It's time to Occupy!

[KyleIsNorml]

I'm interested to see how many people on this forum support this Occupy Movement and how many sheeple that don't.

As for myself I support the idea's that are flowing around within this movement. As a matter of fact I plan on going to Occupy: Phoenix on the 16th to get some coverage of the peaceful protest that will be going on.

So far to my knowledge I know of a few major Occupy Movements that are going around our country. New York, Chicago, Los Angles California, Texas and a few cities in my state. I've read of rumors that there are almost 1,000 cities/towns in America that has this happening and it's growing! Not to mention on the eastern side of the world as most should know by heart.

Provide what ever information that you see fit that applies to this topic. If you happen to have personal video coverage or photo's or would like to share what you've found on the internet please do. Look at the matter how ever you like, but I've been predicting that this was going to happen in America 3 years ago and it looks like my prediction came true and I have another prediction but I object to share as so I don't be claimed or viewed as a Fear Monger. I'll see how steady this topic goes and then I might consider. For those who have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about I'll share a few video's down below.

RT America - Oct 13, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgBFrcNY398&feature=channel_video_title

RT America - Oct 13, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WStY6M0ItKw&feature=feedu

RT America - Oct 13, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHwyizhTRnY&feature=feedu

RT America - Oct 13, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV3XONWrpEw&feature=feedu

[KyleIsNorml]

Here is RT America's website for those who would like to further look into what's going on.

USA (http://rt.com/usa/)

[DenverRelief]

Early this morning police in riot gear broke up the Occupy camp in Lincoln Park (In front of the Colorado capitol building).

23 were arrested.

LISTEN: Hear the voices of the Occupy Denver protesters | 9news.com (http://www.9news.com/news/article/224563/188/LISTEN-Hear-the-voices-of-the-Occupy-Denver-protesters)

[Purple Daddy]

Why are they protesting?

Do you think most of these people REALLY understand why they are protesting or is it a giant street party?

I think they need to go protest in Washington D.C. that is where policy is made.

Honestly, comparing this to Egypt?

[KyleIsNorml]

If you do a little research about this matter then you'd understand the reasoning behind this movement. By the way, there are people protesting in Washington DC. So far there are about 911 cities around the world within 82 countries globally ready for tomorrow October 15th. There are estimated 1,500+ cities/towns alone in America that are occupied or to be soon.

The reason they are comparing this to Egypt and other various countries is because they went through the same day events. What has happened on the other side of the world is the beginning of what's happening in America. Several other countries around the world may have been protesting for a new regime change but in America we're protesting that the 1% proclaimed as the rich need to be taken out or flat even with the 99% proclaimed as the middle class or the working class. Houses across the country are being taken away from people because they can't afford the rates that the banks are asking for from the people so they lose their house and now their in debt not to mention any personal items being repossessed. You have people losing jobs because they're being sent over seas to the Asian community and the Middle East. As gas prices slowly rise up in various parts of the country you have people not being able to afford other such debt and so more is now on their shoulders. We have collage students that can't pay for their tuition because the classes they've taken have already put them in debt and on top of that the classes don't create jobs for these people they just give them a higher percentage of the possibilities of getting into what they went to school for. It's every where and if you or anyone else fails to realize this then only time will bring the truths that I speak as well as many others around the globe. This isn't something that should be shrugged off like it's some petty injury. The truth might be hard to swallow but it's possible because millions around the world are starting to realize what is happening here. Some people even end up in jail, hospitals and even dead just to bring out the single truths that are kept away from the masses. I hope that what I have been typing and sharing with everyone on the forum that stumbles across this topic at least realize that there is something going on and it's real big... really big.

Oct 14th, 2011 RT America News coverage on the global occupy movement

http://youtu.be/C6zRVWH9Vtw

Oct 14th, 2011 RT America News

http://youtu.be/QQSNTGJtSFk

Oct 14, 2011 RT America News

http://youtu.be/qMsr3tuWt9E

RT America News Image of the Occupy Movement and it's still growing.
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15th october: #United we will re-invent the world
(http://15october.net/)
So basically my point in standing is do the math. This isn't just a little street party and these people do understand what their protesting about. Their are two main ideas floating around in the movement at least in America if not more that is to end the federal reserve (banking system) and to bring down the rich from their high chairs. Owners of major corporations shouldn't be sitting back generating millions and billions of dollars why the common man has to do all the hard labor and make shit for money with his blood and sweat. This movement is here, this movement is real and it's not going to stop because it's only the beginning for what is to come if we don't make a stand.

Do your homework, use the internet for what it was suppose to be used for! For the people that have a hard time understand anything and want to try and disprove anything related to this information please do as you will but read these words of mine and don't rule anything out. Take a deeper look into history and you shall soon see the truths of the world.

[KyleIsNorml]

DenverRelief thank you for sharing that with us. Early this morning I over saw a couple news articles and videos about that protest. I don't know how you feel about this situation but if you ever come across anything new relating to this information then please share it with us. I reside in Arizona so it isn't so easy for me to find out much about anything outside my state unless it's something a lot bigger.

Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about this movement? Are you for it, against it or neutral? Feed back on this subject might be helpful for others who are confused or lost in the the idea of such a thing.

[Purple Daddy]

I'm sorry, I don't buy into this philosophy.

So you're saying a guy like Herman Cain who worked for everything he has should give it up because others haven't?

You're telling me my uncle who fought in Vietnam, graduated from college and started a construction business isn't entitled to live off the fruits of his labor?

What you are talking about is redistribution of wealth and that is a VERY, VERY slippery slope to walk down.

So the government is to play Robin Hood, take the wealth away from the people who earned it and give it to those who haven't?


What incentive would ANYONE have to ever start a business?

[CanGroIt]

These "Occupy" protests are beautiful aren't they.... It is exactly what our government wants from the people.... If you believe in the, "Inside Out, Bottom Up, Top Down" theory....

Supposedly, our government creates a separation between the rich and the rest with propaganda, rate hikes, financial meltdowns, tax payer funded bailout programs, job losses....making it hard for the common folk to get by comfortably.... This is the, "Inside Out", part.... Then once the common folk are tired of seeing the people on top living the good life while they struggle, they are expected to rise up together....hence the "Bottom Up" portion.... Then you have the final "Top Down".... This is where our government puts their firm hands down on the people....

What will become of these protests???....I don't know.... But I do know that the, "Inside Out", has already occured and we are now seeing the beginning of the, "Bottom Up".... It's just a matter of time that we'll see how the, "Top Down", will play out....if this theory proves to play out....

CGI::::::

[Blazed Deafy]

Dont forget about wars, Iraq and Afghanistan. They are ridiculously expensive to fund. I hope govt will not fund next new war. idgaff who started the war and it's not Africa thing.

I am not too sure about OWS stance and I am weebit confused. Hell, what do you expect from govt's response to the protest? Spanking their hands and scolding them for punishing citizens and for their abysmal avarice? I cannot envision this. Granted, some politicians are in corporates' pockets and Banks took the bailout money and paid back some. I can understand the childish ploy, but damn OWS thats theatrical. The whole America heard OWS for a while and it's not that effective. In middle east, protests are damn violent unlike here. What's wrong with this picture? On other hand, raising taxes on rich people will not make any difference. Some jobs always will be outsourced. Americans are too expensive to hire, unless they are willing to accept lower wages. Or new generation entrepreneurs are willing to pay their shares for taxes and hire Americans out of patriotism or investment, so big corps can dwindle.

I so hope this wont lead to London Riot. This whole situation is so confusing to me and it inspired me to learn about economics and politics!

[boaz]

^ yeah it is one hellofa show, hu?

