My Experience with Rick Simpson Oil

[GrowGoddess]

A while back, I kept hearing about it, read about it, and also about other concentrates.
With my experience in using cannabis, from Colombian Gold, Thai Stick, Strawberry Cough, to Querkle, finger hash, different types of medibles (brownies, butter, cookies, candy) the medibles never really impressed me. I am sure they work for others, but for me, they did nothing. I also found it hard to believe the testimonies on the Run From the Cure video, that cannabis, when used correctly, can cure illness and disease assist in pain management, getting off of highly addictive pain medication, and so on.

I did not believe that any of the oil extracts could be as potent as people had said, especially the Rick Simpson Oil.
Out of all the information and research, it seems to me that the Rick Simpson Oil was my best option for treating cancer patients. So I decided to give it a try and see for myself. I have many years of experience in growing high quality medical grade marijuana, indoor, 100% organic.
It took some time, but I saved up a large quantity of premium bud and followed the Rick Simpson directions (my buds were much more manicured than the ones in his video).

I used 9 oz of premium bud, bone dry. I soaked the bud material in 99% isopropyl alcohol, a bit longer than recommended though. When I got to the point of putting it on the coffee cup warmer it took about 6 to 8 hours before the oil stopped bubbling, telling me that the iso had all been evaporated out. I then sucked the oil up into 2 tsp sized syringes while it was still warm. After it cooled down, I sampled a dose the size of a grain of rice, and I couldn't believe it! It offered much more than any bud I have ever smoked. I was absolutely shocked. After trying it, it made me a believer that the people in the video were speaking the truth of the oil curing them of their illnesses. I never had anything like it before in my life.

My cancer patient couldn't handle taking three doses a day, the size of a grain of rice. It was too strong. When taking three doses, it seems to build up in your system, and you can develop a tolerance. Both of my patients, it took them each six weeks before they were capable of increasing the dose size.

One of my patients has Hodgkin's Lymphoma, a cancer that develops in the lymph-nodes, he has been battling this disease for 11 years and had been receiving chemo treatments and was facing radiation treatment, but he chose to try the oil first. Normally he would have already been taking his annual holiday visit to the hospital for a 6 week term for another bout of chemo, but this time I would have been radiation because he was getting worse and the chemo was hurting his body. He has yet to have been admitted this year. His doctors have even commented that he would be back before Thanksgiving. Well Thanksgiving has come and gone, he is not in the hospital, he is at home with his family and feeling pretty darn good. I think he will even be home for Christmas and be able to ring in the New Year at home. I am not claiming it is going to cure him, but I do believe it is doing him better than what the doctors have offered him during the past 11 years. If anything, this oil has offered this patient much hope. I will be sure to update on his condition in the future.

I would also like to note a warning when taking this concentrated oil. It is very potent! This is something that a user should start off with small doses. Just one dose a little bit bigger than a grain of rice, had me lying down for a couple hours, praying to God to bring me back down. Also, my patients and I, when taking the oil three times a day, have noticed when waking up with the first cup of coffee, before taking the morning dose, feel a little buzzed. I highly recommend to make your own oil. I have tried others and got nothing from it.

Here is the batch of oil made with the 9 oz of product. It produced 8.5 teaspoons of the simpson oil. If you ask me, simpson oil is more efficient than smoking bud. It is not for everyone. One small dose of the oil has much longer lasting effects then any other marijuana products I have tried. The effects can last from 6 to 12 hours from one small dose.

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This oil in the picture below was made more for using in a vaporizer. It is much more golden, but for ingesting, I think the darker oil has a higher medicinal value. I also believe that the more golden oil is higher in THC. The reason why this batch was more golden is because it was ultra high quality manicured, no leaf material what so ever, and the plants were intentionally nitrogen stressed before harvest, for a lower chlorophyll amount. When vaping the golden simpson oil, the taste is incredible.

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After making many batches of the simpson oil, I would strongly recommend to use 1/4 lb. or more of indoor grown premium bud. Anything less would be wasteful in my opinion.

I hope this information is helpful.

[GaGrown]

Any info you can suggest would be more than welcome! I've seen your work! Nothing but PROPS,here!

Ga.

[GrowGoddess]

Thanks, I appreciate that.

Forgive me, but what is PROPS?

[GaGrown]

Thanks, I appreciate that.

Forgive me, but what is PROPS?

Credit for...Congrats or anything that has to do with recognition! Or a big Hoooorah!:thumbsup:

Ga.

[GaGrown]

If you had a lab coat on... I'd swear you were Stinky Attic! She grew some WICKED weed! One of my mentors! Along with Dutch,Rusty,Emmie,Dreamer,Uncle Ben, FIRST AND FOREMOST! Late Great!mota20.. They know who she is! They all have at more than 1 time contributed to my well being! No Lie! Thank all ya'll! There are alot I did'nt mention.. I'm stoned and this could possibly be a subdude rant! I love Indica!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ga.

[drudown11]

Simpson oil represents everything that medicinal marijuana stands for. Ive heard people with cancer claim that with no chemo, surgery, or radiation....the simpson oil on its own reduced the size of the cancerous tumors.


Thanks for bringing it in the light. More people need to know about its effects :rasta::thumbsup:

[bigsby]

Nice work you are doing. I will definitely give the simpson oil a go if I ever build up that kind of inventory... I'm curious about how you store it and how you dispense it? Also, do you have a sense of shelf life?

You're grow space looks awesome. Well done. You must have been well pleased with yourself when that was completed. I'm wondering about the square footage of each room? Also, do you use the greenhouse vaporizer for sulfur? Can you educate us a bit on that? And finally, after completing your build and putting it through its paces, what would you do differently if you were starting again? I completed a much smaller, studs to lights build about a year ago. My only real gripe is where I placed one or two of the outlets. They should have been a bit higher is all. Not much of a gripe really.

[GaGrown]

Nice work you are doing. I will definitely give the simpson oil a go if I ever build up that kind of inventory... I'm curious about how you store it and how you dispense it? Also, do you have a sense of shelf life?

You're grow space looks awesome. Well done. You must have been well pleased with yourself when that was completed. I'm wondering about the square footage of each room? Also, do you use the greenhouse vaporizer for sulfur? Can you educate us a bit on that? And finally, after completing your build and putting it through its paces, what would you do differently if you were starting again? I completed a much smaller, studs to lights build about a year ago. My only real gripe is where I placed one or two of the outlets. They should have been a bit higher is all. Not much of a gripe really.


Naw... Just a lil' longer cord,huh? When I move. I'm gonna have a Dream Room! From stud to light.

Ga.

[bigsby]

Oh it's only a matter of 1 foot. Just a peeve is all. I love my room. It's an awesome hobby setup. Cab, stainless steal counter space, 3 x 5 foot scrog. More than I need.

[GrowGoddess]

If you had a lab coat on... I'd swear you were Stinky Attic! She grew some WICKED weed! One of my mentors! Along with Dutch,Rusty,Emmie,Dreamer,Uncle Ben, FIRST AND FOREMOST! Late Great!mota20.. They know who she is! They all have at more than 1 time contributed to my well being! No Lie! Thank all ya'll! There are alot I did'nt mention.. I'm stoned and this could possibly be a subdude rant! I love Indica!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ga.

Naw, just GrowGoddess from Michigan. Never used any other screen name when it comes to growing mj.

[GrowGoddess]

Nice work you are doing. I will definitely give the simpson oil a go if I ever build up that kind of inventory... I'm curious about how you store it and how you dispense it? Also, do you have a sense of shelf life?

You're grow space looks awesome. Well done. You must have been well pleased with yourself when that was completed. I'm wondering about the square footage of each room? Also, do you use the greenhouse vaporizer for sulfur? Can you educate us a bit on that? And finally, after completing your build and putting it through its paces, what would you do differently if you were starting again? I completed a much smaller, studs to lights build about a year ago. My only real gripe is where I placed one or two of the outlets. They should have been a bit higher is all. Not much of a gripe really.

Dispensing of the oil is from the syringes it is stored in, just a little pressure on the plunger. As for the shelf life, according to Rick Simpson and his group at PhoenixTears, it has a very long shelf life. If kept in the refrigerator and well sealed, it should last years. So far I have one syringe that is from 9 months ago, which as been stored in a safe, and the oil is the same as when it was first made. It is probably the best way to store medical marijuana for long term, in oil form.

The main room that the flower closet is in, is around 135 sf. The closet itself is around 40 sf.

I have used the greenhouse vaporizer for sulfur, only needed to use it once though. I had encountered powdery mildew and the sulfur burner solved the issue 100%, never had an issue since. I only used the sulfur burner for a couple of hours in the grow room. I did two treatments during the time the lights would be on, but had the lights off. I do not recommend running a sulfur burner for more than 2-4 hours, or letting the sulfur burn. In my use, I only let the sulfur melt, I wouldn't allow it to burn. Just my opinion.

Would I have done anything different? Now that is a great question!
Well, fortunately not much would I do differently. I would have tiled the floor before starting a grow though. The fan speed adjusters, I wanted the type that mount on the wall, like what you would use for a household ceiling fan, but they were out of stock and I was low on patience! So I just got the speedster controllers, I have no complaints with them except for the wires being visible. Now that I know, I would have had my veg room completely rebuilt before putting the flower room in use. I underestimated the intensity of the 1000W HPS lights. My current veg room did not properly accommodate the new flower closet. There was not enough light in veg to where the plants had a difficult time adapting to the intense light in the flower room. If I just put the plants into the flower room without training them, they would end up with severe UV burn. Not sure if UV burn is the proper statement, but the plants had a difficult time adapting right away. My new veg room needs HID rather than High Output fluorescent. I may be able to better answer the question "Would I have done anything different" after completion of my future project, a new flower closet using (3) 600W HPS, with a little different shape of room, but very close in square footage. I have never used a 600 watt light before. It was a difficult decision with the first closet between (3) 600W or (2) 1000W lights. I went with the (2) 1000W because they were less expensive than (3) 600W. If I ever get the 600W closet done, and run a comparison between the two closet, I will be sure to report the results.

Thanks for the comments!

[GaGrown]

Naw, just GrowGoddess from Michigan. Never used any other screen name when it comes to growing mj.

I assure it was an Awesome compliment... Hell.. Check her posts... I've always had the same one myself.

Ga.

[painretreat]

:420thought:Say, GroGo, if you have time and most likely you are keeping records of which types of ca & dose, etc. Would really be interested. I've read a lot of studies that imply, just as you, that mmj may cure some cancers. Am very interested in it. As, I believe people like you, with controlled growing and experimention can help to document.

There is no one like our precious Stinky! Just for a tidbit of info here: She and Image Reaper took 4th place in the Cannibis Cup a few years back with NorCal Daddy's Girl! I am sure we would definitely recognize a post by Stinky Attic. Oddly, I was thinking the same thing GG, but figured the post might get nuked and did not want the thread to change its' content!

Your purples picture and post is totally awesome. Haven't seen such pretty purples like that. Nice to know, better to grow in winter for color!:smokin: pr

[GrowGoddess]

I assure it was an Awesome compliment... Hell.. Check her posts... I've always had the same one myself.

Ga.

Oh yes, I took it as a complement. Thanks! I will be sure to check out those posts. I think I have heard that name somewhere, maybe in a magazine, can't remember.

[GrowGoddess]

:420thought:Say, GroGo, if you have time and most likely you are keeping records of which types of ca & dose, etc. Would really be interested. I've read a lot of studies that imply, just as you, that mmj may cure some cancers. Am very interested in it. As, I believe people like you, with controlled growing and experimention can help to document.

There is no one like our precious Stinky! Just for a tidbit of info here: She and Image Reaper took 4th place in the Cannibis Cup a few years back with NorCal Daddy's Girl! I am sure we would definitely recognize a post by Stinky Attic. Oddly, I was thinking the same thing GG, but figured the post might get nuked and did not want the thread to change its' content!

Your purples picture and post is totally awesome. Haven't seen such pretty purples like that. Nice to know, better to grow in winter for color!:smokin: pr

I have been keeping records on making the oil. So far though I have only made the oil mixed with 4 strains as recommended from Rick. I am hoping in the future I will have some records of the individual strains when making the oil, haven't reached that point yet.

I have done quite a bit of research on the oil and the effects on some cancers and other illnesses. There is solid evidence that the oil does shrink tumors and cures some cancers and other diseases. One patient I have encountered has severe gout. He took only a few doses of the oil, and the gout literally disappeared from his knuckles. Three months later, without taking any more oil, the gout had not returned to his knuckles and the gout on the rest of his body is still visible, but the swelling was reduced a bit. If he went through the full treatment, I believe the gout would be completely gone. There are many others doing studies and keeping records. More and more information is becoming available about the oil and its medicinal values. It is very exciting really. Like Rick Simpson says, "The plant cannot be patented" so the pharmaceutical companies are making sure that mj continues to be illegal or they will lose billions of dollars. Hemp used to be in almost all medicines 100 years ago.

Thanks again for your complements.

[painretreat]

That is a good one. I am so for Legalization. I know so many with illness and unable to convince them to use Cannabis. Too 'old school.' Tried to convince someone last summer, only 82 yrs old to try it for multiple medical problems. Sometimes I wish I could figure out a way to avoid my guilt and slip some in pills to them! Not that brave though. I simply stick to 'education' and hope it sinks in!

Willing cancer patients--does it get much better? Don't think so! Took care of a friend 10 years ago and got some good grade to give and ended up using it myself to dull the affect of 'stubburness' of an idiot with cancer! Managed to get her Doc on the phone and explained on a Friday he needed to do something before the Sat. unable to keep anything down or 'in'. What a friggin mess it was. By Sunday had to get admitted to Hospital for 4 days due to ineffective case management. Was a popular HMO here. Raised hell with them for it. The doc 'vanished' within a month! When I get someone on my radar, I just don't quit. He was the director of the Cancer Dept!

Cancer, is not my field of specialty. But, has become a great area of continued education and research-as if we live to be 'old enough' we can manage to get some sort of cancer. Since, we all have cancer cells in our bodies, we need to learn more about, 'not feeding the random cells.' gotta go a 5 yr. old needs my attention! pr

[bigsby]

2x 600w are the way to go. Considerably less heat and much better coverage. Plus you can get one ballast to drive both lights. The efficiency gains are considerable. What kind of ballasts are you running? I'm about to pull the trigger on a Powerhouse magnetic 400w HPS. Best quality ballast as far as I can tell. 8 year warranty.

[GrowGoddess]

2x 600w are the way to go. Considerably less heat and much better coverage. Plus you can get one ballast to drive both lights. The efficiency gains are considerable. What kind of ballasts are you running? I'm about to pull the trigger on a Powerhouse magnetic 400w HPS. Best quality ballast as far as I can tell. 8 year warranty.

I am running the 1000W switchable powerhouse ballast, 8 year warranty. Nice and quiet, low vibration, old school reliable in my book.

[drudown11]

I am running the 1000W switchable powerhouse ballast, 8 year warranty. Nice and quiet, low vibration, old school reliable in my book.

Sometimes old school and simple is the only way. My $120 magnetic ballast has lasted me 4 years, while my fancy 300$ digital ballast lasted a whole 7 months before shorting out!

[bigsby]

I was looking digital but the more I read about the electronic ballasts the less I liked what I was reading. Seems they have serious issues and the power saving is not that dramatic. After doing my homework I decided I want to go with a ceramic metal halide bulb which solidified my choice of a magnetic ballast as they don't run off of e-ballasts. Then I came across the powerhouse ballasts and was very impressed by the 8 year warranty. No one even comes close to that which leads me to believe they must produce a damn good product if they are willing to back it with that kind of warranty.

[yujiro1982]

1 what are the strains work best for cancer, I heard anything over 20% of THC will work

2 are they're any other plant i can practice this method of extracting the oil, i am new at this

[GrowGoddess]

1 what are the strains work best for cancer, I heard anything over 20% of THC will work

2 are they're any other plant i can practice this method of extracting the oil, i am new at this

Great Questions!

Question #1 - It is unknown at this time as to what strains are best for cancer. It is not all about THC. There are 85 different cannabinoids in marijuana. We know THC shrinks tumors, manages pain, and has other benefits and it is strongly believed that the other cannabinoids have medicinal values and also have different effects.
I recommend using at minimum three different strains to make the oil and at least half indica dominant. I believe a good strain would be LA Confidential, it is a triple back crossed indica. Mixing multiple strains will ensure that you are getting a wide variety of different levels of cannabinoids. I do not recommend using plant parts other than the buds. For instance, I would not use leaves, stems, shake, or roots for medicinal use at all. High quality, well manicured buds is the best to use when making the oil.
This is a link to the Rick Simpson video "Run From The Cure". I strongly recommend watching this video before attempting to make the oil. In the video Rick mentions washing or soaking the bud material and straining two times. I usually do three washes. Also, in the video they show using outdoor grown marijuana. It does not look to be well manicured. I have only used indoor grown, well manicured buds. I believe the oil I am making is far more potent. For example: My cancer patients have not been able to consume the dosage amounts as recommended in the video. I believe it is because my oil is much stronger due to being grown indoors and having had high quality manicuring. RUN FROM THE CURE - Full Version - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI) I believe that when using indoor grown well manicured premium buds of strains that are 20% or higher THC your oil will come out twice as strong if not more than Simpson's if not more. If a regular heavy smoker (cannabis) took a dose of the oil the size of a small pea for the first time, they would be "tripping" for at least 24 hours. When Rick says in his video to start with a very small amount, he is not kidding!

Question #2 - I really do not know myself of other plants that can be used with this method of extracting oil.

I would recommend watching the video and being fully prepared. Sacrifice a 1/4 pound of premium bud and make some oil. You will not regret it. It is a miracle oil. Far more potent than any joint you have ever smoked in my opinion. I am a believer about the oil's medicinal qualities.


Thank you for your interest and good luck to you. I believe that you will not regret making the oil, just be safe!

[painretreat]

:thumbsup:Sticky here! Lets hope!:rasta: pr

[bigsby]

Hey GG,

The video mentions a number of different base solvents for extracting. I know that some use isopropyl but I've also read that isopropyl leaves trace elements of known carcinogens. Can you comment on different solvents that can be used with pros vs. cons?

[yujiro1982]

Hey GG,

The video mentions a number of different base solvents for extracting. I know that some use isopropyl but I've also read that isopropyl leaves trace elements of known carcinogens. Can you comment on different solvents that can be used with pros vs. cons?

Someone said in another forum acetone is another alternative, but i want to know how much solvent you need to use per pd

[kayakush]

i would love to try some of that oil.....the problem is i cant get it and i dont have 1/2 lb of premiumn bud......thats cool that is very beneficial to people....

[GrowGoddess]

Hey GG,

The video mentions a number of different base solvents for extracting. I know that some use isopropyl but I've also read that isopropyl leaves trace elements of known carcinogens. Can you comment on different solvents that can be used with pros vs. cons?

I am no expert when it comes to the solvents. I made my decision on what solvent to use just on basic common sense. I felt that the 99% isoporpyl was by far the safest solvent. It is used in hospitals to swab your skin before getting a shot. It is considered safe for sterilization (even for cleaning your bong or pipe). I haven't heard of anyone concerned with the 99% isopropyl being toxic for sterilization. I purchased my 99% isopropyl alcohol at my local Meijer, I had to ask for it at the pharmacy because it was not on the shelf.

Pros & cons, in my opinion, 99% Isopropyl on the down side extracts some chlorophyll, but on the good side in my opinion is much safer. Naphtha on the down side, well it is used as an engine degreaser, in my opinion, it is more dangerous than 99% isopropyl on the good side for naphtha, it might not extract the chlorophyll but I am not for certain on that.

The chlorophyll leaves a bad taste when ingesting, smoking or vaping, and makes the oil dark, and if you ingest too much chlorophyll, you can get chlorophyll poisoning (diarrhea, vomiting, etc.). You are not going to get chlorophyll poisoning if you use quality buds and make the oil properly in my opinion. What is more concerning is the product you use. For example, say you use 4 pounds of leaves and stems, and you have to consume a much larger amount of oil because it is not that potent, then you are consuming large amounts of chlorophyll. When the oil is made right, it is very safe when it comes to the chlorophyll or using 99% isopropyl. What is really more important is how the buds were grown. Were chemical fertilizers or pesticides used? This is far more important because no matter what solvent is used those chemicals could also be extracted and end up in the finished product. That is why I grow only 100% organic in soil and I do not use any pesticides. I always recommend to anybody and everybody to make the oil yourself, because that is the only way you will really know what you are getting. I hear all the time of oil being at the dispensaries and such. So much of that is fake, low grade, diluted, infused with other oils, etc. In my opinion, those oils are not of full medicinal quality. When it comes to cancer and such, having the real high quality clean oil is most important.

With using the 99% isopropyl, there are ways of reducing the amount of chlorophyll extracted. One example is, if your buds were dry and frozen and the 99% isopropyl was also kept in the freezer, you can do two quick 5 minute washes. From what I understand, since the bud and 99% isopropyl are at below freezing temperatures the THC is more easily removed and the chlorophyll is more difficult to remove and the oil should come out a more golden color.

I have seen many debates about which solvent is best. If you drink too much water you can die from water poisoning. It is not so much which solvent, it is all about the product (the cannabis) and being certain to evaporate out the remaining solvent (as shown in the video finishing off on the coffee cup warmer) it is important to bubble out the remaining solvent with a coffee cup warmer, it can take up to 12 hours.

When using any other solvents that may have a small percentage of water, it can extract a percentage of the red oil out of cannabis. The red oil is water soluble and I have not heard any studies being done with the red oil. So I am not sure of its qualities good or bad. I do know that the 99% isopropyl does not extract it.

This picture is of red oil that I extracted after initially washing with the 99% isopropyl. After the remaining cannabis dried I then soaked it in water, filtered, and cooked down to extract the red oil, just out of curiosity. One example of the red oil is that the aroma of the cannabis was in the red oil. I think some studies need to be done on the red oil to see if there are any medicinal values in it. The red oil in the pictures have no THC. I made it for experimental reasons and I discarded it because I do not know if it contained medicinal qualities. I am considering in the future to have a sample tested.
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Here are some pictures of my cannabis soaking in the 99% isopropyl. I chose to do it in quart canning jars so I could shake it up real good and also see what is going on.
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I have a patient that has been ingesting and vaporizing the oil at least three times a day for approximately nine months now and I have had no complaints from him yet. Only complements and positive feedback.

[GrowGoddess]

Something else I do to reduce waste. When I get as much of the oil into the syringes as possible. To clean up the waste, I add a little bit of 99% isopropyl alcohol to thin it back out so I can coat some rolling papers with the oil using the back of a spoon. I put the coated papers onto some wax paper and let it sit out and dry (evaporate the iso) for a day or two. I will put one to three coats of the thinned oil on each paper taking care not to get any on the glue. Doing this will give a joint a little extra kick.

Here are a couple of pictures.

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[GrowGoddess]

i would love to try some of that oil.....the problem is i cant get it and i dont have 1/2 lb of premiumn bud......thats cool that is very beneficial to people....

My first time making the oil I only used about 1/4 pound of bud. Here is a pic of that 1/4 pound which is four different strains.

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You do not have to use a whole 1/4 pound. The problem is that you get the same amount of waste (oil stuck to the sides of the pan, can't get into syringe, etc.) off of two ounces or two pounds. You can try to do it with only one ounce, it is just that it will be more difficult to get into a syringe, but it is a great way to try sampling it to see if it is what you are looking for.

[GrowGoddess]

Someone said in another forum acetone is another alternative, but i want to know how much solvent you need to use per pd

I would not recommend using acetone, but I am not an expert so I really don't know.

Here is just a rough guess of how much solvent. For one pound of cannabis, I would estimate that it would take (12) 16 ounce bottles of 99% isopropyl alcohol. The amount needed varies. It would primarily depend upon how many times you plan to wash the material. The density of the buds is also a factor. Each time I have made the oil the amount of solvent needed has been slightly different. Even when I use the same strains and the same amount of bud, the quality and amount of the oil seems to vary up to 20%. It is a little unpredictable. I would try to make sure there is some extra on hand just in case.

[GrowGoddess]

These are all great questions. There are some that I simply cannot answer. However, I believe that many of your questions can be answered here.

Phoenix Tears (http://phoenixtears.ca/)

Also, here is another video of a miracle cure with a type of cannabis oil that I recommend to view. Shona Banda wrote a book "Live Free or Die", she talks about her battle with crohn's disease. Shona talks about Simpson oil and I heard she speaks of the red oil in her book. I have not read the book yet so I cannot confirm.

Shona Banda - Live Free or Die - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cQrT0sDxyc)

[bigsby]

I recalled reading about the Ispropyl issue some time ago. It's been sticking in my head so today I did a bit of digging on a different board and came up with some information written by Oldmac who taught me a GREAT deal, both directly and via his writings to others in various forums and boards. He was an AWESOME mentor. I have not seen him online for some time. OM I hope you are OK. We miss you!

Anyway, OM recommends using grain alcohol. I see the logic and it is the route I will go if I ever go down this road. I hope this adds to the knowledge base here and the discussion!


By law each 100ml of "denatured" alcohol must contain no less the 355mg of sucrose octaacetate and no less then 1.4mg denatonium benzoate. These, especially denatonium are also added to anti-freeze, windshield wiper fluid etc. to keep people, kids and animals from ingesting such items. But signifacant amounts remain after denatured alcohol evaporates and even tho both are benign if ingested orally, the burning of denatonium benzoate has been shown to be a carcinogen.

Since I have spent the last 25+ years providing mj to cancer treatment patients and also hospice care patients (I see many from the first group later in the second group) I find that anything that falls into the carcinogen category offensive. Especially so when cause (exposure) to effect (cancer) can be 10, 20 or 30 years later.

If you want to take the chance...fine by me, but I would appreciate it if you did not pass along such a recipe to others. Especially since an alternative, grain alcohol, is available.

[GrowGoddess]

I have seen this debate before and I have found through my research that there are many pros and cons to many solvents.

For example 190 Everclear has 5% water in it, which can extract the red oil from the plant material. If you are using chemical fertilizers, you will also be extracting that which in turn will end up in the finished product due to the fact that the fertilizers are water soluble, where the THC and other elements are oil soluble.

I stick with the fact that the quality of the cannabis and the quality of the method of converting into the oil, everything else is secondary. Also, all the people I have seen debate on many, many posts and sites, not once have I seen one of the people try both ways and do a quality comparison. In the future I myself would like to compare iso with 190 everclear. I forewarn, anything less than 190 everclear, it is a wast of money and time, in my opinion.

I have also read that comparing the toxins in the liquor or iso that the liquor carries half the toxins as the iso, so if I am not mistaken, it is probable that the remains of the liquor after processing the oil may also carry a percentage of carcinogens similar to the iso.

I agree, it is worthy to try. Thus far I have no reason to believe that the iso is more dangerous.

Now if he is talking grain alcohol like "moonshine", I have read that it cannot be used, that it is far more dangerous in many ways, I just can't remember the details.

[Weezard]

Howzit Bigs.

The problem with that logic, is the confusion of denatured Ethanol with Isopropyl alcohol.
One of the few thing Oldmac ever got wrong.

Denatured Ethanol does indeed contain those denaturants and should never be used for tinctures, or extractions.
Un-denatured, ethanol, (Grain alcohol), is very expensive and I found it to be less efficient than I. A..


Isopropyl alcohol does not need, and does not contain, any denaturant
It is not necessary.

The skinny:
"
PHARMACOLOGY AND TOXICOLOGY
Isopropyl alcohol is a sedative-hypnotic agent whose toxicity closely resembles that of ethanol, with which it shares strong structural similarity. Like ethanol, isopropyl alcohol's precise mechanism of action in the central nervous system (CNS) remains uncertain. Changes in membrane fluidity and/or function, and interactions with neurotransmitter receptors, are believed to account for the CNS effects of alcohols and other simple hydrocarbons. There is a linear relationship between the molecular weight of alcohols and their sedative effects: as size increases so does sedation. Thus, isopropyl alcohol is marginally more potent than ethanol at comparable concentrations.

Fatality from isolated isopropyl alcohol toxicity is rare, but can result from injury due to inebriant effects, such as untreated coma with airway compromise, or rarely, cardiovascular depression and shock following massive ingestion. Supportive care can avert most morbidity and mortality. It is important to differentiate isopropyl alcohol poisoning from methanol and ethylene glycol, which are more dangerous. Isopropyl alcohol does NOT cause an elevated anion gap acidosis, retinal toxicity (as does methanol), or renal failure (as does ethylene glycol).

In untreated animals, the median lethal dose lies between 4 and 8 g/kg. Many sources estimate the lethal dose to be 250 mL in humans (eg, less than 400 mL of a 70 percent solution). It is important to recognize that, with treatment, adults and children have survived much larger ingestions.
"


Isopropyl will cause serious gastric disturbance if ingested.
(They still get idiots in the E. R. that try it.)
However, it does evaporate completely, leaves no residue, and is quite safe for oil extraction.

Last time O.M logged in to a sister board was 10/25/11. He left no message.
Old fart's got me worried.

Aloha,
Weeze

[GrowGoddess]

Howzit Bigs.

The problem with that logic, is the confusion of denatured Ethanol with Isopropyl alcohol.
One of the few thing Oldmac ever got wrong.

Denatured Ethanol does indeed contain those denaturants and should never be used for tinctures, or extractions.
Un-denatured, ethanol, (Grain alcohol), is very expensive and I found it to be less efficient than I. A..


Isopropyl alcohol does not need, and does not contain, any denaturant
It is not necessary.

The skinny:
"
PHARMACOLOGY AND TOXICOLOGY
Isopropyl alcohol is a sedative-hypnotic agent whose toxicity closely resembles that of ethanol, with which it shares strong structural similarity. Like ethanol, isopropyl alcohol's precise mechanism of action in the central nervous system (CNS) remains uncertain. Changes in membrane fluidity and/or function, and interactions with neurotransmitter receptors, are believed to account for the CNS effects of alcohols and other simple hydrocarbons. There is a linear relationship between the molecular weight of alcohols and their sedative effects: as size increases so does sedation. Thus, isopropyl alcohol is marginally more potent than ethanol at comparable concentrations.

Fatality from isolated isopropyl alcohol toxicity is rare, but can result from injury due to inebriant effects, such as untreated coma with airway compromise, or rarely, cardiovascular depression and shock following massive ingestion. Supportive care can avert most morbidity and mortality. It is important to differentiate isopropyl alcohol poisoning from methanol and ethylene glycol, which are more dangerous. Isopropyl alcohol does NOT cause an elevated anion gap acidosis, retinal toxicity (as does methanol), or renal failure (as does ethylene glycol).

In untreated animals, the median lethal dose lies between 4 and 8 g/kg. Many sources estimate the lethal dose to be 250 mL in humans (eg, less than 400 mL of a 70 percent solution). It is important to recognize that, with treatment, adults and children have survived much larger ingestions.
"


Isopropyl will cause serious gastric disturbance if ingested.
(They still get idiots in the E. R. that try it.)
However, it does evaporate completely, leaves no residue, and is quite safe for oil extraction.

Last time O.M logged in to a sister board was 10/25/11. He left no message.
Old fart's got me worried.

Aloha,
Weeze

Why thank you.

I am not qualified to properly debate on which methods of extraction are better or more safe. I do know that the 190 Everclear will not extract as much TCH as the 99% iso, and the end product (oil) will be more diluted.

I put my trust in Rick Simpson. He is more qualified than I am regarding methods of extraction. He mentions that the iso is a safe alternative to other solvents, so that is what I chose. From a cancer patient's view, like my patient, the iso method has already been proven to work. Using anything else that could cause the oil to come out more diluted would reduce my confidence in its effectiveness.

