Revegging after harvest - Grow log/Advice/Proof Enjoy!

[Minnesnowta]

I'm starting this thread about revegging your plants after you harvest the buds from them in order to grow them back out and get a 2nd, or maybe even more harvests from the same plant. I plan to provide all the information I can for others who want to try this process, as well as a grow log of my own revegging project as proof that it does work, and hopefully by the end of it, that it does work well. I grew my first plant this summer and failed to take clones at an early enough stage in its life to preserve it, as harvest rolled around I researched hard for options to keep going since I had no more seeds and no good means of buying any new seeds or clones. Once I heard about revegging I researched it as much as I could and got to work...

I am about 2-3 weeks into revegging currently and I have plenty of new growth, still mostly mutant/confused growth but at least I know its working properly. I think you'll find that my reveg situation has been quite unique, and that may offer some new ideas for those of you looking to try it out. I will be posting pictures later on today, and continuously as she grows all the way through her 2nd harvest. Just out of curiosity how often should I take update pictures of the growth? I'll shoot for at least once a week.

Anyways, stay tuned and enjoy, also remember that this is somewhat new to me as well. So anyone more experienced should feel free to comment and correct me on anything I do or say. Also I'd love to see links to other revegging grow logs if anyone else has them. Enjoy, and I appreciate any and all comments that you can send my way throughout the process.

[GaGrown]

I got about 7 years of revegging experience,thank's to Rusty Trichome. He set me straight on 1 thing..So... I'm gonna ask you this question. Did you trim the rootball and transplant? It's a very big deal if you did'nt and timing is the key. As soon as the plant is harvested you should trim the roots and transplant. Kinda gettin' all the stress out of the way at 1 time. Makes sense,too. I did it opposite and waited till they vegged back and then transplant. Not anymore! The growth was explosive after I trimmed the roots. They had stopped or stalled growth,by not doing that. Anyway... Gonna stay tunned in to this thread,Kinda my thing. Love having the same strain for all these years! Without seeds or cuttings.. Just revegged mama's. I do believe revegging will be common practice amongst growers to keep genetics alive. Hope all goes well with your venture!

Ga.

[Minnesnowta]

Sadly I did not transplant or trim the rootball... I did read about that I knew that I should have, and I meant to do that but growth started quickly and now I am a little unsure as to whether or not I want to transfer it. I was concerned the stress would harm the plant and since it seems to be growing well right now I figured why try to fix something that isn't broken. If you recommend that I still transplant even after its been vegging for 2 weeks or so, then thats the way I'll go. If nothing else.. I really wanted to put it into a larger container.

My other concern with that was since there is quite a bit of new growth, would I be cutting off the new roots if I were to do that now? And if so, does that matter?

[GaGrown]

Let me assure you that you can't screw this up! Trim that rootball and transplant.. You'll be fine I promise! One or two inches off the bottom and same on the sides and transplant.Plain ole ph'd water on one side of the pot. Gotta give it a chance to dry out some. Roots grow faster if they are somewhat dry. Maybe add some KLN rooting hormone.

That new growth your concerned about is gonna be explosive!

Ga.

[LetsSeeYa]

GG is right, you gotta trim the sides and bottom or you will have issues down the road. Trust me as i am a student of Rusty too, have you read his thread yet, if not get on it asap. But i dont agree with any root hormone, just my opinion as you will be re potting in a couple weeks.

I did as Rusty did, but then put them outside. I didn't know what to expect, but what i got was monsters. Look in my Sig, they got huge with a ok yield only because i got ripped 3 times, but still got at least a qp a plant. Would have got at least 1 or 2 easy as the strains were nice, plus took 2 or 3 inside harvests before re vegging them outside. My NL got sick, it was rotted all up the main stem right below the ground and without a good trim you may have the same issue inside. But yeah trim all 4 sides and the bottom and put into fresh soil. Any flower nutes may slow the re veg too, just though of that so not sure. It might be ok now, but it will need re potted and by having the stress if any, i had non and i have pics to show you, it will be way worse when the plant completes its re veg and is ready to flower. BTW, get some clones before you flower and you can do it all over again.

I will be back too, luv the re veg, its a waste not to!

My outside re veg's and a clone from the sick NL before it got bad, which i flowered inside under my LEDs. After growing it inside, then re veg and the clone gave me this. Not the first pic i thought, see my Sig for better pics. '10 Outdoor


LSY

[GaGrown]

GG is right, you gotta trim the sides and bottom or you will have issues down the road. Trust me as i am a student of Rusty too, have you read his thread yet, if not get on it asap. But i dont agree with any root hormone, just my opinion as you will be re potting in a couple weeks.

I did as Rusty did, but then put them outside. I didn't know what to expect, but what i got was monsters. Look in my Sig, they got huge with a ok yield only because i got ripped 3 times, but still got at least a qp a plant. Would have got at least 1 or 2 easy as the strains were nice, plus took 2 or 3 inside harvests before re vegging them outside. My NL got sick, it was rotted all up the main stem right below the ground and without a good trim you may have the same issue inside. But yeah trim all 4 sides and the bottom and put into fresh soil. Any flower nutes may slow the re veg too, just though of that so not sure. It might be ok now, but it will need re potted and by having the stress if any, i had non and i have pics to show you, it will be way worse when the plant completes its re veg and is ready to flower. BTW, get some clones before you flower and you can do it all over again.

I will be back too, luv the re veg, its a waste not to!

My outside re veg's and a clone from the sick NL before it got bad, which i flowered inside under my LEDs. After growing it inside, then re veg and the clone gave me this. Not the first pic i thought, see my Sig for better pics. '10 Outdoor


LSY

LST,
The reason I suggested KLN rooting hormone was that if there was a difference in my 2 inches and his,, Everybody's been fishin' before! They alway's get bigger,than when ya caught them. Less'en ya got a picture!

You ain't changed a bit! GOOD!


Peace My Brother!
Ga.