Here is something to think about, if your like me and put off your taxes to the absolute last moment .. Today we hear about 9-9-9 tax rate and everyone gets excited because we can scrap the tax "code" but what was the federal income tax and federal sales tax for the first 130 years or so of our nations history? 0-0-0 In 1913 the creation of the banking cartel known as the "federal" reserve began "federal income taxes". That year it became 1% of income over $3,000 and 6% surtax for income over a half million, a lot of cash it those days and the made you fill out the four page tax form!

www.getrichslowly.org .. original-income-tax-form-from-1913/ (http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/02/05/original-income-tax-form-from-1913/)

a year later a single bullet pulls us into WW1 and man made inflation would drive us into the great depression. and now .. well .. here they go again.

Vote Ron Paul in your state's Primary Election! register as a Republican if you have to, that is what I plan on doing, anyway.

[boaz]

of course, $3,000 in 1913 is about the same as $75,000 today because that dollar issued in 1913 is only worth 4 cents today.

[KyleIsNorml]

Thank you Boaz for sharing that information with us. Not too many people know or understand money but they think they do. In order to have money you must have debt and in order to have debt you must have money which is made out of thin air. Start pulling your money out of the banks, that'll hurt them big because they depend on our money and with out it they will be forced to close. By they way Boaz it's been a long time huh? Glad to still see you around.

Oct 15th, 2011 RT Russia Today - Occupy World St. From New York to Everywhere!

http://youtu.be/73gtsiWu8g4

[boaz]

thank you, Kyle, thats really cool bro. yeah, I kinda got sucked into that whole facebook black hole over the last year or so after I joined it, but I never left this place. :smokin: Yeah, this whole money game is pretty interesting, I don't try to pretend to really understand it myself and I learned alot from Fiat Empire, a great film that is linked on this site. I find it intersting that a one dollar coin minted in 1776 by our US Treasury would have still been worth one dollar over a hundred years later in 1912. But, if you spent that dollar on one of those paper money notes that the banking cartels began to issue in 1913, then it would be worth less than four cents today, less than one hundred year later. :wtf: that is a sh*t load of wealth that someone has gained at our expense.

[RedLocks]

Been going downtown to join in when I can but since I'm the single daddy with three kids there are some restraints on my availability ;) As anyone who knows me would assume I don't see eye to eye with this group but much of what they are protesting against are some things that really need to change. Soo... when I can I put my body in that park and add my voice to w/e march or protest goes on while I am around.

[killerweed420]

Great to see people finally taking an interest in how things are done in DC and Wall Street. You hear republicans talk about the democrats attempt at redistribution of wealth by entitlements. But thats not the redistribution of wealth that is brining this country to its knees. Its the perpetual bail outs and grants and tax breaks of the rich that are redistributing the wealth from the people who actually earn it to the elites at the top. The biggest problem is the Federal Reserve of course. You can not have privatized currency and expect the economy to be stable. End the Fed, put an end to too big to fail and go back to when our taxing laws actually worked which was in the 60's and 70's. The economy was booming them, the rich paid there fair share and things were going pretty good.

[boaz]

true that, KW. it is corporate comunism. private banks get the reward while the public assumes all the risk. I heard one quote recently it is Capitalism for all of us but Socialism for the elite banks and corporations. those too big to fail, ones, that is. they are literally the "money changers". Why do we allow this. I'm not expert maybe there isn't eneough gold and silver anymore and paper money inflation is needed for this popluation boom but it seems to me we could do better than this. I understand the Federal Reserve's original mission to was to avoid the natural boom and busts but isn't that socialism, too. :jointsmile: or at least social engineering. it assumes that a few on the top of the pyramid know more that all the rest below and that is why 'isms' in general don't work. :twocents:

this is a great learning experience for me anyway, for example I didn't know that it was actual real Socialist in the US that pushed for a "progressive tax code", that is tax rate that goes up the more money you make. I tend to agree, but its interesting you don't hear that much these days with all the talk about socialism, etc.

[Rusty Trichome]

I'm interested to see how many people on this forum support this Occupy Movement and how many sheeple that don't.

Not a sheep as your post implies, but perhaps that's just a manifestation of your own fears about your less than popular position. But I'm a lowly college educated, self-thinking conservative that believes the morons down at the Wall Street party are lazy, undereducated junkies looking for more of a free ride while misunderstanding the issues and the causes/remedies to those issues.

Tell ya what...Let's go down to Barney Franks house, since he and his liberal co-conspirators are the root cause of our banking problems and the mortgage fiasco. Then we can go to the White House and protest the Socialistic morality of the current administration and their policies that are keeping American's out of work.

Then we can step on over to the...ya know what...? Instead of doing any of that, the only fucking place I'm going is to the ballot box to vote these anti-American progressives out of office. :thumbsup:

[RedLocks]

Not a sheep as your post implies, but perhaps that's just a manifestation of your own fears about your less than popular position. But I'm a lowly college educated, self-thinking conservative that believes the morons down at the Wall Street party are lazy, undereducated junkies looking for more of a free ride while misunderstanding the issues and the causes/remedies to those issues.

Tell ya what...Let's go down to Barney Franks house, since he and his liberal co-conspirators are the root cause of our banking problems and the mortgage fiasco. Then we can go to the White House and protest the Socialistic morality of the current administration and their policies that are keeping American's out of work.

Then we can step on over to the...ya know what...? Instead of doing any of that, the only fucking place I'm going is to the ballot box to vote these anti-American progressives out of office. :thumbsup:

lol always a ray of sunlight aren't yuh? lol, hope one day I can be as happy as you!

[Rusty Trichome]

I'm not the one camping-out and pretending I know what's up...
I'm not a disgruntled liberal trying to organize the homeless junkies downtown in an effort to appear more support than there is for an issue that is tangental to their cause...
But I am the one sitting back LMAO at the undereducated being led by the nose...

And yes...may you one day be as happy as I am...

[RedLocks]

^^Well, good luck with trying the same thing again! I swear, it just has gotta work this time!


ohh and I can guarantee the majority of your nasty little judgmental remarks are mostly incorrect.

wow look at all those homeless junkies they got to come on Saturday to make it look like this is something larger than it is! AS IT'S HAPPENING: Occupy Wall Street - "Times Square, NYC" - 10.15.11 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P0hrOU4Feo)

They filled up 5 city blocks with people lol, god the heroin problem must be worse in NYC than first thought!

[Rusty Trichome]

Looking at the judgemental attitudes in this and the political forum, and the activist forum...I distinctly see your one-sided vision shining through. You and I both have equal rights to form and express opinions, but I use more than peer bias, race and class warfare and NBC hacks to form mine.

Whatever...the Wall Street party will never gain the momentum the Tea Party protests gained, since it lacks integrity and focus. Did you happen to notice the moderates are jumping the democratic support ship with each passing day?

The video...? Fairly plain to see what union money can accompolish. Nice unemployment line, lol.

The Tea Party protests took-up the entirety of the Mall, cleaned-up after themselves and no arrests...yet the movement took hold and will be THE major factor in the upcoming elections...The Wall Street partiers are neither focused nor are they in the majority with their attempts to villify the banks and corporations. Most of us Americans can see what's going on, and will laugh all the way to the polls...

However, with a little focus and a few more unemployed union members, perhaps they might stay in the news for another week or two.