Bottom line, the most important thing here is that more qualified medical marijuana patients having the opportunity to get safe access to high quality cannabis oil. Also, for everyone in the medical marijuana community to be educated on the potential medicinal benefits of the oil.

[bigsby]

Hey Weez, thanks for setting the record straight. I appreciate you taking the time to lay it out so concisely. I'm quite interested in the subject. And like anything we do, more learning is always a good thing. Hope you are well.

[Weezard]

And thank you, G.G.!

This is an excellent thread!

Were it allowed, I'd rep you daily for it.

I know a li'l chemistry, a li'l electronics, some physics, medicine, dat kine sing.
Anyway that I can he'p, be not shy.

Aloha nui,
Weeze

[Weezard]

Hey Weez, thanks for setting the record straight. I appreciate you taking the time to lay it out so concisely. I'm quite interested in the subject. And like anything we do, more learning is always a good thing. Hope you are well.


I try my 'umble best. :-}

Thanks for the concern.
If my home-brew oil is up to snuff, I'll be quite well.

Howzit with you, brah?

Weeze

[ky1956]

GrowGoddess, thank you so much for sharing this information. Read a post on a different site of someone who put a years worth of AVB in a blender with 99%ISO and let it run for 10 minutes, Then strained, let the alcohol evaporate, and made candies with the remaining goo. Similarly I soaked a 1/2 oz of mexi-brick weed in 5 ozs of Everclear for 5 months, strained, let it dry and ended up with maybe a gram and a half of blackish/greenish hash like goo that was quite potent considering it's humble origins, which were worthless to smoke. I suspect that if either conconction were attempted with quality, all bud product, that the results would be of a similar nature to Rick Simpson oil. Think I'll get some 99% iso once Christmas is over.

[vacko]

Hi guys,

My first post here. I was trying to find perfect strain to make Rick Simpson Oil. He recommends any Indica strain that has 20% or more THC.
I have found on forums that Blueberry, LA Confidental, Buba Kush can be used to make RSO.
I did some RSO with 99% isopropyl alcohol and it's very strong. I don't know which strain I used. Didn't grow it myself.
My wife used it and she can handle only 2-3 rice grains of oil per day. It's very hard for her to increase the dosage. For sure it will take some time.
My questions are:
Are these strains OK to make RSO? Any recommendations are welcome.
Where to buy seeds? We live in Europe. Found some sites like Resin seeds, Rhino seeds, London Seeds centre, Amsterdam seeds,...
Should I buy feminised seeds?
I am planning to grow it and any suggestion on that are very welcome.
Maybe I should grow some strain which is easy to grow. I am interested in Indoor strains.

Cheers

Vac

[Weezard]

Cheers back atcha,

It is my understanding that the THC concentration is less important than the CBD concentration.
That's why Indica strains are recommended.

Been reading a bit and have made some oil from Jack Herer, Gainesville Green and from several Sativa dominate mixes.
The high THC seems to be the limiter on dosage for most people.
They get too high for comfort.

High CBD strains temper the "up-ness" of the THC, and are medically more active for Cancer control.
(Do not quote me on this ,it's just my understanding of what I've read and tried.)

My personal experience is really quite limited.
But, have just germinated some "Herijuana" and some "K.O. Kush" for their thc:cbd:cbn ratios.
Also plan to try some "Anesthesia" and "Jackberry Kush".

Give me a few months and I'll have better information for you.

As for easy to grow indoors?
I found White Widow to be very easy to grow indoors and the end product is quite impressive.

Is the oil medically effective?

I'm currently watching an experiment with an MS patient, and waiting on some test results from a prostate cancer patient.

The remission in the MS patient is stunning!
And I should have some numbers on the cancer patient by the middle of April, but initial results are encouraging.

Please keep us posted on your progress.
Aloha brah,

Wee 'zard

[vacko]

Cheers back atcha,

It is my understanding that the THC concentration is less important than the CBD concentration.
That's why Indica strains are recommended.

Been reading a bit and have made some oil from Jack Herer, Gainesville Green and from several Sativa dominate mixes.
The high THC seems to be the limiter on dosage for most people.
They get too high for comfort.

High CBD strains temper the "up-ness" of the THC, and are medically more active for Cancer control.
(Do not quote me on this ,it's just my understanding of what I've read and tried.)

My personal experience is really quite limited.
But, have just germinated some "Herijuana" and some "K.O. Kush" for their thc:cbd:cbn ratios.
Also plan to try some "Anesthesia" and "Jackberry Kush".

Give me a few months and I'll have better information for you.

As for easy to grow indoors?
I found White Widow to be very easy to grow indoors and the end product is quite impressive.

Is the oil medically effective?

I'm currently watching an experiment with an MS patient, and waiting on some test results from a prostate cancer patient.

The remission in the MS patient is stunning!
And I should have some numbers on the cancer patient by the middle of April, but initial results are encouraging.

Please keep us posted on your progress.
Aloha brah,

Wee 'zard

Hi,

Thanks a lot for advices. I know that Rick Simpson is suggesting to make oil form Indica strain with 20% or more THC. Following this I have found Violator Kush (MalanaXHindu Kush) which has 22% THC and 1.5% CBD on GTA Seedbank - Barney's farm.
Maybe it's better to follow Rick's instructions.
Some people suggested Cannantonic from Resin seeds which has ratio of THC:CBD 1:1.
My wife has mets on her bones. She has started with the oil one month ago. I made the oil myself but don't know which strain.
She's very sleepy after she takes the oil. I hope she will start soon with 1g per day.
She did radiotherapy 2 times last year, no chemo. On Phoenixtears I read that she should take 120-180 g in 6 months.
I will keep you posted on her progress.

Cheers

Vacko

[Weezard]

Hi,

Thanks a lot for advices. I know that Rick Simpson is suggesting to make oil form Indica strain with 20% or more THC. Following this I have found Violator Kush (MalanaXHindu Kush) which has 22% THC and 1.5% CBD on GTA Seedbank - Barney's farm.
Maybe it's better to follow Rick's instructions.

Absolutely!

And it is my understanding that high CBD strains are most effective against cancer.
I looked up the Cannatonic.
It looks like a good bet.
Keep us posted on it please.

I'm trying 3 monster strains for the THC, CBD, CBN.
"Anesthesia", "Herijuana", and K.O. Kush.
Just planted, so it will be a while.

We have found, however, that high THC strains are very effective for MS.
Reduces symptoms while still allowing mobility.
With MS, mobility is often the goal.

So Gainesville Green and Jack Herer we're crossed both ways.
The JH X GG had very large, but mild colas.

But, when I tried GG X JH I was happily surprised by a superb pheno that is now a momma.
Low CBD, very high THC and a miracle with advanced MS.
And that agrees with the federal patents on THC regarding nerve repair.
(Might want to look that up)

Some people suggested Cannantonic from Resin seeds which has ratio of THC:CBD 1:1.
My wife has mets on her bones. She has started with the oil one month ago. I made the oil myself but don't know which strain.
She's very sleepy after she takes the oil. I hope she will start soon with 1g per day.
She did radiotherapy 2 times last year, no chemo. On Phoenixtears I read that she should take 120-180 g in 6 months.
I will keep you posted on her progress.

Cheers

Vacko

You have a good grip on this, Vacko
Been doing your homework, yah?

One month in is a little early for objective proof.
So, subjectively, what's your feeling on progress?

The subjective on the PC patient?

Because of the location of the positive margins upon biopsy, and the perineural invasion.
He should be impotent and be having "elimination problems" by now.
Happily, he appears to be, symptom free. :)
We hope to have some objective, numbers in a little over a month.

And I'm sure you've read Rick's views on chemo and radiation.
Don't let that worry you.
With bone mets, radiation is usually tightly focused on individual mets and is palliative in nature.

Don't cure squat, but it shrinks the tumors, and that lessens the pain.
As long as they weren't killing off the bone marrow it should not weaken her as much as chemo does.

Makes her a good candidate for oil.

A word of warning though.
If the numbers come back good and the doctors ask how.

Be cautious!
Whether you trust the doctor that you are talking to, or not.
He will write it down.
Someone you might not have trusted face to face, will read it.
What we are doing here is illegal.
And some doctors are simply not be be trusted!

The MS doctor was told; "We attribute it to a higher power, and modern science."
My friend came up with that. Brilliant!
(She considers herself a modern scientist, so no lies were told. :)

This story is about to break everywhere, all at once.
Let him read it in the paper. :)

My best to your wife.
And to you, my care-taking friend, I know what you are going through.

Aloha nui, There is hope.

Wee 'zard

[GrowGoddess]

Great News!!

The cancer patient I spoke of at the beginning of this thread has recently gone through a CAT scan. There are no tumors present!!! There was a tumor on his chest that was about the size of a baseball. It and the other tumors are completely gone! The only thing remaining is some scar tissue. He and I alike praise God for this wonderful medicine. Cannabis, and awesome plant, a gift given to us all from God. We should all thank Rick Simpson and the sacrifices he made to make the people aware of what God's plant can do. The patient has gained back the 40 pounds he lost. He looks healthier and better than I have ever seen. I am 100% confident and a true believer that the Rick Simpson Oil, when made and used correctly, can cure cancer. Now after 12 years of battling this disease, this patient is cancer free. We can only give our glory to God for this.

;) :thumbsup: :dance: :clap:

[vacko]

Hi to everybody,

This are really good news. I still don't have any update on my wife. She will have medical check in July/August. For now she feels great, no pain, taking oil 3 times per day, biggest piece before going to bed, she sleeps a lot and she's more relaxed.
Also she's on Budwig diet. It will be one year now.
Only news is that she has hot flashes lately, more during the night.
I will give you update in few months or before. Hope somebody will leave some new posts with more good news.

Cheers

Vacko

[badsocref]

Isopropanol works well, and is probably the safest choice. I cannot comment on carcinogens in pharmaceutical grade isopropanol, but it would seem that it should be minimal. Acetone (pure, not diluted) also works well, and evaporates much faster. USP grade acetone is available and should be reasonably safe (from a health perspective). However acetone has a much lower flash point than isopropanol, so you have to be doubly careful about fires. Don't put acetone in a rice cooker (they're too hot). A double boiler on very low heat would work well (acetone boils at 56C; isopropanol boils at 83C). Also, acetone fumes are far more overwhelming (at least to me) than isopropanol, so be sure to have adequate ventilation. 30-60 pet ether (petroleum ether, 30-60 degree 'cut') or hexane will also work well. I don't know if USP grades of these solvents are available. It's similar to "white gas", but I would not use "white gas" due to impurities. These solvents also evaporate rapidly (like acetone), and have the advantage of extracting much less chlorophyll than acetone or isopropanol. Ethanol (USP or everclear - NOT denatured) is great for tinctures. Actually, you can use any distilled alcohol with an alcohol content over 50% to make a tincture (cask strength scotch or bourbon works well, and tastes mighty good; 151 rum also works well). Extract the plant material a couple of times. Tinctures made from alcohol will contain significant amounts of chlorophyll, but no more than you'd eat in a good helping of spinach. Unless you are especially sensitive to leafy greens, you are not likely to get chlorophyll poisoning. It takes a LOT of chlorophyll to make a person sick.

Have any of you ever had your oil tested?

"Bob"

[GrowGoddess]

Here is a video testimony of the Hodgkin's Lymphoma patient I spoke of in this thread.

Hemp Oil Cures Cancer - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0nwqBtxXKc)

[vacko]

Hi L&G,

I was waiting some time to write this post. My wifes story goes like this: 2004 dg breast cancer hormone positive, HER neg.(full medical treatment chemo,etc...), March 2011 metastatic breast cancer (tripple negative) on her bones. My wife did CT scan today and the results came clear. All organs and bones are clear from new mets. She did 3 radiotherapy treatments on her bones in last year. All organs clear all the time.
Only thing is that her tumor markers came higher than usual. Her CEA 15 3 was usually around 25 (30 is the limit) and today it was 53 and her CEA marker came higher 1.4 and usually it was around 0.3 (0.5 is the limit).
We are worried since her markers were always bellow limit. This is the first time that her markers went sky high.
Her oncologist suggests two options:
1.) Wait 6 weeks and make another blood tests to see if the markers are going up or down
2.) PET CT next week

My question is if anybody have experienced this that RSO showed false results on tumor markers or this is just that the dead cancer cells are leaving the body and they are still in the system or something else.
She had around 50 g of oil in 3 months period + Budwig diet from April 2011.

Any suggestion will be helpfull

Vacko

[Weezard]

I'm no doctor.
But, as a human, I'd opt for the PET now, while the markers are high and, of course, the blood tests also in six weeks.

I know how much damage worrying can do.
It is better to know something, good or bad, than to imagine the worst.
The scans are clean and yes, it is possible that the "tumor markers" are misleading.

My "marker" is a specific antigen that is only produced by prostate cells.
After 6 weeks of RSO, my doubling rate increased!
Still symptom free though and will have a scan in September as a base to judge the next course of oil against.


She has what is most important.
Your obvious love.
So, I won't wish her luck, I'll wish her health.

I wish you both aloha,

Weezard

[vacko]

Thanks a lot for reply.
I have just double checked her blood tests and CEA levels are raised from 1 to 1.4 but they are still in range, 5 is the limit, not 0.5. That's my bad.
I agree that tumor marker test can be misleading but the markers showed increase. Her CRP levels were little higher also, showing some inflammation. Maybe this is the reason the CEA 15 3 markers are higher than normal.
We will decide in next days what to do next.



I'm no doctor.
But, as a human, I'd opt for the PET now, while the markers are high and, of course, the blood tests also in six weeks.

I know how much damage worrying can do.
It is better to know something, good or bad, than to imagine the worst.
The scans are clean and yes, it is possible that the "tumor markers" are misleading.

My "marker" is a specific antigen that is only produced by prostate cells.
After 6 weeks of RSO, my doubling rate increased!
Still symptom free though and will have a scan in September as a base to judge the next course of oil against.


She has what is most important.
Your obvious love.
So, I won't wish her luck, I'll wish her health.

I wish you both aloha,

Weezard

[vacko]

Some new updates from my wife,

We have done blood test in September, most of the test were in normal range. One liver test GGT was little above the limit, 40 vas the value and 35 is the limit. No inflammation, CRP is in range.
Now the tumor markers: CEA 1.5 on last test was 1.4 still bellow limit 5.
CA-15 3 dropped from 53 to 39 still above the limit 30.
Now we have new thing going on, her lymph nodes on her neck are little bit enlarged and one on her groin also.
She has started with new type of oil which quality is very good. Basically her lymph nodes are enlarged since she started taking this oil. This could be just coincidence.
CT is scheduled for next week.
My question is if anybody had the same symptoms with enlarged lymph nodes while taking the oil?

Cheers

Vacko

[painretreat]

Hi vacko.:thumbsup:.sounds like your love is doing some major league healing here.

Lymph nodes, think of like a washing machine..in a way. They are busy at work, right now.

I've been on rso for about 45 days and my glands were swollen, prior to taking it.

Since taking RSO, I've had some amazing unanticipated results. My glands, seem smaller and firmer, yet remain enlarged in the neck. Interesting you are watching something, I have been. I do not have cancer, that I know of. However, we all have cancer cells in our blood.

What I have noticed is: Muscles that were hard and numb, for well over a decade, are sensitive and useable..just in the past few days. I never thought, I would ever regain the use of those muscles, much less, still have any function in them. In my thighs, I am re-learning, how to walk. Re-visiting things that were numb and useless, is painful.

I am just reading your earlier post. The hot flashes are a normal side effect of stopping hormones. Most likely, your wife is taking a medication to prevent hormone production, since she is 'positive' for that. I am certain she was advised not to take any hormones? Or stop, if she was taking any? Sometimes, our M.D.s for get to tell us, to stop those hormones.

There are studies that show that cannabis cleanses' the liver. Hope this helps.

Are you growing yet?

A PET scan would be preferable. Keep up the oil. I believe in RSO and its effects. Keep us informed, please? :rasta: pr

[Weezard]

I have no lymph swelling, nor does my patient.
If the neutrophils are not elevated and there's no fever, it's a red flag.
You'd best look into that.
I'd want a biopsy if my lymph nodes were enlarged in your situation.
Again, I'm not a doctor, so run this by the oncologist.

Here's a mainstream article that is long overdue.
Seems the cat is out of the bag.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/marijuana-and-cancer_n_1898208.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk1&pLid=207936&utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=1754664,b=facebook

Aloha,
Weeze

[GrowGoddess]

My cancer patient who had Hodgkin's Lymphoma, is still cancer free. I am not sure if he has any enlarged lymph nodes since the RSO therapy, I would guess no being that his cancer was residing in them. RSO is not the only help, hemp can be just as good. When you combine them all together, you can truly make a dramatic difference in your life. I do not trust doctors. Our governments have taken away hemp-marijuana, not for one reason, for all reasons. Hemp and cannabis together makes it to where we do not need government or businesses. We can survive just fine with hemp and cannabis, that is why they made it illegal, it forces us to become dependent upon the government and their pet projects big businesses. For example: Nutiva organic hemp oil cold pressed unrefined, that is one of the healthiest substances that I can find. It has all of the beneficial omega fatty acids that a body needs, nothing else compares. I recommend everyone to take one tablespoon per day of the hemp oil. Also, organic hemp protein (powder) there is 15 grams of protein in three tablespoons and it is very high in fiber too. I just cannot find anything through internet search that even compares to the health benefits. I think the Nutiva hemp oil, which is pressed hemp seed oil, I think that is a necessity for everyone. If you do not have omega 3, omega 6, or omega 9 fatty acids in your body it can cause depression, hair loss, dry skin, and many other malfunctions within the body. No other natural substance even comes close to the health benefits of the hemp seed oil. Also, hemp fibers can be used to replace plastic, metal, cotton, and so much more. There is an old film of Henry ford, who had made panels for an automobile with a hemp resin, he was hitting the panels with a bat or a sledgehammer and he could not even put a dent in it. It was shortly thereafter that hemp was completely banned in the US and Canada. I am pretty confident that hemp and Rick Simpson Oil is a cure all for almost everything ranging from textiles, industry, health, etc. Denim made from hemp fibers will last 20 times longer than cotton denim. Hemp and RSO is our government and big businesses worse enemy. Do the research, see for yourself. We have been played and sold out.
Get the book "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" a lot of great information regarding hemp and its many uses.

[emilya]

Keep up the good fight GG. We are having great success against MS, MRSA and eczema here with the oil. As more and more people learn the truth, the word will get out.

[silent leprechaun]

Great thread everyone ! A really good read.

I'm glad to hear that the oil is really working.

I wish you and yours the very best in the healing process :)

[Plantguardian]

Great thread everyone ! A really good read.

I'm glad to hear that the oil is really working.

I wish you and yours the very best in the healing process :)

I gotta echo the the silent ones post and best wishes for health and happiness.

I've tried butane extraction twice. The first time the oil was more golden, I believe because I flushed the plant the last 2 weeks before harvest. I flushed the plant used for the 2nd. batch as well, but only for about a week (impatience) and that batch came out kinda brownish greenish, more plant residue I believe. Anyway, the more golden the more mellow and less harsh I've discovered, but potency seemed about the same for both batches. Personally, I think it's way easier to make canna butter... and if you're gonna ingest it anyway (I realize the butter is fattening) why not ingest it in the tastiest way possible, by making brownies or something with it.
Just my :twocents: :thumbsup:

[painretreat]

I gotta echo the the silent ones post and best wishes for health and happiness.

I've tried butane extraction twice. The first time the oil was more golden, I believe because I flushed the plant the last 2 weeks before harvest. I flushed the plant used for the 2nd. batch as well, but only for about a week (impatience) and that batch came out kinda brownish greenish, more plant residue I believe. Anyway, the more golden the more mellow and less harsh I've discovered, but potency seemed about the same for both batches. Personally, I think it's way easier to make canna butter... and if you're gonna ingest it anyway (I realize the butter is fattening) why not ingest it in the tastiest way possible, by making brownies or something with it.
Just my :twocents: :thumbsup:


My only problem with brownies, right now is: I am strictly gluten, sugar and caffeine free. So the oil in a capsule, is most effective for me. I make my brownies very strong..so it only takes a bite or two. However, I use that as supplemental...with my regular dose of the oil.

That butane extraction, is not rso. However, it is all 'harvesting' the trichomes.

The main purpose of rso, is to heal. RUN FROM THE CURE - Full Version - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI) :jointsmile:

Oh, and I was warned to leave the butane alone, it is too dangerous. pr

[GrowGoddess]

Well, I guess this is a final update on the Hodgkin's Lymphoma patient.

He has proven to be fully cured. His cancer has not returned, he is 100% cancer free! He just recently got checked again and the tests came out clean!

Mentally, I notice a big difference. He is more together and clear headed, he seems more sharp. If I hadn't mentioned it before, he is also a minister. He has dedicated himself to helping cancer patients now, along with preaching the Word of God.

There is a night and day difference on his appearance. When I first met him, he was like a fragile toothpick. Now, you would never had known how sick he was. He has gained at least 50 pounds if not more. Healthy as a horse!

Back in 2010 he was told that he may not see another Christmas. Well, since then, he has seen two! Not only that, he has been able to spend those two Christmas's at home with his family and not in a hospital bed getting another round of chemotherapy!

I just wanted to fill everyone in that RSO or concentrated cannabis oil has proven to be fully successful in curing this patient of cancer.

Thanks be to God for this miracle plant we call cannabis!!

Glory to God in the highest glory!

[GrowGoddess]

On September 24, 2012 I published an offer to treat a cancer patient for free with RSO (concentrated cannabis oil). This offer was only available in compliance with the Michigan Medical Marihuana Program law. I will not accept any compensation whatsoever as I stated in the offer, not even a cup of coffee.

I nominated a three person committee to help in selecting the candidate to treat. Much to my surprise, we didn't have much luck with getting applicants. Deep down I knew that someone would qualify before my offer expired. I set an expiration date of Christmas Day 2012. I said, "It is in God's hands, the right person will come at the right time." and he did.

Just one week before the offer was to expire, I received an application. The candidate qualified to the conditions of the offer. The decision to treat this patient was made on Christmas eve. I met with the patient on this day, December 24, 2012, to fill out the required paperwork and get the treatment started. After taking care of the legal mumbo jumbo, the patient walked away with 30 grams of oil, half of the amount to be provided through my offer.

This patient has cancer in a lymph node in his neck in the throat area. The doctors were suggesting a very invasive surgery to remove the lump along with radical chemotherapy and radiation treatment, because of the type of cancer, and their inability to locate the source of the cancer. He has been diagnosed with Metastatic squamous cell carcinoma to lymph node. Squamous cell carcinoma is typically a skin cancer, it is rare, but not uncommon for it to develop in a lymph node. The patient has chosen my alternative treatment plan instead of taking the doctor's suggestion of surgery and the other stuff.

The oil for this patient was made on December 22, 2012 utilizing a new method of extraction. I am now doing a quick frozen extraction using 99% isopropyl alcohol. Pictured below, is the 30 grams that the patient received on Christmas Eve 2012.
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I would like to share with you some of the information that the patient has provided regarding the beginning of his treatment, the beginning of his journey to becoming cancer free. I couldn't be more proud of the bravery of this patient to go against the advice of the doctors and take a chance with a natural alternative to modern medicine.

12/27/12

I finally have some time to write. What a wild ride since Christmas Eve! Trying to keep up with everything is a challenge. I have just taken my 10th dose and finished my first gram of oil. My dosage is now about 1/8 gram.

The first couple of days were spent waiting for some incredible buzz to hit any minute. It caused me to feel calm and mildly sedated, starting at a rice grain size and adding just a little at a time.

I had an appointment with the surgeon that removed part of a tonsil to biopsy one week prior yesterday, the 26th. Of course, I started to get a really nice buzz that morning. They expected the biopsy to be positive and the â??sourceâ?� of the metastasized cancer cells found in my lymph node. If the results were positive, chemo and radiation was waiting for me, down the hall. I would need a way out. GiGi and a few others helped me to establish a game plan for any outcome. I have to buy time now. I am in treatment now, but not the one that they want and they can't know it.

The surgeon came into the room and said that â??This may sound like good news, but the tonsil biopsy was negative and we aren't sure where the cancer cells are coming fromâ?�. â??I'd like to..â?� I said â??Excuse meâ?�. He said â??What?â?� I asked him if he had reviewed my family history. He said â??Noâ?�. I told him that my mother had passed away from melanoma 14 years ago and that had metastasized from a spot on her skin. I asked if an irregular shaped mole, without a smooth surface and scaling, near the neck mass, could be the source, even though it wasn't textbook. I haven't heard from the dermatologist yet.

The doctor then went back to where I interrupted. He said that he wanted to remove the lymph node. I told him that I recalled the radical procedure that he had described to do that. He said that h e wold like to do a â??less invasiveâ?� procedure â??that shouldn'tâ?� involve more than a small incision. He wanted to get as much of the node as he could for another biopsy. Since it is his job to know the size of the mass, I told him that I thought it was getting smaller and would he see what he thought. He agreed and said that it was â??strangeâ?�. I asked him if it would be easier to take out if it kept getting smaller. He said â??Yes.â?� and we agreed to meet in a couple of weeks, after the mole is addressed.

GiGi suggested to start treating the mole topically and hold off any biopsy on it until there are no more excuses. She's the boss!

The buzz is pleasant. I'll keep adding to my dose, but I'm getting to where taking the trash out is a project, instead of a chore. Actually doing it is easy. The preparation takes a while. Where is all the trash? What size bags will I need? Where do I keep those? How many? And, if the phone rings, you have to start all over, if you remember to. Multitasking is a thing of the past. Tasking is taxing. If I have to do business, or something is really important, I seem to be able to lose the buzz completely and have extremely clear, focused thinking and interaction. I would not feel safe to drive, but I could do it.

I have a long history of experimenting with most drugs. I have a tolerance to most. I always leaned toward the sedative side than the stimulant side. My experience with hallucinogens doesn't make me fear a little too much oil and I could never smoke too much good herb, or hash. I've done my share of drinking. I thought that I would tolerate the oil well and I expect to be on a full dose by next week, or the week after. I have not had an interest in smoking anything, or drinking alcohol, since I began taking RSO.

No matter what happens, this is what was meant to be. The doctors are lost now and I am getting treatment. I am getting better. If the mole is the source, maybe they will find a bunch of dead cancer cells in the biopsy. I wonder what they would say . . . if anything.

I have already started to gain a few pounds. My night sweats were gone the first night (I had been soaking one side of the bed and moving over, almost every night). I am sleeping much better, but not great. Still have some strange itching, but that is reduced significantly. I had been getting cold, with sweats. That has not happened since my first dose.

Thanks to everyone and I hope that I get more time to spend here. I just got the news on the 3rd of December and I have had a lot to do since then. A few more documents and some short trips should get the rest finished up. It's getting harder to absorb, the foggier things get!


To be continued....

[emilya]

This is incredible news GG! Wonderful work! Between this case and Weez's friend fighting brain cancer, I think we might have our watershed moment here. I want to get this word out far and wide. Would you mind if we cross post this on RH? --Emmie

[GrowGoddess]

This is incredible news GG! Wonderful work! Between this case and Weez's friend fighting brain cancer, I think we might have our watershed moment here. I want to get this word out far and wide. Would you mind if we cross post this on RH? --Emmie

Please do, share it all over!!! That is why I posted it here and other forums where my computer will go to.

Luckily I have been able to use this site. There are some that my computer just does not like to go to after they updated their software. I think I need a new computer..... Just another item on my Things to do list, which seems to be growing

[emilya]

Please do, share it all over!!! That is why I posted it here and other forums where my computer will go to.

Luckily I have been able to use this site. There are some that my computer just does not like to go to after they updated their software. I think I need a new computer..... Just another item on my Things to do list, which seems to be growing

I will send you an email. Would love to have you post this over there. If you can not, I will copy and paste. High Five! I bet you are feeling very good these days seeing these amazing results! I have also proven here that RSO stops MS in its tracks, and can easily clear up stubborn MRSA infections. I think we actually have a strange problem starting to develop here... RSO is so completely effective on such a wide range of ailments and maladies that it is going to be hard for the general public to believe it... to accept that one single plant and its extract, have such a profound effect, and one better than everything medical science can come up with. The world needs to undergo a big mind shift here... no easy matter.

[GrowGoddess]

The dose size the patient is taking at this point is outstanding! He is taking a higher dose then any patient that has used my oil at this point in the therapy. Whether it be due to tolerance or the patient's motivation, either way it is good news.

He has a concern that the source of the cancer in the lymph node may be from a mole on his face. So, I suggested that he put a dab of oil on that mole once a day and cover it with a band aid and see what happens. To do this for at least two weeks and see if it makes a difference. The doctors have not been able to track down the source of the cancer yet. They have tried and failed.

Here is a little update from the patient.

12/29/12

I feel confident enough to report a solid, significant piece of proof that my health has improved since beginning RSO treatment Just five days ago. I bought a new digital scale on the 23rd. It measures to the 10th of a pound. I tried it a few times when I got home, just to see that it would be consistent. It was. The morning of the 23rd I weighed 164.0 (naked for accuracy). I usually vary from 175 to 200, but had been losing weight quickly. I had not weighed less than 170 since before High School and I'm 54 (my birth date on this page is not accurate). Because my weight had been coming off so fast, I was eating cheesecake for breakfast, drinking 1,350 calorie protein shakes, eating huge steaks and potatoes smothered with butter, a big lunch, ice cream for dessert and the pounds kept falling.

I didn't give my weight readings much thought for the first couple of days, even though they were never below my benchmark. On the morning of the 27th I recorded a weight of 167.4. Yesterday and today my weight was exactly the same - 173.8. I did not think that I could put weight on so quickly. Simply amazing!

My sleep is still improving. No new symptoms. Old symptoms all gone, or reduced. Incredible for less than a week of treatment with any medication(s). I have faith in this, but realize that life offers no guarantees. I'm sure that my mental attitude has improved since I began my RSO treatments, but the physical changes are not all due to a better mood! There is more good news, but I want to wait until I have more solid evidence of progress.

I have a gram scale, so I decided to dose using that. I just increased from .25 grams to .30. Also shoveled a big driveway with an inch, or two, of snow. Felt good to get the fresh air and exercise. Didn't bring on any more buzz, or anxiety. Was actually calming.

Thanks to everyone joining me on this journey. I'll update the doctor fumbling soon. They are tripping over their own schedules and cancer is important enough to get after that they scheduled a dermatologist to look at my mole in a month from now! The radiation guy says that I won't see next Christmas without chemo and radiation, but what's a month?

[Weezard]

These are wonderful times indeed.
They'll not get this cat back into the bag! :)

Just went for my PSA assay.
Should have some numbers in a week.

Not too worried because I stopped losing weight as soon as I started the oil.
Gained back my attitude, appetite, and 30 pounds in a month.
Have been homeostatic for the last 4 months. :D

Still have no symptoms attributable to PC.
And Glioma guy is doing very well indeed.

Another scan sometime in January will tell if he needs to go on maintenance dosage.
We do 435mg. capsules at bedtime and function quite well during the day.
I didn't think that was a high dosage and would double it had I the raw materials.

As it is, it takes all my harvest and I have to buy oil to supplement now and then.
(The Hawaiian law was written for smokers only)
Going back to coco coir and 10g. smartpots to up my yield per plant.

I have a suggestion for you.
Your posting here is great!
But for maximum impact, I suggest that you post it to Rick Simpson's Facebook page!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rick-Simpson/298774923502987

So, we feel fine ovah here.:cool:
Howzit with you all. :)

Aloha nui,
Weeze

[GrowGoddess]

Good advice Weeze, thank you.