[Minnesnowta]

Thanks for the input on trimming up the roots and repotting in new soil. I will get on that right away tomorrow during the football games. I just went and picked up some soil without nutes as everything else I had came equipped with time released nutes and I'm pretty sure that is what murdered a couple of my seedlings recently. I've been entertained by the fact that the new sprouter leaves and such that have been growing right away on the plant don't even look like they're from a cannabis plant. No jagged edges and they're just solo leaves haha. I am just thinking of someone seeing my plant that isn't supposed to... I can explain to them that it isn't cannabis, its an exotic vegetable plant, and google image search cannabis for them to prove it haha.

Anyways, once I have repotted my plant tomorrow I will take pictures and introduce you to my lady friend. Glad to hear that others are enjoying this process as well. I can't begin to tell you how excited I was to learn of it.

[prettygirlsmokes420]

Hey guys, I got a silly question for Yall... Can a dwc plant be revegged? And if so what must be done to it as opposed to the dirt plant? Just curious.
;)

[GaGrown]

Yes it can! I would think that it would be even easier than soil. All ya got to do is flush the hydroton after you harvest and fill res with grow nutes. Set the clock back to 18/6 and let her ride!

Not a silly question..

Ga.

[LetsSeeYa]

LST,
The reason I suggested KLN rooting hormone was that if there was a difference in my 2 inches and his,, Everybody's been fishin' before! They alway's get bigger,than when ya caught them. Less'en ya got a picture!

You ain't changed a bit! GOOD!


Peace My Brother!
Ga.



GG im not understanding ya bro? Did i step on your toe? I was agreeing on the trim and put pic's up only because they were outside. And any root hormone will make you re pot to soon, which brings more stress, which is the very issue he is worried about.

And changed? Yeah i have, but thats what ya do when ya mature, right? Whats up am i miss reading this or my ''opinion'' got under your skin? I really didnt mean to, just a fact and came from Rusty.

Just trying to help bro as you know im a fellow re veg guy too and just putting my 2 cents in here.

Can ya brake down the post so i can understand?


LSY

[GaGrown]

Oh
GG im not understanding ya bro? Did i step on your toe? I was agreeing on the trim and put pic's up only because they were outside. And any root hormone will make you re pot to soon, which brings more stress, which is the very issue he is worried about.

And changed? Yeah i have, but thats what ya do when ya mature, right? Whats up am i miss reading this or my ''opinion'' got under your skin? I really didnt mean to, just a fact and came from Rusty.

Just trying to help bro as you know im a fellow re veg guy too and just putting my 2 cents in here.

Can ya brake down the post so i can understand?


LSY

I'm so so sorry you thought that was my intentions. I assure you it was'nt! I do appologize for coming off wrong.. I reread it and it did sound crazy.. So I do appologize.

Since they had never done the trim before it was to assure their end result would be a success. We'll always be GOOD in my book,brah! We go back some years! Oh... I said,You ain't changed,none! GOOD! So that was a good thang! It was more directed towards your disposition. That's a GOOD thang,too.. That fishin' comment was about telling a fishin' lie. Like... That sob was this big before it got off. So his 2 inches was more in the end..

Ga.

[LetsSeeYa]

Cool beans bro cuz i was like, WTF, we do go back and was thinkin ''what did i do/say for this'', lol. Gotta say first thought was dayum GG went fishin and got drunk, lol.

Now lets teach this dude how to work them re veg's!


LSY

[Lit Up]

Im in the middle of a re-veg project myself. Unfortunetly, one strain didnt pull through, so I fear I have lost that one for good. The other did fine and new growth is looking awesome. ( my least fav of the two) :(

I'm certain the other didnt take too well to the trimming of the roots. And I may have taken too much of the rootball when I trimmed her. I know, like many other growers, I aim to be perfect and when I lose not 1, but TWO!! plants, well frustrating. I believe it is more strain specific then anything. More sensitive "down there" than the other strain.

Well, thats what I'm up too, as well as my 2 cents. Not sure I gave any advice tho....

I have to say that this the first re-veg that had turned out. Even tho Ive only done 3 or 4. Im more of a clone from clone kind of guy. But due to certain circumstances I couldnt harvest clones before flower.

PS Currently am working on a few exotic Hawaiian blends my buddy has been breeding and recently blessed me with his prescence.....and seeds. So Weezard, I will def. keep you updated on how that goes.

Peace out

[Minnesnowta]

Unfortunately pics are going to take me another day or so to get up here... my laptop was stolen with my pics and recorded dates and things on it :(
So now I am using my desktop which does not have a slot for my cameras memory card to transfer my pics... and that sucks cuz I don't have the right type of usb cable to connect my camera to my desktop so I am kinda screwed at the moment for both options. At least the pics are still saved on the camera so once I get a cable I can post them, and I'm going to a friends place here shortly who thinks he may have an extra usb connector cable for me. Otherwise I'll have to use my shitty cell phone camera and email them to me so the picture quality won't be that great. One way or another I'll get my pics up, and hopefully soon because I had a couple questions about my plant that might be too difficult for me to just explain.

One thing I wanted to know was how soon should nutes be used with a reveg? Considering mine has been revegging for over two weeks now, but I just transplanted and trimmed the root ball today. Should I hold off on any nutes for a little while to let the roots settle in? Or perhaps just use a light nute mix? Or do you give it a good feeding right away?

I'm just a little uncertain since I didn't transplant until today, but it has lots of new growth from 2-3 weeks of veg.

In other good news... the one seed that I found in her finally poked out of the soil, only took about 2-3 weeks haha, I was about ready to throw it away when I noticed it trying to peek out of the dirt.

[GaGrown]

Just give them unsulfered molassas. Like Grandmas molassas. Mosy grocery stores around here have it. One tsp (teaspoon) per gal. for about a week or so. No nutes.

Ga.

[MaryJayne420]

On my first successful attempt in getting any females on my grow, I had cut clones off my flowering female (the smallest ones) and put those in rooting hormones and plain tap water for 10 days. Granted they were slow to grow at first, and wilted a bit, but now i have 4 new females all in bloom with my clones cut right at vegetative. I would say all together a cloned blooming female worked fine for me. GOOD LUCK!

[Lit Up]

On my first successful attempt in getting any females on my grow, I had cut clones off my flowering female (the smallest ones) and put those in rooting hormones and plain tap water for 10 days. Granted they were slow to grow at first, and wilted a bit, but now i have 4 new females all in bloom with my clones cut right at vegetative. I would say all together a cloned blooming female worked fine for me. GOOD LUCK!