Irrelevant and misguided. (misled)

[killerweed420]

The poor and middle class has been getting a bum deal for a lot of decades now. Mainly caused by the laws of capitalism. Its not that capitalism its bad, its just that it has to be regulated or we would all be slaves or unemployed.
The laws of capitalism.
Buy the raw materials as cheap as possible.
Spend as little on labor as possible and automate as quickly as possible to remove more jobs from the equation.
Move to a country that has the least taxes and least environmental regulations
Sell for the highest price possible.
There is no ethics or morals to capitalism. Its just strictly about money. Hence the need for government regulations to try and keep them honest.
The problem of course is that capitalism has slowly been released from regulations and the profits have been enormous. Those profits go to buy politicians who in turn hire CEO"S, CFO"S and other upper management people from the very companies they are supposed to be regulating so hence no regulation.
Its an easy fix except for trying to find people with ethics to run for political office to make the changes.
But thats dreaming. Austerity is in our future as the corporations continue with there huge profits and buy off congressmen so they don't have to pay taxes on those profits.
Then eventually the people that actually work for a living get riled up which is where we are today.
The next step is unknown. Anarchy? War? Brutal austerity? Probably some where inbetween. Next summer will probably be tell us what we're in for.

[RedLocks]

Looking at the judgemental attitudes in this and the political forum, and the activist forum...I distinctly see your one-sided vision shining through. You and I both have equal rights to form and express opinions, but I use more than peer bias, race and class warfare and NBC hacks to form mine.

Whatever...the Wall Street party will never gain the momentum the Tea Party protests gained, since it lacks integrity and focus. Did you happen to notice the moderates are jumping the democratic support ship with each passing day?

The video...? Fairly plain to see what union money can accompolish. Nice unemployment line, lol.

The Tea Party protests took-up the entirety of the Mall, cleaned-up after themselves and no arrests...yet the movement took hold and will be THE major factor in the upcoming elections...The Wall Street partiers are neither focused nor are they in the majority with their attempts to villify the banks and corporations. Most of us Americans can see what's going on, and will laugh all the way to the polls...

However, with a little focus and a few more unemployed union members, perhaps they might stay in the news for another week or two.

Irrelevant and misguided. (misled)
If you want to ridicule other people from different walks of life than your own and it makes you feel good about yourself.. good luck! Not sure what the majority of that post is about anyways or what it is supposed to relate to so not even going to bother with a reply, just wishing yuh well and all that jazz ;)

[boaz]

of course, $3,000 in 1913 is about the same as $75,000 today because that dollar issued in 1913 is only worth 4 cents today.

wrong! I had to do the math but I had no idea how off I was. ^ this was some numbers I pulled out of . the air based on numbers from 2007. Have we had much inflation since then? Well ... according the wiki.answers.com, the price of one ounce of gold in 1912 was $20.67 US. This morning one ounce of gold is trading at around $1,650 US. so, according to my math .. :stoned: that $3,000 a year in income in 1913 would be about the same as $240,000 a year in todays US dollar currency. That would put you into the 1% bracket on the original 1913 federal income tax form, that is you would need to pay 1% in federal income taxes for every dollar over $240K per year. Every dollar you made over $40 Million in todays dollars, less allowed deductions, would be subject to additional surtax of around 5%.

Here is a compromise. We return to original 1913 tax bracket percentage so everyone making under $250K a year would pay no federal taxes at all, no payroll deductions and no forms to fill out or any of that bullshit. seems fair to me.

I am watching some of these protests and while I do support free speech and all that it is disheartening to hear some of the anti semetic comments about "zionists" and such. that is really uncalled for and sad to see. Zionism is a religous belief that many Christians share, too. It is probably just a few people but it makes everyone look bad that is there. its like you try to come together with all your brothers and sisters and some jokester has to show up and ruin it for everyone.

To me, protesting wall street in NY is kinda like protesting at a crack dealers house. What really needs to be done is to force Congress to end their addiction to printing money with their banker buddies.

Congressman Paul has some very interesting ideas on how to do this I am learning. I think he talks about competing currencies, etc. and I've heard others talk about "bit coins" that seems interesting to me. I guess if someone cashed in their pay check for gold as soon as they got it then one have there own personal gold standard but easier said than done.

[boaz]

... I guess if someone cashed in their pay check for gold as soon as they got it then one have there own personal gold standard but easier said than done.

thats not really correct either because your paid in US dollars so if gold is going up your payment in gold would effectively being going down each pay day, unless you were increasing your income each year. were screwed. f the banksters.. :rastasmoke:

[RedLocks]

Occupy Wall Street National Convention (http://www.businessinsider.com/occupy-wall-street-has-plans-for-a-coordinated-national-gathering-2011-10#ixzz1b5HDi8jz)

[canadianhemperor]

The first dollar printed by the us banks had interest/debt stuck to it. So did the other billion of dollars printed after that. So basicly It's a scam from the beginning.Pyramid scheme! And the interest/dept money does not even go back to us government. It goes to independent bank/investors and the only way to make money is investing in that. So all presidents and politicians do it. And they are crooks and liars! Fake dept Since october 1929 fake us bank crash!!!!!

[RedLocks]

ohh forgot a link.. HOLY BAILOUT - Federal Reserve Now Backstopping $75 Trillion Of Bank Of America's Derivatives Trades - Home - The Daily Bail (http://dailybail.com/home/holy-bailout-federal-reserve-now-backstopping-75-trillion-of.html)

[RedLocks]

grrr, boards pissing me off, did my effin 4 y/o configure this shit... lol trying to edit my last post because I realized I posted the wrong link on my earlier post...... Then the damn forum trying to add my edit into the previously posted URL. by the time I worked around it my edit window went byebye..

right link: Declaration of the Occupation of New York City | NYC General Assembly (http://www.nycga.net/resources/declaration/)

[Rusty Trichome]

ohh forgot a link.. HOLY BAILOUT - Federal Reserve Now Backstopping $75 Trillion Of Bank Of America's DerivativesTrades - Home - The Daily Bail (http://dailybail.com/home/holy-bailout-federal-reserve-now-backstopping-75-trillion-of.html)

And this is a surprise to you, after the last bailout shipped BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars overseas via AIG...? (Bank Stimulus Bill)

From a 2009 Politico article concerning the issue:
"Billions of American taxpayer dollars used to bailout insurance giant AIG are flowing to some of the largest foreign banks in the world, according to new documents released by beleaguered company Sunday.
The revelation seemed sure to cause political complications for President Barack Obama and his economic team, already on the defensive Sunday over why they couldn’t stop AIG from doling out $165 million in bonuses to some of its top corporate officials — even as the company was receiving a massive infusion of taxpayer funds..."
AIG ships billions in bailout abroad - Eamon Javers - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20039.html)

Jobs. Look at the unemployment numbers and convince yourself Obama's interest is in bringing jobs to Americans. Look at his subversive behaviors in commerce and energy. There will be no sustained upward trend till closer to the elections when there will all of a sudden be another "jobs Growth" check in the taxpayers mailbox, funded by our future.

And how about blocking US companies from deap sea drilling in the Gulf, yet the Obama administration sends 2 Billion US taxpayer dollars to a Brazilian drilling company to drill in the Gulf at the same time? Way to keep the jobs here, Obama. Way to subvert the American people. Way to show your loyalty, patriotism and being true to the Constitution you swore to protect, as a condition of your employment.

More Chicago politics, more abuse to taxpayers, more ineptitude...

And how many protesting at Wall Street plan on protesting at the Federal Reserve and White House...? Or is it in fact the case, where those that make the laws (Dodd/Frank for instance) are immune, and those that break no laws are ridiculed and villified? Let me repeat...BROKE NO LAWS.

If blame is so important though, why is there only a one-sided campaign just against the very businesses that employ your neighbors, your friends, your relatives...? If the blame is so one sided as to not include the very people in office that are allowing (doubling-down on) these practices to go on, (Dodd/Frank?Federal Reserve...) then it is going to be awfully difficult to gain any credibility for "the cause". Too partisan and you lose the majority of support in the middle. Short-sightedness is most often a recipe for failure.

