong, but, I question the overall strategy.

Moving in and out forces several variances of stress on plants.

Adjustment to outdoor temperatures stresses.
Adjustment back to indoor temperatures stresses.
Risk of pest infestation outdoors increases.
Adjustment to outdoor light spectrum and intensity stresses.
Adjustment back to indoor light spectrum and intensity stresses again.
Fear of being seen by weed haters causes stress (on grower not plant) ;)

Stress in plants appears to have a real relation to the sex of the plant... the more stress, the more males.

However, the more stresses on a turned female plant can increase THC production if done without the specific stress that cause a female to turn hermie.

I still say the fan is the single handed best way to increase stem growth, which, is primarily designed to support flower weight and growth.

[Zandor]

A fan moving air around CalMag Plus and a silicate formula like AN Barricade will substantially strength the plants cell wall and vigor. At harvest mine are about 3â?�-5â?� round and I could not grow without that stuff.

[HARDDON]

5" round stems frm an indoor grow?

Not that I am not convinced, however, could I see a pic of one of those stems?

What is the tree, 10' tall?

I would love to have a 5" wide penis, but would kill for a 5" plant stem.

hehehhehhehehhehee

[Da1KrayzieThug]

That's why zandor gets pounds of yield per plant :D

[Zandor]

http://gallery.cannabis.com//displayimage.php?pos=-13199

How big do you think these are week into flower?

[Zandor]

http://gallery.cannabis.com//albums/userpics/29626/KBS.jpg

[Zandor]

I guess I just cant get the thumbnails to work for me....O well

Most of them are 5-6' tall but it's how wide they are and how many branches they have that requires larger trunks. We grow with lava rock because the grow rock is not strong enough to keep them stright. They just don't anchor right. Grow rocks are great for 99% of hydro growers but they don't work well for KBS style.

[Da1KrayzieThug]

Goddamn Zandor.

[HARDDON]

Holy Shit Batman.

THose are fricking trees. That aint a plant. Thats a tree.

Explain KBS...i want to grow a tree.

[Da1KrayzieThug]

fo real man u can hide a fukkin car in those bitches! >:D

[Zandor]

Those are only about 4 weeks into flower. They got bigger later on with buds on every branch. I'll see if I can find any pictures around of the final harvest.

Growing trees is different then most normal grows. Anybody can do it but you don't go halfway, it cost big money to set up a room and all the equipment. The room required is 4x4 to 5x5 per plant and 100% of the environment must be controlled. Even the seedling need to be started stress free and controlled. I guess you could say this system is for the true control freak. It took me 20 years to figure this out and a lot of help from some other people. The one forum dedicated to this style of growing is private only (sorry, itâ??s not mine). If you want to know more there is another post somewhere where I laid out how to grow trees.

Itâ??s not that itâ??s hard itâ??s just you need to rid yourself of a lot of crap you learned over the past years of growing.

This picture is from a friend and the yield was 3.5 pounds.
Each sprout averaged almost a full ounce each.

[HARDDON]

Jesus H. Christ.

That oughta be illegal.

I will have to wait til the kids move out before I can dedicate that kind of space to it.

I will though the second they are gone.

I want to grow trees.

[Zandor]

Jesus H. Christ.

That oughta be illegal.

I will have to wait til the kids move out before I can dedicate that kind of space to it.

I will though the second they are gone.

I want to grow trees.
When you are ready the setup cost about 8-10k per room USD. If you sell; the first crop breaks you even and by the second crop you are making money.

Look me up HARDDON I'll show you the way.

[HARDDON]

I will Zandor...

I want to grow a forest.

Cost is not a concern and I don't ever sell weed...I just give it away.

I just want to grow fucking trees like that.

holy shit those are obscene!

[Zandor]

You are like me then. I give mine away too for about 20 medical people here.

C.A.P. XGC-1 Xtreme Greenhouse Controller is one of the first things to start with. It would improve your current grow too. You can find it on eBay for about 700-800 the store price is 900. I use 2 of them one for the veg and one for the flower room. CO² is another thing you can get to increase your current grow. The tank type is the way to go for small to medium grows.

[HARDDON]

Zandor,

I get the fun out of growing the stuff. I have way more smoke than I could ever smoke laying all over the place.

I find bags of weed in my winter coat pockets from year ago. Wife cant stand it. But i get stoned and forget where i put it, so i just go to my stash poing and fill up again.

So yes, I too share it....

Anyhow, I have built my cabinet and have spared no expense. I really was thinking about the co2...but i understand:

1. co2 is used by the plant during light stage.
2. the co2 will pour to the bottom of the air level.

Well, since my fans and exhaust are running full board during light sessions, will not the co2 i put in just be sucked right out?

I realize if I have a room that might be different, but how could I effectively gas the grow space and know it wount be sucked right out.

I have a 250cfm exhaust with 2 passive 4" intakes.

my veg chamber is 3.5 sq ft and 30 inches high.

Please let me know what YOU would do if YOU were in MY situation.

THanks Zandor

[Zandor]

You need cooling to run CO² like an AC unit. If you have air-cooled hoods heat should not be a problem. You are correct the CO² would leak out. You need a sealed environment and the idea is to raise the level around 1800 PPm and hold it there for several hours. Evacuate the room with the vent for how ever long it take to exchange 100% of the air and then pump CO² in again up to 1800 PPm and hold it there. Think how you can pipe the air from a window unit AC into your area. What is the RH in your flower and veg area or do you even worry about that?

You could put your exhaust on timmers so they do not run durning the period you are using CO².

NOTE: CO² is worthless if you do not have HID lights, fluorescents do not produce enough light for the plant to process the extra CO². 400w is the minimum light for good CO² absorption.

[HARDDON]

Zandor,

Thanks for the input. Well I am pretty much committed, financially, to the CFL I have invested in for vegging. For flowering, I will use both MH and HPS and prolly some low mounted CFL as well.

So I could use the co2 for flowering, but I think i read its best for veg state. Is that correct?

Yes the heat is an issue of concern, only because I like to sleep at night not worrying about a fire.

The new light set up i have, comes with a tube cooler so I will run exhaust right in and right out of the box.

I could cut out a small square and take the door off a mini fridge and seal the mini fridge wide open and just make that a part of the closet, eh?

(fuck I luv this shit)

(esspecially when I am baked)

yes, the mini fridge can spew the cold air right into the flower chamber!

I am gonna think about this, please give me your thoughts on the mini fridge idea.

thanks

[Zandor]

Using CFC for veg save the CO² it wont work with them. I run CO² veg and flower right up to the day I chop them. Mini fridge? intresting thought. Keep an eye on the humidity when you use AC you need to raise the level. You keep the RH higher in the veg and lower it the last 2 weeks before harvest.

You want a temperature range of 72-80f for the whole time if you can.

[GTC21]

Wow Zandor! That's one scary ass plant, what a monster.

[Capton]

Dude Use Norwegen seeweed Or look for 0-0-10 Or the last number N-P-K
The K is what gives you stong stems..

[HARDDON]

Yea but not during Veg state.