Not getting it....

[GaGrown]

On my first successful attempt in getting any females on my grow, I had cut clones off my flowering female (the smallest ones) and put those in rooting hormones and plain tap water for 10 days. Granted they were slow to grow at first, and wilted a bit, but now i have 4 new females all in bloom with my clones cut right at vegetative. I would say all together a cloned blooming female worked fine for me. GOOD LUCK!

Did you take those cuttings from her while in flower?

Ga.

[Minnesnowta]

Sorry I hadn't posted anything for so long, with the disappearance of my laptop I hadn't really been able to get pictures onto here well. But anyways here are a few of my reveg that I took with a kinda shitty camera. I'll get some better ones once I pick up batteries for another camera I just got.


So far it is under 8 100w 6500k CFLs

[GaGrown]

I see she came back too! Killer job! You'll be happy that you've taken this reveggin' route! Lookin' good!

Ga.

[Minnesnowta]

Some of the issues I seem to be having with it are that it has so many new shoots growing in all kinds of different directions. And so far it keeps producing so many single leaves instead of fan leaves and such. There is a good 3 point leaf here and there but they're rarely together like they normally are. So I really wanted to grow this out a little more and than thin it out by taking clones off of it but so far its hard to find any decent cuttings to take.

I was thinking about trimming out some of the single leaves that aren't getting light and are just causing things to grow randomly but I wasn't sure if that would hurt it or help it. I think it is growing so weird cuz I saved quite a few bud sites further out on branches since thats the only areas where I had some leaves left.

Either way the strange growth is going to be confusing as far as determining when I want to put her back into flower and such.

Any random advice on maintenance for this thing would be great. Thanks!

[GaGrown]

Some of the issues I seem to be having with it are that it has so many new shoots growing in all kinds of different directions. And so far it keeps producing so many single leaves instead of fan leaves and such. There is a good 3 point leaf here and there but they're rarely together like they normally are. So I really wanted to grow this out a little more and than thin it out by taking clones off of it but so far its hard to find any decent cuttings to take.

I was thinking about trimming out some of the single leaves that aren't getting light and are just causing things to grow randomly but I wasn't sure if that would hurt it or help it. I think it is growing so weird cuz I saved quite a few bud sites further out on branches since thats the only areas where I had some leaves left.

Either way the strange growth is going to be confusing as far as determining when I want to put her back into flower and such.

Any random advice on maintenance for this thing would be great. Thanks!

NOOOO! Don't trim nothing.... Give it some time.. It really loves a fan! Those leaves will come out to look normal..Everytime I reveg they look single blade Crazy,too!

Ga.

[Minnesnowta]

Understandable, the problem is that the shoots can't grow upward, they keep twisting around each other and growing horizontally which makes them produce even more random shoots. At what point in the plants life do you start to trim areas that are only gonna produce weak little buds? I am hoping that some of these shoots will grow up enough to take decent clones from them and that will help thin things out a bit.

I'll have to fill you in on this plant's life story sometime, its survived a couple rabbit attacks, a deer attack, extreme wind knocking it over, and some other rough conditions prior to harvesting and then revegging it. This is the first plant I've ever grown and originally it was outside. I have several more going now that look real promising indoors. Hopefully I have enough light and all that going on inside. I still have quite a bit of work to do on the room I built for them.

[Lit Up]

Patience. Let it work it out.

[GaGrown]

If it would make you feel better... Then kinda tuck some of those single blades away from the knotted budsites. It'll veg back there. Your good. Did you trim the rootball and transplant?

Ga.

[Minnesnowta]

Yeah I did, its in a 5 gallon container now, I didn't trim the roots a whole lot but it should be good. Plenty of new soil in there around them. Are you very familiar with SOG style growing? Or at least growing out small plants/clones rather than allowing them to get to a more adult size? I'm curious about this and plan to try it out, and I know it varies a lot by strain but I wanted to know the average size people allow a sativa dom strain to veg to keep it small but get a good yield for the size of the plant?

FYI I just took some more pictures with a better camera to show how the new branches are growing and much closer details. I'll get those uploaded tonight yet.

[GaGrown]

Awwww Hell! That thang is gonna blow outta tha pot! Ya done good! You were just a lil' scared to cut too much,huh? I know....

Revegging would be a great way to get your stock for a SOG grow..You can keep that same mama for years. Take you some cuttings and flower them at 10 inches.Tuck them together..Use all your light area.15 or 20 plants would be a nice sog. You mentioned,sativa.. That would be a No No.. Your gonna want a more Indica dominant plant for that.They stay kinda squat and not grow straight to the light. Takes less time to harvest indica.

Ga.

[Minnesnowta]

One of my seedlings is an indica dom, its about 6" tall at the moment. I just know I've seen SOG sativas before, and this reveg isn't pure sativa. Just looking for things to experiment with. First time trying all these things so I think I know how to do most processes, the hard part can be finding the right time to start and so on. I'm gettin there though, I just have no point of reference for how large this thing will stretch in flower when its smaller. I guess the best thing to do is just try stuff out and document it for future reference haha.

[GaGrown]

I'm sure you can use a sativa in a SOG,but it's gonna take away from short time frame of a SOG. It's a perpetual kind of procedure. As the bud ripens. Just harvest the plants that are done and add new ones as you harvest. I know the SK#1 is a good plant to do a SOG with. You keep doin' what you know is right,and not what you think is right! Then you can't go wrong. I don't doubt you know your processes.Finding the right time to start,would have to do with how many plants you have to do the SOG. And how long it takes them to veg up to 10-12 inches tall. That's what I do.. Try stuff out.

Ga.

Ga.

[Minnesnowta]

My indica popped out of the ground today! Also I discovered the first 5 leaf set on my reveg, perhaps its preparing to start growing like a normal plant now and I'll be able to take some clones soon. Wish me luck!

[GaGrown]

You will!! I promise. You've done it no way but,right..Mostly ya be patient! Afterall..She ain't a Jeanie in a bottle... However.. I'd love to have one!