[RedLocks]

^^ you seem to have posted under several erroneous assumtions.
the assumption that I adhere to some form of American politics
that OWS isn't targeting ALL politicians responsible for your fucked up Government and Economy..
and that any of this surprises me in the least..



You're all to blame

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[Rusty Trichome]

Actually your opinion tends to sound quite socialist regardless of your home government. I'm speaking-up as an American Citizen against the policies and politicians that took us to this point. We are not a socialist nation, nor will we become one.

[RedLocks]

I must be a socialist if a conservative doesn't like me.. If any of thaI'll take that though, even though I am pretty sure I haven't really voiced much of any political opinion nor have I ever discussed politics even though I have posted in the Political forum; some things can be analyzed via our innate intelligence rather than some sort of Political ideology. I really don't have an opinion one way or another on what direction that American Government should or shouldn't be going, I just want the corrupt Political and Financial practices to stop fucking over the world. Are you as a conservative ok with all the shit is going on? I'm against greed, the abuse of the poor, racism and all the other wicked aspects of Eurocentric society that is dragging the whole world down with it and it is 100% apolitical in stance.

Also, I disagree with so much of Socialism as do I with democratic and republican ideologies. They all have some good points and practices though, it would take a right/left-wing brainwashed sheep to deny that.

It is funny though, I have observed often that Far-left/right wingers always assume you to be of the opposing archenemy political party as soon as they disagree with you on something.


sorry, cutting this short, gotta run, didn't see the time!

[boaz]

...
Here is a compromise. We return to original 1913 tax bracket percentage so everyone making under $250K a year would pay no federal taxes at all, no payroll deductions and no forms to fill out or any of that bullshit. seems fair to me.
...


revised and restated ... this fails to account for inflation, therefore, what I propose is locking in this 1913 percentage based on gold instead of US currency. 145 oz would be the cutoff. anyone making earning more than 145 oz would be subject to a federal income tax of 1% for every oz above 145 oz a year. Any earnings over 24,190 oz would put you into the higher bracket of 5% or all earnings, less all allowable deductions, over 24,190 oz. This would be the same rate at in 1913 and would, one would think, remain static for years to come. assuming, of course, that we are not all thrown into space when the earth tilts next year, that is.

[Rusty Trichome]

I must be a socialist if a conservative doesn't like me.
Actually, you're likely a socialist if you express socialist views. You consistently back the ultra liberal thought train. So far you have shown no propensity to view the situation as it is, but rather as whatever your liberal friends and community organizers (union reps) are saying...




I really don't have an opinion one way or another on what direction that American Government should or shouldn't be going,
I do.


I just want the corrupt Political and Financial practices to stop fucking over the world. Are you as a conservative ok with all the shit is going on? I'm against greed, the abuse of the poor, racism and all the other wicked aspects of Eurocentric society that is dragging the whole world down with it and it is 100% apolitical in stance.
Because I disagree with the Wall Street partiers does not mean that I don't give a shit about corruption and the financial practices we are enduring. But I am not so short-sighted as to stop and blame the guys working within the law to make their legal living. Were it illegal, heads would be rolling. The problems stem from the financial and housing practices that Barney Frank has implemented through the House Financial Services commitee, as a great starting point.

Replace bankers with dispensary owners...
Going after the bankers is like Obama saying he'd observe states rights on medical cannabis, then bashing and trashing the dispensary owner for selling a legal product in his state, and trashing him for paying his employees for the legal work they already performed. Or worse, have the feds put the owner and customers in jail since it is a federal offense.

Do you realize that most of the bonuses were tied to performance? Which means they got a small percentage of the profit margin for their excellent performance? Your bank itself, as a profit-driven machine, banked the billions while paying a pittance (in comparison) on the profits that person or division brought-in to the company. Had y'all as much experience, drive and ambition as those getting the bonuses, I'll bet you'd feel you've earned every penny. If not, you end-up in the mail sorting room dangerously close to the unemployment line.

"The short report has a few more interesting graphs. First, they throw together a quick graph of Wall Street bonuses. These bonuses are tied to performance and so big that they often represent more than a finance worker’s annual salary."
http://thesocietypages.org/graphicsociology/2011/10/12/1760/ (http://thesocietypages.org/graphicsociology/2011/10/12/1760/)

[RedLocks]

oohh my effin god!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who the hell configured these damn forums!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just typed for a damn hour and lost it because of some stupid crap!!!!! :error::error::error::error::error::error::error:: error::error::error::error::error::error::error:

and now I have to run again... That pisses me off to no end....

edit: actually, screw it, Im staying home... Going to chill a bit then repost.. that autosave thing that keeps flashing, is it actually autosaving somewhere?

[boaz]

double post, forum froze up ...

[boaz]

These "Occupy" protests are beautiful aren't they.... It is exactly what our government wants from the people.... If you believe in the, "Inside Out, Bottom Up, Top Down" theory....

Supposedly, our government creates a separation between the rich and the rest with propaganda, rate hikes, financial meltdowns, tax payer funded bailout programs, job losses....making it hard for the common folk to get by comfortably.... This is the, "Inside Out", part.... Then once the common folk are tired of seeing the people on top living the good life while they struggle, they are expected to rise up together....hence the "Bottom Up" portion.... Then you have the final "Top Down".... This is where our government puts their firm hands down on the people....

What will become of these protests???....I don't know.... But I do know that the, "Inside Out", has already occured and we are now seeing the beginning of the, "Bottom Up".... It's just a matter of time that we'll see how the, "Top Down", will play out....if this theory proves to play out....

CGI::::::

that was first thought, too. Barry launches these protests with his "get on your boots and march" bs and already Congressmen are talking what action they can do to take care of the "mobs". I really hope that all these protesters stay peaceful.

[RedLocks]

ok, lets give posting another try :(

**disclaimer* I no longer have any idea what I am typing about, should have typed this in word or something instead the forum... sorry!*disclaimer**

Ok so I'm a socialist if I think some aspects of socialism are decent ideas. Then that would probably make you and almost everyone in this country a socialist.. social security, medicare, disability, etc are all things that most people think they deserve and are glad they have access to. All of which are social programs.

I would honestly be interested/amused to hear these far left leaning ideologies I have expressed. I am assuming what it comes down to is I don't agree with something you do, so must be a liberal. I have a sneaking suspicion that it has to do with the AZ immigration law and my opinion that Christie is a fucking idiot. In the happenstance the two things I just mentioned are what you are referring to I'll comment on them. Immigration... fuck the borders of the US yuh damn land thieves... I just don't think a nation built on the worst atrocities in history that dwarf even the holocaust in a land that is not rightfully yours should have any say who can or cannot live here. Sorry illegal immigration causes problems with your economy but.... maybe if the United Snakes changed their policies they wouldn't bee fucking up the rest of the world so bad that people have to leave their lands and cultures to find a better life in a foreign land.

Chris Christie... he is an enormous piece of shit that went after things that desperately need change, and he went after it all wrong. He endangered the future of my children and safety of all of NJ and people here realized it. Crime and murders skyrocketed here after his budget, hundreds and hundreds of police were no longer on the streets and some of our cities became reminiscent of the crime problems we had in the 90s. Imagine if Bloomberg did something that reversed all the hard work of Giuliani and people were being robbed at gunpoint in the bright of day in Times Square again... NYC would weigh his ass down and throw him into the east river... All his temper tantrums and hard work were for naught, Supreme court made him put money back into education, and now he is touting off on his 'support me' commercials how he added nearly a billion to education lol... He's calmed down, he only holds his town hall meetings in super conservative towns.. He is a failure here who gets talked up by clueless conservative media from abroad.. so clueless that him announcing for the 100th time he would not run for president was headline news...... I really don't get that shit, every time he has replied to that question he didn't just say no, he said no no no no no no I will not , no interest no no no.... Other than all that, he doesn't even make local news anymore. Non-issue.