I am already connected with Rick! LOL the patient has been posting on fb and I have been posting on a couple of forums and blogs that I have going.

my Hodgkin's Lymphoma patient may even get a page or two in Rick's next book too if we are lucky. They are interested in our story, he (Rick) and JB posted some of our correspondence on the Rick Simpson FB page. It was shocking at first actually. I had no idea they would do that. I was communicating with Rick before I even started treating the Hodgkin's Lymphoma patient.

I am so happy for your progress, it sounds to me like you will be cured real soon. You are on the right track for sure.

Good luck and God bless you on your journey to good health!

[GrowGoddess]

To respect the patient's privacy, and the people who are close to him, names are not being used. I thought I would share this tid bit with you all. A person who is very close to the patient recently made the following statement regarding the patient's condition.

Thank you all for this!!! I cannot believe the difference in ****'s attitude alone...I have known him 13 years and the weight loss was shocking. To have put back 10 lbs. in less than a week...I just know this treatment is going to work!!

[GrowGoddess]

I would like to mention that with my new cancer patient, this is the first patient who started the treatment with my quick frozen extract method oil.

There is a very big difference between the two. My first patient started off with oil made from material that was soaked in the solvent for days rather than minutes. The results will be quite different between the two oils. The frozen extract method (doesn't have to be frozen) is much easier to take and I believe it is much easier to build up a tolerance. At least at this point it appears that way. I don't know which method is more effective in fighting cancer. I have chosen to stick with the quick wash method because the patients are able to consume .5 gram dose much faster than with the long soak extraction method. I feel that this is important because the patient needs to get up to that size dose as soon as possible to be more effective in attacking the cancer cells. I am only guessing that the quick method is higher in THC and lower in CBD.

My new patient, in only one week has been able to get up to .5 gram dose three times per day. The two patients that started off with the long soak method oil, it took each of them six weeks before they could increase the dose size. I have high hopes that these changes that I have made in producing the oil will speed up the process of eliminating the cancer.

Also, the quick method, with high grade bud, tastes like ganja. Whether you are eating it or vaporizing it. I just tried vaping a sample of the same oil that was given to the new patient and it was very enjoyable.

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[TheCarer]

I am a relatively new carer using RSO made with 99% isopropyl alcohol. I will make a more informative post later today. I look forward to sharing knowledge with you all.

[TheCarer]

Sorry! I have been very busy! Infact I have never been busier..

Let me start by adding a little more to my initial post. I am about to start treating a couple of patients (do not ask where please!) with RSO. I will also be running a full dose on myself in the coming months and posting personal updates. I also hope to receive at some point, updates from individual patients regarding their improvements. The patients right now have a variety of ailments and will update more info on this later. Current batch is made from a white strain grown specifically for the oil by experienced growers. I do not have THC/CBD test results on the RSO yet but am hoping to have these within the week. I am new to the "home-style" lab test and need to practice a few times before being confident with my readings.

Recently, for the first time, I tried to make a topical oily cream by infusing RSO with organic normal hemp oil. About 1.5ml to 35ml. This is a test run with hope for later batches of fairly urgently required severe ulcer treatment.

Highly appreciate any help with the following: A few of my patients are urgently requesting medication withdrawal information, including some medicines which I am told are cannabinoid receptor blockers (such as the pharmaceutical Celebrex). Without being a "doctor" I assume this means that if taking RSO with Celebrex, the RSO will be rendered useless, but am urgently seeking guidance on this or contacts with answers to my questions? Some, if not the currently the majority, of my patients are currently taking in excess of 10 prescriptions, one or two are even on 15+.

This should give some good background information. I will try to upload a few pictures of current RSO soon and if anything ask. I am no expert but know a fair amount and when I have time I will try to look back through previous posts and add my $0.02.

P&L
TC

[emilya]

Sorry! I have been very busy! Infact I have never been busier..

Let me start by adding a little more to my initial post. I am about to start treating a couple of patients (do not ask where please!) with RSO. I will also be running a full dose on myself in the coming months and posting personal updates. I also hope to receive at some point, updates from individual patients regarding their improvements. The patients right now have a variety of ailments and will update more info on this later. Current batch is made from a white strain grown specifically for the oil by experienced growers. I do not have THC/CBD test results on the RSO yet but am hoping to have these within the week. I am new to the "home-style" lab test and need to practice a few times before being confident with my readings.

Recently, for the first time, I tried to make a topical oily cream by infusing RSO with organic normal hemp oil. About 1.5ml to 35ml. This is a test run with hope for later batches of fairly urgently required severe ulcer treatment.

Highly appreciate any help with the following: A few of my patients are urgently requesting medication withdrawal information, including some medicines which I am told are cannabinoid receptor blockers (such as the pharmaceutical Celebrex). Without being a "doctor" I assume this means that if taking RSO with Celebrex, the RSO will be rendered useless, but am urgently seeking guidance on this or contacts with answers to my questions? Some, if not the currently the majority, of my patients are currently taking in excess of 10 prescriptions, one or two are even on 15+.

This should give some good background information. I will try to upload a few pictures of current RSO soon and if anything ask. I am no expert but know a fair amount and when I have time I will try to look back through previous posts and add my $0.02.

P&L
TC

I would venture a guess that most of us working with RSO are not medical doctors, so we would be the last people to ask about interaction and withdrawal information regarding traditional medications... may I suggest asking their medical doctors?

The two patients that I deal with were each able to discontinue their prescribed medications with no adverse effects. If someone came to me wanting to try RSO and was on something that was considered a cannabinoid blocker, I suspect my first reaction would be to tell them to stop taking it... but that might be harmful in your patient's cases. I doubt anyone here wants to take the risk of advising your patients to stop taking their meds, and you too have to watch your liabilities in this matter as you could get in a lot of trouble posting these sorts of things. I implore you to be cautious.

[TheCarer]

I would venture a guess that most of us working with RSO are not medical doctors, so we would be the last people to ask about interaction and withdrawal information regarding traditional medications... may I suggest asking their medical doctors?

The two patients that I deal with were each able to discontinue their prescribed medications with no adverse effects. If someone came to me wanting to try RSO and was on something that was considered a cannabinoid blocker, I suspect my first reaction would be to tell them to stop taking it... but that might be harmful in your patient's cases. I doubt anyone here wants to take the risk of advising your patients to stop taking their meds, and you too have to watch your liabilities in this matter as you could get in a lot of trouble posting these sorts of things. I implore you to be cautious.


Thanks for your advice although my intention is simply to share the information I have with hope that this will aid others. Any use of my opinions is up to the reader.

Unfortunately in these cases asking the doctor is not a possibility but of course ideal. Questions have been asked to the right people who will know these specific answers and a response is pending. Update soon.

TC

[GrowGoddess]

I do not have the details, like how much of each ingredient, but there is an oil that is made that tremendously helps as a topical oil. You infuse your own RSO into it. I have heard of many patients that have stated that it works wonders for arthritis, muscle pain, burns, minor lesions, etc. , even without being infused without RSO. The ingredients at one time were a secret. I found out what they are and would like to share them with you all.

Olive oil
Osha Root
Hemp seed oil
tincture of myrrh
oil of peppermint
oil of clary sage
oil of oregano

Also, I recently learned that a small dab of RSO in the nostril can help with sinus issues. I have a patient that has complained about his sinuses since I have known him and no OTC or home remedies ever helped. He tried a dab of RSO inside each nostril and within a few minutes, the nasal passages cleared and he was able to breath freely. I was dumbfounded. I know it doesn't seem like such a big deal, but to this patient it was.

My new cancer patient is still doing well. As soon as I get some more updates from him I will add the information to this thread.

[TheCarer]

I do not have the details, like how much of each ingredient, but there is an oil that is made that tremendously helps as a topical oil. You infuse your own RSO into it. I have heard of many patients that have stated that it works wonders for arthritis, muscle pain, burns, minor lesions, etc. , even without being infused without RSO. The ingredients at one time were a secret. I found out what they are and would like to share them with you all.

Olive oil
Osha Root
Hemp seed oil
tincture of myrrh
oil of peppermint
oil of clary sage
oil of oregano

Also, I recently learned that a small dab of RSO in the nostril can help with sinus issues. I have a patient that has complained about his sinuses since I have known him and no OTC or home remedies ever helped. He tried a dab of RSO inside each nostril and within a few minutes, the nasal passages cleared and he was able to breath freely. I was dumbfounded. I know it doesn't seem like such a big deal, but to this patient it was.
My new cancer patient is still doing well. As soon as I get some more updates from him I will add the information to this thread.


Glad to hear your patient is going well. Please keep me updated. Nice job with the sinuses too.

Thank you for sharing your recipe. I have been making the creams the way I know how, which are vaseline and organic hemp oil based and I then infuse the RSO. This has proved to be a great success and wont be changing it I doubt. It does sound worth experimenting with though IMO.

I will continue to add updates on information/patients when necessary and times allows. I will soon write up my personal experience with the RSO. I will be starting a 30-60g dose within a month and report my progress. I think this and similar threads should be stickied. This is highly valuable information to EVERYONE.

TC

[donpasscal]

On September 24, 2012 I published an offer to treat a cancer patient for free with RSO (concentrated cannabis oil). This offer was only available in compliance with the Michigan Medical Marihuana Program law. I will not accept any compensation whatsoever as I stated in the offer, not even a cup of coffee.

I nominated a three person committee to help in selecting the candidate to treat. Much to my surprise, we didn't have much luck with getting applicants. Deep down I knew that someone would qualify before my offer expired. I set an expiration date of Christmas Day 2012. I said, "It is in God's hands, the right person will come at the right time." and he did.

Just one week before the offer was to expire, I received an application. The candidate qualified to the conditions of the offer. The decision to treat this patient was made on Christmas eve. I met with the patient on this day, December 24, 2012, to fill out the required paperwork and get the treatment started. After taking care of the legal mumbo jumbo, the patient walked away with 30 grams of oil, half of the amount to be provided through my offer.

This patient has cancer in a lymph node in his neck in the throat area. The doctors were suggesting a very invasive surgery to remove the lump along with radical chemotherapy and radiation treatment, because of the type of cancer, and their inability to locate the source of the cancer. He has been diagnosed with Metastatic squamous cell carcinoma to lymph node. Squamous cell carcinoma is typically a skin cancer, it is rare, but not uncommon for it to develop in a lymph node. The patient has chosen my alternative treatment plan instead of taking the doctor's suggestion of surgery and the other stuff.

The oil for this patient was made on December 22, 2012 utilizing a new method of extraction. I am now doing a quick frozen extraction using 99% isopropyl alcohol. Pictured below, is the 30 grams that the patient received on Christmas Eve 2012.
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I would like to share with you some of the information that the patient has provided regarding the beginning of his treatment, the beginning of his journey to becoming cancer free. I couldn't be more proud of the bravery of this patient to go against the advice of the doctors and take a chance with a natural alternative to modern medicine.

12/27/12

I finally have some time to write. What a wild ride since Christmas Eve! Trying to keep up with everything is a challenge. I have just taken my 10th dose and finished my first gram of oil. My dosage is now about 1/8 gram.

The first couple of days were spent waiting for some incredible buzz to hit any minute. It caused me to feel calm and mildly sedated, starting at a rice grain size and adding just a little at a time.

I had an appointment with the surgeon that removed part of a tonsil to biopsy one week prior yesterday, the 26th. Of course, I started to get a really nice buzz that morning. They expected the biopsy to be positive and the â??sourceâ?� of the metastasized cancer cells found in my lymph node. If the results were positive, chemo and radiation was waiting for me, down the hall. I would need a way out. GiGi and a few others helped me to establish a game plan for any outcome. I have to buy time now. I am in treatment now, but not the one that they want and they can't know it.

The surgeon came into the room and said that â??This may sound like good news, but the tonsil biopsy was negative and we aren't sure where the cancer cells are coming fromâ?�. â??I'd like to..â?� I said â??Excuse meâ?�. He said â??What?â?� I asked him if he had reviewed my family history. He said â??Noâ?�. I told him that my mother had passed away from melanoma 14 years ago and that had metastasized from a spot on her skin. I asked if an irregular shaped mole, without a smooth surface and scaling, near the neck mass, could be the source, even though it wasn't textbook. I haven't heard from the dermatologist yet.

The doctor then went back to where I interrupted. He said that he wanted to remove the lymph node. I told him that I recalled the radical procedure that he had described to do that. He said that h e wold like to do a â??less invasiveâ?� procedure â??that shouldn'tâ?� involve more than a small incision. He wanted to get as much of the node as he could for another biopsy. Since it is his job to know the size of the mass, I told him that I thought it was getting smaller and would he see what he thought. He agreed and said that it was â??strangeâ?�. I asked him if it would be easier to take out if it kept getting smaller. He said â??Yes.â?� and we agreed to meet in a couple of weeks, after the mole is addressed.

GiGi suggested to start treating the mole topically and hold off any biopsy on it until there are no more excuses. She's the boss!

The buzz is pleasant. I'll keep adding to my dose, but I'm getting to where taking the trash out is a project, instead of a chore. Actually doing it is easy. The preparation takes a while. Where is all the trash? What size bags will I need? Where do I keep those? How many? And, if the phone rings, you have to start all over, if you remember to. Multitasking is a thing of the past. Tasking is taxing. If I have to do business, or something is really important, I seem to be able to lose the buzz completely and have extremely clear, focused thinking and interaction. I would not feel safe to drive, but I could do it.

I have a long history of experimenting with most drugs. I have a tolerance to most. I always leaned toward the sedative side than the stimulant side. My experience with hallucinogens doesn't make me fear a little too much oil and I could never smoke too much good herb, or hash. I've done my share of drinking. I thought that I would tolerate the oil well and I expect to be on a full dose by next week, or the week after. I have not had an interest in smoking anything, or drinking alcohol, since I began taking RSO.

No matter what happens, this is what was meant to be. The doctors are lost now and I am getting treatment. I am getting better. If the mole is the source, maybe they will find a bunch of dead cancer cells in the biopsy. I wonder what they would say . . . if anything.

I have already started to gain a few pounds. My night sweats were gone the first night (I had been soaking one side of the bed and moving over, almost every night). I am sleeping much better, but not great. Still have some strange itching, but that is reduced significantly. I had been getting cold, with sweats. That has not happened since my first dose.

Thanks to everyone and I hope that I get more time to spend here. I just got the news on the 3rd of December and I have had a lot to do since then. A few more documents and some short trips should get the rest finished up. It's getting harder to absorb, the foggier things get!


To be continued....

Hello,

I just wanted to ask a question because I am desperate. My wife was told last week by her oncologist that she has stage 4 cancer that started from the pancreas and has now spread to the liver. We have done a lot of research and came to the final conclusion that alternative treatment is the route to go. We live in Georgia, and will like to travel to some state may be yours that permits non residents to get treatment with Hemp Oil.

Could you please enlighten me on the route to proceed. We are desperate to start treatment as soon as possible. Hoping to hear from any member with valuable info soon.
dp

[TheCarer]

Hello,

I just wanted to ask a question because I am desperate. My wife was told last week by her oncologist that she has stage 4 cancer that started from the pancreas and has now spread to the liver. We have done a lot of research and came to the final conclusion that alternative treatment is the route to go. We live in Georgia, and will like to travel to some state may be yours that permits non residents to get treatment with Hemp Oil.

Could you please enlighten me on the route to proceed. We are desperate to start treatment as soon as possible. Hoping to hear from any member with valuable info soon.
dp

I am sorry to hear about your wife and am sure inter-state travelling to medicate with RSO should be ok but GrowGoddess will know better/more than me. I wish you the best of luck and if indeed your wife does try the RSO, please report back and let us know how she is getting on.

I would like to know whether NON-US people/patients may travel to California, Colorado, Michigan etc and successfully obtain treatment? It would sure be a wasted journey unless treatment were virtually guaranteed? I have read stories of EU citizens travelling to California and receiving RSO treatment so it must be possible in some shape or form. Any USA insight would be greatly appreciated? What would one need to do to make this work? This would definitely be an option for a few of my patients if they could be treated legally in the USA.

[GrowGoddess]

Hello,

I just wanted to ask a question because I am desperate. My wife was told last week by her oncologist that she has stage 4 cancer that started from the pancreas and has now spread to the liver. We have done a lot of research and came to the final conclusion that alternative treatment is the route to go. We live in Georgia, and will like to travel to some state may be yours that permits non residents to get treatment with Hemp Oil.

Could you please enlighten me on the route to proceed. We are desperate to start treatment as soon as possible. Hoping to hear from any member with valuable info soon.
dp

I will do my best to help you.

I always stay within the law. Michigan can only help you if you live in that state and are registered in the Michigan Medical Marijuana Program.

The only other option that I can think of is Colorado. I do not know for sure, just what I have been told. As long as you are over 21 you can walk into a dispensary in Colorado and purchase what you need. I heard this when a person like you asked where to get oil and they did not live in Colorado. The operator of PhoenixTears of Colorado said that people can purchase marijuana products legally in Colorado. One item she specifically mentioned was Rick Simpson Oil (RSO).

One of the problems is finding quality oil. I have heard that the prices range from $50 to $100 per gram.

You would probably be best off contacting Janet Sweeny of PhoenixTears, she can be found on FaceBook.

Here is a little good news. I have heard of many people getting cured of pancreatic cancer, even in stage 4. The cancer spreading to the liver could be a good thing in regards to taking RSO (concentrated cannabis oil). RSO is processed through the body differently than smoking it. When the RSO is taken orally, it is processed through the liver, so the RSO would be getting right to the cancer in the liver. I have also heard of the RSO curing people with liver cancer.

Contact Janet Sweeny for more information about Colorado and your options there.

Good luck and God bless

GiGi

[TheCarer]

Great information GrowGoddess!

Little update on making the creams. Normally I heat the organic hemp oil or vaseline prior to adding the RSO as it tends to infuse better. I ran a test the last few days with around 30ml organic hemp oil and put in 1.5ml of RSO. I did NOT add any heat this time. I cannot be exactly certain but it took 2-4 days for the RSO to be totally infused into the oil. A highly medicinal topical oitment created that easily! One patient will soon be using a RSO cream to help relieve and aesthetically heal a large surgery scar plus am hoping to start treating the patient with severe ulcers with a cream asap.

My next target is to try to blend RSO with an E45 or similar simple dermatological cream. Anyone have experience?

[TheCarer]

My next target is to try to blend RSO with an E45 or similar simple dermatological cream. Anyone have experience?

A reliable source informs me that infusing RSO into E45 or similar is not practical.

Use white or yellow vaseline or organic hemp seed oil!

Ill try get some pictures of current RSO I have up later today although finding a camera maybe a little difficult.

[cburka]

Dear growgoddess, can you please help me! Yesterday my husband was diagnosed with a stage 4 prostate cancer and was given 5-6 months to live without the traditional method treatment. I saw how you make your experimented oil and was truly impressed with it. Can you help me find someone who can provide me with the best quality oil. We can travel or do whatever it takes as long as the oil is genuine. Please respond ASAP. Yesterday I also send you an email on your hotmail address. Thank you so much.

[GrowGoddess]

Dear growgoddess, can you please help me! Yesterday my husband was diagnosed with a stage 4 prostate cancer and was given 5-6 months to live without the traditional method treatment. I saw how you make your experimented oil and was truly impressed with it. Can you help me find someone who can provide me with the best quality oil. We can travel or do whatever it takes as long as the oil is genuine. Please respond ASAP. Yesterday I also send you an email on your hotmail address. Thank you so much.

Without knowing where you are it would be very difficult to offer any advice. I only know of people in Michigan. Unless you live in Michigan and are a registered patient under the Michigan Medical Marijuana Program (or in the process of becoming one) I wouldn't know who or where to point you to except for Colorado.

It is not difficult to make the oil, anyone can do it. It is much safer to buy the buds and make the oil yourself. Then you know you are not being scammed.

Watch the YouTube video Run From the Cure, along with patient testimonies, there are instructions on how to make the oil safely.

[GrowGoddess]

cburka

A person that may be able to help you more, he is more involved with the concentrated cannabis oil community more than I. My first cancer patient whom I mentioned at the beginning of this topic. I just asked if he would mind answering questions from people new to the oil, or just needing some support. He is very willing to help any way he can. His name is Joe Crowe and he lives in Michigan. You can find him on facebook. Joe is also a minister and if anyone is looking for spiritual support he is there for you too.

[GrowGoddess]

After watching Run From the Cure, and making many batches of the oil, I have applied the following method to making the oil. It seems to come out the best for me this way, a lot more enjoyable and comfortable effects.

I use my best buds period. I manicure them very well. If you desire to use sugar shake to include with the buds, that is okay too, but I don't recommend using a lot of it. If you do desire to use some sugar shake, put it in its own jar.

Here is how I make the oil.

First I get the buds to be as dry as possible, basically petrified.
I put two ounces of bud in a one quart, wide mouth canning jar; I do not recommend more than two ounces per jar. You may have to smoosh it in a little depending on the strain since some strains are puffier than others.
I put each two ounce jar of buds in the freezer for a good 24 hours.
I also put the 99% isopropyl alcohol (solvent) in the freezer to keep the temperatures consistent.

When I am ready to start the process, I pull one jar of buds and one 16 oz container of solvent out of the freezer at the same time so it will all stay as cold as possible. Each jar will require up to 2 16 oz bottles of solvent for the initial wash or extraction.
I pour the first 16 oz bottle of solvent into the jar with buds, seal the jar and shake it around for a couple of seconds, then I will add about 8 more ounces of the solvent. Close the lid and shake it up for about 1 to 3 minutes depending on how quickly the buds crumble.
Then I want to get the solvent poured out of the jar as soon as possible. I use a metal strainer so it will pour through quickly, but catch any large particles. I pour the solvent into a glass or stainless steel bowl. I will repeat the process with this same jar of material with about 8 to 16 ounces of solvent, depending on the strain. I only shake that around for a few seconds, and then quickly pour off solvent using the metal strainer.
Before starting on a new jar of buds from the freezer I will filter the THC solvent through a fine metal coffee filter into a fresh bowl.
Then I repeat the initial process with the remaining jars of bud in the freezer, one at a time.
I prefer to use the glass canning jars because they stay cold for a long time.

When I have all of the THC solvent roughed in, I will then filter it a couple more times using a metal mesh coffee filter, and then a paper coffee filter. I am considering investing into some of those bubble bags. I have tried this without using the paper coffee filters and only using the fine mesh metal coffee filter and I have not noticed a difference as long as I filter it multiple times. I like to let the THC solvent sit in the bowl for a whole so all the crud can sink to the bottom. Then I will carefully pour the solvent through the metal mesh coffee filter careful not to allow the sediment to pour out. I have quite a bit of practice at this, but you may prefer to just use the paper coffee filter.

I don't really have a basic filtering preference yet, still working on that. The oil is coming out pretty much the same for me whether I use the paper coffee filters or not.

After all of the solvent has been filtered, I move to the rice cooker and follow Rick's directions from there.

Another tip, when it gets to the coffee cup warmer stage, I like to use a heavy duty metal one cup measuring cup and use a metal spoon to stir the oil around often to keep the heat even throughout. I have learned with this method, if you don't stir it around often the bottom portion becomes thicker than what is on top. Towards the end, to get the final little bit of solvent evaporated out, I like to put some pennies or another type of coin between the cup and the warmer to help eliminate burning of the oil, I will let it sit at that point without stirring. Patience pays off on this.

At this point it is pretty much done.

I will also add that you can get a little more out of the remaining material that is still in the jars from the extraction, you can add a bit more solvent to it, shake it around, and turn the jars upside down with the lid tightened and allow it all to drain down. I use this solvent separately from the initial extraction. Then when the rice cooker is available again (I prefer to only use one rice cooker, period) I will crack the jars open while upside down and filter in the same manner as the initial extraction. I use this oil for topical uses and will also give some to my patients who have pain issues. The oil still comes out really good, but I believe only the best of the best should be used to treat cancer patients or other serious illnesses.

I have one other method, I cannot say which way is better for treating cancer, hopefully my new patient helps me learn. My older method was that I would let the bud material soak in the solvent anywhere from two hours to two weeks. The longer I let it soak, the more intense the effects were, but the crappier the oil would taste. The extra intense effects, in my opinion, are not desirable such as panic attacks, unable to walk (had to crawl to the couch once!), very high anxiety, just all out intense. I do not prefer it. This is what I originally started with during my first cancer patient's treatment. During his treatment, each batch I had reduced the soak time. The more I reduced the soak time, the more comfortable the effects became. It also made it much easier to consume larger doses more quickly. I am only guessing that the quick soak method is better for curing cancer for many reasons.

[GrowGoddess]

Little update on my new cancer patient:

It looks like the oil is working. He has been taking it for about 4 weeks now. His sleep has greatly improved to where he can easily get 8 hours straight. He has gained 13 pounds since starting the oil (he had been steadily losing weight up until he started taking the oil). The only major thing that has not changed is the size of the node that was diagnosed as having cancer cells. He will be having that node removed in a few days via an outpatient surgical procedure. Then they will biopsy it again. Will post results as soon as I get it.

Typically the RSO takes an average of 90 days to ingest 60 grams of oil to eliminate most cancers if the patient did not receive chemo or radiation. If a patient has had chemo or radiation, then a patient should take 120 grams dosing at least 1 gram per day.

It looks like my patient's doctors have been getting confused since he started taking the oil. He has been able to stop taking a high blood pressure medication, his night sweats are gone, strange all over body itching gone, weight gain, full night sleep, other medications he has been able to reduce. This all probably does not make sense to the doctors since the patient has not gone under any chemo or radiation treatments, or any other of their cancer treatments. Just the RSO.

Here is a quick bit from the patient:

"Another doctor has joined the ranks of the confused. The chemo guy agrees that the only thing left to do is to take the node. I don't think that it will go away on its own now. It isn't a cancer mass, just some cells mixed in. They don't know if it's alive. If it is dead, it should go, anyway. I will still have the option to refuse chemo and radiation treatment if it comes back positive on this biopsy.
I won't do chemo or radiation. In fact, the chemo oncologist told me that it would be my decision after they get the biopsy results back.
This continues to get more strange. Last week the surgeon said that I might not have cancer and the oncologist said the same thing today. Last month they said that I would be dead within a year without chemo and radiation. I can only believe that things are going much differently than they assumed things would go. If that biopsy comes back negative, we need to have a party! They seem to be having a hard time figuring out how to tell me that I might live after the death sentence."


Lastly, the patient said today that he is very happy.

[GrowGoddess]

The patient opted to have the node removed. The biopsy came back positive as well as a second biopsy of the tonsil.

Other than the biopsy results coming back positive, the patient's health had been improving since he began taking the oil.

So far, he is planning on refusing any chemo or radiation treatments. The surgeon recommended the patient to seek out a second opinion from the U of M hospital. Hopefully they do not talk him into accepting their recommended treatments.

I believe the oil has been working, it just has not been enough quantity or time. The battle is going to continue and I will keep helping this patient through.

I will submit more as the treatment continues.

Please pray with me for this patient's recovery.

[GrowGoddess]

Okay, have some new information. Good news and bad news.

Let's start with the bad news. My patient is confused. The doctors have put much fear into him. Telling him if he does not take the chemo and radiation treatments he will surely die, very painfully and it will take a long time.

More bad news. This is just my opinion. The doctors have misdiagnosed the patient. They are full of shit and I will explain why. The type of cancer they claim this patient has is a type of skin cancer that metastasizes on the surface. I thought that is what he had and is why I believed it to be possible that in only 35 days of taking the oil that the biopsy would come back negative. It seems that based upon his initial symptoms, and the recent removal and biopsy of the node, that the cancer is inside the node and not on the surface. I did not know this, the doctor and patient did. If I would have known more details of where the cancer was in respect to the node, I would not have guessed at a negative result would have been possible, especially since the node was still enlarged. I believe it takes at least 4 months to shrink when the cancer is in the node.

Based upon some recent research that I have done, all of the patients initial symptoms and the cancer being inside the node, all of the symptoms point to a different type of cancer. None of the symptoms coincide with the type of cancer the doctors say he has. The doctors said if the biopsy would have come back negative, they would have changed the initial prognosis as inconclusive. So are they saying that if they are wrong they will just backtrack and lie? That is the way it is looking to me.

Now, the good news. I believe the oil is working great. If he continues to take the oil for another 3 or 4 months at a gram per day he will be cured of this cancer. A walk in the park. The only thing that is making this miserable is the fear mongering the doctors are throwing at the patient. Proof that the doctors have misdiagnosed the patient and proof that the cancer is being cured.

Looking back to the beginning of working with this patient, you will see that all of his initial symptoms are gone, this is because the oil is working.

See for yourself.

Hodgkin's lymphoma (Hodgkin's disease): Symptoms - MayoClinic.com (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hodgkins-disease/DS00186/DSECTION=symptoms)

I continue to ask the patient. "If all of your symptoms are gone, why would you still want to go through the chemo/radiation treatments?"

When I research the cancer that they say he has, the symptoms do not match. I have a question. If the doctor is so smart and capable how come he couldn't prescribe anything to help alleviate the symptoms? Well, in my opinion, is because it would require a cure. The patient even gained back the weight he lost.

I am working on connecting the patient with doctors that are educated with cannabis and believe in the healing properties of it. Thanks to Dr. Janet Sweeney of PhoenixTears, she is pointing me in the right direction.

More to come as this story progresses.

[GrowGoddess]

Here is the truth. Our medical system in the USA sucks. USA is not the greatest country anymore, not even close. If you want the truth, this video is well worth watching.

The most honest three and a half minutes of television, EVER...

The most honest three and a half minutes of television, EVER... - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16K6m3Ua2nw&feature=youtu.be)

[painretreat]

Modern Medicine plays and profits from 'treatment.' Cancer is big business. Sad to say, not all health care providers are in it for the 'greater good' of all. If his Docs are like most, they, "only get 20 minutes" to change one's life.
It would be a good idea to ask him to get an 'independent' consultation and have his records reviewed. Particularly, before he takes any conventional treatment, if that is an option. I sure would.

The older I get, the more I believe that Freedom in America is, simply organized oppression.
We get to play with chads and walk home from the voting both's with a tag that says, "I voted." Symbolic representation.

Perhaps you could have your patient do more reading of hemp oil stories and maybe have your cured patient talk with him? That is a tool, used for other patient conditions. Good Karma wishes.:rasta: pr

[GrowGoddess]

Modern Medicine plays and profits from 'treatment.' Cancer is big business. Sad to say, not all health care providers are in it for the 'greater good' of all. If his Docs are like most, they, "only get 20 minutes" to change one's life.
It would be a good idea to ask him to get an 'independent' consultation and have his records reviewed. Particularly, before he takes any conventional treatment, if that is an option. I sure would.

The older I get, the more I believe that Freedom in America is, simply organized oppression.
We get to play with chads and walk home from the voting both's with a tag that says, "I voted." Symbolic representation.

Perhaps you could have your patient do more reading of hemp oil stories and maybe have your cured patient talk with him? That is a tool, used for other patient conditions. Good Karma wishes.:rasta: pr

I agree.

I have connected the patient with others who are knowledgeable in the area of RSO and cures. He has had the opportunity to speak with Uncle Pete from Cannabis Camp and will soon have an opportunity to speak with Rick Simpson. The patient is actually doing great physically, it is the fear mongering of the doctors that have him mentally stressed. Dr. Janet Sweeney from PhoenixTears is also ready to speak with the patient as well, if they haven't already.