I love Indica! Hope that puppy is a Gurlie Gurl!

Ga.

[Minnesnowta]

New updates coming tomorrow finally, and I promise to start being more diligent about updates on my reveg. Been a very busy couple months for me with shutting down my summertime seasonal business and trying to find some sort of random job to hold me over for the winter time. So I apologize that this thread has become boring.

So far my reveg has really taken off growing upwards now since the last pics I posted. I think I'm going to count the new branches, but it definitely has a lot more than it did when I grew it originally. Fungus gnats have been the only big problem I have had to deal with. The reveg has a large enough root system to handle them but their larva eat roots in the soil so clones and seedlings have been damaged. I finally found a good organic product to take care of those and they're pretty much all gone now. Several clones and quality seeds were lost in the process =(. I also built a new grow room and will be finishing the flowering zone tomorrow so I'll post some pics of that, nothing too fancy but it definitely gets the job done.

Just thought about this now but I had a question about cloning and sexing. If I am growing a new plant and take clones during veg (before I know the sex of the plant) and then when I put it into flower it turns out to be a male... will the clones definitely be male as well? Or how does that all work. I just want to make sure that once I get my mini-SOG going that I don't get stuck with a batch of all males at some point.

Also, if any of you have any threads or grow logs about reveg's you've done I'd love to see em. If you could link me to your threads so I can easily take a look at those that would be great.

Thanks again everyone for your continued input and advice, I can't imagine what I'd do without the ability to throw questions at you guys haha.

[mickrick]

hi lads nice thread,i also sog have done for yrs now i like to do 25 in a 1mtr tent in 6 ltr willmas they fit perfect into the tent in a 1mtr garland try.
Ive been using chemdog for past 5 yr sat dom and i veg for 10 days after Ive potted them up from aero cloner.they stop stretching at 2ft,ish..and 1 oz a plant once ya get used to the strain you choose..

[Minnesnowta]

Mickrick... excellent reply for me, I appreciate the info you shared with me on that. Sounds like you have a good thing going on and I've always heard great things from Chemdog. I'd love to get my hands on some of those seeds or clones to produce some of that. I like hearing the important details of peoples SOG gardens like that, since I'm new to all this it makes it sound pretty exciting. I can't wait til I get it going....

Unfortunately... I may be stalled in my processes here. I made an unfortunate discovery on my reveg which is... the dreaded spider mites. At least I think its spider mites, I suppose its possible it could be thrips at this point being that the symtoms are similar in early stages and I have yet to clearly see one of the insects. And I just got done dealing with what I believe were nasty root eating fungus gnats that desecrated some of my clones/seedlings. In addition to the spider mite, I used my organic pest spray and didn't remember to dilute it down to a weaker solution before spraying down my plants. The end result was some leaves have gone limp and shrivvled up. Also some of the leaves have some brown burned looking spots on them now....

This was all discovered and done late last night, so as you can see it was a rough day. I'm just praying that I caught the mites early enough and that I was able to kill them off without causing too much damage to my plants in the process. I'm sure they'll pull through and survive, they'll just be a little bit stressed for a couple days. You know.. its too bad we all deal with plant stress issues and sometimes they can be difficult to correct once the stress has begun. For being a cannabis plant, you'd think they'd be pretty stress free, right? haha I wish I could just smoke them up and they'd be happy and problem free again.

btw if anyone knows of a good organic spray for mites and thrips please let me know! I've been using some that I found I need to dilute a little bit and I'm still mixing the balance to try to get that perfect. I'd prefer to find something quality that is actually ready to use without diluting.

Wish me luck!

[Minnesnowta]

Mickrick: Couple more things for you... the picture you had attached is extremely small, thumbnail size. If you could repost a larger one that would be great. I'd like to see your girls more closely.

Also do you have any threads going about your SOG garden? Or possibly some more pics you could post here? I'd like to see and learn more about it.

Same goes for anyone who has a SOG thread going, post me a link here so I can check it out. Or just post some pictures.

Thanks ya'll

[Minnesnowta]

Well here are a few pictures that were taken today of the damages that happened from my organic spray to kill the starting spider mite colony. I used a brand called EcoSmart and planned to play with diluting it but I got a little bit nervous when I saw the mites and just went into attack mode. Good news is there have been no signs of living spider mites in the last 3 days since I sprayed. Also almost no fungus gnats, maybe one here and there as it hatches and was too deep in the soil to be killed but thats it.

Anyways I believe my plants will all bounce back and wont actually die, but they're definitely hurting.

So here are the pics...

[GaGrown]

So... This is the reveg you thought wasn't gonna come back and play? Looks Great!

Ga.

[Minnesnowta]

Yeah shes doing real well outside of the leaf damages. I'm hoping that the really new growth popping out of the tops wasnt damaged too bad where it wont be able to continue growing upward shoots right now. There are about 10 cuttings I want to take from the high point on the top, I'm going to let it sit for a few more days before taking those.

The other thing that sort of concerns me is that the new growth is very light green or yellowish as it starts out, eventually it turns to a nice darker green, not sure if this is somewhat normal or what. Perhaps lacking a little bit of nitrogren maybe?

[Minnesnowta]

Damn it.... I found two living spider mites... I wonder how many others survived. I think I will need to try something new to get rid of them since the spray I used the first time burned my plants so bad.

Any good recommendations?

[GanjaRobPDX]

Just because you can do it doesnt mean you should.

Revegging stresses plants greatly! This leads to hermies.

If you are serious about growing, learn to take clones.

Every time you reveg you lose quality, and growth rates decrease. For those who are just tinkering, tinker away.
If this is more than a hobby to you revegging should literally be a last resort to fill your garden.

Not trying to be a puppy kicker, just pointing out the facts.
I would have saved a lot of time experimenting if I knew the downside.
If revegging was a good idea, no one would bother cloning.

[GaGrown]

Damn it.... I found two living spider mites... I wonder how many others survived. I think I will need to try something new to get rid of them since the spray I used the first time burned my plants so bad.

Any good recommendations?

Neem oil... and protekt. The protekt is an emulsifier... Oh.. Hang a couple of Hot Shot No Pest Strips in with them.. You'll be glad ya did!