Sooo... like I said, some ideas sprung from socialism aint too bad and most people will agree and happily collect their disability check thinking it is their right.Other than that, fuck socialism. I come from the inner city and I see how harmful and broken all the social systems are. Their inception might have been noble, but they all failed and failed miserably. They have become nothing but an updated form of slavery coupled with the P.I.C. they all insure poor people remain poor and the rich have a steady food source of poor peoples blood to sustain themselves. At this point to abolish these programs would be cruel and unusual and only been a decade or so since they've tried to start reforming those programs and they have a far way to go before they even bein to resemble programs made to help people.....

As a modern nation the USA should be trying to help their poor back onto their feet, without some type of effort to do just that we would be seeing horrendous photographs of poverty and famine from here rather than those of the Somalian refugee camps in Ethiopia. I guess following your logic though anyone who thinks a human being who is in need of assistance should be assisted is a Socialist.. Lets take a Cristian charity as an example, the Salvation Army. They are an Evangelical Cristian organization with missions across the country and globe that assist the poor and havenots. For the most part they are, or at least with the Officers that I know personally, people who follow conservative ideologies.... Following your logic, I am beyond confused.. They must be Socialists... but yet.... they are not, they are just compassionate Christians who lend their aid and bankroll to those in need. They save lives, get homeless addicts off the streets, help them through recovery, give them work skills, jobs... they help those in need and I think that is a noble cause..

Like I had been saying, I can be in agree with this or that from this or that political ideology, but too much of one of these failed ideologies just doesn't work, nor does it seem to be sane. You have all failed time after time causing collapses, crisis, wars, depressions, recessions, so on and so on and still continue trying the same things over and over. The people who adhere 100% to one political ideology or another seriously disturb me. Lets take your left and right wing media sources as an example since they are so visible and vocal.

I watch Fox often and what I see confuses the shit out of me and scares me to a degree. The people who Fox is aimed at eat that shit up like it is Ambrosia and puke it back up onto the world. I watch their political commentary and listen to the arguments and it just baffles me how anyone is dim enough to gobble it up like they do. The rhetoric and arguments they spew seem to me to be borderline mentally unstable, pretty clueless and I can only assume the people listen to it have some deep rooted issues of their own. They spin off the conversation ignoring all the logical fallacies contained within them, they ignore the gaping holes in the logic and fail to see how easily refutable the points are. Even their opposition fails to see how shotty the arguments are and attempt to argue all the wrong things, but they got issues of their own which I will get to.. The people who watch this shit just take it as god's word and spew it back up onto the world, seen evident often on internet message boards...

Ok, then we come to NBC..... THEY ARE FUCKING INSANE... they scare the shit out of me, they are disturbing and so are the people who watch it.. No wonder they cannot function in a debate against a conservative, they are off their damn meds. When I see liberal posters on the boards, they just scare me, I get the feeling that the person who is typing is speed-balling or some shit, completely off their damn rockers.... Take one of our resident liberal ex-forum (banned) members as an example...... Dude was off his rocker and anyone who gobbles up the liberal rhetoric from this news network are wackos, I can't even get into them as much as I did the Fox crew because I can't watch it, at all, ever...

So right now we got two groups, one borderline-unstable/clueless fighting against a bunch of wackjobs...... no wonder the bipartisan system is such a failure...


OWS isn't just an American thing, the corruption and failure is widespread and wide-reaching. The Economics of the US and allies as well as the foreign and domestic policy policies are hurting everyone. Cartel violence, terrorism, corrupt regimes, poverty, death, famine, genocide, all this finds its root cause in these things and this is why protests are springing up across Europe, Asia, Australia, hell even fucking South Africans have joined in! The world is fucking sick of the illegal wars and occupations, the world is sick of financial systems that are corrupt and rob people of their lives, the world is sick and fucking tired of all this shit.... We all know the problems, so aware that it has become nothing less than rhetorical conversation, all politician lie, the Government is ran by corporations, etc etc.. hear this shit all the time sitting on a bar stool or in the break room, everyone knows it and what do they do?? NOTHING.....

Yeah sure, next election will be the bandaid to top all bandaids! It didn't work before, lets try it again! Lord I pray for you that you will actually find the politician you are looking for that will piss magical pixie dust all over your broken system and make it work... not holding my breath though... I see your republican candidates, and I don't see much hope in them, fuck they fight each other like my 4 y/o and 7 y/o over the xbox controller. I don't see how a political party with such division within is going to get a single thing (positive) accomplished... yuh guys haven't done jack shit in the last year.. absolutely nothing. And liberals.... got just as bad of a track record..

There is not a politician elected to a major office in this country that is not corrupt, that is not owned by some company or special interest, and all political action reflects this. Sometimes I think the best answer would be to round them all up in one place, lock em in, gas them, air it on every TV station live, set up a transitional Government and start from scratch with the mass executions of the previous governing parties fresh in the new candidates minds. I know the average patriot has some bizarre faith in the constitution being what will make a system that has never worked, work; but they fail to realize the US isn't 'great' because of their constitution. The US is great because of murder, robbery, war, genocide, slavery and the abuse of all and any peoples if in doing so brings about gain for them.


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ok then, here's the thing. OWS is one of those rare situations where you don't have to rely on brainwashing news network chatter to form your own opinions, they are just down the street. The have their own voices, we can see them, we can hear them and we surely don't need to rely on other peoples opinions and talking points in this situation, you can actually come up with your own viewpoint! This is a rare thing indeed, but still, even though we can all now go straight to the horses mouth to find out what he has to say, a majority of detractors are still getting all their info directly from their partisan mouthpieces. I see it with you even, you keep on trying to bring up bipartisan politics which I am just letting slide, firstly because I don't care and secondly because I could go across the web to a handful of message boards and copy paste scores of identical replies until I hit the max character count. I'm not one for live-action-roleplaying so I got no interest to pretend I'm on a Fox news split screen news contributor panel.

People wanna deny that the Corporations and Governments are corrupt criminals that are causing misery across the globe. They want to ignore Neo-Colonialism and the big land grab in sub-Saharan Africa, which is ran by the corrupt Financial system of the mega powers of this world. They want to say if crimes had been committed people would be in jail... Why would they basically put themselves in jail? People want to pick and choose who is to blame, or blame someone else... Well, I wish these people the best of luck but the fact remains, it is tough to stay alive with your head in the sand... War, famine, poverty, nationalism, greed, double-standards etc, these are all symptoms of system that needs a major overhaul or to be wiped out.

Until the day that the few cease to fuck up the majority of this planet for their own gain I will continue to be angry and rant and rave about this shit like a anarchist. It is infuriating to me that such a small group of people bring strife and conflict to billions upon billions of human beings for their own gain. OWS isn't just going to go away, they've had so much money donated to them, they are planning events for a year down the road and they are refining their movement by the day. Most detractors agree with them on some points, and disagree with them on many... ok good, do something about it, we all have a voice in OWS and it is not a partisan thing. I've been to Zuccati park, I've seen all types there, of every political persuasion, of every age, color and religion. Sure libs might want to hijack OWS like the cons did the Tea Party, but what do you expect from two political parties that are gasping for air? For the most part they are resistant to any political ideology, which will hopefully mean for them that they won't be susceptible to a hijacking. hell Michael Moore damn near got lynched but good for him that no matter who you are you have a voice there and the majority brought the order back so the man could say what he had to say.

Love,
Redlocks :D

[Rusty Trichome]

Fake dept Since october 1929 fake us bank crash!!!!!
Never let a good crisis go to waste. No crisis...? Manufacture one.