His whole cannabis oil treatment is going great. His health has improved since he started taking the oil. A factor that he seems to not be paying as much attention to as much as the doctor's treatment options and what could happen if he does not take their treatments.

If he takes the treatment and dies, the doctors won't own up to it, they won't really care, they will just say it was the cancer, that the treatment was too late. That is what they said with my previous potential patient. They killed him before we were able to meet. They just fluffed it off as the cancer, not taking into account that he was perfectly healthy until he started taking the chemo pills they prescribed and also initiated the fear factors into him.

You are right about the big pharmas only caring about the all mighty dollar, or should I say their stock value. Here is a little proof.

Inside Wall Street: Is Big Pharma eyeing Spectrum?- MSN Money (http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?post=7c85f0cb-ce4d-454d-9a1e-5d53b370467f)

I am confident my patient can kick his cancer no problem, if he would just stay away from the doctors for a few months.

as soon as I get more information i will update.

[GrowGoddess]

Truth about drug companies.

Amazon.com: The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It (9780375760945): Marcia Angell: Books (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0375760946/tag=femeliyomeit-20?tag=hydfbook0e-20&ascsubtag=US-SAGE-1356360221524-MRBTS)

[painretreat]

I see this step as, A Big One, in honestly with medications..in the future.:rasta: pr


Medscape Medical News (http://www.medscape.com/news)
Final Sunshine Regs: Physicians Win Some, Lose Some

Robert Lowes (http://www.medscape.com/author/robert-lowes)
Feb 06, 2013


Medscape: Medscape Access (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/778858)
The medical profession caught a few breaks in the long-awaited final version of federal "sunshine" regulations that require drug and medical device makers to disclose what they give physicians in the way of money, food, and coffee mugs.

In general, however, the fine print promises to make the lives of many physicians a little more complicated.
The Affordable Care Act (ACA) calls for disclosing "transfers of value" by drug and device makers to spotlight possible conflicts of interest that may compromise education, research, and clinical decision making, all to the detriment of patient care, as officials with the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) put it. Final regulations (https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2013-02572.pdf) released February 1 spell out exactly what these companies must do.
One break for physicians is that payments to speakers at accredited continuing medical education (CME) events need not be reported, even though a drug or device company funded the CME activity. The payment is off the radar as long as the manufacturer does not select the speaker or pay him or her directly (that role belongs to the CME provider).
In December 2011, CMS originally proposed (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/755556) making such payments reportable. Organized medicine objected, saying that the world of CME is already well policed to root out conflicts of interest and that the regulations would scare off physicians and industry from accredited CME activities.
Electronic Pizza Records?
CMS also loosened the rules on how food — lavished on physicians and their medical practices by industry — must be accounted for. For example, a drug company's buffet line at a bustling medical conference will not count as a transfer of value, and the cost of a drug representative pizza lunch at a group practice will be assigned strictly to those who wolf down the slices — physicians and medical assistants alike. (Under the proposed version, a $100 pizza lunch for a 5-physician practice was automatically divvied up as $20 for each physician, whether or not any of them partook.)
But there is no getting away from complications: CMS advises physicians that if they do not want to receive drug representative meals and have them reported under the sunshine regulations, they "simply should make clear to applicable manufacturers that they do not accept them." In other words, give notice. It is up to the manufacturers, after all, to track who eats what.
However, CMS also says that physicians may need to maintain their own records of what they receive or do not receive in case drug and device makers get it wrong. The agency estimates that it will take a medical practice employee about 5 hours a year to do the sunshine bookkeeping for a single physician, who will need about 1 hour on average to review it.
"We Do Not Have the Resources"
The ACA requires drug and device makers to report any transfer of value to a physician that is worth $10 or more. It can be a speaker's fee or honoraria, a research grant, or an in-kind item or service such as food, travel, lodging, and entertainment. Transfers less than $10 — think a Starbucks latte — are not reportable unless they add up to more than $100 over the course of 1 year. Excluded altogether are product samples, educational materials meant for patients, and short-term loans of medical devices.
Drug and device makers also must reveal whether a physician or his or her family members have an ownership stake in the company beyond publicly traded stock.
CMS has laid out a timetable for this exercise in transparency. On August 1, drug and device makers should begin compiling information on transfers of value to physicians during the last 5 months of 2013. They must forward this data to CMS by March 31, 2014. The agency, in turn, will release the data in a searchable format on a public Web site by September 30, 2014.
The American Medical Association and other medical societies have worried (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/760151) that erroneous information about how much physicians receive from drug and device makers could hurt their reputations and careers. Anticipating that problem, the ACA gives physicians and industry 45 days to review the data for mistakes and submit any corrections before CMS posts it online. Under the final regulations, if a physician and a manufacturer disagree about what changed hands, CMS will publish the manufacturer's data but flag it as disputed. The data can be revised on the CMS Web site, but only at 12-month intervals.
Information from Industry
Organized medicine had asked CMS to dispense with the 45-day period for review and correction and instead update its Web site on a year-round basis as manufacturers and physicians resolve data differences. The agency replied in its final regulations that "we do not have the resources to make continual changes to the Web site."


Ignorance of Sunshine Requirements Widespread
A recent survey of more than 1000 physicians by the information technology company MMIS shows that much of the medical profession is unfamiliar with the ACA's sunshine provisions even though they have been in the news for several years. More than half said that they did not know that the law requires drug and device makers to report how much they are giving physicians in money, goods, and services, according to an MMIS press release issued yesterday.
That news came as a rude shock, because 63% of those surveyed told MMIS that they are "deeply concerned" that these payments will be available in a public, searchable database. Twenty-one percent said that they will severe a relationship with a company that submits inaccurate information to CMS.

[GrowGoddess]

Back to the patient: We are making progress. He gives an update. He has made his own oil for the first time. Very impressive for a first attempt. I walked him through the process online.

A note from the patient:

It's been a month since I posted. A sample of my tonsil tissue was sent to Mayo and came back positive after coming up negative here. I allowed them to take the lymph node a few weeks ago and it came back positive, as well. Squamous cell carcinoma - tonsil primary with metastasis to at lest one node - T1 N1 - stage 3 at least.

The local hospital had me lined up for two kinds of chemo, surgery and radiation before the tonsil and lymph node biopsies. A needle biopsy had found cancer already. I took the surgeon up on a offer for a second opinion at U of M. They knew going in that I am anti chemo and radiation, so I got a surgery only option. Of course, if tissue samples go to pathology and come back positive they will push radiation.

So, I have accepted the opportunity that I have to contribute to this cause. I began my oil treatment on Christmas Eve, before the tonsil and lymph node biopsies. I have about 11 grams to go to finish up my 60 gram dosage and at a gram per day now, I will have completed the treatment in less than two months. I intend to continue taking a gram per day for another 30 days at least, if my project worked today. That will get me close to a 90 gram treatment, if things work out. I look at it as insurance. The oil has helped many symptoms that I don't want back, anyway.

Surgery is scheduled for mid-March. If everything comes back negative, the only thing that the doctors will be able to say is that the two biopsies must have removed all of the cancer, I had unnecessary surgery and I don't need radiation and chemo. I will post the results of my biopsies here, before April.

My project today was to make my own first batch of oil. I only have sativa to work with, so no testing tonight! The run went easier than expected. It demands attention and care. It's messy working with something like runny molasses until it hits air temperature and turns into gum. I'm sure that there is a gram left on my equipment that will just become part of my next batch. I set the orange cap from an oral syringe in the cup for color reference, but it's shaded. The oil turned out more amber than I expected from my first ISO quick wash. This is the last little bit to pick up.
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I am very proud of my "pad-wan learner" patient.

I will be making an additional 30 grams of oil for him so it will be about 90 grams of my oil before his next surgery with another biopsy.

Anyone who reads this, please pray with me that by the grace of God the next biopsy comes up negative.

[GrowGoddess]

Now it is my turn. I have upped the offer to a free 90 gram (cc's) treatment.

Here is the 30 grams of oil I made for him, and I did my best. I used some of my best buds, 10 ounces.

The oil is just about ready here.
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Here the oil is finished. It tastes and vapes awesome! The little drip on the toothpick, I ate it and it made me feel goooood. Must always test before giving to a patient. ;) I ended up with 36 grams, so I get to keep 6 grams for myself.
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Will be reporting back as soon as I hear something new or after the biopsy.

[painretreat]

It is too bad we cannot inject Cannabis Oil in the sites of biopsies from cancer.
I hope I live long enough to see the day, M.D.'s use a scalpel in one hand and rso in the other. When they remove a tumor, to replace it with the cannabis oil? I always fear 'biopsies' because the cancers' rate of spread, increase's. Rather nice to see this patient has the right medicine, rso, in his system.

Do Biopsies Spread Cancer? -- SAN DIEGO, Aug. 23, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/do-biopsies-spread-cancer-167177565.html)

If cancer hates oxygen why does it seem to spread once an operation begins (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/If_cancer_hates_oxygen_why_does_it_seem_to_spread_ once_an_operation_begins)

While thinking of oxygen and rso:weedpoke:, I now realize, why the THC is so important with the CBD's. Makes more sense!

:rasta: pr

[GrowGoddess]

In two or three more weeks we should have the biopsy results from my new cancer patient. He has consumed about 90 grams of oil to date.

While I have been waiting, I had to do something with my time. I decided to make a small batch of oil. Took some pictures and thought I would share them.

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[GrowGoddess]

When I made this batch of oil, I made two separate batches using the same bud material.

The first quick wash is the lighter colored oil on the left, which is a higher quality oil. Then I washed the material again with a longer soak time, which produced a darker oil on the right.

I put a flashlight behind the syringes so the color difference and how transparent the oil is.

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[GrowGoddess]

The patient has been confirmed cancer free. No chemo, no radiation, only minor surgery and RSO.

I will fill in the details at another time, need to take a mental break.

The important thing is that the patient is cancer free, happy, and healthy.

If we are lucky, the patient will post his story in his words here for us to read.

Either way, details will be coming soon.

[Weezard]

Joy!

And we recently received the scan results for my glioma patient.

"there is redemonstration of changes of the left parietal craniotomy with underlying left parietal mass resection cavity. The resection cavity has similar appearance versus prior scan. Associated ex vacuo dilation of the left lateral ventricle is unchanged. The extent of surrounding T2 hyperintensity is also not appreciably changed. The nodular, interrupted enhancement along the anterior margin of the resection cavity is redemonstrated. The extent of enhancement is not significantly changed since the August 2012 study, though the areas do appear slightly more nodular. Tis is well demonstrated on sagittal postcontrast image and axial postcontrast image. No new areas of enhancement are identified. The usual major intracranial flow voids are present. No acute infract or infracranial hemorrhage is identified. The tiny extra axial fluid collection deep to the craniotomy site is unchanged.
The globes are intact. No abnormal orbital masses are identified. The visualized paranasal sinus and satoids are unremarkable. No osseous lesions are identified.
Enhancement is again noted along the deep anterior margin of the left parietal resection cavity. While there has been no significant change in extent of enhancement, the enhancement does appear thicker and more nodular. "

A remarkably good scan report.
It has been a year since the debulking surgery and there is still no new growth!
He is doing a gram a day of Skunkpharm's Holy anointing oil and several courses of Temecazol.

He has already beat the odds of the TMZ alone treated patients, and is feeling well.
The only symptoms are from the chemo and the effects of the surgery,
And they are improving daily.

More test results coming in June!

Aloha nui,

Weezard

[Marzfisch64]

Yuck! Rick Simpson Oil is gross!

How about this??
http://boards.cannabis.com/concentrates/205708-will-make-best-hash-oil-available.html

[GrowGoddess]

Yuck! Rick Simpson Oil is gross!

How about this??
http://boards.cannabis.com/concentrates/205708-will-make-best-hash-oil-available.html

My oil is not yucky. This is about as good as it is gonna get my friend.

Vape it, smoke it, eat it: tastes like ganja period.

Medicinally speaking, it does not matter if the oil tastes yucky. My first batches that were yucky tasting were just as potent as my most recent batches. You cannot judge the potency by the taste or color. You can tell by looking at it if it is going to taste good or not. The oil in this picture was produced with 99% isopropyl alcohol as the solvent. This oil tastes great!

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[gracelesskelly]

I only recently became aware of RSO and would really like to try it for my recurrent cancer but I'm in an illegal state. Now I'm not against breaking a law or two to save my life but I'm concerned with quality. I live in Missouri and our drug dealers aren't known for their quality control or expertise. In my experience, the availabilty is either bad, good or great. I wouldn't know an indica if it bit me in the face. Growing isn't an option for me. Any suggestions on how to find the proper ingredients when I'm 'shopping'? Or is it posible to travel somewhere legal to purchase what I need? I have a plethora of proof that I'm a cancer patient. Thanks in advance, any advice is most appreciated.

[gracelesskelly]

Really, ANY advice.

I'd make a great patient for a caregiver. I'm really nice, I don't have cooties or bad breath and I have cancer, so I'm a sure thing.

[Weezard]

Why is growing not an option?

Reason I ask, is it's about the only thing I give half way decent advice about.

Judging bud quality is a learned skill.

Reading about it is not experience, but it's a good start.
I suggest that you click on the link in my signature and start reading.
You'll find a veritable plethora of information. :) (Sorry, hadda)

Seriously, you'll get plenty of help here.
But what quality of help you get, will reflect the quality of your queries, yah?

Welcome to cdot from a fellow traveler.

Aloha,
Weezard

[gracelesskelly]

OOooo I like you, Weezard, you is funny! Growing isn't an option right now because I live with a friend who isn't exactly the liberated type. Hoping to change that in the future but in the meantime, I'm sorta stuck between a rock and a tard place. I want to start the oil regimen but I'm so uninformed I don't know where to begin. I'm sloooowly coming up to speed. I've been reading my butt off for the past week, from the minute I heard about Rick Simpson oil. My goal is to find a reliable source in my area and produce my own or find a willing and experienced caregiver and travel to get what I need. The whole process is sorta daunting but I'm determined to figure it out because this cancer nonsense is really getting old. I've been at the mercy of my docs for over 2yrs and I'm tired of feeling pooey and looking like the guy from that Powder movie. I'm supposed to start my 7th kind of chemo next week and the thought of doing so makes me want to cry and/or vomit. I don't know how to up the quality of my queries, at this point I'm not even sure what to query. I just know that I need help getting started. I promise any help I receive won't be wasted on me, if someone can help me save my life I vow to use whatever time I have left to help others.

[Weezard]

OOooo I like you, Weezard, you is funny! Growing isn't an option right now because I live with a friend who isn't exactly the liberated type. Hoping to change that in the future but in the meantime, I'm sorta stuck between a rock and a tard place.

See, you've defined a major problem right away. :)
You could leap 2 hurdles at once by moving to any state in the 21st century.

I'm an old steelhead.
Been chasin' ever higher highs, since '65.
Even worked for a corporation that was rabid about their zero tolerance policy.
Smoked heavily everyday and none were the wiser.

Simpson oil is a whole 'nother level though.
If you do it right, it will be impossible to hide from your friend.
You will need to push your tolerance.
Push it too hard and you will be a boneless chicken for 8 -16 hours.
Should your friend be unaware of the reason that you are suddenly a people-skinned rug, you could see the inside of an ER.
And, depending on how under-informed you friend is about the true nature of Cannabis, you could be incarcerated, (for your own good, of course:) ).

So, I would strongly advise that you change your situation first.
You will not be able to hide this from friends and family.
Best to get your friend on-board, or move out.

I want to start the oil regimen but I'm so uninformed I don't know where to begin. I'm sloooowly coming up to speed. I've been reading my butt off for the past week, from the minute I heard about Rick Simpson oil. My goal is to find a reliable source in my area and produce my own or find a willing and experienced caregiver and travel to get what I need. The whole process is sorta daunting but I'm determined to figure it out because this cancer nonsense is really getting old. I've been at the mercy of my docs for over 2yrs and I'm tired of feeling pooey and looking like the guy from that Powder movie. I'm supposed to start my 7th kind of chemo next week and the thought of doing so makes me want to cry and/or vomit. I don't know how to up the quality of my queries, at this point I'm not even sure what to query. I just know that I need help getting started. I promise any help I receive won't be wasted on me, if someone can help me save my life I vow to use whatever time I have left to help others.

Goodonya!
Start with providing some details about the malaise
For some kinds of cancer, RSO is, um, less effective.

And for some kinds, it's a total waste of resources.
It is NOT a cure-all!
For some cancers it is merely a safe and excellent palliative treatment, nothing more.

That said, once you chart a navigable course, we'll be happy to help in any way we can.
I'm sure that I speak for many of the old-timers here.

Also, best to start a new thread rather than hijack this one.
Make the title reflect the content and the right people will find it, yah?

'twould also be a good idea to goto your personal page and start a photo album.
Only has to have one picture in it.
No gotta be weedish, anything will do.
You'll see why later.

Aloha,
Weeze

[gracelesskelly]

My friend is aware and supportive, just not willing to take a growing risk. I'm heeding all of your advice immediately and will vacate this thread. Thanks so much for your help! :)

[GrowGoddess]

My most recent experience with Rick Simpson Oil.

I may have successfully created electronic cannabis oil. Using RSO, I have added other ingredients to it in an attempt to mimic the electronic cigarette oils. I did this because the e-cigarettes work so well. I love the pen vaporizers. When it comes to convenience, they cannot be beat. I have looked into other pen vaporizers meant for waxes and other oils. I have read many forums discussing the different pen vaporizers available. It seems that there is no all mighty pen vaporizer out there, each brand seems to have various problems.

One challenge with this experiment is that the e-cigarette oils are water based and the RSO (cannabis oil) is oil based. That limits a lot of options.

Since there is no A-1 pen vaporizer, I decided to make some A-1 cannabis oil that an electronic cigarette would be accommodating to. It is still in the testing phase. It takes some time to consume one oil fill in the vaporizer. ;) Looks like it will take a couple weeks if not longer to determine if I have had true success in this e-cannabis oil. :D

It tastes very good. When it comes to vaporizing oil, it is the best experience I have had. It definitely gives me the strongest buzz effects compared to any other vaporizing method I have used. I have also noticed that the buzz effect seems to be different than with smoking or vaporizing straight RSO.

My new G-Oil (LOL) , vaporizes at a lower temperature than what the RSO does. It thins the oil out so it can be used in a wick type pen vaporizer. It also helps penetrate tissue (lungs) so that the RSO can go into the blood stream faster and more efficiently.

I will check back soon and give more of a final report. It is still in the trial stage.

I only paid $35 for the vaporizer after tax and shipping.

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[GrowGoddess]

Well, the pen vaporizer seems to be quite worthy. They are inexpensive enough to purchase extras or replacement pieces. I am using a Dream Vapor Electronic Cigarette. Looks like ego T makes a similar product. It seems that the parts may be interchangeable. There are all kinds of accessories, like variable voltage batteries.

Well, the big trick to make it work was actually pretty simple. I would very gently warm the RSO just until it melted. Then I take it off the heat and add propylene glycol to it. The mixture varies between 20-50% PG to RSO. The PG is used in some e-cigg oils, pharmaceutical products, and food processing. It causes the oil to penetrate the skin, or lung tissue which aids the oil to enter the bloodstream more effectively. Also, it causes the oil to vaporize at a lower temperature.

Man, I sure do love my pen vape with this oil mixture!

[giggletwig]

GrowGoddess, this information on the e-cig is very interesting to me as I already have an e-cig and find them easy to use, healthier and portable (just using nicotine at the moment though, not as much punch as I'd like to have...). How much of your mixture do you need to vape to get the desired effect? I had thought of making green dragon using propylene glycol instead of RSO. Any thoughts on how effective it would be? I know it would be weaker, but would it be strong enough to have an effect when vaped?

Thanks so much for all the great info you provide and for all of your hard work. It is very much appreciated.

[GrowGoddess]

Never tried green dragon, really don't know much about tinctures like that.

First, one or two big draws from the vaporizer or four small draws I start feeling the effects. However, it is kind of a different buzz than using the RSO straight in an eclipse vaporizer. I prefer the effects from the vape pen.

I look at it this way, the RSO is too thick to work properly in the e-pen vape so it needed to be thinned out. With hash or BHO, I would dilute it similarly until it is a little thicker than the e-cigg oil. If green dragon is already a liquid, maybe it will work just the way it is?

Another thing to consider that I don't know about, is the fact that the propylene glycol causes the oil to vaporize at a lower temperature, does that make it necessary for the oil product to go through decarboxylation? I am guessing it would probably work with other hash type products. All I have tried so far is RSO.

It tastes like quality hash with a hint of e-cigarette. It is unique. I am liking it so much, I haven't cared to even smoke a joint since I have been using the vape pen.

Hope this helps.

If you learn about other products, please let us know.

[GrowGoddess]

The patient has been confirmed cancer free. No chemo, no radiation, only minor surgery and RSO.

I will fill in the details at another time, need to take a mental break.

The important thing is that the patient is cancer free, happy, and healthy.

If we are lucky, the patient will post his story in his words here for us to read.

Either way, details will be coming soon.

Well, I was waiting for the patient to post his story here, but it seems he has decided otherwise. So here we go.

The patient had a second surgery, a radical tonsillectomy along with removal of additional nodes on the original effected side. The tonsil and nodes were all biopsied. The nodes all came out negative. The tonsil on the side of the original effected node tested positive. There was a one centimeter sized tumor found. However, there were no signs of it metastasizing! There should have been signs because originally it did spread to a node, the first node that was removed.

Since the tumor source, the tonsil, showed no signs of metastasizing, I believe that is some small proof that the RSO was working. In my opinion, if he continued taking the oil for two or three more months, like the first cancer patient, 5 or 6 months before any surgeries, biopsies, or scans, there would have been no cancer found. We discussed this in the beginning, before he started the treatment that it would be 5 to 6 months minimum to fully terminate the cancer. Again, this is just my opinion, I/we cannot prove it.

The patient feels bad for me. The goal was to cure the cancer without any additional treatment other than with the RSO. I do not blame him, he wanted the cancer out of his body. I would have too. There really is not enough evidence or research in concentrated cannabis oil, I fully understand. The part he does not understand, it that I did not do this to prove RSO works. In my prayers to God, I decided to treat a cancer patient, that was a total stranger to me, for free, and do my best to take away the cancer. As far as I am concerned, there has been 100% success.

The patient is doing well, still recovering from some after effects of the surgery. There was some minor nerve damage which is causing some strength difficulties in one arm. He has mentioned that it is slowly recovering.

Something he did say a couple of times to me. The entire experience was like a dream, something foggy and unreal. He is confident that he is cancer free. He just needs to continue to take maintenance doses of the RSO to keep cancer away. I am confident too.

I was asked not to give too many details, he values his privacy tremendously, all for good reason, and I will respect that.

I have spoken everything as truthful as I possibly could.

The first cancer patient is still doing great too.

[GrowGoddess]

This information is probably better suited to be in the vaporizer section of this website, but, this is part of my RSO experience.

I truly believe that vaporizing the RSO can have great medicinal effects. I also believe that vaporizing the oil is a healthy alternative to smoking buds. It is very similar to smoking the buds in that you get a 2-3 hour buzz from vaping the RSO. For some people this is much preferred, because they do not want an 8-12 hour buzz. Vaporizing does not replace ingesting the oil when fighting serious illness or disease. For lung issues it is a great benefit in my opinion.

After having used the vaporizer with RSO for a while now, I have lost interest in smoking buds.

There are a lot of portable vaporizers available for oils. In my opinion, most of them are junk or they are a rip off. The best ones I have read about cost more than $200 and I have seen many reviews regarding them malfunctioning often, just a waste of money. The highest quality portable vaporizers and the best for your money are going to be e-cigarette oil compatible. With the new vaporizer I purchased, if any attachments will not fit it, I am not interested in it. The new vaporizer is the itazte SVD by Innoken. As far as I am concerned, this is one of the best portable oil vaporizers in the world. It accepts almost all e-cigarette company's attachments. I believe it also accepts some pen vaporizer accessories that were meant for cannabis concentrates. I will know soon, I recently ordered some of those accessories to see if they do fit and work.

This device is superior to most. You can check the resistance of each attachment with a built in ohmmeter. You can adjust the voltage from 3 to 6 volts and you can adjust the wattage up to 15 watts. The unit feels very heavy duty. It has a medical instrument quality feel to it. All this and it is less than $100. By the time you get the batteries and charger for the batteries, the cost is around $120 - $150 depending upon brand and style of batteries and charger.

Here are some pictures.

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Close up.
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SVD Shown with pen style vaporizer atomizer attachment.
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Propylene Glycol USP that I use to liquify the RSO to work in the vaporizer. You MUST use Propylene Glycol USP that is food and medical grade, USP is the key in obtaining the correct type.
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More information about the vaporizer to come soon.

[kwilal]

Howdy folks,
New here at the site, been lurking for the past 3 months just reading and learning. I'm from the Chicagoland area. Found out I had Stage 3 pancreatic cancer last August, which culminated in a Whipple Procedure being done to me in September. Chemo & radiation followed from Christmas until the beginning of February. In March a friend mentioned Simpson Oil to me and I've been on a learning binge since. Started the Simpson Oil around the beginning of May for 2 weeks, ran out about 6 days before I could get it restocked. Back on it now, hopefully without anymore interuptions. Things are going well so far, would still like to make my own oil soon, supplier has no problem with that, hopefully I'll be able to follow along with GrowGoddess's instructions. Will try making it in the near future. I'm assuming I'll have to do a 90-120 day program, as I've already gone through the chemo & radiation. Can someone tell me how important the Budwig Diet is? I was on it for a few weeks but full digestion seems to be a hit & miss sort of thing. Trips to the restroom seem to end with a fair amount of "flax seed oil slick" on the surface of the water. Is this normal? Just continue with the Diet? I'm sure I'll have a thousand questions as things go along, for now just a quick hello to all and feel free to chime in on any problems which may pop-up for me or set me on the right course should you see me doing sonething wrong. Thanks again.
Ken

[GrowGoddess]

Welcome kwilal.

An uninterrupted supply of the oil is important. Taking the doses three times per day and working up to one gram per day (.33 gram doses three times per day). I have seen cancer patients cured in as little as two months on up to one year. Being that you have undergone the chemo & radiation a longer regimen of the oil is recommended to help undo the damage that was done from those treatments. Each type of cancer and individual situations, well, the treatment is truly unpredictable.

Should you get to a point where you can make your own oil, be sure to follow the directions. The frozen quick wash method I use is not necessary, it just offers a bonus in taste for the most part. The most important thing with the oil is that quality buds were used to make it and the alcohol (solvent) is purged out properly.

No skimping! You must be patient. One patient I helped advise could not find a coffee cup warmer in their local store and did not want to wait for delivery ordering one online. He decided to use his coffee pot warmer. The coffee pot warmer was too hot and in turn, ruined the oil. The oil was beautifully colored, but there was no buzz effect what so ever. It appears that the extra heat from the coffee pot warmer caused the THC to become degraded.

Good luck to you and may God bless you on this journey.

[kwilal]

Thanks GrowGoddess,
Can't even remember how I got here but it was this thread of yours that got me reading and learning. I'm very fortunate in that my friend who told me about Simpson Oil is also registered in Michigan to grow the stuff so that's one less thing to worry about on my end. He's also taking it easy on my wallet. I noticed you cooked up a batch of oil on page 4 and that's probably the directions I'll end up using. Feel free to e-mail me if there's anything I should know that isn't in there.
Ken

[nascarmike]

Goddess thanks for the info. I've seen the Rick Simpson video and I had my doubts but i'm happy your patient is getting good results. Thank you for being a caregiver. Patients such as myself can't thank you enough for all you do for us.

[kwilal]

Howdy again,
Quick question for GrowGoddess and the rest of the clan. GrowGoddess mentions taking 1/3 gram of Simpson oil three times a day. I started out slow but worked up to a gram/day in the first week. As it is now, I've been taking the full gram between 9PM and midnight and then hitting the sack for a good night's sleep. Does anyone see a problem with taking the oil all in one sitting or should I be dividing the oil into three daily doses? Thanks for any help.
Kenny

[GrowGoddess]

Howdy again,
Quick question for GrowGoddess and the rest of the clan. GrowGoddess mentions taking 1/3 gram of Simpson oil three times a day. I started out slow but worked up to a gram/day in the first week. As it is now, I've been taking the full gram between 9PM and midnight and then hitting the sack for a good night's sleep. Does anyone see a problem with taking the oil all in one sitting or should I be dividing the oil into three daily doses? Thanks for any help.
Kenny

Three times per day is the ideal regimen. I strongly recommend three equal size doses per day. The gram per day thing is a toughie. Different oils, with different potency can vary dramatically. There is really no way to tell what is the "correct" size dose to fight cancer or any other serious illness. Especially if there is not somebody with experience in the oil and judging potency. A lot of the cancer patients near me will get together share, and discuss their issues. Share samples to get an idea of what oil they have.

There are many different types of lab testing out there based on potency. If any of them are truly accurate, I do not know which is the right testing procedures to seek so I don't fully trust the lab test potency results I have seen posted.

The best advice I could give, for someone using RSO to fight an illness, would be three equal size doses per day, and as much oil that can be consumed. I believe that is what Rick would say.

I did have a patient that was taking antidepressants when using the oil. He was able to get up to a gram per day quickly without feeling major effects from the oil. When he did reach the gram per day point, he was baked out of his mind 24/7 throughout the entire treatment. He commented that even a simple chore like taking out the trash, became complex.

[GrowGoddess]

Finally got it and I want to show this bad boy off!

Custom glass design. Three mj leaves and a custom drip tip (mouthpiece). Only one like it in the whole world as it is my custom design, yeah baby!

First time getting to vaporize my e-cannabis oil through an all glass rig. The taste is out of this world. So much better than anything I have ever tried. I will surely have to get another one for vaporizing my e-cigg oils. The taste is so much better using the glass tank.

Ordered from High Desert Vapes. It took a while to get it, but was well worth the wait. They definitely pulled through for me.

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[GrowGoddess]

Looks like we will have to wait for the Supreme Court ruling before making any more concentrates, at least in Michigan. The COA just ruled that all concentrates are illegal and the only legal way to use medical marijuana is basically smoking joints or eating it raw. No oils or resins, no topicals, no edibles. We can tell who is running this country and it is not the people, it is big corporations like the pharmaceutical companies. Hopefully I can get back to making oil again.

Just thought I would share one more picture of my custom glass rig.

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[WKRMN]

Hello everyone!

This is my very first post...I am so happy I found this forum! My dad was recently diagnosed with stage 3 lung cancer (about 3 weeks ago). The doctors have also told him it has moved into some of his lymph nodes. He is going to an oncologist today to learn about chemo and some other treatments. However, I have mentioned some "alternative" treatment options and he seems to be ok with the idea. So...I went ahead and procured some high grade indica (afghan kush, and some northern lights) the other day. I was only able to get about 3/4 of an oz. though....I know, not very much...and my RSO will probably be very difficult to extract.

GrowGoddess- I've read through all of your posts! Thank you so much for the plethora of info. RSO is a very confusing process once you start reading through multiple sites/recipes. I only need a few more items to begin my first small batch of RSO, the solvent being one of them. Since my dads cancer is stage 3, I want to produce the highest quality possible...and it seems like the consensus is to use naphtha to do so. I was planning on 99% ISO...having a hard time finding it. Then I read about everclear, which I can get at any liquor store here...but it seems like people say you get much less THC extracted with this method. Ugh...just writing this post makes me nervous. This stuff is expensive! And I don't want to mess it up. I'll try to post some pics once I get started and let you know my results...but any other tips would be appreciated!