[GaGrown]

GanjaRob...
When you go to the doctor,because your sick... Your body is stressed! He perscribes you medication,for your ailment..Then the next thing ya know.. Your feelin' better! You've been revegged!

Same thing with a plant.. A clone from a clone from a clone,and so on... That is way more stressful for the strain. What I mean by that is.. You are slowly degrading the potency of that strain. Thats why we keep Mama's.. Revegging keeps them close to the original donor Stress can be dealt with! Destruction has'nt a chance. Don't knock it till ya try it! It's a GOOD THANG!

[Minnesnowta]

There are too many factors involved with your final products' potency, and in a perfect world you may be right. I'm doing this to experiment for my own enjoyment, and to further learn the basics of growing cannabis. I didn't even think to take clones from it my first time around because I didn't really plan on setting up a grow room.

But think of it this way... lets say you could measure the conditions of your growing environment on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the most perfect conditions. So even if you lose potency from revegging and the first time it grows the conditions are at a 5/10. Then after you reveg and learn a little more about it you can alter the conditions to a 9/10. Where will the better bud come from?

At any rate this is no more than a hobby to me. I only do this because I enjoy the experiment, and I don't rely on having a perfect finished product for any reason.

[Minnesnowta]

Hey GaGrown I've seen a lot in various posts about those no pest strips, I always thought they were those sticky yellow fly traps but I see they're not so I am about to go pick some up from the hardware store. How long would you say it takes for them to have an effect on the mites? Also it says that one strip is good for a 10x13' area, my veg room is aprox. 4x5'. Are they accurate on that or should I use a couple in there?

Thanks again GaGrown for all the help, and thanks for backing me up on the revegging idea haha. From the sounds of it there are a fair number of people that think revegging is a waste and lessens the quality of buds but I don't think anyone has any real proof of that. So hopefully with your help here I can show that it is a reasonable option. And so far it looks as though this reveg will produce more bud the 2nd time around if everything goes well.

[Dutch Pimp]

How long would you say it takes for them to have an effect on the mites?

If you have spider mites?...I don't think the no-pest strips will be enough. They probably work for prevention?..maybe?

[Minnesnowta]

I have an organic insecticide spray I use as well.

[GaGrown]

I have two hanging in my flower room,which is LxWxH 7x5x4... That neem is what cha need to start a preventive regimin. Once you have gotten shed of them then,just use the pest strips..

[Minnesnowta]

These things are kinda creepy and very annoying, I never see them move unless I aggravate them. I also hardly ever find a living spider mite. So close to getting rid of them but haven't completely yet apparently. They remind me of head lice and I get paranoid every time my head goes within range of my plants haha.

I will take some new pics again tonight and post them. Since the "hard times" when my plants took a beating from bugs and sprays, they were kinda stalled out for a couple days, and now just over last night they've made a lot of progress and turned a much healthier shade of green. Its amazing how quick that happens.

Also my first real, quality, non-bagseed girls popped out of the soil yesterday all at the same time. Pretty remarkable the difference in germination time/success with quality seeds vs bagseed. Just under 3 days for them to sprout with no pre-potting germination techniques used. Just went straight into a nice seedling soil mix.

Anyways, check back later for more pics!

[mickrick]

i got rid of mine eventually after trying a few things,the spray ya used not sure what it called but i tried similar and burnt all new growing tips to fk..any way plant vitality plus and mite shield did the trick for me..and for the gnats cover the soil with chippings(wash well first) it stops the breeding cycle and they die off..

[Minnesnowta]

The fungus gnats I took care of with a combination of spray, yellow sticky fly trap strips, and dryer sheets. Since my 2nd treatment for the mites I haven't seen any signs of survivors. Sadly, one of my more matured plants showed HIS true form last night, and now I will need to kill my first male plant ever. So sad.. especially since I had to battle through a series of setbacks to keep it healthy and alive.. only to murder it in the end. Oh well.

[Minnesnowta]

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My bad, I thought I posted pics before I fell asleep a couple nights ago but apparently I never fully submitted them. So anyways here are a couple pics from 2 days ago, also a couple pics of a sample clone I took from it so I can flower it and gather intel to use in planning my SOG. Looking at my reveg.. its hard to decide what I want to do with it in the near future. It looks like a prime candidate to try out a SCROG. Or great as a mother because it has so many different branches now. Or just let it continue, take some clones, and flower it.. maybe even flower it outdoors again.

[Minnesnowta]

As a side note I started 3 purple widow seeds in soil with no pre-planting germination on the 6th, they all sprouted on the 8th and look healthy as can be.. except for one that fell over right at the base randomly. I propped it up for a couple hours and it straightened itself back up and hasn't slowed down at all. I will log those as well but probably in a separate thread.

[Minnesnowta]

I need help deciding what I should do with this thing.. I wanna get at least one more round of clones off of it and since I took the last ones, lots of new shoots sprung up to take their places. Obviously I'd really like to flower it out but I just don't know when.. What would you guys do? I'll post some fresh pics tomorrow afternoon so you can see exactly where its at. I'll take all kinds of pics so you can see it completely and can recommend a ballpark timeframe on when it might be best to begin flowering. Or if I should maybe start using a screen and scrog this thing out before I flower it.

[Minnesnowta]

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/199669-my-first-grow-what-do-you-think.html

I figured it might not be a bad idea to show you what my reveg plant originally looked like and turned out as. So here is a link to a post I made a while back while I was harvesting it, there are 5 pics. At the point these pictures were taken I had already chopped a couple branches off for trial runs on the finished product. They're not the greatest pics in the world either, I didn't have a decent camera at the time so I apologize for that. But as I'm sure I mentioned before it was just bagseed, but I really liked the smell/flavor of it, as well as the feeling I got from it. Nice, mellow, clean feeling that didn't come on overwhelmingly strong and seems to have a nice balance of the different effects I want to help improve my overall quality of life and health.