Then that would probably make you and almost everyone in this country a socialist.. social security, medicare, disability, etc are all things that most people think they deserve and are glad they have access to. All of which are social programs.


Actually, all 3 of those are insurances we are forced to pay into. So right-off the bat you're barking up the wrong tree. Alas, the monies were not supposed to be borrowed against (stolen) by the political hacks that couldn't resist the temptation. Not only did they borrow against it, seems they leveraged against it for more earmark bucks. (unnecessary programs designed to gain favor with the home crowd...usually announced close to primaries or general elections)

The rest of your post seemed to be a vomiting of your political soul, not backed by facts...so I skipped most of it. Sorry, but I am unimpressed with your prejudices.

But thanks for telling us exactly how to fix the country's ills. I never even thought of flip-flopping my morals and values, or hitching my cart to a misguided concept, just to fit nicely with the "in" crowd. Perhaps that IS worth a try, since you seem to think it's done so well for you. But tell me...When were you EVER leaning conservative? When did you EVER believe anything outside the progressive box you've put yourself in? Sounds like you have YEARS of liberal indoctrination under your belt, (via public schools, no doubt) so am curious how you settled on your current far-left stance? Seems to me that compared to you, Obama looks like a blue-dog moderate, lol.

[painretreat]

edit-this post was written after #39 and I am giving up here! Bye-friends. Lost my writing twice!

Hey! Wait a minute here- I REPRESENT THAT! I live here and was born here, can't help it! Can't undo what has been done. Most of us 'Americans' are part Indian. Problem is: You can't get records from long ago Petrogliths that have weathered away! One local Indian Res (of Many) in my community is crying because their monthly check has been diminished to 17K per month tax free. Then, receive all the welfare, land and food subsidies we can manage to give them on the 'Rez'. Eventually, we will finally be the 'melting pot!' Which brings me back to Pot!

If dispensary owner's ran our Gov't: The 'dime bag' that is now 80 bucks would soon be $300. and figure out how much an ounce of medicine would be? Could anyone afford to live here?

Gold, have read something in here about that in another thread. If 3K in taxes in the 'olden days' would be 75K today! How many people even make that much a year? That is a problem with what is wrong in this country-minimum wage has not kept up with inflation! Incentives and postal work! Well, the management in our Federal Postal system gets "Pay Incentive". And the price of stamps goes up every other year. 40 years ago, price of stamps seldom went up that fast. Yep, stamps will be $0.45 in January and the Post Office has closed numerous offices, dismissed over 150,000 injured workers in 2009 alone and continue to do decrease employees while giving the Management large 'pay incentives.'

Guess you already said the word "Greed." And that pretty much covers alot of area!

Now, please 'friends' I come in here because it is not in the Political Thread and hope not to get insulted with the usual name calling/ This seemed like an 'inviting' friendly thread to start off. Hopefully, it will return to that. So, don't stomp on me too hard, I am sensitive! And most likely pretty liberal. You can call me names, but I do believe in Democracy and like Baseball or any sport, sometimes the Ref's just make a bad call. It isn't the bad call that makes a game (like the Cardinals last night) but what you do with it and how you behave! Making Lemonade!

I generally stay out of the 'Political' section, as it mostly comes to slaying each other with a few facts, some rheotroic and name calling, like 'land thieves, liberal, socialist, etc. . .' I am no PC person or would could find and paste some stuff. Just a pot flag waving liberal, I would hope! I believe we are all entitled to our own opinion and need to be open to the idea of 'being wrong.' Yet, we ARE entitled to our opinions! Slinging mudd and name calling only clouds the issues!

This looked like a friendly little 'inviting' toss in your info if you will and be welcomed thread. As, posting is a problem today, for some reason, and losing an hour worth of typing, not worth re-doing (but it has happened to me a few times over the years and today) and nice to see I have good company!

Since this said, "Feel Free. . . " to add and say what you want. I would like to bring up an article I read, while on a trip from Ohio back home in August. I picked up a local 'Free' paper in Needles, CA in 113 degree heat. The paper was called: Economic Development Journal of Mojave County (that would be bumfuck California). I am not a great one to look up data in PC's, so I kept the article. As I sit here, it is written by Ellen Brown The QE2 Shocker: The Whole $600 billion wound up offshore! Article in August 2011 edition. A little PC help here, if you will, fellows would be appreciated? The U.S.A. borrowed money, not once, but twice. It was suppose to stimulate the American economy and instead it went to stimulate the economy overseas and the American Gov't is paying interest on it. Instead of 'Pay Incentives' perhaps we should give 'bounties' to those that can stop Gov't Waste.

If the Gov't were run as we do our household budgets, it would be in better shape. That is: For those of us that didn't run out and get a loan, way over our head of what we could appreciably pay back over 40 years of our life! We aren't having problems paying a mortgage-oops, if we have one. It isn't too hard to buy a home within your means and pay higher monthly payments on the "principle' of the loan for an early pay-off. Perhaps, it may be time for a woman to run the Federal Budget of U.S. of A. and make everything used in the nation be within the 'means' of the nation. If you don't have the money, don't spend it. If you don't have the money to put a roof over your head, then don't pay for someone else's. Simple math. Not too complicated. Balance your checkbook and expect the money you pay in taxes is used in a similar fashion.

Nothing is perfect and it generally boils down to the 'chicken or the egg question?' We all must compromise and find a solution.

My solution is: Putting out some Local Information as this thread ORIGINALLY was requesting from my tiny little stolen area of the world. And here it is: In Los Angeles (and Riverside) people are coming out to the "Occupy" in Los Angeles to protest wages, individual & group interest or Rights. Norml/ASA and MAPP are protesting anti-mj laws: YOU ARE INVITED to go out and "look like a flag waving idiot" as some here would see it: The Following is not written by me: Just passing on Information and hope you
Hop On, Hop On The Bus
To ASA
Stop the Attack Rally

Monday, October 24th
at 12 noon
Edward Roybal Federal Building
Downtown Los Angeles
255 E. Temple St.
Take the Bus to the Rally!!!!!!



Thanks to the generous donations of collective operators there will be a bus going to ASA’s LA Federal Building Rally on Monday, Oct. 24. You can ride with your friends and make new ones and what is sure to be an exciting and eventful day.

The bus will drop you right off at the rally where you can join the multitudes assembled to protest the federal crackdown and interference with the implementation of Prop. 215.

You will meet and hear Anna T. Boyce, a retired RN who, along with Dennis Peron, co-authored and co-sponsored Prop. 215, reveal how distraught she has become over the horrors that are unfolding over the implementation of the initiative she so strongly believed in. How never in her worst nightmares could she have ever imagined that local police would invite the federal government to send police into California to arrest, prosecute, imprison and loot medical marijuana patients, providers and landlords.

Anna was the face of Prop. 215 and I believe was the single most important person in making the vote for Prop. 215 a landslide – what any elected official would call a mandate if they received as high a percentage of the vote. She will be the face of Prop. 215 again as she goes into the mammoth federal building to deliver a letter asking President Obama to end the violence and bring everyone together to see if their differences between state and federal law can be resolved peacefully.

Yes peacefully!!!!! Why the resort to violence. If there is a difference between state and federal law why can’t the feds and states just sit down and see if they can arrive at a mutual conclusion. Why the resort to violence now and talk never.
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You can be a witness that could very well be a turning point in history – and you can take the bus to it.

BUS LEAVES THCF Medical Clinic at 10 a.m. for the rally.
There will be a continental breakfast available beginning at 9 a.m.