OH! And I have just started to read about this Green Dragon soda/tea stuff....would this be another option?

[GrowGoddess]

They don't like us to use links here, sorry, but I would order the 99% isopropyl alcohol online or go with the everclear. I have heard too many horror stories with using naphtha. Naphtha can be very dangerous and confusing in finding the safe to use naphtha. Either way, I keep hearing so many bad things about it, I would recommend staying away from it.

I have not tried 190 everclear myself, but my best guess is that it is just not as efficient. It can still produce premium oil though. I am pretty confident of that.

Maybe do your first batch with the 190 since you can conveniently get it. It would be good practice too. It should tide you over until you can order and receive the 99% isopropyl alcohol.

Good luck and God bless.

[Weezard]

"I want to produce the highest quality possible...and it seems like the consensus is to use naphtha to do so. I was planning on 99% ISO...having a hard time finding it. Then I read about everclear, which I can get at any liquor store here...but it seems like people say you get much less THC extracted with this method. Ugh...just writing this post makes me nervous. This stuff is expensive! And I don't want to mess it up. I'll try to post some pics once I get started and let you know my results...but any other tips would be appreciated!

OH! And I have just started to read about this Green Dragon soda/tea stuff....would this be another option?"

If you want the highest quality of an oil that actually does shrink tumors.
Use the recipe from the horses mouth.
"Run from the cure"

99% iso is hard to find.
91% is available at most drugstores
And 70% is useable but also picks up water soluble components that are undesired.
You can remove some, but not all of the water, with table salt.

Same goes for Ethanol.
The highest proof that is commercially available is 181. That's 90.5 % Ethanol.
The highest proof sold in the islands is 151. that's 75.5 %
Same story with water soluble components.

If you can't find clean naphtha, I'd go with the 91% isopropyl.

The trick with alcohol extraction is freezing temperatures.
Put the buds, the solvent, funnel, filter-papers and the containers in the freezer overnight.
Do 2 quick, (3 minutes), washes, keeping everything a cold as you can.
That freezes out the water, chlorophyll, etc. and yields a honey colored, very pure oil.
Then use a fan to do the evaporation at room temperature.

Patience is advised.
When it looks done, do it some more. :)

It will look like coffee with cream.
Then small black dots form and turn into large, black, globs.
At the end there is some water left over.
It will look reddish.
We call that "red oil."
It has very little psychoactive effect and tastes nasty so we usually discard it.

Then, set it on a coffee warmer and watch it closely.
When large, (air & solvent), bubbles stop and the tiny, (CO2), bubbles start to taper off, it's done.
Start with a match head size dose 2 or 3 times per day and increase the size of the dose as he builds a tolerance.

I advise against using Butane.
It's very dangerous and the end product appears to be less effective as a cancer treatment.

Aloha,
Weezard

[WKRMN]

Big thanks for the speedy response Weezard! I was just logging on to ask if I should be freezing overnight! So, I picked up some 190 proof grain alcohol today for my first test run. I may switch to ISO if this batch doesn't come out powerful enough. Will 3 minute washes be enough time if I am using everclear (190 proof)? Some people have mentioned the everclear takes longer to remove the trichomes?

Also, with the everclear, do I need to cook it down in a rice cooker? You mentioned just using a fan and letting it evaporate at room temp. That seems like it would take a couple of days? Maybe I am wrong?

[Weezard]

Actually, in a shallow pan it only takes all day. :)
And does pick up water from the air.

A rice cooker will speed it up, but you still need to use a fan.
Ethanol vapor burns with an almost invisible flame.
And with the right vapor to air ratio, is explosive.
I only do it out doors, with a fan, and use an induction heater for the boil.

My rig re-condenses the ethanol for re-use.
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So the vapor is mostly contained
I still use the fan though, because Murphy lurks.
Might not see vapor leaking until half past ignition.

And, that stuff is too expensive to just boil or burn off, yah?

"Some people have mentioned the everclear takes longer to remove the trichomes?"

I did not find that to be the case.
I inspect the buds with my Eyeclops 100X 'scope before and after the soak
3 minutes will work fine if you shake the jar well, and for maximum yield you could do 5 minutes without picking up to much chlorophyll.
Best to stick with 3 minutes and do two rinses though.
Because as soon as the temperature goes north of freezing your amber oil will turn fluorescent green and taste quite nasty.

If you leave the spent buds in the filter paper at the end for can watch the green color appear as they warm up.


Weigh the buds before you start, then weigh the oil.
I have ended with 21% yield, but it was superior bud to start with.

Aloha,
Weeze

[WKRMN]

You the man Weezard! :thumbsup:

[WKRMN]

So here will be my process:

1. froze buds and 190 proof grain alcohol overnight.
2. separate buds by hand and place into jar
3. pour alcohol over buds until submerged
4. Shake shake shake! for 3 min.
5. Pour through filter into rice cooker (I'd like to speed it up slightly instead of waiting and watching all day at room temp)
6. Add plant buds back into jar for second wash (pour alcohol over buds again)
7. Shake it up baby. 3min.
8. pour through filter into rice cooker
8.5. maybe a third wash?!
9. Bring cooker outside and place on high. Fan will be used to carry vapors away.
10. Watch carefully until it boils down fairly low
11. transfer to a pyrex glass measuring cup and place on coffee warmer
12. Stare at bubbles! Until they are all gone. Wonder how long this will take?
13. slurp it up with a syringe...I now have liquid gold.

How does this sound?

[cheri_shop]

I would like to start out curing my cancer. What is the recommended dosage? If I take one grain of rice, I am high for as many as 7 hours. But then what? How do I get on incurring regime?

Thank you
Cheri

[Weezard]

A+

Spot on!
Don't forget gloves.
Them jars get cold.
And the filtering takes time.

I did the whole thing inside the chest freezer because our ambient is >80 F..

6. Leave them in the jar.
Just decant the liquid into the filter and pour in more chilled solvent right away.
Then you can get to shaking while the filter drains.


8.5. Go for it. Probably less than 5% on the third rinse but it beats trying to squeeze out the last of the solvent from the spent bud.

I give the spent buds to a friend who is trying to quit smoking tobacco but is subject to random piss tests.
He calls it O'Doules. :)


12. It takes a while to get hot enough to bubble.
And much depends on how much solvent is still present when you start.

I can tell you that the tiny bubble phase takes less than half an hour.
And the stare at it constantly part was for folks with poor reading comprehension.

You actually understood the process right off.
So, trust your judgement.
You can see, hear, and smell the progress.
After the first de-carb vigil, you will know when, and for how long, you can risk leaving it unattended, yah?

When this is done, I'd like to mine you for information about the effects of the Whipple.
My wife has a litter of neuro-endocrine tumors in her pancreas.
Small, and benign, so far.
We are watching them closely.
I assume it's like instant onset diabetes?

Meh, we've already muddied this thread a bit.
Perhaps we should start a new thread in the medical forum to document your progress.

Aloha,
Weeze

[Weezard]

The answer is in the question.

It would seem to indicate a grain of rice every 7-8 hours.
3 times a day

Unless you need to get things done.
Then twice a day dosage will do.

Increase the dosage gradually as your tolerance builds.
And know that not all oil is created equal.
Less potent oil?
Higher dosage.

What's important is to start low and increase gradually.
If you take too much at once, it can be a rocky ride.

May we ask what kind of cancer you are treating?

Aloha,

Weezard

[WKRMN]

@Weezard Woop! I'm at the boiling process now (in cooker). Seems to be working fairly well! I have a "pee" colored liquid that is slowly shrinking. I've done a pretty small batch, only 3/4 OZ...so I'm not expecting major results...hopefully I get at least a few drops. :(

One more question and I will start a new thread to document progress. How do you clean your equipment out? Would dish soap be good? Seems to remove the sticky residue from my hands quite well. Aloha!

[Weezard]

Well first I rinse with warm alcohol to reclaim traces
I also rinse it from swatches of paper towel that I wipe spills with.

Then just pop 'em in the dishwasher.
You should get about 4 grams.
A tad over 1/8th oz.

Good job!
Weeze

[WKRMN]

Ok...I'm still warming on the coffee warmer. LOTS of bubbles...but its more like a foam. They don't seem to be popping. Should I just let it keep going until they are all gone by themselves? Should I stir? If I leave it on the warmer too long will it burn the oil?

[WKRMN]

Mission complete! I ended up with approx 4 grams...although it was super hard to suck it up into the syringe. This stuff is soooooo sticky. I mean like, you cannot wash it off your skin or utensils or teeth sticky. Is it supposed to be so sticky?

[kwilal]

A trip to Amazon.com in search of rice cookers and coffee cup warmers resulted in page after page of possibilities. Can anyone here recommend a particular brand of cooker and warmer that has worked out well for them? Would sure hate to ruin my first batch of RSO by buying inferior equipment.
Ken

[Weezard]

Mission complete! I ended up with approx 4 grams...although it was super hard to suck it up into the syringe. This stuff is soooooo sticky. I mean like, you cannot wash it off your skin or utensils or teeth sticky. Is it supposed to be so sticky?

Yes, yes it is.
Especially on the teeth.
That's why I use capsules.

293239

Sticky just means that you got all the solvent out.
And it's safe to consume.
In moderation. :)

Have to keep it hot to "suck it up".
At 80 F. it's a hard squeeze to fill the caps.

Oh, and stirring is advised at the final stage.
I use a round kine toothpick to prick the bubbles and stir.
No want to scorch it.
Probably should have mentioned that.

Wipe the toothpick with a small piece of paper towel.
Save those pieces and toss them in with the next batch.

And you will find it more efficient to make larger batches.
You get the same amount of waste but it's a smaller percentage of the yield.

Well done brah!
Take a bow.

Aloha,
Weeze

[cheri_shop]

I want to cure a cancer! What is the oil dosage? Are you loking for "patients"? or subjects for astudy? I'm very interested!

regards,
Cheri

[WKRMN]

Capsules are definitely the smart way to go. I was sucking this stuff of my teeth for an hour last night! I only tried a small amount (basically licked a toothpick I used to stir the final burn off)...didn't feel anything until I woke up at 3am due to a storm...oh man, I felt super relaxed. Ok...enough posting here...time to start a new journal. Thanks again everyone! I'll post pics in the new thread of my process as well...it was way easier than I thought!

[GrowGoddess]

Yes, yes it is.
Especially on the teeth.
That's why I use capsules.

293239

Sticky just means that you got all the solvent out.
And it's safe to consume.
In moderation. :)

Have to keep it hot to "suck it up".
At 80 F. it's a hard squeeze to fill the caps.

Oh, and stirring is advised at the final stage.
I use a round kine toothpick to prick the bubbles and stir.
No want to scorch it.
Probably should have mentioned that.

Wipe the toothpick with a small piece of paper towel.
Save those pieces and toss them in with the next batch.

And you will find it more efficient to make larger batches.
You get the same amount of waste but it's a smaller percentage of the yield.

Well done brah!
Take a bow.

Aloha,
Weeze

True for the first batches of oil that I have made referring to the sticking to the teeth. All of the oil I make now it almost instantly dissolves. There is very minimal sticking to the teeth if at all.

No chlorophyll or other unwanted elements. When I get the oil to come out amber or a translucent golden color, it is more runny and it dissolves in the mouth much better. It tastes great too! That doesn't necessarily mean that it is any better medicinally. Just the way I prefer it.

[GrowGoddess]

A trip to Amazon.com in search of rice cookers and coffee cup warmers resulted in page after page of possibilities. Can anyone here recommend a particular brand of cooker and warmer that has worked out well for them? Would sure hate to ruin my first batch of RSO by buying inferior equipment.
Ken

I use these. Not allowed to leave links, but each of these items can be found on Amazon just search the item descriptions.

Coffee Cup Warmer - Mr. Coffee MWBLK Mug Warmer

Rice Cooker - Aroma Arc-3-Cup (Uncooked) 6-Cup (Cooked) Rice Cooker and Food Steamer

[GrowGoddess]

Ok...I'm still warming on the coffee warmer. LOTS of bubbles...but its more like a foam. They don't seem to be popping. Should I just let it keep going until they are all gone by themselves? Should I stir? If I leave it on the warmer too long will it burn the oil?

Stir it around with a toothpick. Sometimes I will put some coins between the coffee cup warmer and metal dish the oil is in to regulate the heat better.

I have noticed with the transparent oil (made using a quick frozen wash with top shelf, bone dry buds) it can be runnier and more difficult to purge the alcohol. I also noticed that some of the bubbles are actually air bubbles. What I do is turn it off, cover it with a baggie so no dust can get in it and leave it off overnight. Warm it back up the next morning. You may need to let it cool down and warm it back up a couple of times to get all of the air bubbles out.

Certainly, do not over heat it. It will ruin the oil if you do.

[GrowGoddess]

I want to cure a cancer! What is the oil dosage? Are you loking for "patients"? or subjects for astudy? I'm very interested!

regards,
Cheri

If you are referring to me, I would love to be able to march forward. However, just recently in Michigan a COA ruling has banned all concentrates. I can't make anymore oil until it gets to the Supreme Court and reverses that ruling. It is just too bad.

As far as dosage, it depend upon the potency of the oil. Rule of thumb, three equal size doses per day. On average, a gram per day (cc). Super elite oil, may only require 1/2 gram per day. Lower grade oil may require two to four grams per day. If a dose the size of a grain of rice taken three times per day blows your mind, then one gram per day should be just fine.

:D

[kwilal]

Thanks for the info GrowGoddess, will hit Amazon.com tonight. Just out of curiosity, I've noticed folks here always talking about 3 portions per day about the size of a grain of rice to equal a gram. When I squirt the syringe onto a piece of bread I usually end up with a line about 4 inches in length, much larger than the 3 grains of rice reference. I know the scale I use is good (Mettler) because a brass test weight of 50 grams registers 49.937 on it. Is it just me or have others experienced the same scenario? Possible reason?
Ken

[GrowGoddess]

Thanks for the info GrowGoddess, will hit Amazon.com tonight. Just out of curiosity, I've noticed folks here always talking about 3 portions per day about the size of a grain of rice to equal a gram. When I squirt the syringe onto a piece of bread I usually end up with a line about 4 inches in length, much larger than the 3 grains of rice reference. I know the scale I use is good (Mettler) because a brass test weight of 50 grams registers 49.937 on it. Is it just me or have others experienced the same scenario? Possible reason?
Ken

to further explain, it is best for a patient to start off with doses around the size of a grain of rice three times per day to see how the oil effects them. Then work your way up to larger doses, three times per day to work up to doses that will equal to about one gram per day. Typically it is around three pea size doses to equal one gram. Some patients can take more, some can only handle less.
It is not actually by gram, it is more measured by cc or mL. Basically people consider 1 mL or 1 cc equaling a gram. It is close.

I have one of those brass weights too! Coincidentally the only one I have is a 50gram weight. The older nickles weigh exactly 5 grams. Sometimes they say 4.9 or 5.1, but when I stack up 10 of them it always read 50 grams on my digitals. The new nickles are lighter.

[Thubudpumper]

Hello to all, I am a newbie on here. Long time advocate but now am faced with some rheumatic issues that I'm trying to deal with. I was wondering If I could get some help. I recently made my first batch of oil. I was reluctant to use any solvents just in case I didn't do something right. I decided to use Everclear 151. I figured even if it has got to be awful tasting and awful for you, at least it was made for consumption? Anyway, I put about 2 gallon freezer bags of trim and popcorn from a recent grow of purple elephant and another heavy indica dominant strain. I let it soak in the everclear for weeks, shaking periodically. I strained the liquid, squeezing all I could through cheesecloth as well as through a coffee filter into a pyrex dish that I sat on top of an Oster flameless burner. It took a long time to evaporate. Eventually everthing appeared to bubble off. It actually even seemed to get a little hot being on low once most of the alcohol evaporated but I quickly removed it. I poured it into some containers. I was concerned about sucking it up into the plastic syringes because of the oil being warm and the plastic syringes, maybe it was cause toxins from the plastic to leech into the oil? Maybe I'm worried about nothing? I also didn't add any hemp seed oil or thin it so my oil has become fairly thick as it has cooled. I was just wondering if someone would comment on if everything sounds ok? Since I didn't think it, I thought maybe it would just be potent and would have to start with very very tiny (grain of rice) doses. Any suggestions/comments would be appreciated. Thank you and good health to all!

[GrowGoddess]

My only comment would be is to read this thread from the beginning.

[jbslc]

GrowGoddess,

You seem super knowledgeable - quick question for you - I'm a little unclear as to whether RSO is available for purchase within different states of the USA. For instance, it sounds like you used to actually produce it and provide it to patients in MI for a while, but then had to stop until your MI Supreme Court made a judgement about its legality. Do you happen to know if it is available for purchase in states like CA/WA/CO?

Apologies up-front - I'm new to this whole area, but I'm convinced from all my research that I need to obtain RSO - now I'm just stuck as to how and where. Any guidance would be much appreciated.

[GrowGoddess]

GrowGoddess,

You seem super knowledgeable - quick question for you - I'm a little unclear as to whether RSO is available for purchase within different states of the USA. For instance, it sounds like you used to actually produce it and provide it to patients in MI for a while, but then had to stop until your MI Supreme Court made a judgement about its legality. Do you happen to know if it is available for purchase in states like CA/WA/CO?

Apologies up-front - I'm new to this whole area, but I'm convinced from all my research that I need to obtain RSO - now I'm just stuck as to how and where. Any guidance would be much appreciated.

I don't keep up too much on other state's mmj laws, but From what I understand, in CA it can be purchased, but you are not allowed to make it. Crazy as it sounds. I believe you must be a CA registered mmj patient though.

I don't really know much about CO or WA, however in 2014 you may be able to purchase it over the counter in CO.

Regardless, typically oil that is for sale is below par. As always, I highly recommend obtaining quality buds and make the oil yoursel

[GrowGoddess]

GrowGoddess,

You seem super knowledgeable - quick question for you - I'm a little unclear as to whether RSO is available for purchase within different states of the USA. For instance, it sounds like you used to actually produce it and provide it to patients in MI for a while, but then had to stop until your MI Supreme Court made a judgement about its legality. Do you happen to know if it is available for purchase in states like CA/WA/CO?

Apologies up-front - I'm new to this whole area, but I'm convinced from all my research that I need to obtain RSO - now I'm just stuck as to how and where. Any guidance would be much appreciated.

I don't keep up too much on other state's mmj laws, but From what I understand, in CA it can be purchased, but you are not allowed to make it. Crazy as it sounds. I believe you must be a CA registered mmj patient though.

I don't really know much about CO or WA, however in 2014 you may be able to purchase it over the counter in CO.

Regardless, typically oil that is for sale is below par. As always, I highly recommend obtaining quality buds and make the oil yoursel

[jojoba]

Hello,
My mom had a ovary cancer in 2007 and she had immediately 6 courses of chimo. In 2010 she got her tumor marks sky high and they did the scan and saw the cancer cell spread to few of her lymphs. She got a surgical intervention and got them all removed following another 6 courses of chimo. In mid 2011 she had another surgery to clean more lyphs following another course of 6 chimo therapies. In mid 2012 she had another course of chimo but her scans show no spread or major organ damages. She just recently went to get tested and her tumor marks are almost 100 and she is about to get scanned this week. I assume they will do another set of therapies as much as she can tolerate.
My question is in regards to the RSO, is it going to yield any results by maintaining her tumor markers low and hopefully even eliminate them. I will be making the oil myself if I am unable to locate a reliable vendor here in California.
She will most likely start chemos as the markers off the charts currently and I will have the oil for her ready when she is off the chemo.
I was interested in contacting the member Vacko from page two on this thread as he had similar problem with his wife but he stopped sharing his experience with the oil like an year ago. I would really appreciate if I could send him a personal message on the board but I tried and it does not allow me to do so.
I would appreciate any feedback in the success of RSO with this sort of cancer issues.
Thank you folks for the awesome thread so far. I am sure it gave hope and more options to many people victims to cancer.

[GrowGoddess]

Jojoba,

You will have to do what you think is best. My opinion is, I would go through the complete RSO program, 90 - 120 grams of quality RSO. Then go to maintenance doses after that. I would not take the chemo treatments. I don't fully trust the tumor marker tests. There have been so many false positives and patients are put through the chemo treatments when it was not necessary.

No matter what you decide, I would start taking the RSO now, not after chemo.

Go with what your heart tells you, not what other people tell you.

Good luck and God bless.

[GrowGoddess]

Something I would like to add that I am very confident in.

After making the RSO it is not truly ready. I have noticed that some batches are two weeks and others up to 8 weeks before the oil is fully decarbed. That means all the testing and such that I read about is pretty much BS. Without knowing the date the oil was made and when it was sent in for testing. The results are worthless to me. Any testing on the concentrates for THC is worthless to me unless the oil was at least 8 weeks old before being sent in for testing. I have noticed very big differences in the same batch of oil taken weeks apart.

My last batch took 6 weeks to show its full potency. Week 5 compared to week 6, there was at least a 100% increase in potency. Maybe this is because of the methods I use or the strains, I do not know for sure. What I do know, if I make oil again, I will allow it to cure for at least 8 weeks before use. Possibly sooner if I run out. Now that I know of this, I will make sure that I have at least an 8 week supply between batches.

Some of my other batches, they seemed to have peaked in about 2 weeks. The cleaner and higher quality of oil, it seems like it took more time to fully decarb and reach its highest potency.

Another thing I have noticed is that there have been a few times that I have had oil in storage for more than a year and I did not notice any loss of potency. It was stored in syringes which were sealed in a jar.

[painretreat]

Something I would like to add that I am very confident in.

After making the RSO it is not truly ready. I have noticed that some batches are two weeks and others up to 8 weeks before the oil is fully decarbed. That means all the testing and such that I read about is pretty much BS. Without knowing the date the oil was made and when it was sent in for testing. The results are worthless to me. Any testing on the concentrates for THC is worthless to me unless the oil was at least 8 weeks old before being sent in for testing. I have noticed very big differences in the same batch of oil taken weeks apart.

My last batch took 6 weeks to show its full potency. Week 5 compared to week 6, there was at least a 100% increase in potency. Maybe this is because of the methods I use or the strains, I do not know for sure. What I do know, if I make oil again, I will allow it to cure for at least 8 weeks before use. Possibly sooner if I run out. Now that I know of this, I will make sure that I have at least an 8 week supply between batches.

Some of my other batches, they seemed to have peaked in about 2 weeks. The cleaner and higher quality of oil, it seems like it took more time to fully decarb and reach its highest potency.

Another thing I have noticed is that there have been a few times that I have had oil in storage for more than a year and I did not notice any loss of potency. It was stored in syringes which were sealed in a jar.



This brings up a very interesting point. Last year I took free rso from a 'collective' vendor, legitimately given thru the collective. Due to the quantity, I took the 3 pea sized doses and THAT was the dose that seemed to 'start' helping my issues. At that point, I stopped the rso and getting my ducks in a row to re-start, at proper dose.

What amuses me of the above statement is, the last time I spoke with the vendor that made the oil I preferred, He said, "I've been letting the oil 'dry out' until it is hard. My patients love it much better!" Which really does support your statement, GrowGoddess!

I inquired how long it takes until it is hard, and he said, "as long as it takes." Weeks or months.

Thank You GG for posting your results, just :( I have to come here to get this!


Another comment that same vendor/rso maker made was; "I use the Entire Plant!" I have to tell you, his rso was the absolute best. He also said he puts the plant in an 'olive press'---IDK anything about doing that, but he does grow and make plenty. :rasta: pr

he uses naptha instead of alcohol.

[hottrageous]

Something I would like to add that I am very confident in.

After making the RSO it is not truly ready. I have noticed that some batches are two weeks and others up to 8 weeks before the oil is fully decarbed. That means all the testing and such that I read about is pretty much BS. Without knowing the date the oil was made and when it was sent in for testing. The results are worthless to me. Any testing on the concentrates for THC is worthless to me unless the oil was at least 8 weeks old before being sent in for testing. I have noticed very big differences in the same batch of oil taken weeks apart.

My last batch took 6 weeks to show its full potency. Week 5 compared to week 6, there was at least a 100% increase in potency. Maybe this is because of the methods I use or the strains, I do not know for sure. What I do know, if I make oil again, I will allow it to cure for at least 8 weeks before use. Possibly sooner if I run out. Now that I know of this, I will make sure that I have at least an 8 week supply between batches.

Some of my other batches, they seemed to have peaked in about 2 weeks. The cleaner and higher quality of oil, it seems like it took more time to fully decarb and reach its highest potency.

Another thing I have noticed is that there have been a few times that I have had oil in storage for more than a year and I did not notice any loss of potency. It was stored in syringes which were sealed in a jar.

I am chopping my first crop tomorrow. The first thing I want to do is make the oil. If, as you say, it takes 6-weeks for full potency, that's a pretty long time for a cancer patient to wait. Is it okay to start right after the oil is made? I just have minor aches & pains so what would be a maintenance dose? I live on the west side of Michigan & I am legal.
The second thing I want is to make liquid for my e-cigarettes. My e-liquid juice is made up of pop. glycol & vegetable glycerin. I refill my own cartridges. Do you think if I added some RSO to the bottle of the juice (without the nicotine) that I buy, it would work? I am assuming that's it's legal to make the oil for myself?
Thank you for all your information.

[GrowGoddess]

I am chopping my first crop tomorrow. The first thing I want to do is make the oil. If, as you say, it takes 6-weeks for full potency, that's a pretty long time for a cancer patient to wait. Is it okay to start right after the oil is made? I just have minor aches & pains so what would be a maintenance dose? I live on the west side of Michigan & I am legal.
The second thing I want is to make liquid for my e-cigarettes. My e-liquid juice is made up of pop. glycol & vegetable glycerin. I refill my own cartridges. Do you think if I added some RSO to the bottle of the juice (without the nicotine) that I buy, it would work? I am assuming that's it's legal to make the oil for myself?
Thank you for all your information.

Yes, you can start eating or using the oil as soon as it is made. The buzz is kind of different, more comfortable and you can consume higher amounts. A basic maintenance dose is about the size of a grain of rice. A lot of that really depends upon how potent the oil is. It is difficult to properly advise unless I know the potency of the oil. A lower potency oil may require a small pea size dose. Super high potency oil may only require a half grain of rice size dose. Start off small and work up to what your body tells you is enough or too much.

No, I do not recommend mixing the RSO with e-cigg oil with no nicotine. The reason why is the e-cigg oil has vegetable glycerine in it, the other half is PG USP. You don't want the VG. It does not mix properly with RSO, there is no need for it. What you want to do is mix PG USP with the RSO. Many of the e-ciggarette shops sell PG USP. Some places call it Kosher Propylene Glycol USP, medical/food grade. Google search for a thread "My Experience With Portable Vaporizers (Pen Vaporizers) For Concentrated Cannabis Oil And E-Cigarette Oil" That may help answer more of your questions.

My all around favorite vaporizing rig is eGo C Twist 650 Variable Voltage pen battery for around $20 with a basic USB charger for about $5 - $10, and for a oil vaporizing attachment (clearomizer) I like the iClear16 the best, less than $10. The iClear16 is rebuildable, you can just simply screw a new heating element into it easy. You can also use the iClear30 element in the iClear16 unit. Not sure which I like better yet.

[frankdante]

Hi,

is it possible to buy RSO on line? I'm form Europe.
thanks

[GrowGoddess]

Hi,

is it possible to buy RSO on line? I'm form Europe.
thanks

I have heard of people in my country purchasing it from online sellers, even in my state. Same with other marijuana products. As for the quality of the material, I have no idea. I have heard some people complaining that the product was not good, that the buds were moldy.

I would not recommend trying to purchase it online. Honestly, you are lucky if you have a friend that will make quality oil. Keep in mind, some of the solvents people use, like naphtha, to make the oil, if not purged correctly, can make you sick. That is if they use the correct naphtha.

I would not recommend it, very risky, possibly dangerous. Quality RSO should cost at least $50 US per gram if not double that.

[WKRMN]

Hello everyone! I haven't posted in a loooong time. So a brief update and recap. My dad was diagnosed with stage 3 lung cancer. We made a batch of RSO which turned out great. He only took it a few times and said it gave him a headache. ah well...he basically gave up on it. doctors start chemo and radiation. Lung cancer has now decreased due to the raditation...but the cancer has now spread to other areas of his body including his hip where it has basically eaten his bone away. Hip surgery tomorrow morning. With the discovery of the new cancer spots in his body, they say it is now stage 4 and rapidly progressing.

So...he now is thinking seriously about trying the RSO. The main worry he had the first time around was that we made it ourselves from "locally" sourced herb. Meaning, we had no idea is the stuff we bought was what it was claimed to be. I'm thinking it wasn't an indica like the guy claimed...since it made my dad very awake and headaches. We now are on a search to find some real deal, medical grade herbs or better yet, real deal RSO. The problem is...we live in Minnesota and nothing is legal here.

I've been reading online that Oregon and Maine are pretty easy going on out of staters coming in and obtaining a medical marijuana card. Does anyone here have anything to say about this?

Secondly...is there any other option out there for us to find some help?

[painretreat]

WKRMN there is another thread here on some side effects of rso. I had slight/stomach aches with some I 'received.' It was sent to the lab and found to have iso, still in it. Plant material can also cause some indigestion. At the very least with at this aggressive stage...it will certainly relieve his symptoms and pain, with luck and prayer--maybe even cure or stall the progression.. pr

[painretreat]

Finally DID IT!!! Made my first rso with Jack Herer. I fretted for a year over absolutely nothing. I read and read and watched videos and read of some stoners burning themselves while handling the rice cooker. Had healthy fears and anxiety. Took all precautions and had a few fire extinguishers handy. Didn't lick my fingers or anything until the 'clean-up' Clean Up was the 'fun' part.

Slept the best I have in 2 years. I had tried several oils last year and noting the big 'Difference' in the oils and my effects, I knew there was a big difference. With the urging Of GrowGoddess of "Making Your Own Oil" ...Absolutely make your OWN oil, even with purchased buds. Do your homework first. I watched the video many times and read and re-read this thread and any I could find on this topic, everywhere.

Definitely make your own.

A bigger problem is getting the correct solvent in California. Naptha is no longer allowed here and a Industrial Maintenance Coating and Thinner with absolute no listed chemical name on the container, not even for poison control. The coating was what tossed me for a spin, so I passed on that. Went to Wal-Mart for syringes and iso, nope...only 70% and nothing behind the counter--probably new rules in California too! So the liquor store I went---Everclear 151 that was all I could find.. Pretty tough day. Most liquor stores only had pint bottles and I passed on that. Finally went to the 'local' liquor store and he made me a "Deal"---yes, I asked for a really GOOD Bargain deal at retail store with clearly marked prices! So he pops up with, I own 3 other liquor stores in the area and we drove to all of them and acquired the liquor including rum 151 and everclear. I can clearly see solvents as being a MAJOR ISSUE in the state of California and that was most likely the PROBLEM I discovered from different caretakers oils. And as per a previous post here is most likely WHY the naptha based oil made the BIGGEST difference from all the oils I had used and the reason I quit all oil an waiting to do it myself. Noting that in subsequent conversations with the person that made the naptha based oil had switched to vodka; now, I know why--no Naptha in Calif.

I put Half and Half cream in my rice cooker and let it boil the extra med off the sides and bottom of the rice cooker. I made some coffee and used it about 4 hours ago...the effects just comes in waves and I am more couchlocked than ever, from the 'clean-up'

Having a "PainFree" day in Southern Calif. an too stoned!!! i'll be looking for High CBD mixtures--no doubt, I cannot function on the cannacream alone!:tin foil hat:, about to see alien.:thumbsup: pr

[crystaliscious]

I can get 100 proof alcohol here , won't that work?
I made green dragon for a while now, then made it more concentrated- then cooked it down til I had an almost blak oil - applied it to a spot I had had on my arm for awhile now- the green dragon seemed to make it peel- go away- come back smaller. This concentrate made it 'bubble up' and my entire arm started turning red and hurting- I stuck with it and overnight the spot is smaller and no longer scabby and sore...