Understand that early in this things life I didn't pay much attention to it and didn't really invest much thought in the idea that it would produce such a great product. Also I wasn't prepared to take care of it when I did finally realize that it was going to be a good thing so it isn't the greatest looking flower in the world. That is a big reason why I am so optimistic about the results I will get from revegging it. I think I have greatly improved its growing conditions in every possible way, except for maybe lighting because you can't beat good sunlight no matter how hard you try.. at least I don't think you can. Anyways, lemme know what you think of it, thanks!

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/199669-my-first-grow-what-do-you-think.html

[Gatekeeper777]

Try SAFERS SOAP. I use it . it's safe. try lowes or home depot or on line.

[Minnesnowta]

safers soap for what? never heard of it.

[Minnesnowta]

Heres a couple more pics from last night of the revegger, couple more days until I know how many of the clones I recently cut from her were successful, and if at least half are a success, which.. I don't know why they wouldn't be, I will be putting it into flower modez then within a week. Once that happens then this whole process/thread should become at least a little bit more interesting. Once I get into flower I'll be more detailed with my logging since I have my flower mode strategy pretty well solidified, whereas the vegging is much more forgiving to experiment with so I haven't had a real standard schedule for things. Also didn't know anything about revegging going into this so everything is kinda an experiment.

Anyways, I'm open to suggestions for what I could do for pre-flowering preparation before I send her into bloom. I still feel like I should train it through a screen or tie off some branches to spread them out and allow for more light access but I haven't done much of that either so I'm unsure and need some inspiration/motivation/encouragement haha.

The 5th picture is of the first clone I removed from the reveg so I could veg it out a bit and put it into flower early so I can collect some more detailed data on flowering time and all that stuff. Hopefully it'll help me to better plan out a small SOG. That thing was officially moved into flower today, its somewhere between 8-9 inches tall at the moment, hopefully thats a reasonable size to start flowering for SOG. ***(P.S. That sickly looking thing behind it was damaged badly from the insecticide spray attack when it was a baby, it hardly even had two sets of leaves at the time and took forever to come back to life, I thought the nodes were dead. But after a few mutated growths, its starting to look really healthy. I plan to add that to the SOG rotation as well since the flowering time is a couple weeks shorter than my reveg.)

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[GaGrown]

safers soap for what? never heard of it.

The mites...lol

[Minnesnowta]

Damn it, I went and bought some and have been taking baths with it myself, thought thats what you meant. I wasn't sure why but then I thought hmmm maybe its to make sure I am not carrying anything bad into the grow room with me. Wish you would have told me it was for the mites originally... I've almost used all of it by now.

[Minnesnowta]

I got a screen and I think I am going to start spreading this thing out into a SCROG. Its such a full bush I feel like I need to do this in order to flower effectively. I'll post some pics about it.

[thermite]

Look forward to seeing your scrog. That's what I intend to do in the limited space I have.

[Minnesnowta]

Yeah, I have a couple questions to get answered about the SCROG. I'm currently working on building a little cart with the screen built into it, similar to what FarmerRich has going on. He showed me some pics of his grows and I thought it was a cool idea. But basically I wanted to make sure that my plant wasn't too old to start SCROGing. Hopefully the stems havent gotten too stiff yet and are still able to flex easily so I can bend them into the holes. In order to figure out the size of the screen I need to use... I'm just going to use a large piece of screen, fill it with my reveg, and then cut off the excess screen. I figure that'd be the best way to go about it.

Anyways, I just got back to home depot with some supplies to work on this stuff so I better get to it. If anyone has any advice, techniques, or suggestions to go along with my SCROG please let me know. I have never done a SCROG before but it looks pretty damn neat.

[thermite]

There are lots of SOG/SCROG/LST/HST/Supercropping vids on Youtube. Take a look.

[Gatekeeper777]

Thanks to this post and others like it. I have been inspired to reveg. I harvested today. I also kept the lower two branches with some popcorn buds on them to reveg with. I also cut about 8 inches off her roots on bottom and about 1 inch off the sides..I hope to be taking clones by March. seeds are a rare commodity here.

[Minnesnowta]

You should really post some pics of how you are starting out your reveg directly after harvest. At least for me that was the most intimidating part of it. There are several others here that are new to the reveg thing and its great to see all the different pics. Feel free to post them here if you want, I'm not concerned about thread jacking or anything. A group of minds working together is much better than just me hahaha.

[rattlingdags]

:thumbsup: I've just enjoyed reading through your thread from the beginning and just wanted to say what a great job you did/are doing. The re-veg girl looks a real beast and the young clones are doing really well. Hope you have the time to keep this going, it would be fun seeing her scrog and flower again.

[Minnesnowta]

Ok well I figured I'd post a few pictures of the first test clone I took from my reveg. Just a little background... I took this one early by itself so I could get it into flower and document its reactions to different things, as well as flowering time and all that since I didn't pay that close of attention when I first grew the plant out. Since then I took another 2 waves of clones that are a couple weeks apart from eachother and are still in veg. I plan to keep them small and do a sort of small SOG type grow with them. Which is why its important to me to figure out precise flowering times for this strain.

The pictures below again are the Reveg Test clone, which is pictured above in previous posts of mine. It is currently 12 days into flowering and appears to be moving along at a good pace. Two days ago it really started pumpin' out trichomes. This should also help determine whether the idea that revegging causes potency and quality loss, is in fact true or not. Its early in flower, but so far I'd say this reveg clone looks better than the original did. Lemme know what you think!

Reveg Test Clone - Flower Time: 12 days under 400W HPS

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Also, as for the SCROG on the main reveg plant... that is still a work in progress, attempt #1 was sort of a failure due to poor planning. I found it is a lot harder to start a SCROG with a plant as large as mine already is. I need to use smaller mesh, and I don't believe it will be much of a true SCROG, as far as using the screen to train how it grows. Basically the screen will be used to spread the existing growth to allow for better light penetration, rather than continuous training of tops to make new tops. It probably already has 20-30 tops, and they're all relatively even in height. The screen will spread it a little bit and allow the shorter tops to push through, once those tops push though it will be put into flower. I plan to use 3 different HPS lights on it, one 400W and two 150 Watters for supplemental light around the sides. Shes a monster bush right now... and shes got a few signs of preflowers already. I have a big annual business meeting tonight so I probably won't get to posting pics of that until tomorrow afternoon, so if you're interested in it make sure to check back then! Good luck to all who are experiencing revegging right now and hopefully this will provide some inspiration to push it harder!