Along with Anna T. Boyce, there will be patients and activists making presentations. We expect the press to be out in force as this is going to be a momentous event. At the conclusion of the rally, we will march two blocks to the Occupy LA rally and join them for the Coalition of the 99% demanding that the people should control our government and not the behemoth international conglomerate corporations, billionaire Wall Street bankers and narco law enforcement.

I guarantee that your day spent with us in downtown LA will have you feeling empowered, fulfilled and so proud that you will tell your grandchildren about it.

If you are going to take the bus, send me an email back so you can be guaranteed a seat.

You can also come to the rally on Metrolink – now that’s really cool. Riding down on what passes for high speed commuter rail in the spacious comfort of the Metrolink cars. There could not be a more relaxing and eco-friendly way to get to downtown LA. You get dropped off at Union Station which is about three blocks from the Federal Building. If you want to spend some time in downtown and see the sights like the Disney Concert Hall or Chinatown, there are plenty of times to choose to return.

Whether you bus, Metrolink or drive, do whatever it is you have to do to get the time off and ATTEND. Be heard.
October 24th
12:00 noon
Edward Royball Federal Building 255
Los Angeles, CA

This could very well be the most momentous rally in medical marijuana history. Make the commitment to be at the rally now – send me an email saying “Lanny – I am going be there with Anna.”

Send Lanny Your Email Now

Lanny
760-799-2055
End of the pasting part!

The protests are more fun than unfulfilled expectations! I learned a long time ago. If you expect nothing from people-You Fail to Be Disappointed! Something I had to learn early in life to have any relationship with my parents, as an adult! And I do hope we are all adults here!
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So have a good day. Watch us on T.V and laugh, but it is a party and you are invited! Don't take life too seriously, for it is a fleeting part of living! pr

Oh, an afterthought. I know we have some Wall Street People here and they always give a great perspective on the Financial Bail-outs, as in Threads when it happened. But, seems to me: 'The real crooks in America wear Suits!" So, they need to start dressing down, would be the solution. AS I understand pervious threads and why our Gov't did what it did. But, I don't have to agree, even if it has made this Second Greatest Depression play out slower over many years and to continue. . .don't mean to be mean or offend, as my understanding comes from my wallet.:stupid: pr

[killerweed420]

Actually your opinion tends to sound quite socialist regardless of your home government. I'm speaking-up as an American Citizen against the policies and politicians that took us to this point. We are not a socialist nation, nor will we become one.
Not really true. Every government that has ever existed has socialism as a part of it, we're no different. Our military is socialism, our highways are socialism, our power structure is socialism. Socialism is no different than capitalism in that it has to be regulated to keep the citizens free of tyranny.
An important thing that people have to remember no matter what sort of government they have is that everyone on this planet was born with unalienable rights. Its not your government that grants hem to you. Government can only inhibit those rights not grant them. SO you have to be very careful about socialism and capitalism for this reason. This has all come about because we are supposed to have a representative form of government. We elect these people to represent us the voters. The problem is they don't represent voters they represent the special interests that got them elected and so our civil rights are slowly disappearing.
The revolution will hopefully scare the shit out of our elected leaders and they will go back to serving the people they are supposed to serve. I highly recommend, no matter what party you belong to, to vote for anyone but the incumbents. They are career crooks and not likely to change.

[Rusty Trichome]

In my book the chicken or the egg corollary is flawed. It should read the chicken or the wolf...

The interstate highway system was built for US military infrastructure, supposedly. It wasn't a "general welfare" project that was built because we have a right to drive to grandma's house.
Funny you should mention the military being socialist. Having served a hitch in the US Air Force back when Carter was promoting Billy Beer and blanking on the hostage crisis, the enlisted I hung with know what is expected of them, why it's expected, and what the consequences are if you fail in your personal responsibilities. Especially if it affects the military, the civilians, or the constitution.
Tell me, what form of socialism sounds nice? Those that do the opressing will not give a rat's ass about your personal freedoms, and ultimately you will either comply with the state's demand of doing what you are told, (or what you are told not to do) or pay the consequences. And being as you personally will not likely be on the top rung of that elite ladder, you will do as you are told.

In a capitalist society, the consumer picks the winners and the losers. In a socialist society Obama picks just the losers. (Solyndra, for instance) Doesn't sound very inviting.
As it stands now, the unemployed are striking for more benefits than they deserve, the employed are demanding the richer folks pay more than their fair share even though the lowered capitol of the company might cost ther husband his job, and (former?) students want school loans written-off, and the unions want the "Jobs Bill" money to fix state union shortfalls after the gross mismanagement of said unions. Did I miss any of the partiers complaints...? In the Marxist/Facist/Socialist/Communist world, their physical survival could be in question.

So the Stalin brutality, the Hitler hate and control, the Mussolini facism sound like the road to American salvation? Seriously? You go down that road, you get those results to varying degrees. Those forms of government are nothing more than a house of cards waiting for the next madman or military coup.

[painretreat]

RT, I believe you got the meaning of "Occupy" the way I understand it! Thanks for being kind 2 me!

This thread is so full of videos, even with High Speed Fiberoptic ntwk it is difficult to open and read, takes about 10 minutes! pr

[RedLocks]

(via public schools, no doubt)
No doubt.. ohh wait self educated, left school at a very young age, reject and hate the American Indoctrination centers AKA public schools that spew lies and propaganda making them look liek the saviors of history rather than the cancer they are...
No reply past that, not going to be trolled or defend myself from fiction...



edit-this post was written after #39 and I am giving up here! Bye-friends. Lost my writing twice!



I swear I nearly cried when that shit happened to me

[opensensime]

Long Beach is hooked up and going strong

[Rusty Trichome]

I swear I nearly cried when that shit happened to me
A week or two ago I was having that issue, too. Would be fine for 20 to 30 minutes, then it would freeze-up losing everything I had already written. I was thinking it was my connection freezing-up, but that wasn't the case.

I even started using Notepad to copy-n-paste every couple of minutes, and was a real pain in the ass...but it worked. All is fine now, yet I wonder if it has anything to do with the virus warnings we were getting the last few weeks...? :wtf:

[RedLocks]

A week or two ago I was having that issue, too. Would be fine for 20 to 30 minutes, then it would freeze-up losing everything I had already written. I was thinking it was my connection freezing-up, but that wasn't the case.

I even started using Notepad to copy-n-paste every couple of minutes, and was a real pain in the ass...but it worked. All is fine now, yet I wonder if it has anything to do with the virus warnings we were getting the last few weeks...? :wtf:

yeah after I lost my wall of text the first time I just started ctrl-a + ctrl-c and kept my typing on the clipboard... Annoying for sure but better than losing everything you typed out again.:( No idea about virus warnings though, my replies in this thread mark the only times I have been on the site for some time.. There are some other screwy glitches I was noticing also.. losing everything I had written being the worst of the bunch..

[killerweed420]

In my book the chicken or the egg corollary is flawed. It should read the chicken or the wolf...

The interstate highway system was built for US military infrastructure, supposedly. It wasn't a "general welfare" project that was built because we have a right to drive to grandma's house.
Funny you should mention the military being socialist. Having served a hitch in the US Air Force back when Carter was promoting Billy Beer and blanking on the hostage crisis, the enlisted I hung with know what is expected of them, why it's expected, and what the consequences are if you fail in your personal responsibilities. Especially if it affects the military, the civilians, or the constitution.
Tell me, what form of socialism sounds nice? Those that do the opressing will not give a rat's ass about your personal freedoms, and ultimately you will either comply with the state's demand of doing what you are told, (or what you are told not to do) or pay the consequences. And being as you personally will not likely be on the top rung of that elite ladder, you will do as you are told.