[lipps]

If you know someone in Oregon they can get 190 Everclear, no 190 in CA we must be freaking light weights, a friend sends it down. The state of Oregon sells hard liquor ( OLCC ) on their site you can browse the spirits they list Absolute 200 proof but my friend hasn't been able to get it in Portland it's only in Bend.

[lipps]

100 proof is 50% water 200 proof is pure alcohol.


I can get 100 proof alcohol here , won't that work?
I made green dragon for a while now, then made it more concentrated- then cooked it down til I had an almost blak oil - applied it to a spot I had had on my arm for awhile now- the green dragon seemed to make it peel- go away- come back smaller. This concentrate made it 'bubble up' and my entire arm started turning red and hurting- I stuck with it and overnight the spot is smaller and no longer scabby and sore...

[crystaliscious]

Thankx Lipps! I ran and checked my bottle- what I actually have is 190 proof Clear Spring Grain Alcohol.....seems to be working so far, this is the 3rd day with the spot on my arm- it is red and angry looking- no pain anymore and much smaller already...from my healthcare standpoint - WOW - this shit works!

[Weezard]

The good news;

Had a small neuro-endocrine tumor on my forearm pop up about 5 years ago.
Just another bump, paid it no mind.

Couple months ago, it started growing.
Snagged it putting on a shirt and it began to hurt.
It had not shown any sensitivity up 'til then.
That's not good, so I applied RSO topically.

Had immediate response.
Did not get painful, not even very red.

On the second application, I used a very thick, sticky, oil made from male plants.
Lifted that li'l skin tag right off, the bulk of it stuck to the bandaid.
Still didn't hurt, but it itched a bit.

Re-gooped, (a medical term :) ), and in 10 days, there's no bump, no scar, and no discoloration.
I stopped "gooping" when I could no longer find anything to goop.
Under high magnification, all I can see at the site is normal skin.
It's just plain gone!

The bad news;

Same oil, used orally for a dear friend's Glioma.
1 gram per day
Gave the patient 18 months without new growth.

Then, it stopped working.
He started having seizures.
They are getting worse.
Condition is now "status epilepticus".
The beginning of the end.

Looks like he's not going to be able to come Island side.
She's afraid of what level of drama an in-flight seizure might cause.
I said, call the airlines and ask how they handle epileptics.
Suggested she crown him with a backwards baseball cap and claim hes break dancin'. :)

Too soon?

Not really.
Humor is the only refuge now.
Helps keep our true feelings from the abyss.

The lesson?
RSO is medicine, not miracle.
Some cancer cells will respond.
Those that do not, will continue to multiply.
Medical science has destroyed his natural immune system with chemo, and caused extensive, on-going, damage with the radiation.
RSO works with your body, it needs a functioning immune system.

Sorry, too depressed to write.
I'll be back.

[crystaliscious]

Sorry to hear about your friend Weezard- look up ashwaganda and Tulsi- both are aryuvedic herbs that work in conjunction with cannabis. Ashwaganda is being used in china in conjunction with chemo and radiation to repair the immune system during treatment. Shatavari and shizandra are also both herbs that target the immune system and rebuild it.
Also pure simple sugars are the best way to 'feed' the brain - by using a very concentrated green dragon with say Ornage juice- the delivery is more targeted to the brain- complex sugars ( fake ones) won't work- they must be simple sugars.
I also saw an Israeli talk about dosing of CBD, too little no effect, too much slows the effect. My thoughts are THC is phychoactive for the purpose titration- get high you hit the right dose?
I just posted some 'recipes' in another thread under concentrates using these herbs in conjunction with the green dragon ( extra concentrated) - good luck and let me know how it goes!

[GrowGoddess]

I can get 100 proof alcohol here , won't that work?
I made green dragon for a while now, then made it more concentrated- then cooked it down til I had an almost blak oil - applied it to a spot I had had on my arm for awhile now- the green dragon seemed to make it peel- go away- come back smaller. This concentrate made it 'bubble up' and my entire arm started turning red and hurting- I stuck with it and overnight the spot is smaller and no longer scabby and sore...

This is small part from a journal I have written How I make RSO (Concentrated Cannabis Oil):


"It is very important to make no exceptions in many of the processes. Like the solvent. Many people do not have the patience and will not wait to obtain the right equipment or solvent. Impatience leads to waste and an end product that is less than par. The solvent I recommend is either 99% isopropyl alcohol or a safer solvent would be 190 Everclear. At this point in Michigan, you are much better off ordering one of the two online. You can also use any 190 proof grain alcohol, no less than 190 proof or 99% isopropyl alcohol. These are the two solvents I would choose from, they are a bit weaker than others, but in my opinion, much safer than the alternative.

A coffee mug warmer, no exceptions. One person used a coffee pot warmer plate and his entire batch of oil was destroyed. It looked great but it had zero potency and his starting bud material was very potent."

Just my opinion. 100 proof or other proof alcohols may work for some recipes, or may work for RSO, I just don't recommend it. If you know that you can get a grain alcohol that is higher than 190 proof, then God bless you!

Either way, this is what I recommend, no exceptions, for treating a serious illness.

[lyox]

Hi!
GrowGoddess, what strains did you use to make oil for your Hodgkin's Lymphoma patient?

[GrowGoddess]

Hi!
GrowGoddess, what strains did you use to make oil for your Hodgkin's Lymphoma patient?

I am happy to share that information.

Dutch Passion Strawberry Cough: this phenotype has wide fat indica leaves

TGA Querkle: a taller SpaceQueen dominant phenotype

Dr. Atomic Blueberry Jam: very difficult phenotype to get. I don't recommend it. Too many phenotypes to go through to get a good one, unfortunately. Also, it makes a darker colored oil, but it is potent. I would replace this strain with White Widow.

One of my favorites, but it is not available, clone only. I found it in bag seed about 8 years ago. I call it 4-G. TGA Qush would be a good alternative to the 4-G strain.

I recommend using 4 strains whenever possible, if not more. Out of the strains I mentioned, I think the Querkle is my favorite for making oil. Unfortunately I never got to try the shorter phenotype which is Urkle dominant.

I would suggest to take a look at my photo gallery to see the strains for yourself, but it seems once again my gallery is trashed. I fixed it twice already, but just don't have time to fix it again. It has happened at other sites too. Must be a maintenance issue/software update or something.

[lyox]

Thanks GrowGoddess.

[MarijuanaGames]

My mother is rapidly dying of triple negative breast cancer. She has been a lifelong pot smoker and when she was diagnosed she panicked and intensely researched nearly every purported cure and treatment out there. (She is an excellent researcher) She eventually settled on getting treated at Dana-Farber at a ridiculous expense. 8 months of chemo followed by months of radiation and her likelihood of survival is still pretty dim.

As she started chemo she learned about Rick Simpson oil and began to investigate, but it was far too late. You see, she is a very private person and even though she lives in Vermont and could easily get a medical marijuana card and grow her own bud, she won't do it because she doesn't want to be put on some "government list somewhere." This type of thinking assumes she's going to live long enough for that to be a problem.

So I considered getting my caregiver license and growing it for her, but I was dismayed when I read this thread and learned how much it would take to produce a small amount of the oil. She certainly can't afford to buy a QP of good bud and now of course I have moved to Barcelona where I can't grow for her anyway. (She worked with disabled people most of her life and badly damaged her wrists and cannot physically do the work needed to grow correctly.)

So, I know this is might be a ridiculous question, but is it reasonably possible to make oil with commercial brick weed? I mean, I can get a pound in Juarez for less than $400. ***In theory***, if I were to process this type of weed for its oil, would it be worth it? Based on the OPs description of the potency I am beginning to think it might work. After all, I used to smoked that shit and it got me high even when I typically only smoke dank. Therefore, it has a fair enough THC content. I'd say probably 7%-9%.

So my ultimate question is this: at what THC% is producing *medically effective* oil no longer reasonable?

[GrowGoddess]

My mother is rapidly dying of triple negative breast cancer. She has been a lifelong pot smoker and when she was diagnosed she panicked and intensely researched nearly every purported cure and treatment out there. (She is an excellent researcher) She eventually settled on getting treated at Dana-Farber at a ridiculous expense. 8 months of chemo followed by months of radiation and her likelihood of survival is still pretty dim.

As she started chemo she learned about Rick Simpson oil and began to investigate, but it was far too late. You see, she is a very private person and even though she lives in Vermont and could easily get a medical marijuana card and grow her own bud, she won't do it because she doesn't want to be put on some "government list somewhere." This type of thinking assumes she's going to live long enough for that to be a problem.

So I considered getting my caregiver license and growing it for her, but I was dismayed when I read this thread and learned how much it would take to produce a small amount of the oil. She certainly can't afford to buy a QP of good bud and now of course I have moved to Barcelona where I can't grow for her anyway. (She worked with disabled people most of her life and badly damaged her wrists and cannot physically do the work needed to grow correctly.)

So, I know this is might be a ridiculous question, but is it reasonably possible to make oil with commercial brick weed? I mean, I can get a pound in Juarez for less than $400. ***In theory***, if I were to process this type of weed for its oil, would it be worth it? Based on the OPs description of the potency I am beginning to think it might work. After all, I used to smoked that shit and it got me high even when I typically only smoke dank. Therefore, it has a fair enough THC content. I'd say probably 7%-9%.

So my ultimate question is this: at what THC% is producing *medically effective* oil no longer reasonable?

I cannot say for sure if the commercial brick would be adequate. What I do know is that the better the potency of the bud, the better. If that is your only option, give it a try. Try to get the best commercials you can find. I can say this. Most of the oil out there is made of small popcorn buds and leaf material. So using quality brick weed may do the trick. I wouldn't recommend it, but if that is your only option, I would choose that over chemo if it were me. It may require to consume more of the oil. Some people have a great reaction to the oil and they become cancer free easily, with a lower quality oil. Others, it is very difficult. 6 months minimum of taking top grade oil one gram per day. I am sure in some cases it may require a year. I would give the brick weed a try if that is your only option.

[GrowGoddess]

Came across this article the other day. At the bottom of the article there are more links. As far as I am concerned, the government and pharmaceutical companies are poison pushers, liars, and cheaters. They take information, cherry pick, and turn it into only what they want us to see. This is very common these days and seems like it is going on with everything.

Cancer Industry Exposed as Fraud “The Science is False” | Collective-Evolution (http://www.collective-evolution.com/2012/04/21/cancer-industry-exposed-as-fraud-the-science-is-false/)

[kwilal]

Been a few months since I posted here. Nothing bugs me like folks who post a story about someone starting the Simpson Oil and then never giving an update as to progress or failure. Anyway, thanks WKRMN on your fathers update, saying a prayer for him. Let's see if I can keep this short & sweet, a Reader's Digest condensed version if you will.
August 2012 I get the news I've got pancreatic cancer.
September 2012 Got my guts removed with a Whipple Procedure which supposedly increased my 3-year survival rate from 6% to 20%.
December 2012-February 2013 Chemo & radiation. They left the chemo port in my chest, said they'd need it when they came back with more chemo this summer.
March 2013 rolls around and a guy I know ask me if I'm familiar with Simpson Oil. Check it out on the computer when I get home and figure I've got nothing to lose. This guy has a license in Michigan to grow pot legally and turns me on to a 10ml syringe full of this Simpson Oil. Looks, smells and taste like the bottom of an ashtray. Thick & sticky. Start taking it the beginning of May, eat about a ML (or gram) a day. The CT scan I had in April showed a few things still going on down there. I take the Simpson Oil every day while trying to educate myself on it.
July 2013 rolls around and we do another scan, somebody messed something up (or did they?) because the Doc (oncologist) was having a hard time trying to understand what they had written in the report. Doc gets pissed and decides we'll just do another scan in 2 months.
August 2013 I bought a rice cooker and coffee cup warmer (thanks for the recommendations, Growgoddess) and made my own using 99% ISO from Amazon, turned out fine.
Early October 2013 brings around another scan. Went to see the Doc last week for results (5 1/2 month mark for the Oil) and he's happy as hell. If you knew the Doc you'd know he ain't a happy kind of guy. He tells me it appears things are shrinking and for the first time in 15 months mentions the word remission. Says all my numbers are great. I haven't told him yet about the medical marijuana I've been doing, haven't decided if I ever will.
Is pot curing me? I don't know. It's still too early to tell and no one could have an intelligent answer based on one scan. Maybe it's the pot, maybe it's the holy water my sister buys me from Lourdes, maybe it's all the vitamins & supplements I've been taking, maybe it's the prayers. Hell, maybe it's all of them combined. All I know is that I'm getting better while fighting a disease that took my grandmother and now wants me. For the first time since this ordeal started I feel like there may be hope. A chance hit on a Googled website brought me to Cannibis.com and here, Growgoddess's post. The things I have learned may save my life, I surely hope so, and for that I thank all of you who have posted here.
So, that's where we stand today. Now that I've talked your ear off, it's time for another question. How much longer should I continue this regimen until I cut back to a maintenance dose? The main reason I'm asking is I've been off work since August 2012 and found out after 18 months it's in the contract that we lose our seniority. Don't want to lose that as I've been there 31 years. Not sure if it would lead to being dismissed (and losing my insurance) as no one has ever been out that long. Anyway, I figured I'd just keep doing the Oil until the end of December (another 2 months) then dry out for a month so I could take a return to work physical and hopefully pass a piss test. This would get me back before my end-of-February deadline. Ideally I'd like to stay on it full time until the next scan but I guess 2 months is better than nothing. Any input from Growgoddess and the rest of you would be appreciated. Thanks again for all you've done.
Ken

[GrowGoddess]

Ken, thank you so much for sharing your story with us!
I understand your predicament. This is just my opinion, but, I might see if the doc would do another scan before you decide to "dry out" and see how things are going. I had a patient that stopped taking just his maintenance doses and his cancer returned. He then had to start the full gram per day doses for a few months before the tumors shrunk away again. He has vowed to never stop taking maintenance doses and all has been well since. He is a lightweight and it was hard for him to work and take the oil, even maintenance doses.
I am a woman of faith and I believe that God has played a part in your recovery. I would recommend to you to pray about it and do what your heart tells you to do. That really stinks that you have to take a return to work physical and have to take a drug test as well.
My heart goes out to you. Peace and God bless.
We will pray for you.

[LBBill]

I do not want to hijack a thread but I thought this was the appropriate place to post this. My brother has been taking RSO for 3 weeks. We made Canna Caps from the RSO with coconut oil. He has liver cancer which has metastisized to tumors on his spine which is causing severe pain and difficulty walking. The weird thing is that for the last 6 months, there has been absolutely no cancer on his liver. Been through the radiation/Chemo/surgery multiple times and at this point, the doctors are unsure where to go from here. He is still at the smallest dose and is not building up any tolerance. Totally stoned all day every day. He is starting to get discouraged as he wants to start increasing dosages. He tried increasing last week but the effects were just too strong. Has anyone gone through a similar experience as far as building up tolerance? Thanks

[GrowGoddess]

I do not want to hijack a thread but I thought this was the appropriate place to post this. My brother has been taking RSO for 3 weeks. We made Canna Caps from the RSO with coconut oil. He has liver cancer which has metastisized to tumors on his spine which is causing severe pain and difficulty walking. The weird thing is that for the last 6 months, there has been absolutely no cancer on his liver. Been through the radiation/Chemo/surgery multiple times and at this point, the doctors are unsure where to go from here. He is still at the smallest dose and is not building up any tolerance. Totally stoned all day every day. He is starting to get discouraged as he wants to start increasing dosages. He tried increasing last week but the effects were just too strong. Has anyone gone through a similar experience as far as building up tolerance? Thanks

Yes, it is normal. It can take up to six weeks, sometimes more.

[GrowGoddess]

I see articles and video testimonies come across my facebook quite often regarding success with cannabis oil. Here are a couple of them.

I copied the text from a news link story I read. I was unsure about posting the link.



10-year-old is seizure-free after one year of cannabis oil
That's some pot
by Joshua Hutton, Colorado Springs Independent
Amid the sounds of children laughing as they bounce and roll down a giant, red inflatable slide, a crowd of more than 150 gathers, making a half-circle around Heather Jackson.

"I want to thank you all so much for coming," Jackson says. "There are some of you I don't even know â?? which is awesome. Again, thank you for coming out and helping us celebrate Zaki's first seizure-free year."

The crowd applauds. Zaki, Jackson's 10-year-old son, emerges from the crowd, smiling. His brow gleams from a light sweat, joyfully earned on the inflatable playground at Jump-N-Jacks, an indoor play facility on North Academy Boulevard. His mother puts one arm on his shoulder and fans him with a Realm of Caring laminated fact sheet.

He is normal. He is fine.

One year earlier, Mrs. Jackson sat with a friend who worked in hospice care, asking for advice concerning the next treatment for Zaki's Doose syndrome, a form of epilepsy found early in childhood. There is no known cause, and the condition is often unresponsive to medication.

Zaki's seizures began when he was 4 months old. At what his mother calls his "deepest valley," he experienced thousands per day. A 2008 electroencephalography reading revealed more than 200 per hour. To combat this, the child underwent 17 different pharmaceutical treatments â?? all of which failed.

As recently as May 2012, Zaki would have between 60 and 200 seizures while he slept. "They were brief, but very violent," Jackson says. "It was like someone was putting paddles to his chest. Then he began to have seizures where he would stop breathing.

"So my friend at hospice, she said to me, 'I can't tell you to try this, but there is this group of brothers who have helped treat a similar case with cannabis oil. I can't tell you to try it, but here's some phone numbers.'"

The brothers â?? Josh, Jordan, Jesse, Joel, Jon and Jared Stanley, cannabis growers and founders of Realm of Caring â?? created a strain of cannabis containing minimal THC, the psychoactive ingredient, and very high levels of cannabidiol (CBD), the ingredient considered to provide the most medicinal benefits.

At Zaki's party, Josh Stanley explains: "We were reading these studies in Israel from the '70s, '80s, and '90s â?? studies where they saw positive results on lab mice using high-CBD strains. So we decided to give it a try, originally focusing on aiding cancer patients. It was by luck that we discovered it could be so beneficial to those suffering from seizures."

The "luck" came when Paige Figi contacted the Stanley brothers. She had read about high-CBD oils used to treat epilepsy in California. Her 6-year-old daughter, Charlotte, suffers from Dravet syndrome, and she was willing to try anything. The cannabis oil so helped Charlotte, they renamed the strain in her honor: Charlotte's Web, of which Zaki takes 300 mg every day.

Realm of Caring's 501(c)3 status is pending, but the Colorado Springs foundation hopes to become a nonprofit that can make alternate treatment affordable for families in need. Meanwhile, back at the party, Jackson announces that Zaki's last clinical seizure took place Oct. 3, 2012. Her husband, Frank Jackson, presents the Stanley brothers with a wooden sign, which reads "Zaki's Garden" at the top and "Thank you for my first seizure-free year" at the bottom.

Zaki moves past his mother's arm, shuffles through the crowd, and speeds toward an inflatable ship as a few friends follow close behind.

Here is a YouTube Video about RSO helping a young man with leukemia.
CANNABIS HEALS LEUKEMIA - YouTube (http://youtu.be/HU46L_nNKXM)

[painretreat]

I do not want to hijack a thread but I thought this was the appropriate place to post this. My brother has been taking RSO for 3 weeks. We made Canna Caps from the RSO with coconut oil. He has liver cancer which has metastisized to tumors on his spine which is causing severe pain and difficulty walking. The weird thing is that for the last 6 months, there has been absolutely no cancer on his liver. Been through the radiation/Chemo/surgery multiple times and at this point, the doctors are unsure where to go from here. He is still at the smallest dose and is not building up any tolerance. Totally stoned all day every day. He is starting to get discouraged as he wants to start increasing dosages. He tried increasing last week but the effects were just too strong. Has anyone gone through a similar experience as far as building up tolerance? Thanks

Perhaps this may help a little. I have a little personal practice with rso and disease, mine! IF it were me and not your brother, I'd take a very large dose in the late evening and sleep well all night. If the effects were too much, I'd simply take prescription meds to alter the side-effects of the rso! Fighting a disease, takes all the resources available to one!

TOU here do not allow discussing other meds; you might want to 'google' phrase's or words regarding medications and high's with cannabis or, similar terms. Most likely, you'll find a site that supports the use other prescription drugs that help for a total medical arsenal and care of your brother.

Good luck on your journey and please do post results here? :rasta: pr

[Weezard]

I think the increase in tolerance requires a healthy liver.
Your brother's is the third case I have read that is unable to ramp up the dosage.
All had a compromised liver function.
The good news is, the active ingredients stay in the body at a higher level, for a longer time.
That's why he feels so stoned. Kind of a "cheap drunk" thing.
It should be as effective as a larger dosage is in a person with normal liver function.

At least that's my take on it.
I am NOT a doctor.

Aloha,
Weezard

[LBBill]

I think the increase in tolerance requires a healthy liver.
Your brother's is the third case I have read that is unable to ramp up the dosage.
All had a compromised liver function.
The good news is, the active ingredients stay in the body at a higher level, for a longer time.
That's why he feels so stoned. Kind of a "cheap drunk" thing.
It should be as effective as a larger dosage is in a person with normal liver function.

At least that's my take on it.
I am NOT a doctor.

Aloha,
Weezard

I don't know the actual health of his liver at this time but what you say does make sense. If the liver is compromised it only seems logical that the active ingredients are not being processed and flushed out effectively. The other challenge may be the oil. All I had was high THC strains available to make the oil with. In January, I will have some CBD Crew 1:1 strains made available to me. Lower THC and higher CBD content. Hopefully these will be much more tolerable and the addition of the high CBD will be more beneficial.

The caps I have been making him have approximately 15.5mg of pure extract reconstituted in coconut oil. This equates to around 1/64gm of extract. At this dosage, he does get stoned but says it's highly tolerable. I made some other caps at 25mg and he said he cannot even watch TV when taking them. I am assuming that continuing even at the smaller doses is better than stopping. I will be making him some more of the lower dose caps until the high CBD materials become available.

On the good side, he does mention that his pain lessens when medicating with the caps. He is able to cut his pain meds in half.

[GrowGoddess]

Not really sure why some people can build up a tolerance quickly and most cannot. I suppose the liver could have something to do with it. Going through the RSO procedure is not easily done. It will be difficult. I prefer using a full spectrum of strains, and those strains are mostly high THC. If I were to focus on adding a high CBD strain, I think I would choose Tora Bora. I have seen a lot of test results on that strain and it is very high in CBD.

[GrowGoddess]

It has almost been one year since I treated my second cancer patient. The doctors guaranteed him that he would surely be dead before Christmas 2013 if he did not go through chemo and radiation.

Less than three weeks to go and it will be Christmas 2013 and he is very much alive and doing fine! Back to a normal life as if all the cancer crap never happened.

Here is a statement from his fiance.

November 16, 2013:
Day 16: sitting here on the sofa at ****'s thanking God/the stars/Karma/RSO/whoever that he is okay-watching him drink his coffee and surf like the last year never happened... â?? feeling happy.

Pretty darn cool! Makes me feel very happy to read this and to have been a part of it.

[Weezard]

We had dinner with our ALS patient last night.
What a remarkable person.
Teaches history the right way, actual facts and the actual reasons behind global conflicts.
His student understand the BIG LIE and all the other dodges.
The kind of teacher we can not afford to lose!

It's a pleasure to sit and discuss most anything with him, and his lovely wife.
He's been oiling with RSO for about 2 months.

He was not doing well when he started.
The improvement is amazing!

The sparkling grin they both had when telling us about the doctor's face, was priceless.
Doc kept holding out his hands like he was handing him a plate and saying, "you don't have ALS".
Then he'd look at the paperwork and say, "you do have ALS".
Then look up and hold out his hands and say, "you don't have ALS".
Then look at the papers and shake his head like his hair was wet, and say, "but you do have ALS".

His gait was a shuffle, now he walks almost normally.
He was unable to hold his head up, was always watching his shoes.
Now, he can look tall people straight in the eye without peering through bushy eyebrows. :D

So, we had a very thankful, post-thanksgiving dinner.
Hope y'all did too.

Aloha,
Weezard

[thenewgrow]

so let's say i know a old moon shiner that make's some real clean alcohol . then that would be better to extract your bud's in then iso ?

i am just trying to learn sorry if i ask stupidly, i am just trying to understand

[Weezard]

so let's say i know a old moon shiner that make's some real clean alcohol . then that would be better to extract your bud's in then iso ?

i am just trying to learn sorry if i ask stupidly, i am just trying to understand

Better?

Well, Iso is a more aggressive solvent, but Ethanol is a bit safer to ingest and adequate to the task.

Nice thing about Ethanol is, it's easy to recover and becomes more concentrated with each run.

Keep in mind that anything over 80 proof, (40%), is flammable.
Those flames are all but invisible in daylight.
Have a fire extinguisher, and a couple wet towels close at hand, use reasonable care, and plan ahead.

Asking before doing shows that you are not stupid.
Being well prepared shows that you're smart and careful.:thumbsup:

Good luck and I'll be happy to assist.

Aloha,
Weeze

[thenewgrow]

so the old man i know have done this all his life he has told stories from when he was small and learned it from his grand father and father :) ( he is a cool guy :) ) he make moon shine like 89+ % pure :) and i was just thinking that that was better then the use of Iso :) but idk that was why i asked :) but thanks for the the time weeze :)
you are always around to help out guys like me the bedst way you can :thumbsup: keep it up :D

[GrowGoddess]

so the old man i know have done this all his life he has told stories from when he was small and learned it from his grand father and father :) ( he is a cool guy :) ) he make moon shine like 89+ % pure :) and i was just thinking that that was better then the use of Iso :) but idk that was why i asked :) but thanks for the the time weeze :)
you are always around to help out guys like me the bedst way you can :thumbsup: keep it up :D

I don't know much about using moonshine and can't offer any recommendation. I have heard both good and bad experiences with it.

Soon I should be able to offer an opinion on grain alcohol vs 99% iso. I will be getting some 190 proof Everclear. I will be doing a comparison soon. I will be making QWISO hash though, but it is better than nothing.

Here is an iso extraction of QWISO hash. It is great for smoking or vaporizing. It is not for ingesting like RSO is. I like it a lot for vaporizing in my e-cigarettes. RSO does offer more flavor. Really, it all comes down to personal preference.

QWISO test run. Triple rinse without the heat that RSO requires, the oil comes out cleaner looking. Only good for smoking or vaporizing.
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[thenewgrow]

thanks for your time man :) You are a great inspiration to me :) i look up to guys like you :) i think what you guys do is Really Really great :) and we can only wish for more of you guys :thumbsup:

keep it up pleas you guys save lots of lots of great people and save them from allot of pain's :thumbsup:

im only 19

and this is what i will use allot of time on to learn as much as I can :) for the next 15-25 years :) and then i will start learning people how to do it :)

and to be honest I think that this is Really kind of important for the future against cancer. we just need it to fizzle and in with governments around the world and The doctors.

Pills can not do everything. that's what they do not understand.

it's a shame violated I

[GrowGoddess]

Today I would like to share with you an updated video testimony of my first cancer patient. I did not record this video. My cancer patient informed me that it was going to be recorded. His new video testimony was added to his first testimony from a year ago. I am not involved with the organization that recorded the video. I do correspond with them online here and there, but otherwise we have no direct ties. I am not involved with any group, I am for the people and I like to share my experience with others.

I would like to state that I am not posting this video link as an endorsement of the group that produced the video. I am only posting this link because it is a video testimony about how cannabis oil or RSO worked for my patient. My patient that I legally treated under the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act.

Joe began his journey with RSO in 2011. So now it has been two years since he began the RSO treatment. I believe I mentioned previously that at one point he stopped taking maintenance doses and it seemed then that his cancer came back. He immediately started taking the oil again. By the time he made an appointment to see his doctor the tumors had shrank away and a scan confirmed he was cancer free. There is no evidence from the doctors since 2011 that his cancer ever returned as far as I know. I 100% trust Joe's opinion that his cancer was returning, if anyone would know it would be him after having dealt with the disease for more than 10 years. I don't trust scans and tests much anymore anyway, google it and see for yourself. False positives, false negatives, just utter inaccuracies all around.

As you can see in the video, Joe makes it very clear that everyone should continue taking the maintenance doses, especially after the stressful scary experience he went through. I must agree with him. Probably everyone should take maintenance size doses due to the toxic environment we now live in.

This is just my opinion, I am not a professional, I am not a scientist. This is just the way I see it. My life has been very busy and it has been hard. Maybe in the future I will have the opportunity to do a video of my own with my two cancer patients to help show people that this is real. I make no promises to anyone. I am just sharing my experience. Two cancer patients in a row, cancer free at no cost to them. At this point, each patient is now supplying themselves with the oil all on their own. Of course, if they needed help, I would do my best to do so. I give the glory to God.

I strongly recommend using the best buds possible, highest potency in THC. That is how I did it.

If you are a cancer patient, are not convinced, would like some spiritual support, or just have questions, please feel free to contact Joe Crowe on FB. He is more than happy to answer any questions you may have. He is also a minister.

Joe Crowe - A year later, STILL cancer free! - YouTube (http://youtu.be/-spOVv8EobU)

[thenewgrow]

it is awesome :D you have to learn me how to make this some day you got the time :) and i got some high potency bud's in THC :)

--peace--

[GrowGoddess]

it is awesome :D you have to learn me how to make this some day you got the time :) and i got some high potency bud's in THC :)

--peace--

Take a look back at page 4, post #83. You have high potency bud, you can make the oil. You don't have to go with the RSO if you are just using it for aches and pains. You can simply make QWISO hash. High potency bud is the whole trick and patience while making the oil. If you choose to make the RSO, plan on a whole day. I don't consider my RSO to be fully finished until it has been stored for about 6-8 weeks. QWISO hash I consider that more like 24-72 hours and you can begin smoking or vaping it. I don't consider QWISO to be good for a major illness though, that is where RSO would be best. Vaporizing QWISO or RSO is perfect for replacing any smoking needs. Like for back pain, stress relief, sleeping aid, etc. I have only made QWISO one time so far and it worked great with my vaporizing techniques. It is different than RSO, but that is a matter of personal preference. I think I like them mixed 50/50, at least for now.

Here are a couple of pictures of the QWISO I made. I did a triple wash. Maybe next time I will do a double.

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When you decide to make some oil yourself, just be sure to follow the directions. Safety is the most important, quality is second. Make sure you have all of the correct materials before beginning.

Good luck! I am sure you will do fine.

From my experience, oil is the way to go. Whether it be for recreation or medicinal use, oil is the way to go.

[GrowGoddess]

Now here is a perfect example about the oil having an inconvenient side effect. A little too much and you have a little bit of short term memory loss. Maybe even a little mid-term memory loss!!

I have been testing a lot of oil lately for experimental purposes and I just realized I posted the same QWISO pictures. I don't even remember posting them in the first place! LOL

If you are going through the oil program, you will be lucky to remember to take out the trash on the right day.... What day is it anyway????

As you get used to it, and with maintenance doses, those issues are manageable. It is not that I have increased my maintenance doses, I have just been consuming a lot more with testing the QWISO and all in my vaporizers. I never experienced any memory issues until I started taking RSO.

Just got to laugh at yourself sometimes, it is healthy, really.