[thermite]

Nice touch with the venus fly trap! Great idea for airborne pests :thumbsup:

[Minnesnowta]

Haha thanks, thats actually part of a project I'm working on, which may have been a mistake because its not a high priority and I've been busier than hell lately so I never have time to work on it. I've been a few days behind on a lot of things and that can translate into problems with plants, thankfully I haven't had any real issues yet from that, in fact everything is doing great. The project is that I bought a few of those venus fly traps because I've always had fungus gnats around and could never really completely get rid of them. No matter what I could always shake one or two out of the soil to kill, which isn't a problem at all, but it got me thinking... maybe I should let them repopulate a little bit, and then flood all open space in my veg room with carnivorous monster plants, (venus fly traps, haha). Anyways, with the few venus fly traps I have I am cloning them to make many many more, and then hopefully they'll have a good meal from the fungus gnats. Then I will just have to focus on keeping the fungus gnats out of the smaller plants with lesser developed root systems, because when they lay eggs that hatch, their larva live in the soil and munch on living roots. And speaking from experience... they can easily destroy a fresh rooting clone or young seedling. I have another post about my evil venus fly trap plan in "Basic Growing" where I'll be posting pictures about it. Check it out in a few days if you want, I should have enough of it done to show off some pics by then.

On a different note... How's my test plant doing for 12 days of flower? I wish I would have shaped it up just a little bit differently, since I would have shortened up the main top a little more to be even with the rest of the tops but oh well. Long as I can pin-point the flower time and what she does and doesn't like for future reference.

[thermite]

You clone from the reveg looks great!

[Minnesnowta]

Thanks, I appreciate the comment, I can't wait to see my reveg in flower... its got so many good tops that I've been too lazy to even start trying to count them. And I didn't top anything myself, its all natural, I just hope that the 700watts of HPS lighting I plan to dedicate to her will be enough to show off her full potential indoors. In fact I've actually cut a ton of them off just to make sure I had solid air flow since I often times run high humidity in my veg room. That and when I had a small spider mite outbreak I wanted to make sure I didn't have anywhere on the plant where those little bastards could really hide out and prosper. I'm hoping I'll build a proper SCROG setup now that I made some mistakes in my first attempt and am able to learn from them.

Again I'd like to thank FarmerRich for the inspiration to build a cart on wheels with a screen mounted on top for a SCROG. Soon as he showed me a pic of his setup I thought... "Yup, that makes sense right there." haha.

[Minnesnowta]

Ok so I know I said I'd likely have more pics this afternoon for my reveg and scrog progress... as I said the reason I couldn't post the other day was I had to leave real fast for a meeting overnight. So I left my girlfriend with a real simple task that didn't have time to do before I left... basically there was no real need to build a scrog machine anymore right now.... heres what I came home to find.

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The small one in one of the pictures is a clone I have from a sativa strain that I decided to stop production on because I didn't want to deal with its size right now when I'm experimenting with so many other different things. That clone is the last I had of it, the day before I killed off all the other plants I had of that variety, now... I have nothing.

[thermite]

Balls! Most of that has got to be recovereable, right? Even the small ones, you've got to give them a chance! I've seen a few horror stories of when people have had to go away and leave things to other people to deal with which is sad when you see all the work and care that people put into this. :(

[Minnesnowta]

The little one is gone, and so dies those genetics for me... which is very sad because I worked hard with that, in more of a frustration battle than simply work for progress. Lots of stress was put onto me by that strain, but I hung in there and had a plan... now its dead, no chance of survival, its been in a humidity tent all day since then and is just a noodle. My main reveg took some serious tinkering to bring back to life though. I've seen this before, in fact her first time growing... I have done things like this to her, just not this bad. And I would think the bigger the plant, the harder it is to recover... also the harder it is to harm. I adjusted the soil like I've never adjusted soil before, using 3 different soil PH testing methods, and 2 methods of testing fertility and the concentration of specific nutes, or even potential sodium buildups. Adjusted temperature, humidity, light distribution and strength, reduced any and all stress that I could from the few branches that I had tied into place. Then I whipped out all the nutes I had and, using some high school science class techniques, split out the excess nutes from solutions that I didn't need, and boosted the ones that I did need, in an effort to reduce the work it would have to do when dealing with excess nutes in the soil. Mixed it up light and distributed it to the roots in a slow even fashion to ensure it had a solid opportunity to draw in the solution even though its weak. So far some of the growth has bounced back strong, some is still gimpy... I think areas that were close to lights that naturally get hot were damaged worse, as well as areas that were more exposed to constant air flow vs being shielded by other branches/leaves. With what I've seen so far I expect a full recovery, and when it is recovered I plan to sledgehammer the soil and start over fresh with it to ensure she gets exactly what she wants...... God damn I hope I never have a daughter that cries in a toy store or I'm screwed.

I'm just really bummed out to lose my only sativa, since I personally don't have a means to order seeds online. Even though its legal for me, I still don't think it would look good if my company was audited and my business credit card statement said I bought marijuana seeds and used them as a tax write off, haha. "And these cannabis seeds... they do what to help the blacktopping industry for you...?" -IRS man.... try answering that question.

[Minnesnowta]

Oh wow I almost forgot one more thing I wanted to say. With the addition of my girlfriends failure to follow through with my requests.. (the 2nd request was that she make sure my flower room door is closed for darkness hours so their light cycles aren't messed up... she didn't do that either) and of course the care of my reveg and clones...


Basically, the words I would like to get across to all of you today to express my gratitude for the world and people around me are as follows.....

!!!! F.M.L. !!!!

[thermite]

Well it sounds like you've made every effort to get things back on track. Sorry to see it's a bit of a mess. Keep us posted on the progress. BTW... Is there nobody else who can be trusted to order seeds on your behalf? No head shops or anything you can go to in person to get stuff ordered and pay cash?