In a capitalist society, the consumer picks the winners and the losers. In a socialist society Obama picks just the losers. (Solyndra, for instance) Doesn't sound very inviting.
As it stands now, the unemployed are striking for more benefits than they deserve, the employed are demanding the richer folks pay more than their fair share even though the lowered capitol of the company might cost ther husband his job, and (former?) students want school loans written-off, and the unions want the "Jobs Bill" money to fix state union shortfalls after the gross mismanagement of said unions. Did I miss any of the partiers complaints...? In the Marxist/Facist/Socialist/Communist world, their physical survival could be in question.

So the Stalin brutality, the Hitler hate and control, the Mussolini facism sound like the road to American salvation? Seriously? You go down that road, you get those results to varying degrees. Those forms of government are nothing more than a house of cards waiting for the next madman or military coup.
Capitalism can only work if its a free market capitalism. Something that has never existed and probably never will.
Capitalism is not a form of government or a way in for someone to run there life. Its only about money. No morality, no ethics no right or wrong, just money.
If capitalism was unregulated, which is pretty close to what we have now, the wealth slowly gets transferred to fewer and fewer people. Eventually you end up with one giant WalMart store running everything. That is not good for a free society. More important than free market capitalism is to live in a free society. Capitalism slowly erodes free societies. Its just the nature of what capitalism is.
Capitalism is just getting the raw materials for whatever product you're going to make as cheaply as possible.
Manufacture in a country that has the least amount of regulation and taxes
Pay as little as possible for labor costs and automate as much as possible to have even fewer labor costs
And to sell that product for as much as possible.
SO what you end up eventually with unregulated capitalism is big polluters, tax cheats, corruption of government agencies and eventually no workers.
So that begs the question. Once capitalism follows its natural laws where will people be able to find employment to live?

[canadianhemperor]

They want you to believe that if the system would work differently that you could not find a job. The truth is if the system would work differently they would be out of a job. Workers will always find work. But government mouchers (sponges) not so sure. If you dont work they cant live off your back, this is what scares them.And pushes them to spread propaganda. When they know the system has failed!

[boaz]

I think the problem is when companies get so big that they have a monopoly or form big trusts and other cartels they are able to shut out any of the competition and effectively shut down the free market. I think we've had a history of breaking up big trusts and monopolies in the name of saving capitalism, at least our form of it. but, we are a lot more socialist that most people think just look at our "progressive tax rate" system, which is, from what I understand, one of the first tenets of Marxism. I'm not saying that is good or bad its just fact.

[RedLocks]

Sure you've all seen the vid of the Marine getting in the faces of the NYPD over the aggressive arrests and the NYPD hanging their heads in shame. Some police even started talking shit on youtube questioning if he was a Marine or not, and even going as far to insult him.. (turn down your volume if you watch the next vid, cause he yells at the top of his lungs at them, he was pretty emotional about it, at some points stumbling over his words)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_bL-sKNyoI

Well it turns out there is no doubt who this man is, he is a Sgt. Shamar Thomas of the USMC and Iraq War vet who fought at Fallujah, served two tours in Iraq and both of his parents are also veterans. Would seem his actions inspired a small group of Service men and women to join the protests. Despite my stance on America and Americans, a Marine is a person I will always have respect for, my grandfather is a decorated Marine and has received the Four Chaplains award for his works after joining a Detachment, so... semper fi! They'll be hitting the streets in solidarity with protesters, a 501(c)(3) is being set up and they will be out in their chosen dress code. They will be trying to keep the peace and stop any aggressive unlawful arrests, attempt to garter support of the NYPD and do things like provide NYPD and NYFD that are out on the street with hot coffee and food; they will also being giving any needed support to OWS that they can provide "We will support demonstrators with organization, direction, supply and logistics, and leadership". They're asking only Service men and women who are not on active-duty participate and have said "We Will Honor Our Military Uniforms And The Sacrifices Of Our Brothers And Sisters. Only Non-Dress Uniform Supporters May Actively Participate."

Semper Fi: Occupy Marines Bringing Reinforcements To Occupy The Nation | Addicting Info (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/22/semper-fi-occupy-marines-bringing-reinforcements-to-occupy-the-nation/)

[RedLocks]

^^lol just saw something that made me laugh.. effin spellcheck...

[Jackwidow420]

Hi Purple Daddy,

I think his point is they is rich and they is wealth. My guess is your Uncle is not wealth he maybe rich the BANK are wealth. If we stop the wealth we stop the war and then we feed the poor. Because your Uncle dose not have all the money he can not feed the poor so he is not the issue. We are human we all have the same right to eat and millions and millions of people do not eat you should understand this haves nothing to do with your Uncle or your way of life. The sad part is when to many don't get enough to get they will come after the rich only because people like Uncle are not at the top. My point here is it the BANKS those at the top will not come down unless we no longer agree to let then hide behind the rich. We must stop the Wealth or many poor and rich will pay with they lives. Think of it like this the Wealth do not want Cannabis legal for good reason more wealth. Would you like Cannabis to be legal? Do you think the poor have a right to eat? Should we stop the wealth? The poor are not eating and the banks have too much the banks well have to share one way or the other.

[Jackwidow420]

Hey nice work with the videos. I have see all the video of page one here. I agree with ever thing said just one thing not said. What middle is the one to pay for all this. The Wealthy so far have never paid for any thing. I not sure but Purple Daddy did make a point his uncle is rich (maybe rich) but that the wealth are not going to give back what they stolen because it already in their pocket so we get the rich to do it and that not what this is about. It always the wrong guy to his loose head look at Louis XVI and then out of no were Napoleon Bonaparte slips in as if he was on glass. Louis XVI was not a bad guy he was the wrong guy and the banks are up to some thing and that some thing is going to fall on the wrong guy. The banks have people listen to ever move made and are planing their move to fit this movement you can be sure of that big money always wins. I do see Purple Daddy Uncle loosing and then Purple Daddy will say he was right not to support this movement and in a way here is right too. I support your movement but not just what ever happens is fair because the top 13 families will not move and I do not support Purple Daddy Uncle loosing any thing because we need people like Purple Daddy to support this movement but it must be fair see your videos do say it the banks but no were in history have it been fair. You can now be sure some one will read this that should not and turn the page to plan B. Now how do we stop that from being done? I told Purple Daddy to support this movement and why he should but I will also not tell him this movement step on his Uncle. Your heart I know is in the right place you here for peace and weed just most of us even Purple Daddy. Money is not growing on trees but you not the only person that in pain we all are you work is good but I think you need not push to hard show them your stuff don't sell it. You can sell people in to believe you. Yes Bush lie yes he even said he lie and don't care and this why we have no more money to eat. But some people have believe the lies as truths for many years like my father who was in Vietnam and he come to France because he believe the lie of his day and to this day will not move. You say this is what I have and walk away. I sure you feel you did that but you were just a little hard not mean but you just want to shake them awake from a sleep walk and that don't work. No one is saying your not a good guy just heart felt in pain that normal my friend I get that way my self and I been on this road a long time trying to get people to wake up it dam hard. You a good person like all of us even the one still asleep ever one have one thing in common Cannabis and that is already a lot more then the outside world well give you.
I am not tell you to stop that is not my job just to tell you that some folks need more time it not fair your right but those are not my rules. Keep trying show your stuff I am listening for me that what life is all about listening to ever one even the guy that 100 % dead wrong because I learn some thing new ever time I do.

[LuLzBoaT]

The Occupy Movement was totally hijacked, thats why its dead as dead can go. The actual architects of that entire IDEA totally bounced on it once Hollywood and Unions attempted to solidify themselves with it. They made it look bad. However, when the police overstepped, the officer who pepper sprayed people in Cali was identified and all his families info was released onto pastebin including phone #'s and credit cards. Other than that the Phreakers and Hacks who drew up the outline for this movement have quit it.