Doing some more testing, sipping on a fresh cuppa coffee, and jamming Christmas music.

:thumbsup:

[CaptainOrganicsCO]

It's good work you're doing. Seems like Simpson oil, it's real medicinal value, could be the straw that breaks the camels back in regards to federal drug policy.

[GrowGoddess]

I have shown a lot of oil pictures and pictures of vaporizers.

Here are the pictures of the cannabis I use to make the oils. Some are old, others are new.

When I make oil I only use the cream of the crop buds. I truly believe the most medicinal values are contained in the premium buds. The most medicinal CBDs and such. This is just my opinion. However, Rick Simpson also agrees.

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[GrowGoddess]

Here are some more

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[GrowGoddess]

okay, so I have a few more. Can only put 7 images per post.

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Premium buds make premium oil. This is the material I have been making my oils with and have had a lot of good luck.

[CaptainOrganicsCO]

I don't live in MI anymore but if I did I would shoot for some outdoor that looked like yours, really awesome and really organic looking weed! Very nice. :)
Thanks for sharing the pics with us, I think patients would be lucky to have a caregiver as dedicated as yourself. I would imagine more medicinal help comes from making those premo buds into oils, and much less profit. Can tell where your focus is. That's cool too....

[MedicallyMotivated]

Hello all...I'm new and very uneducated about medical marijuana, but I need help for my husband. I am literally making myself sick trying to learn about, figure out, find a way, to either make this oil myself, or what would be the next best option. GrowGoddess ~ Your posts/information are what caused me to join this forum, as you sure look to be very knowledgeable about everything MM. Others do as well, and I would want a conversation with anyone who could help us. Is it ok to ask here on the thread to have a private conversation with you GrowGoddess? I tried to look for PM options, but did not see how to do that. I hope I haven't broken any forum rules right off the bat. I'm desperate to have specific questions answered, but just embarrassed by my ignorance, and my experience thus far (of hoping that my husband can at least try the rso) has been to take two steps forward, only to be pushed back ten! It is beyond frustrating. Please respond and tell me how to get my questions answered. Thank you to anyone who replies.

[Weezard]

Sorry to state that this board has no PMs.
The only way to pass a short message is through the rep. system. (Those tiny scales,lower left).
It's not really private, and you get one shot at it, then have to wait quite a while before you can do it again.

And you can't post useful links to anywhere, that's against the rules.
Most of the highly talented members have either been banned, or moved to boards that are fully functional.
There are many good boards that are fully functional.
(Find them easily, just google "Weezard", or "Graywolf" , etc.)

This board has been purposely crippled by the management.
Dunno why, they must have their reasons.

I understand your frustration.
We all feel it.
I'd kvetch about it, if I had a right to.
But.
There is no fee, membership is free.
I stay for the archives, the nostalgia, and a few old friends.

All that said, go ahead and start a thread.
The information you seek need not be private.
Good medical information needs to be shared with as many eyes as possible.

"I'm desperate to have specific questions answered"

If your questions don't involve personal information, quest away, we are happy to help.

I do strongly recommend making your own oil, if you have the time it takes to set that up.
If not, contact me elsewhere and we'll see what needs to be done.

Meanwhile:
Gather, and sanitize, the information that we will need to help you.
Approximate location, specific illness, present treatment, etc.

I know what you are going through just by watching my dear wife.
I'm the "husband in trouble", here, but it's much harder on her.
Just cracks my heart to see her worry.

How can we help?

Aloha,
Weezard

[GrowGoddess]

MedicallyMotivated

I do not sell oil but am more than happy to answer any questions you have.

Like Weezard said, you can pretty much do a google search and find us in many different places. I am GrowGoddess Michigan on Facebook and Grow Goddess or GrowGoddess elsewhere. You will know it is me by my owl picture.

There are many helpful folks here, Weezard being one of them. Feel free to ask any questions you may have, we are here to help.

[MedicallyMotivated]

Thank you so much for replying GrowGoddess....I guess I could ask my question here about Michigan's rules/policies, as others may have the same one. I already know you have to be a resident of Michigan to become a patient of MM, correct? I suppose my question to you is, if my husband can accomplish this, (by moving in with a friend), could you THEN treat him specifically with the rso? Because I'm so used to getting my hopes up, just to be disappointed, I'm already anticipating that you're going to tell me there are all kinds of hoops to jump through and red tape to get through. Thought I would ask anyway. Thank you for letting me know where else you can be reached. I appreciate that, and your willingness to help whatever way you can.

[MedicallyMotivated]

I replied to your post Weezard, and now cannot find my reply!! Darn it all....please tell me if YOU can see it? I'll have to respond again..if not. smh

[MedicallyMotivated]

Great...I spent 20 minutes on my reply to you Weezard, and it is not here. I started by saying your post brought tears to my eyes....simply because you "get" what we are going through. Sounds like your wife also gets it..but it's a horrible feeling when all you do is worry and stress all day and night. It's so counterproductive and draining. Anyway, I'm having trouble recalling exactly what my first reply said, so I'll just say now that I will definitely try to find you elsewhere in order to have that private conversation...just because my mind is already on information overload, and I need to keep it simple, direct and focused. I hope you understand. At this point, all I can hope for is that kind and sympathetic people such as yourself and GG, will guide me in the right direction. My goal IS to make the oil myself, but I've already ran into problems with that, and I did consider posting about that, (in order to possibly help someone else) and if you recommend I do ask about the problem, I will. My energy and focus is limited, and I can only concentrate on the problem one emotion at a time...if that makes ANY sense to you at all. Thank you so much for replying at all Weezard. I'm going to try and keep my username the same if I can find you elsewhere, so you will know who it is....

[Weezard]

"My energy and focus is limited, and I can only concentrate on the problem one emotion at a time...if that makes ANY sense to you at all."

More than most my friend.
Am there. Doing that.

Here's what I advise myself, several times a day.
When I start to feel that everybody and everything is extremely irritating.
And feelings of rage start to bubble and churn.

It's not really anger.
It's displaced feelings of helplessness.

We are not helpless, just haven't found what we CAN do.
I've done what I can to address my problems.
With some success. :)

You seem to have a grip on that part.
I can see you working on it.
It gets frustrating, yah?

That's when this:

"I did consider posting about that, (in order to possibly help someone else)"

Helps enormously!
It's a positive, human coping mechanism.
My efforts to help others are actually quite selfish, psychologically.

We're not powerless if we can empower someone else.
In order to do so, I need to research and experiment.
(It' fits my talents and abilities. )
I get lost in it for hours. :)

What I learn, I share.
Now let me go find you on a more functional board.

Aloha, nui,
Wee

[Weezard]

I replied to your post Weezard, and now cannot find my reply!! Darn it all....please tell me if YOU can see it? I'll have to respond again..if not. smh

Happened to me many times here, but only to long, inspired, posts that I was proud of. :(

Got in the habit of doing a Control-C after each paragraph.

Check your reputation comments.

Aloha,
Wee

[Maja]

I really need some help!
The story is.... my husband has malignant melanoma stage 4. Started on the scalp and went down to lymph nodes on the neck and chest, then lungs and liver. (Liver is badly affected).
He's taking the RSO for a month. From the start he has taken large doses, and in 7 days he was ingesting a gram daily. The symptoms were at first heavy sleeping, increase in appetite, redness of the eyeballs, loss of memory, etc. That started to slowly fade away but then he started to burp heavily, and to vomit every 2 days. Lost his appetite and started to vomit every day, sometimes after taking his dose and sometimes when he woke up. The situation got worse. Today he vomited 6-7 times and can't take his dose anymore because of the constant nausea and frequent vomiting. He feels very bad. So in your experience could it be that he is having something called cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome?
What can we do to stop this?
Please help me!

[Weezard]

"So in your experience could it be that he is having something called cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome?"

I doubt that.
Cannabis is an excellent anti-emetic.
It is used to treat nausea and vomiting albeit in much smaller doses.

As I understand it, these are symptoms of the loss of hepatic function.
The fact that the symptoms persist after cessation of medication, point that way.

You need to get some water and nourishment in him right away,
Probably by IV drip.

I am not a doctor, so please seek competent medical advice, stat!

Aloha and sympathy

Weezard

[GrowGoddess]

Maja:
Just my opinion, but it sounds like the oil may be loaded with chlorophyll. Possibly made with a lot of leaf material. That is not good. What makes me say that is you mentioned burping. I have heard similar issues from other patients.

Sounds like low grade oil. That is one big reason why I always recommend making your own oil whether you grow your own or purchase the buds. It is easy to make.

Unfortunately it is difficult to trust others to provide good oil and that makes us good folks look bad. It also makes RSO look bad.

[Weezard]

I would also look into the oil, what solvent was used in extraction, was it fully purged?

Iso, and Naphtha will both cause belching, with a distinctive taste and odor.
Acetone as well.
Is there an odor?

The reason I ask, is serial vomiting is very unusual with cannabis and cannabis extracts.
Chlorophyll is minor, and seldom more than nauseating.
But un-purged solvents for a person with compromised hepatic function, can be deadly!

Smell the oil, smell the belch, act accordingly.

Just a wild guess, I am not a physician or a chemist.

Aloha,

Weezard

[painretreat]

:thumbsup:Over 92,000 views and it ain't a stickie, yet???:wtf3: pr

[kwilal]

Been a few months since I posted here. Nothing bugs me like folks who post a story about someone starting the Simpson Oil and then never giving an update as to progress or failure. Anyway, thanks WKRMN on your fathers update, saying a prayer for him. Let's see if I can keep this short & sweet, a Reader's Digest condensed version if you will.
August 2012 I get the news I've got pancreatic cancer.
September 2012 Got my guts removed with a Whipple Procedure which supposedly increased my 3-year survival rate from 6% to 20%.
December 2012-February 2013 Chemo & radiation. They left the chemo port in my chest, said they'd need it when they came back with more chemo this summer.
March 2013 rolls around and a guy I know ask me if I'm familiar with Simpson Oil. Check it out on the computer when I get home and figure I've got nothing to lose. This guy has a license in Michigan to grow pot legally and turns me on to a 10ml syringe full of this Simpson Oil. Looks, smells and taste like the bottom of an ashtray. Thick & sticky. Start taking it the beginning of May, eat about a ML (or gram) a day. The CT scan I had in April showed a few things still going on down there. I take the Simpson Oil every day while trying to educate myself on it.
July 2013 rolls around and we do another scan, somebody messed something up (or did they?) because the Doc (oncologist) was having a hard time trying to understand what they had written in the report. Doc gets pissed and decides we'll just do another scan in 2 months.
August 2013 I bought a rice cooker and coffee cup warmer (thanks for the recommendations, Growgoddess) and made my own using 99% ISO from Amazon, turned out fine.
Early October 2013 brings around another scan. Went to see the Doc last week for results (5 1/2 month mark for the Oil) and he's happy as hell. If you knew the Doc you'd know he ain't a happy kind of guy. He tells me it appears things are shrinking and for the first time in 15 months mentions the word remission. Says all my numbers are great. I haven't told him yet about the medical marijuana I've been doing, haven't decided if I ever will.
Is pot curing me? I don't know. It's still too early to tell and no one could have an intelligent answer based on one scan. Maybe it's the pot, maybe it's the holy water my sister buys me from Lourdes, maybe it's all the vitamins & supplements I've been taking, maybe it's the prayers. Hell, maybe it's all of them combined. All I know is that I'm getting better while fighting a disease that took my grandmother and now wants me. For the first time since this ordeal started I feel like there may be hope. A chance hit on a Googled website brought me to Cannibis.com and here, Growgoddess's post. The things I have learned may save my life, I surely hope so, and for that I thank all of you who have posted here.
So, that's where we stand today. Now that I've talked your ear off, it's time for another question. How much longer should I continue this regimen until I cut back to a maintenance dose? The main reason I'm asking is I've been off work since August 2012 and found out after 18 months it's in the contract that we lose our seniority. Don't want to lose that as I've been there 31 years. Not sure if it would lead to being dismissed (and losing my insurance) as no one has ever been out that long. Anyway, I figured I'd just keep doing the Oil until the end of December (another 2 months) then dry out for a month so I could take a return to work physical and hopefully pass a piss test. This would get me back before my end-of-February deadline. Ideally I'd like to stay on it full time until the next scan but I guess 2 months is better than nothing. Any input from Growgoddess and the rest of you would be appreciated. Thanks again for all you've done.
Ken

Well, it's been two months since I last posted and thought I'd give a minor update. While there is plenty of feedback on how to make RSO in this thread there's not much input from those who are actually taking it. Last night was my final (hopefully) regular dose of RSO, as of now I will just be on maintenance doses. Looking back at it now it's hard to believe I've been doing RSO for almost 8 months straight. What started out as a controllable high 8 months ago has turned into a real chore at the end. I started taking RSO about 9PM when I started, it made for a great night's sleep and I found myself waking 12 hours or so later. As time went on things would slowly change. Falling asleep at 9PM would drag out until midnight or later. Waking up around 6AM became the new norm. My appetite during all this has been spotty, some days I want to pig out, others I don't eat at all. I went from 250# down to 175# after the operation, can't say the RSO ever increased or decreased my appetite. One thing that did change during the RSO use was how I handle food intake. I feel great in the morning and I'm usually hungry when I awake, so I eat. Since the operation removed half my stomach meals are usually smaller and more frequent. About 4 months ago I started getting stomach pains about 4PM every afternoon. These got to be quite intense after awhile and the pain would be unbearable, usually going away after taking a Norco or Vicodin. This was usually shared with extreme bouts of gas. Passing gas would bring some relief but after a couple weeks I found out that if I ate something the pain would go away for a few hours. Sounds easy enough but if you've ever tried to eat when experiencing a stomach ache it's damn near impossible. Doc says I have a mild case of anorexia, hope I lose it as I'd like to put a few pounds on. I'm hoping the pains may have been from the RSO and maybe something to do with chlorophyll or something. Guess I'll find out soon enough.
Anxiety attacks and panic attacks became a reality about 2 months ago. Watching TV I'd see something funny and laugh my ass off, 5 minutes later something sad would appear and the tears would flow. These were emotions that would have never surfaced in the past, I'm a biker, not an emotional guy. Now for the worse part of this whole thing, the short term memory loss. I've pretty much turned into a friggin' zombie. The clock on the wall needs a new battery but I found that if I set the hands forward manually it'll start again for a few more days. This has been going on since Halloween. I know it'll only take 10 minutes to open it up and change it but I just can't bring myself around to doing it. Dishes in the sink have been there just as long. 2 minute jobs take an hour. 5 minute jobs take a week. Spend 10 minutes looking for my glasses and I'm wearing them. Geez, I hope it really is short term.
The last thing I'd like to touch on is support. I would not recommend doing RSO without the support of a spouse or family. I'm a semi-private kinda guy and although this may sound selfish I don't know if I'd want to go through all this again by myself. No spouse or girlfriend in my life at this time but family checks on me once a week or so. If I had to do it again I'd definitely want someone to hold my hand through this. Just the comforting factor would be a godsend. Someone to worry about all the little things so you don't have to. The last thing I needed during all this was to be worried about paying bills and disability checks, etc. The insurance company stopped my disability checks in August, and an appeal was finally approved 3 days ago. Almost 5 months without a check, thank God for the folks. Anyway, that's about where we stand at the moment. Would I do it again? Sure, but let's hope I won't have to. I go back for another scan the first week of January, hopefully the good news will continue. I'll post again then. Thanks again for all those here who have helped me get through this. God knows it wasn't easy.
Ken

[Weezard]

Mahalo!

I do sympathize and fully agree about the support.
My wife was extremely patient through the zombie part.
Ran out of oil about a month ago and I'm just starting to "surface" now.

Kinda waiting to see if I'll be able to get away with a maintenance dose.
Checking for weight loss, etc.

Actively hunting for a full course of RSO just in case I need to go back on full dosage.
If so, want to have what I'll need for a full course, on-hand.

First 2 times, excrement occurred.
Had to go on half dosage, because of legal and economic restrictions.
Then started back on full dosage and ran out half way.
The trouble with making your own is, apparently zombies are lousy growers. :(

Been testing oil from different sources for effectiveness by applying it to visible growths.
Warts, moles, neuro-endocrine tumors, etc.
I do this because my friend with the glioma multiforma, has recently died
The RSO gave him an an "extra" year and a half of no growth.
We thought we had it knocked.

When my grow crashed, he obtained RSO from another source.
When his symptoms recurred within 2 months, I had him send me a sample.
It had no effect at all on growths that the previous oil that we had made, would remove in a week!
Now, I'm testing, labeling, and storing every scrap that I can beg or borrow until I have ~80g. of known effectiveness

Bottom line is, my PSA is still climbing.
Will have another test when medicare allows.
If, I still have a PSA reading increase, I'll have to conclude that RSO just is not effective in my case.
Not a big deal, really, at the present doubling rate, I have >10 years to look for something that is.

Dang!
Started out here wanting to share ways of coping with the zombie effect.
Post-it notes, alarm timers, hungry dogs, etc.
But, except for the dogs, it all requires an organized partner to set it up.

When my head clears a bit more, I'm thinking that making a checklist now might be a big help to us later.
Attempting that while zombified was, well, humorous.
If you're not the zombie, that is. :)

Many thanks for returning and making my month.
There's no better guide than experience, so perhaps we can work on a checklist together.
See if we can come up with a helpful "package insert".
Wish I'd had something similar going in.

Aloha,
Weezard

[PuffPuffPassDragon]

Weezard,

My thoughts and prayers are with you as well as others dealing with ca.

PPP~DRagon

[kwilal]

Hey Weez, hope it all works out for you. We are certainly being tested. Don't know what I can contribute to your checklist at this time, give me a month or so for me to find what's left of my brain. My "zombie" period peaked about 2 weeks ago when the widow lady next door called me up and asked if I could remove her broken water softener for good. Knowing my limitations during this period wasn't enough to put the job off and I figured it would take a bit of energy but all I had to do was cut two pipes and solder caps on them. This project took 5 hours and numerous trips to the hardware store. Unreal. I don't know what it is but since I've been laid up with cancer I spend the better part of the day sitting around the house, and for some reason everyone seems to think I'm more than available to do favors and projects and God-knows-what for them. I'm sure I've pissed off a few folks and family by telling them no but that's just too bad, I cannot be at your beck & call while I'm dealing with my own life & death situation. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me if I needed something done the last person I'd be hunting down for help would be someone dealing with a serious illness. Just common sense, I guess. Anyway, let's hope we all get better soon.
Ken

[Weezard]

I do know what you're on about.
Had a similar plumbing adventure here.
Half hour sweat solder job.
After 2 days, I asked for help.

Then my friends had computer issues and needed a data recovery.
I really wanted to help when asked, but just was not up to the task.

That's what irritated me.
Then I started associating the irritation with the asker.
Good way to lose friends.
Was feeling kinda grumpy until a stumbled across this little pearl;

"Insight:
last night for example i was examining/contemplating/pondering my negative reactions to a lot of the fucktard behavior being exhibited by so many ppl. i realized that the system is so fucked up that a lot of ppl are really, truly suffering from being forced to exist in the present system. i'm very possibly getting pissed off over other's injuries. maybe ppl aren't fucked up. maybe many are being injured by living in the present context and i'm reacting to injuries as if the injuries are the person. "

Guy calls himself Idiit.
Yeah, right!
Tacked this onto the end of a post in a thread called;

"What Diseases/Conditions Has Cannabis Cured Or Helped You With"

The irritation passes as you surface.
Starting to get a clear view of my microcosm.
Started cleaning up the messes I'd made that I wasn't even aware of.
I am truly blessed with patient and understanding friends and family.

Be a while before we can put something coherent together for nascent oilers.
Hell! I just tried to make a simple shopping/chore list.
Been a half hour.
Hadda take a break. :)

Came here to ramble as a form of displacement behavior.

As you can tell, I'm still pretty "scattered" after a full month off of the RSO.
Then again, this full-melt bubble hash probably isn't helping, yah? :D

Meh, I'll make a list tomorrow.
Today, we have hash. :dance:

Aloha,
Weeze the woozy

[GrowGoddess]

I don't know much about using moonshine and can't offer any recommendation. I have heard both good and bad experiences with it.

Soon I should be able to offer an opinion on grain alcohol vs 99% iso. I will be getting some 190 proof Everclear. I will be doing a comparison soon. I will be making QWISO hash though, but it is better than nothing.

Here is an iso extraction of QWISO hash. It is great for smoking or vaporizing. It is not for ingesting like RSO is. I like it a lot for vaporizing in my e-cigarettes. RSO does offer more flavor. Really, it all comes down to personal preference.

QWISO test run. Triple rinse without the heat that RSO requires, the oil comes out cleaner looking. Only good for smoking or vaporizing.
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Okay, so I made the QWISO with the 190 Everclear. For making QWISO I like the grain alcohol better. It is less fumy and more safe in my opinion.

For RSO, well, I have been taking the oil for about three years. Now that I enjoy vaporizing it too, (large quantities), I want to make the oil a little safer. It is not that expensive and you don't really lose any oil out of it, just one additional step to take in the process. I can't really afford to do a full extraction with grain alcohol, and am not so sure about those recovery systems. I just fear that they can do the oil more damage than good, not to mention that those recovery systems can be very expensive. So I have a poor man's solution, so to speak.

After making my RSO with 99% isopropyl alcohol, it is completely finished, stored in the syringes. I will just put the oil back into the purge pan and dilute it with 190 proof or stronger grain alcohol and purge the oil again. Of course I will be extra patient and delicate. Certainly do not want to cause damage to the oil. After the purge is finished, I like it to come out thicker and more concentrated without heat. I just put a coffee filter over the purge pan, hold the filter on with a rubber band and put the purge pan in a dry well ventilated area. After a couple of days I will lightly warm the oil so I can suck it back up into syringes for storage. It may take more than a couple days depending upon how dry and ventilated the area is. This is after I purge out the 190 everclear on the coffee cup warmer. So you can get the oil as concentrated as possible. It is also important for caregivers like me so we do not possess more than our limits will allow.

Knowing I am going to be using oil for the rest of my life, it makes me feel a little better knowing it was purged with grain alcohol. This is not a must or anything, just something you may want to consider.

I couldn't afford to do these experiments with RSO because it would require a lot of grain alcohol which is expensive, not to mention when I make RSO I prefer to use at the least 5 ounces of bud. I did notice when I use the grain alcohol for the QWISO that the alcohol evaporated faster than the 5% water. So the oil was kind of dry in the glass baking pan, but there was a lot of white foamy water that still needed to evaporate. So obviously if you use grain alcohol to make RSO you will not need to add water to the rice cooker at the end of the rice cooker purging stage.

In the batch of QWISO I made with the grain alcohol instead of waiting for the water to evaporate, I dilluted it with more Everclear and put it into my RSO final purge pan, applied a little heat and had a fan blowing across it. I do like QWISO or RSO repurged with Everclear. Gives me an extra peace of mind. My purpose for bringing QWISO into this thread was for comparing grain alcohol to 99% isoporpyl alcohol. If I had the resources, I would have used the grain alcohol to make RSO for the experiments/comparisons. The only other reason I decided to make QWISO was to see if the e-cigg vaporizers were capable of decarbing the THC and able to provide a good buzz or offer relief. Also, and overall comparison between RSO and QWISO for the electronic vaporizer. The end result of comparing the two is personal preference. The are each different. It is just a matter of which way you prefer it. For vaporizing, QWISO is convenient because you can make small quantities. The convenience meaning you do not have access to large quantities of buds.

Overall RSO does it all! You can eat it, you can vape it, and you can use is as a topical. RSO is the way to go!

Winterizing, I don't really recommend for treating cancer, but for using the RSO for vaporizing, you may want to winterize your oil. Winterizing is just a matter of making the oil cleaner. 190 proof or higher grain alcohol is what you want to use to winterize RSO as long as it was made from iso or grain alcohol. To winterize say RSO made from isopropyl, just dilute the RSO with 190 or higher proof grain alcohol, put it in a glass jar or something, store it in the freezer for at least three days. Pull the jar out of the freezer, run the solution through a paper coffee filter, then purge that solution. There you have your winterized oil. Just a basic simple way to do it. It is more effective with a more dirty, higher chlorophyll oil. Winterizing very clean high grade oil is really more wasteful than helpful. My only interest in winterizing is for vaporizing purposes, to improve taste and it helps the vaporizer heating coil function properly and last longer.

Here are some pictures of my QWISO run with Everclear. In the picture to the left, you can see the white foam bubbles of the water from the Everclear. If it were 99% iso, you would not get that. Not a real big deal, just takes longer to evaporate.
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Completely organic. Again, I apologize I was not able to do this with RSO. With the vaporizer mix, I added about 50% Propylene Glycol USP to the oil. I tried it out in my favorite vaporizer, innoken SVD, non decarbed oil, and it is awesome. My first time using only one strain too. Blueberry Jam is my "dirtiest" darkest strain. I don't normally use it for making oil, especially when the oil is meant for vaporizing. It came out really clean. I am pretty sure it is because there was no heat like when making RSO.
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This was not easy to get, I had to order it from another state. My state only allows the 151 proof.
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Same RSO batch each winterized. One winterized using isopropyl alcohol. The other with 190 proof Everclear. As you can see, the everclear winterization the oil came out cleaner (bottom syringe). It would be more colorful and transparent if I had a light behind the syringes.
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[kwilal]

[quote=Weezard][COLOR=#000080][SIZE=4][FONT=book antiqua]
That's what irritated me.
Then I started associating the irritation with the asker.
Good way to lose friends.

Know the feeling Weez, raised my voice for the first time to my parents a while back, don't even know why, but felt really bad about it and told them what was going on after apologizing to them. They have been nothing but supportive during this ordeal and I do love them so. The post I wrote above took almost 2 hours and I left out probably the most important thing I wanted to cover, the irritation that leads to violence. In the past month I've become so irritated over stupid shit that I end up turning violent. Not against people mind you, just things around the house. Now granted, I'm a biker so I have a natural tendency not to take shit from people but this was starting to scare me. 2 weeks ago I toss a baked potato in the microwave for lunch, punch in 4 minutes and go back to the computer. Thought I heard it ring and figured I'd get it in a minute or so. I must have hit a button accidentally (44 minutes) as the microwave was still cooking as I played online. A few minutes later I'm sitting here and I see smoke coming out of the kitchen. Enter the kitchen and I see what's left of the potato on fire in the microwave. Got really pissed and threw the flaming piece of charcoal out the front door into the snow. Now most folks would have left it at that but for some reason (yeah, I'm pissed!) I go inside the house, come out with a .45 and I'm ready to empty the magazine into what's left of the potato. After a few seconds I'm like WTF am I doing? Hopefully the neighbors didn't see me. A few days later something minor set me off (kitchen chair tipping back because of all the coats and shirts on it) and I started kicking the living shit out of the chair for about 2 minutes. A few days after that I get set off again and start beating the table so hard I thought I broke my wrist. At this time I've got about a week left on the RSO and had been on it for almost 8 months so I figured just get through this last week and it'll all be fine. Panic attacks and anxiety attacks about doubled during this last week and I'd be lying to you if I didn't tell you suicide crossed my mind on more than one occasion. By time I was finally done with the RSO I was drained physically and emotionally. I don't understand how I can do RSO for 7 months with no problems what-so-ever and the last month turns out to be a nightmare. I do understand that I've always made my living using my hands and now that something as easy as tying my shoes can bring about a shitload of irritation, but I don't understand the violence. All I can say is I hope it goes away soon. I find myself staying at home more often as I don't want to interact with the public and take a chance of going off on someone. I know 3 other people with cancer at this time and have had second thoughts about seeing if they wanted to start RSO. Anyway, I've babbled enough here, just wanted folks to know that taking RSO may affect each of us differently and you never know how it's going to affect you until the time comes.
Ken

[AMB IN CHAINS]

I am living with my wife in NYC where the idea of Cannabis or RSO is so far in the future that i am scared of what to do for my wife (diagnosed with a stage 4 Lymphoma) and now in bed, in pain, and not wanting to ever go back to of teh top hospitals here in NYC now that she heard of RSO. but where and how to get to Michigan when we cannot afford to leave the city...She needs help fast...some advise pleasse Grow Goddess?

[GrowGoddess]

I am living with my wife in NYC where the idea of Cannabis or RSO is so far in the future that i am scared of what to do for my wife (diagnosed with a stage 4 Lymphoma) and now in bed, in pain, and not wanting to ever go back to of teh top hospitals here in NYC now that she heard of RSO. but where and how to get to Michigan when we cannot afford to leave the city...She needs help fast...some advise pleasse Grow Goddess?

This is an instance to where I wish the Feds would just decriminalize marijuana. The reason why it is illegal, because it works. Not just for medicinal purposes either.

Michigan is probably not the best place right now due to a recent court of appeals decision which made the concentrates illegal. I have downsized to where I am not able to supply a patient for a cancer treatment. We are waiting for a supreme court decision to overturn that ruling. Politics suck!

The best way to deal with this is make the oil yourself. Like the last video I posted showing my cancer patient. Now why did another organization have to use my cancer patient as their poster boy? Most organizations or groups are not able to supply a patient with quality oil. They work with donations from others, most donations are of low quality, and most are running a scheme. Not all are, but the majority is.

Make the oil yourself, you can do better than a hustler or con artist. All you need is access to good quality buds. If using isopropyl alcohol as the solvent makes you uncomfortable, 190 proof everclear will pretty much solve that problem. The Everclear is not nearly as flammable and the aroma is not nearly as strong and you don't need to be concerned with a perfect purge because grain alcohol is safe to consume. If you cannot find quality marijuana where you are, my best advice is, figure out a way to get to Colorado after January 1, 2014. From what I understand, if you are over 21, you can purchase marijuana there. Pick out indica strains, four of the nicest looking strains and make the oil. I always recommend to mix strains for the best results. They might even have RSO there as well, but I still strongly recommend that you make the oil yourself. Don't trust others, trust yourself.

That is the best advice I can offer.

Good luck and God bless.

[justwonder]

I enjoyed reading this thread very informative thank you. Have a few questions. I read this thread once some months back and probably should have read the current thread before undertaking my first oil run because it would have refreshed my memory on how to do it. Someone gave me a bunch of buds that no one wanted because it was like hay but had little crystals on the buds. Perhaps there was also a seeded out female one male plant and all mostly sativa buds or trimmings or whatever. I didn't want it laying around or throw it away and thought to try the RSO. All I could find was 91% ISO at drug store. It was all really dry and froze it with a couple gallons of the 91%ISO and whatever pans that were to mix it in. Followed the procedure with exception of coffee filter but used two splatter guards as a filter. At end of the procedure rice cooker needed to be moved around rotated until noticed it was slightly being burned on bottom of rice cooker. I then threw it into a baby croc pot that slightly simmered out the rest of the tiny bubbles then waited 10 more minutes of swirly motion before syringe.
It still has this hay smell but pulled out about 22 grams of oil and plan to give it away.

I would not want to give this to someone if it is not done right or will get them sick. The oil is black when thick but golden brown when smeared. It does have a hay type smell and could be contaminated with chlorophyll or something due to no coffee filter. There is no alcohol smell.
Is there a way to rewash this oil and filter it? The grain alcohol will work? Is it possible to reuse/recycle the oil stuck to bottom of rice cooker and baby crock pot?

Also Woozy how did it go with Sannies strains.. outdoor in Aloha?