[Minnesnowta]

Perhaps I could try that I suppose... however honestly I would prefer taking a shot in the dark on sending a random person cash in the mail and have them pick something up or order for me. If I lose the money, big deal... I don't trust people around here, too many thieves. I've owned my current house for 1.5 years, got robbed last easter of all my tools during my home remodel project, which I started with a plan and ended up doing like 4X as much remodeling, so it got expensive. Then all of the sudden I have no more tools so the remodel stops, and I had to spend a ton of money to rebuy tools, and some of the ones were tools I use for my business which are extremely expensive. Then a couple months after that I had gotten home late, and was in my garage when all of the sudden the back door opened up a crack, then a hand came through with a flashlight.. my immediate/accidental response was to actually say "hello?", so they slammed the door. I pulled my gun out from my hip and took off after him but in that short amount of time he was gone, couldn't see or hear any movement. Definitely jumped into the small patch of woods behind my house and laid down... police wouldn't even bother searching in the woods they just drove around the block and then left... fuckin bullshit. I shut off all my outside lights and made it seem like I had gone back inside for the night, and snuck around the side of my garage and sat in the dark waiting... til my GF flipped the back light on and asked what I was doing.... derrrrrrrrr. I stood at the edge of the woods after that and had some very... 'colorful' statements to make towards the guy and then went in. Also had a 3rd robbery attempt but I've already rambled on too much. Ever since I bought my blacktopping company I haven't had much time to keep up with friends and what not, so its hard to truly trust anyone here for me.. I've been burned so many times in the past. I could care less if they take the money I give them for the order... I just dont want them to tell the wrong person about what I do and get robbed at gunpoint for it... so sad to see weed thieves come jack entire plants that aren't even fully matured enough to smoke well, just chop em off at the base and leave with it... morons.

Anyways, bottom line is I just don't want people around here, other than my small group of medical cannabis users. I got a couple free plane tickets from credit card rewards I was thinking about taking a little vacation somewhere that has amazing cannabis seed strain varieties available for purchase. As far as I understand though.. you cannot travel on a plane with seeds, correct? Even if I am legally permitted to within my state?

[Minnesnowta]

I've just enjoyed reading through your thread from the beginning and just wanted to say what a great job you did/are doing. The re-veg girl looks a real beast and the young clones are doing really well. Hope you have the time to keep this going, it would be fun seeing her scrog and flower again. - Rattlingdags

I forgot to thank you for the comment when I read it a little while back, its great to hear that kinda response from people here. I haven't been growing for very long at all but I feel like everyone here has helped me along so much recently that I can almost consider myself a reasonably experienced grower.. or perhaps experienced isn't the right word because I haven't tried everything that I know now. I enjoy the ability to offer up advice and answer questions about problems people may be having, so I take the opportunity to do so anytime I can, just so long as I am sure that what I am saying is correct and not setting someone up for a mistake. Ya'll are the ones that filled my head with this knowledge in the first place, well, and google, but thats a given... nobody can compete with googles wealth of knowledge haha.

Anyways Rattling... Thank you and I appreciate it. I may not know you personally and you may live who knows how far away.. but it still means a lot to me to hear comments like that when I put so much time and effort into my growing. Which is great because I don't grow for money or anything, hell my primary goal isn't even consuming the bud once its finished.. mostly I just simply enjoy growing it and expanding my knowledge on plant biology so I can share it with others. I do believe cannabis should be a legal choice that people can make on their own, and when that happens nationwide, our country will need people like us to explain the true pros and cons of cannabis as it relates to medical practice.

[thermite]

Anyways, bottom line is I just don't want people around here, other than my small group of medical cannabis users. I got a couple free plane tickets from credit card rewards I was thinking about taking a little vacation somewhere that has amazing cannabis seed strain varieties available for purchase. As far as I understand though.. you cannot travel on a plane with seeds, correct? Even if I am legally permitted to within my state?


Seeds are tiny and easily secreted! ;)

[Minnesnowta]

Oh yeah I know how that works forsure, I just wanted to confirm the actual laws just for reference. Imagine a hardcore heroin addict or something smuggling heroin up his ass in portugal's big airport only to be x-rayed and then informed that its legal by the concerned, confused, security guard after a REALLY uncomfortable trip. Embarrassment? I'd think so haha, nobody wants to get caught smuggling something legal, you'd look like such a moron... plus security probably wouldn't know what to do with you. I'm sure its not a real common occurance.

[1thcbomb]

yea as long as u leave some amount of greenery on ur plant after harvest it will grow again. just put back on 18 hours light and leave it to heal its self, this stage could take upto 3 weeks depending upon the damage but once it has recovered it will come back stronger and will be able to harvest the same plant over and over as long as u leave something on the plant to start the growth again. good luck with ur 2nd harvest. :rastasmoke:

[1thcbomb]

easy to get seeds through airport cheacks, just have them lose in among ur clothes, they wont even notice them. ;)
;)

[Minnesnowta]

Haha thats a good thought, of course then I'd probably never find them again. I'd need to put like 50 of them in my clothes so that I'll at least find a few hidden in there somewhere.

Just as an update on my reveg.. I gave up on the SCROG thing for now, it was just too much work for a plant that is this mature, and funny enough it is from bagseed, but its one of my favorites. Currently I also have two others strains that I haven't grown out to harvest yet but they're both in early flowering stages now, so maybe I'll like one of those better but for now I'm just keeping my reveg as a big mother. That being the case... I've also been toying with the idea of flowering it outdoors this summer as long as I start a new mother from it that I can manage the size/shape of better than the original reveg.

I just did a large chunk of pruning on the reveg and took some before/after pics so I'll post those in a little bit. So far the first clone off of my reveg that I am growing out is in about 4 weeks of flowering. I am flowering out an early clone so that I can accurately document the flowering time, nutrient details, and so on to prepare for a small SOG style grow using the reveg mother, but I wanna have the timing right, and make sure that I veg the clones to the perfect size to flower them efficiently in a SOG. There are pics of this "Reveg Test Clone #1" in a different thread on basic growing but I figured I could post updates here as well just to keep the connection.

I wish I knew the strain.. all I do know is that it has a smell that is very very similar to the trainwreck I've become very familiar with in recent years. Also it appears to be moving along in flowering faster than one of my more indica dom. hybrids.

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