[GrowGoddess]

I enjoyed reading this thread very informative thank you. Have a few questions. I read this thread once some months back and probably should have read the current thread before undertaking my first oil run because it would have refreshed my memory on how to do it. Someone gave me a bunch of buds that no one wanted because it was like hay but had little crystals on the buds. Perhaps there was also a seeded out female one male plant and all mostly sativa buds or trimmings or whatever. I didn't want it laying around or throw it away and thought to try the RSO. All I could find was 91% ISO at drug store. It was all really dry and froze it with a couple gallons of the 91%ISO and whatever pans that were to mix it in. Followed the procedure with exception of coffee filter but used two splatter guards as a filter. At end of the procedure rice cooker needed to be moved around rotated until noticed it was slightly being burned on bottom of rice cooker. I then threw it into a baby croc pot that slightly simmered out the rest of the tiny bubbles then waited 10 more minutes of swirly motion before syringe.
It still has this hay smell but pulled out about 22 grams of oil and plan to give it away.

I would not want to give this to someone if it is not done right or will get them sick. The oil is black when thick but golden brown when smeared. It does have a hay type smell and could be contaminated with chlorophyll or something due to no coffee filter. There is no alcohol smell.
Is there a way to rewash this oil and filter it? The grain alcohol will work? Is it possible to reuse/recycle the oil stuck to bottom of rice cooker and baby crock pot?

Also Woozy how did it go with Sannies strains.. outdoor in Aloha?

Well, I don't recommend the 91% iso. You can order the 99% iso online. I also only recommend using a metal cup with a coffee cup warmer as it is not as hot as the mini crock pot. Also, next time be more careful not to burn the oil in the rice cooker. It is very easy to damage the product that way.

Since it was made with iso you can clean it up and make it better. That has a lot to do with polar and non polar solvents. Take your finished product that was made with the iso. Put it into a metal or glass cup. Dilute it with a good amount of 190 proof Everclear grain alcohol or even a higher proof grain alcohol. After it is well diluted, put it into a jar and then into the freezer for at least 72 hours. Then take the mixture and run it through a paper coffee filter (I filtered it into a shot glass then poured it into my purge cup) and get it back into the metal cup or pan for the coffee mug warmer. Purge it to the desired thickness, stirring occasionally. Your oil should be cleaner after that.

Please let us know how it turns out.

Here are some pictures of the process.

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I did a comparison on this winterizing. I just took a quick picture to point out the difference. If I would have had some light behind the syringes it would look prettier and more transparent. The darker oil on the top, I winterized iso oil with iso. The lower syringe I winterized the same iso oil with 190 everclear. The polar non polar thing is very important. As you can see, the winterizing of the iso oil with 190 everclear came out more clear. Iso and grain alcohol go hand in hand when it comes to winterizing. It is rather simple to do too. A good thing about the grain alcohol when purging is that it doesn't stink the house up nor does it seem as dangerous. When you are finished purging the everclear, you can be confident that there is no iso left in it at all.
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I did this experiment with very clean oil. It is wasteful to do this with clean oil. Far more effective with a dirtier higher chlorophyll oil. Excluding winterizing, forget about winterizing for a minute. If you are already making a good clean oil with iso, you may want to dilute it with 190 everclear and purge that. Then you know for sure there is no iso left in it whatsoever and you know it is completely safe in regards to solvents.

Gray Wolf knows more about winterizing than I. There is information posted at SkunkPharms web blog site. I used that to help get me started.

[giggletwig]

Hi GrowGoddess, hope you had a nice holiday season!

After reading and re-reading this thread, I'm gonna take the jump and make some RSO. Some of it I want to use in my e-cig. But I was wondering about taking a maintenance dose daily ad infinitum.

I had breast cancer 2-1/2 years ago and went through the whole surgery, chemo and radiation thing. Had to do chemo for 1 year and 3 mos. It was hell and I never want to do it again. I'm not sure I have recovered from it yet or ever will. I had stage 3 cancer and it got into my lymph nodes, so there is always the worry it will come back to haunt me in some other organ/system. Do you think a maintenance dose daily would help in preventing this? I know it couldn't hurt, but is a maintenance dose (1 rice grain sized or more at night) enough to make a difference? I am also curious what other help it may provide me with my other medical problems. Just smoking has helped a lot with my back pain, depression, neuralgia, anxiety and IBS. I've been able to stop taking 2 narcotic pain relievers, my sleep aid and my anxiety medication (all of which were making me an addicted zombie) and my head is so much clearer. Just wanted to know a little more about maintenance dosing since I haven't seen it discussed much. Thanks always for your wisdom and help! :)

[giggletwig]

oops... just another question I forgot to ask. Do you ever use flavor oils (Loran) to flavor your e-juice? I wanted to help disguise the scent in public with a little mint and wondered if it helps and how much to use. Probably no more than a drop or even less....

[catbuds]

Kwilal, is it possible your last few batches of RSO was made from sativa, or sativa was in the breeding of the hybrid? (I find sativas make me anxious). Just a thought...... :)

-- Hey Giggletwig! Where the heck you been!? Go to my Camper Closet grow thread. ;)

[GrowGoddess]

Hi GrowGoddess, hope you had a nice holiday season!

After reading and re-reading this thread, I'm gonna take the jump and make some RSO. Some of it I want to use in my e-cig. But I was wondering about taking a maintenance dose daily ad infinitum.

I had breast cancer 2-1/2 years ago and went through the whole surgery, chemo and radiation thing. Had to do chemo for 1 year and 3 mos. It was hell and I never want to do it again. I'm not sure I have recovered from it yet or ever will. I had stage 3 cancer and it got into my lymph nodes, so there is always the worry it will come back to haunt me in some other organ/system. Do you think a maintenance dose daily would help in preventing this? I know it couldn't hurt, but is a maintenance dose (1 rice grain sized or more at night) enough to make a difference? I am also curious what other help it may provide me with my other medical problems. Just smoking has helped a lot with my back pain, depression, neuralgia, anxiety and IBS. I've been able to stop taking 2 narcotic pain relievers, my sleep aid and my anxiety medication (all of which were making me an addicted zombie) and my head is so much clearer. Just wanted to know a little more about maintenance dosing since I haven't seen it discussed much. Thanks always for your wisdom and help! :)

I think it would be very wise to take maintenance doses. I recommend two doses per day. Anywhere from a rice grain size up to a pea, depending on the potency/quality of the oil. I strongly recommend ingesting the oil for the maintenance dose. You can also vape it in your e-cigg, but don't count that as your maintenance dose.

In half of the cases, I have heard the oil has helped with many other issues. I cannot say that it has helped with all. It seems to be more effective with people that are accustomed to the buzz effects of marijuana in general. This is not always the case, but often.

I do not add flavors to my oil, but you can. Yes, it will only require a small amount. Just be sure to thin the oil for the e-cigg with PG USP. PG USP is also known for aiding in blending chemicals together so I would suspect that it may help with blending the flavor or your choice with the oil depending on if the flavor is oil or water soluble. In many cases PG USP with work with both.

I still have no interest in smoking any buds. I swear, I am being honest. You can look at my best bud pictures and all I see is crap or nice buds turned into oil. I only vape and eat the oil. When I vape concentrates, I perfer the PG USP to be added to it vs. vaping the pure concentrate.

So, good luck to you on your vaporizing adventure! :)

God bless

If you are looking for more information, I can probably help you from GrowGoddess Michigan at FB.

[painretreat]

Hi GrowGoddess, hope you had a nice holiday season!

After reading and re-reading this thread, I'm gonna take the jump and make some RSO. Some of it I want to use in my e-cig. But I was wondering about taking a maintenance dose daily ad infinitum.

I had breast cancer 2-1/2 years ago and went through the whole surgery, chemo and radiation thing. Had to do chemo for 1 year and 3 mos. It was hell and I never want to do it again. I'm not sure I have recovered from it yet or ever will. I had stage 3 cancer and it got into my lymph nodes, so there is always the worry it will come back to haunt me in some other organ/system. Do you think a maintenance dose daily would help in preventing this? I know it couldn't hurt, but is a maintenance dose (1 rice grain sized or more at night) enough to make a difference? I am also curious what other help it may provide me with my other medical problems. Just smoking has helped a lot with my back pain, depression, neuralgia, anxiety and IBS. I've been able to stop taking 2 narcotic pain relievers, my sleep aid and my anxiety medication (all of which were making me an addicted zombie) and my head is so much clearer. Just wanted to know a little more about maintenance dosing since I haven't seen it discussed much. Thanks always for your wisdom and help! :)

Taking a maintenance dose might work; One year of chemo though...must have been an extremely aggressive cancer, Stage 3 or you are somewhat aging? Regardless, with all the poison of chemo etc...I'd lean more toward trying to 're-set' your body to something closer to normal by taking a curative dose to start with~~if you can manage to get enough buds and make that much oil? *edit*; my thinking is chemo isn't a 'sure' cure and hopefully the oil will target the cells that are 'infected' with the 'potential' threat.

Certainly a maintenance dose is better than nothing.

Dosing: 1cc = 1gram?? is that the formula everyone is using?
:thumbsup:
@kwilal; thank you for the descriptive post of your regime... I'll engage some help with my bills and responsibilities while on the extreme dose. And making the full amount of oil prior to starting its use.

@Weezard: Which size gelatin capsules are those in the post pictures last July?

If you store your rso in syringes and have no "cap" for it, what are you using instead? :rasta:

I easily found a coffee warmer at the local thrift store for $2.00 and see the craft stores have the same thing for candle warmers. Anyone using a candle warmer?:jointsmile: pr

[Weezard]

"@Weezard: Which size gelatin capsules are those in the post pictures last July?

If you store your rso in syringes and have no "cap" for it, what are you using instead?"

Those were #2 caps.
I needed a little bigger so am now using #1
Next biggest size is single aught #0.

The bigger ones are a good idea, because you don't have to fill them all the way.
That makes capping much easier and much less messy.

If your oils is made right, the small syringes don't need a cap at room temperature.
I stuff a round toothpick in it though, just in case of plunger pressure and temperature changes.

Aloha,
Weeze

[painretreat]

...
Those were #2 caps.
I needed a little bigger so am now using #1
Next biggest size is single aught #0.
The bigger ones are a good idea, because you don't have to fill them all the way.
That makes capping much easier and much less messy.
If your oils is made right, the small syringes don't need a cap at room temperature.
I stuff a round toothpick in it though, just in case of plunger pressure and temperature changes.
Aloha,
Weeze

:thumbsup:Thank YOU for sharing so much about this process Weezard and all the others that have contributed! Getting a real PhD on RSO in this thread...well and, patience! Are there any easy threads on how to 'recover' the 190pf juice?

I bought the "0" and "3"...that is all they had in Loma Linda (largest health food store and Vegetarian population here). They had the Capsule machine for "0" only...so I have it too! And if that doesn't work, I'll get a bullet case and do it like GrownInGa does. I so appreciate the advice!

Is any particular size of syringe a bit 'easier' to push the plunger in? Sort of worried I may not be able to push oil out, it is thicker than Penicillin and that stuff (the VD bomb) can be a big challenge to push out (with a big needle-though)..with healthy hands.

Trying to think :upsidedowof all the 'variables' so I have the oil and dose's set up for the entire trip! IDK how long it'll take to get that much oil in me and still be able to walk! Certainly going to do it, soon!

Again; :joint1:Thank YOU GrowGoddess, Weezard and all those contributing...each post has extreme value and I've read this thread many times, lately!:4:

Hope everyone is well and having a good start to the New Year! Glad the:wtf: '13' year is over! :rasta: pr

[giggletwig]

GrowGoddess and Painretreat:

Thanks for the advice! I am surprised that you recommend 2 doses (or 3 doses to start) as maintenance. I thought maint. was one dose? (which I thought would be easy to do at night and help my insomnia)
My chemo ended in Dec. 2011 and I've been clear ever since. It was considered stage 3 since it had gone into the lymph nodes. (Aging? I'm 58... what's that got to do with?) Cancer was triple positive. I opted not to take meds to reduce my female hormones - it just didn't feel right for me having bone troubles, and my gut told me not to. But you know, one still worries. I feel like I've been living waiting for the other shoe to drop, so to speak. I have a good tolerance and function well high (even hubby can't tell I'm high, just that I'm in a better mood). But how impaired would I be taking a dose during the day? I'm not working, but don't see spending all day stoned...

(Making oil = a good excuse to grow more! I Love to grow!)

[crystaliscious]

Gogglewig - I think you will up your tolerance again- I was very sleepy at first - even on maitenance, but you get used to it fairly quickly

[kwilal]

Kwilal, is it possible your last few batches of RSO was made from sativa, or sativa was in the breeding of the hybrid? (I find sativas make me anxious). Just a thought...... :)

-- Hey Giggletwig! Where the heck you been!? Go to my Camper Closet grow thread. ;)

It's quite possible, as the guy I was getting it from grew both indica and sativa. He's on vacation at the moment so I'll have to ask him when he returns. On a happier note, it's been 2 weeks now since I stopped the RSO and any anxiety or panic attacks I was experiencing have pretty much disappeared. No more violent outburst. My head is coming around to what I use to consider normal and everyday seems to get better. I went to Michigan for a New Years Eve party and had the time of my life. This was only the 3rd time in 1 1/2 years that I was pain-free for an entire day, and everyday since then has been pretty good too. I was also experiencing severe gas and kidney pain for the past couple of months and finally figured out I was poisoning myself with too much potassium I was taking in the way of 10 drops of Lugol's Iodine daily. I quit taking that about the same time I quit the RSO and gas & kidney pain has been reduced about 90%. I've got another scan coming up in a week or so and hope the healing trend continues. I'll post results here when I get them but for now I'm just drying out so I can pass a physical/drug test and hope to get back to work before the end of February so I don't lose my job. Maintenance doses will still be taken and from what I've read here it's just one gram a month. If any of that has changed I hope someone will chime in. Thanks again to all here who have helped me make it this far.
Ken

[kwilal]

[QUOTE=painretreat;2261439
Is any particular size of syringe a bit 'easier' to push the plunger in? Sort of worried I may not be able to push oil out, it is thicker than Penicillin and that stuff (the VD bomb) can be a big challenge to push out (with a big needle-though)..with healthy hands. [/QUOTE]

Painretreat, I found that putting the syringe under hot water in the kitchen sink for a few minutes made the RSO flow like warm butter. After getting the dose I needed I'd retract the plunger a bit and draw some air into the syringe, this kept pressure off the contents and that way the next time it went under the hot water I didn't have to worry about it flowing out of the syringe once it warmed up. Hope it works for you.
Ken

[painretreat]

:thumbsup:@Ken: thank you!
:thumbsup:@giggles...do you know if your ca was hormone(estrogen) induced? I presume not or I think they would have 'insisted' you take the 'blocking' drugs??


GrowGoddess and Painretreat:

...But you know, one still worries. I feel like I've been living waiting for the other shoe to drop, so to speak. I have a good tolerance and function well high (even hubby can't tell I'm high, just that I'm in a better mood). But how impaired would I be taking a dose during the day? I'm not working, but don't see spending all day stoned...

(Making oil = a good excuse to grow more! I Love to grow!)

The length of time you were given chemo is the clue to age and/or aggressiveness of the cancer. You are a bit young to have your dose's spread out over that much time. With age, they will lower each dose and spread the 'total' dose of chemo out over a longer period of time. Or with an aggressive cancer the dose is increased and only so much can be given each time, therefore extending the length of treatment. Assuming U have no other health issues?

Definitely, I would want to take the minimal 'curative' dose, if I were you. That will be a personal and financial decision. In as much as, nothing is showing awry (i presume) right now it will be a judgement call. My fear of cancer is greater than my fear of death.

The hormone blocking medications are extremely annoying and many stop them due to the side-effects, anyway (I would refuse them as well). Glad you aren't on any.

Hope to read of your healthy progress for decades to come! :rasta: pr
Estrogen-Induced Cancer (http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/publications/in-vivo/Vol2_Iss10_may26_03/index.html)

[giggletwig]

Painretreat - My cancer was triple positive, meaning estrogen was one of the things feeding it. The doctor WAS very insistent that I take the hormone blockers, and I debated and went round and round for a LONG time. But a voice inside me said not to take it, that it would further weaken my already bad spine and leave me sexless for the remainder of my life (and who the hell wants that??). One of the reasons I had chemo so long was to treat for the other positives that fed it. But I'm going for quality of life, not quantity. Who wants to be ill for 20 years at the end of their life if they have a choice? I'm done with doctors dictating to me that I have to take pharmaceuticals. (and I could go off on a rant about my experiences, but I won't) ;)

Anyway... the RSO will surely help abate my fears. I feel I will be doing something positive to help me rather than waiting for that dratted shoe. I'll have to try it out to find the right dosage for me, and if I can grow enough to support the dosage I think I need. Plus having some to vape for those trying times when I'd ordinarily reach for my anxiety meds.

Thanks for everyone's help and caring. Maybe some day I'll be able to move to a legal state and help others like the GrowGoddess does.

[boogies]

Hi Vacko,
My sister is taking high cdb cannabis oil, has stage IV breast cancer. Shes not quite up to a gram a day yet, even though it is low THC, it is really hard on her. It leaves her unable to drive, to really leave the house much, just low low energy. She-s been taking the oil for about 6 weeks more or less. Her latest CA 27 29 tumor marker test came back really elevated, it jumped from the mid 700s to just over 1000 in one month. Her markers had been stable at around 700 for several months, so we are worried. We are wondering, and hoping that the elevated markers are from cancer cell die off, and that it is working.
I was reading your post from 2012 about your wifes markers also going up. I searched further in the forum and didn't find any further updates on her treatment. In the subsequent months did her markers continue to rise, did they begin to go down as she continued with the oil? Im really interested in hearing any further updates, if you dont mind sharing. There is very little out here online that Ive found about stage 4 breast cancer patients taking the oil, what they experience, how their cancer reacts. We are really worried and looking for shared experiences.
thank you
Victoria


Hi L&G,

I was waiting some time to write this post. My wifes story goes like this: 2004 dg breast cancer hormone positive, HER neg.(full medical treatment chemo,etc...), March 2011 metastatic breast cancer (tripple negative) on her bones. My wife did CT scan today and the results came clear. All organs and bones are clear from new mets. She did 3 radiotherapy treatments on her bones in last year. All organs clear all the time.
Only thing is that her tumor markers came higher than usual. Her CEA 15 3 was usually around 25 (30 is the limit) and today it was 53 and her CEA marker came higher 1.4 and usually it was around 0.3 (0.5 is the limit).
We are worried since her markers were always bellow limit. This is the first time that her markers went sky high.
Her oncologist suggests two options:
1.) Wait 6 weeks and make another blood tests to see if the markers are going up or down
2.) PET CT next week

My question is if anybody have experienced this that RSO showed false results on tumor markers or this is just that the dead cancer cells are leaving the body and they are still in the system or something else.
She had around 50 g of oil in 3 months period + Budwig diet from April 2011.

Any suggestion will be helpfull

Vacko

[Weezard]

Aloha boogies,

Vacko hasn't signed on since September 2012.

You might try a google search for that user name on other boards.

Or not, just did, came up dry. :(
It might be Croatian, but I found no direct translation to English.
Sorry,
Weeze

[crystaliscious]

Hi Boogies, I really feel your fear, try reading this lady's story.
hempoilhope.com

[GrowGoddess]

Woo Hoo!!

Broke 100,000 views!!

:dance: :clap: :dance:

:jumphappy:

[GrowGoddess]

I have mentioned on this thread about vaporizing RSO by converting it to an e-cannabis oil by simply infusing the RSO with PG USP. I have been very focused on that for about 7 months now. Unfortunately when it comes to vaporizing the cleaner the oil, the better. It can be far more expensive, very easy to consume large amounts. It is not like eating the oil. It is more like vaporizing buds but 100 times better. Not necessarily stronger, but better, healthier and in my opinion more tasty as long as the oil is very clean. I finally found the exact vaporizer rig that fully meets my needs. I am fully satisfied. By no means would I suggest for someone to use the vaporizer instead of eating the oil. I do believe it is a more medicinal way to use cannabis vs. smoking. I am not a fan of vaping buds, I don't care for it. All I use now is concentrates.

Anyway, the absolute best vaporizing rig in my opinion is the silver SVD with the new iClear 30b clearomizer attachment. The iClear 30b is bottom fed. As long as you hold the unit sideways and store it sideways, you can tip it up occasionally and all, but keeping it sideways will help prevent leakage to the battery. Now that I have been using mine sideways, I have had zero leakage to the battery. The heating coils are replaceable for around $3 each and they last at least twice as long as the average top fed coils.

Here are a couple of picture of it.
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It is filled with RSO that I extracted with 99% isopropyl. After the oil was done, I diluted it with 190 Everclear, winterized it, then after it was done I infused the oil with PG USP. I tried it out in the iClear 30b and I believe it is the whoop! I truly consider the SVD with an iClear 30b with premium quality oil to be hospital quality. You can purchase all of this with a case for as low as $97. Also, you can use BHO or QWISO, non-decarbed oils work just as well. Kind of like comparing sativa to indica on the effects.

Just thought I'd share.
:cool:

[1vanguy]

what experience have you seen with tumors and the oil? do you know of anyone using it for a dog with cancer? mine was just diagnosed and looking to help her ASAP. thanks for your fast reply.

[GrowGoddess]

what experience have you seen with tumors and the oil? do you know of anyone using it for a dog with cancer? mine was just diagnosed and looking to help her ASAP. thanks for your fast reply.

I have heard of people using the RSO with dogs and have only heard good things. I wish I knew of RSO before I had to put my dog down a few years ago. I am sure I could have made his life better. His issue was old age and pain, no tumors or anything like that.

Me personally, I would not hesitate to treat my dog with RSO. Start off small and work up. Pretty much the same treatment process as with in a human, of course you will have to alter based upon the size and weight of the animal. It may only require a max of 1/4 gram per day depending on the dog's weight.

If you to try it, please let us know how it works out. Do not be alarmed if your dog seems "drunk". I did give my old dog some cooked cannabis before, and it did give him comfort, but it knocked him out. I had no idea of the benefits of cannabis at that time otherwise I would have given him some every evening so he could sleep. If I had known about RSO, I would have given him maintenance doses three times per day for his pain. He was old and arthritic, a large breed dog.

To me, my dogs are always considered a member of the family and will be treated as such. I understand your concerns.

[1vanguy]

The dr I spoke to suggested I start with just 2 mg of thc a day, along with a moderate dose of CBD. Then every few days increase the thc by 2 to 5 mgs a day. From my understanding RSO is so high in thc that this would be impossible? Should I just get a cbd powder that has a little thc?

[catbuds]

I'm so glag you found Growgoddess (or she found you)! & I'm glad you found a Dr. Keep in mind RSO has both THC & CBD. You could always try canna butter. Ok, we need Weeze & Crystal. :)

[1vanguy]

I'm so glag you found Growgoddess (or she found you)! & I'm glad you found a Dr. Keep in mind RSO has both THC & CBD. You could always try canna butter. Ok, we need Weeze & Crystal. :)

thanks again. but maybe too much thc in RSO?it would be hard to get a small enough drop of oil wouldnt it..i read 1/3 of a drop is pretty strong for a human.

[Weezard]

Howzit 1vanguy?

The ratio of THC:CBD in resin is variable.
And the CBD inhibits the high of the THC as it's ratio increases.
It depends on the strain that it is extracted from, when harvested, how it is dried, and what extraction method is used.
The skill of the operator is a major factor as well.
That and the concentration of THC:CBD in the original resin is also variable.

So, every batch of oil is different in ratio, and concentration.
And you build a tolerance.
(I worked my way up to 1.25 Grams per day in 2 doses for a 190 pound male.)

Sound impossible to titrate?
It's actually not.
Weigh the dog, and do the math. :)
Then titration is easy.

Add one gram of oil to half a kilo, (about a pound) of butter.
Melt, stir, put it in the fridge.
That will give you about 2 milligrams of RSO per gram of butter.
If your oil 's concentration of THC is 50%, that makes 1 milligram of active ingredient per gram of cannabutter.
Then dosage is easy, almost all dogs love butter.

You will be able to tell when to back off, and when to increase dosage by the dogs reaction.
297993
They get stoner's eyes just like we do.
Which can take over half an hour, so be cautious and always wait one hour before checking and or increasing.

You have a good doctor there.
Do you know the location, and type of cancer?
More information will help us, help your dog/

Aloha,
Weeze (Lover of all things doggish.)

[1vanguy]

Cheers for the info. I won't be cooking any oil at home, especially since I am renting a basement suite from a cop lol..not sure if he'd care or not.

The dr is a specialist for humans I reached out to via email and that was his off the record suggestion..he isn't local for me.

She has hemangiosarcoma, which was in her spleen. They removed the spleen. They believe it usually spreads elsewhere within 1 to 3 months and can show up in the liver, heart, lungs. She is 11, 60 lb husky.

One nice dispensary here just gave me a free bottle of CBD extract from alcohol..they said theres a small amount of THC in it..forget they said around 5 percent or so, though theres no info on the bottle and they didn't seem that knowledgable. I took a spray and felt a very nice mellow stone. Gave my dog a small lick off my finger and she seems normal, guessing I will give her a bit more.



Howzit 1vanguy?

The ratio of THC:CBD in resin is variable.
And the CBD inhibits the high of the THC as it's ratio increases.
It depends on the strain that it is extracted from, when harvested, how it is dried, and what extraction method is used.
The skill of the operator is a major factor as well.
That and the concentration of THC:CBD in the original resin is also variable.

So, every batch of oil is different in ratio, and concentration.
And you build a tolerance.
(I worked my way up to 1.25 Grams per day in 2 doses for a 190 pound male.)

Sound impossible to titrate?
It's actually not.
Weigh the dog, and do the math. :)
Then titration is easy.

Add one gram of oil to half a kilo, (about a pound) of butter.
Melt, stir, put it in the fridge.
That will give you about 2 milligrams of RSO per gram of butter.
If your oil 's concentration of THC is 50%, that makes 1 milligram of active ingredient per gram of cannabutter.
Then dosage is easy, almost all dogs love butter.

You will be able to tell when to back off, and when to increase dosage by the dogs reaction.
297993
They get stoner's eyes just like we do.
Which can take over half an hour, so be cautious and always wait one hour before checking and or increasing.

You have a good doctor there.
Do you know the location, and type of cancer?
More information will help us, help your dog/

Aloha,
Weeze (Lover of all things doggish.)

[crystaliscious]

Making an extract out of green material will increase the CBd while the thc is pretty low.... I know you aren't making it but maybe you could find an extract made from green. I would give 2-3 times a day, don't be alarmed if he sleeps a lot at first. He will form somewhat of a tolerance. My cat likes me to rub a little infused budder or coconut oil on his fur and he titrates himself- good luck!!

[kwilal]

Well, it's been two months since I last posted and thought I'd give a minor update. While there is plenty of feedback on how to make RSO in this thread there's not much input from those who are actually taking it. Last night was my final (hopefully) regular dose of RSO, as of now I will just be on maintenance doses. Looking back at it now it's hard to believe I've been doing RSO for almost 8 months straight. What started out as a controllable high 8 months ago has turned into a real chore at the end. I started taking RSO about 9PM when I started, it made for a great night's sleep and I found myself waking 12 hours or so later. As time went on things would slowly change. Falling asleep at 9PM would drag out until midnight or later. Waking up around 6AM became the new norm. My appetite during all this has been spotty, some days I want to pig out, others I don't eat at all. I went from 250# down to 175# after the operation, can't say the RSO ever increased or decreased my appetite. One thing that did change during the RSO use was how I handle food intake. I feel great in the morning and I'm usually hungry when I awake, so I eat. Since the operation removed half my stomach meals are usually smaller and more frequent. About 4 months ago I started getting stomach pains about 4PM every afternoon. These got to be quite intense after awhile and the pain would be unbearable, usually going away after taking a Norco or Vicodin. This was usually shared with extreme bouts of gas. Passing gas would bring some relief but after a couple weeks I found out that if I ate something the pain would go away for a few hours. Sounds easy enough but if you've ever tried to eat when experiencing a stomach ache it's damn near impossible. Doc says I have a mild case of anorexia, hope I lose it as I'd like to put a few pounds on. I'm hoping the pains may have been from the RSO and maybe something to do with chlorophyll or something. Guess I'll find out soon enough.
Anxiety attacks and panic attacks became a reality about 2 months ago. Watching TV I'd see something funny and laugh my ass off, 5 minutes later something sad would appear and the tears would flow. These were emotions that would have never surfaced in the past, I'm a biker, not an emotional guy. Now for the worse part of this whole thing, the short term memory loss. I've pretty much turned into a friggin' zombie. The clock on the wall needs a new battery but I found that if I set the hands forward manually it'll start again for a few more days. This has been going on since Halloween. I know it'll only take 10 minutes to open it up and change it but I just can't bring myself around to doing it. Dishes in the sink have been there just as long. 2 minute jobs take an hour. 5 minute jobs take a week. Spend 10 minutes looking for my glasses and I'm wearing them. Geez, I hope it really is short term.
The last thing I'd like to touch on is support. I would not recommend doing RSO without the support of a spouse or family. I'm a semi-private kinda guy and although this may sound selfish I don't know if I'd want to go through all this again by myself. No spouse or girlfriend in my life at this time but family checks on me once a week or so. If I had to do it again I'd definitely want someone to hold my hand through this. Just the comforting factor would be a godsend. Someone to worry about all the little things so you don't have to. The last thing I needed during all this was to be worried about paying bills and disability checks, etc. The insurance company stopped my disability checks in August, and an appeal was finally approved 3 days ago. Almost 5 months without a check, thank God for the folks. Anyway, that's about where we stand at the moment. Would I do it again? Sure, but let's hope I won't have to. I go back for another scan the first week of January, hopefully the good news will continue. I'll post again then. Thanks again for all those here who have helped me get through this. God knows it wasn't easy.
Ken

Post above was one day after stopping 8 month RSO regimen. Biggest problem back then was a 4 month bout with abdominal pain and excess gas. Did some reading on symptoms and figured out the Iodine regimen I was doing with Lugol's Iodine was probably giving me excess potassium in my system. Stopped the Iodine regimen and within 3 days started feeling much better. By day 7 I was feeling fantastic, with abdominal pain and gas reduced by about 90%. No pain for the first time in a year and a half has really helped my mental state, everything is right as rain now. Got another scan last week, Jan. 15th, and saw the oncologist a few days ago. He says a few lymph nodes are enlarged but less than 1 cm in size, just like the last scan. He's not worried about it and says I shouldn't be either. All other test results were good. Changed my 3 month follow-ups to 4 months. I'll be calling work tomorrow to set up an appointment for a return to work physical. Keeping my fingers crossed for now, hope my luck continues. Should have done my first maintenance dose a week ago but have to hold off until after the physical and piss test. Wish me luck and thanks again to all (especially GrowGoddess) for the help. I'll update as things progress.
Ken

[GrowGoddess]

thanks again. but maybe too much thc in RSO?it would be hard to get a small enough drop of oil wouldnt it..i read 1/3 of a drop is pretty strong for a human.

you can dilute the RSO if need be. How much does your dog weigh? If it is less than 60 pounds, treating him/her with high quality RSO, and I am talking really high quality, it could be a little difficult because it would be such a small dose, like a 1/3 of a grain of rice, and that is just to get started. Three times per day, as the tolerance gets better, increase the dose size. You can dilute the RSO with coconut oil, butter, peanut butter, alcohol if you are going to do a 50/50 dilution (only a couple of drops of whiskey or vodka three times per day should not be harmful to the dog (just my opinion or guess). I suppose if I were to treat a small dog, I would probably choose to dilute the oil with coconut oil or real butter.

I fully agree with Weezard. You might want to sample the oil yourself to determine the potency, then do the math.