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hello i am new to this site my question is i planted a ak-48 and super skunk feminised seeds in 3 gallon pots each and have been growing since monday and so far they are only 2 and a half inches tall and only have two round leaves and two seerated leaves on them my question is why are they growing so damn slow i swear plants in the past have grown fast does this sound normal for my plants i still havent even raised my lights up which i have 4 cfls on them
pushit
09-11-2011, 03:24 AM
hello i am new to this site my question is i planted a ak-48 and super skunk feminised seeds in 3 gallon pots each and have been growing since monday and so far they are only 2 and a half inches tall and only have two round leaves and two seerated leaves on them my question is why are they growing so damn slow i swear plants in the past have grown fast does this sound normal for my plants i still havent even raised my lights up which i have 4 cfls on them
The reason they are growing so slow is cause they are 2 1/2 in tall in a 3 gal pot. They are concentrating more on the roots than they are on whats above the soil. Once they establish their root system you will start seeing more growth:thumbsup:
i germinated my seeds then stuck them in 3 gallon pots run my lights 18/6 and the two round and two serated leaves are only like 1/2 in long after 6 days this is my first time planting feminised seeds and my first time putting them straight from germination to the 3 gallon pots so do you think they will start to speen up ? i am worried that i messed up? i have a 250 MH i want to put on them are they to small for that right now? PLEASE HELP
painretreat
09-11-2011, 05:10 AM
BLO, be patient and you will get more expert response's as you give more information. I am sure you will be asked about soil mix, etc. However, I have read threads in here, in the past about using too big of a pot to start your pot in and you can check them out, while waiting for your specific problem. In fact, you can check out some AK-47 X SS (I think) written by Shovelhandle and others. Good luck with your grow and stick around for some expert advise! PR
polishpollack
09-11-2011, 05:37 AM
pushit, do you really think that's what's happening? You really think that the plant is focused on growing its root mass because it is in a 3 gallon pot and this is what's causing it to grow slowly?
The reason why people use small amounts of soil for small plants is because it's a waste of money to use more than what's necessary to get a plant started. You make it sound like the plant actually knows it's in a big pot and therefore is thinking to itself "Hey Self, you better focus on a larger root mass because you've been given so much soil."
This kind of advice is right in there with things people use to mention in online forums, like the birth control pill which you were suppose to steal from your girlfriend or sister, crush it, then sprinkle it on your plant. The idea was that since the pill is female hormone, this stuff would make your plants female. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm sorry to come across like an ass, but this kind of stuff just kills me!
B-LO, your plants are fine. They've only been growing for week. They could probably use a very small dose of fert with water. Make sure you get a good quality fert. Something that has all the nutes that plants need. Read the back of the labels.
i dont know what to do i have grown two plants in the past that turned male but they were regular seeds. they gre really fast seemed liked i raised the light everyday. this is the first time i have planted femenised seeds and the first time i went from germination to a 3 gallon pot i dont think they need fert yet the soil should have enough in it for the first month or so i dont know what the problem is just measued them they are 2 1/2 inches tall and from one serated leaf to the other is only a inch they have been growing exactly 7 days today 9-11-11 if i remember from my last plant it had the leaf with three serated leaves on it by end of one week it seems like in a 24 hr period my damn plant only grows a sixtenth of an inch which aint shit can someone please help me tell me what i did wrong and what to do please and did putting straightg into such a big pot screw my plants up ? should i start over? i just now put my 250 MH on them a hour ago is that to much never used one of those before either?
WashougalWonder
09-11-2011, 12:08 PM
FIRST: Chill friggin out!
SECOND: Those plants are fine considering you are killing with kindness. Though not at this point, females are less stretchy than males.
THIRD: The plants would do much better in smaller pots at this point, keeps the moisture level more consistent throughout the potting mix.
FOURTH: A humidity dome would help a bunch, ..... hence will need smaller pot.
FIFTH: Chill friggin out!
Rusty Trichome
09-11-2011, 12:13 PM
Step-back from the plant, and let the little darling do her thing. If you don't develop some patience, you'll kill your plants with overcare. (and give yourself a coronary in the process) But next time, grow them in appropriate pots. A 3 gallon pot is waaaaay too big for seedlings.
A general rule of thumb for seedlings, clones and young plants: if the leaves overgrow the edge of the rim, time to start thinking transplant. Transplanting is much less stressful to the plants than the abuse they see in oversize pots.
No nutrients till they're showing their 4th or 5th internode. Only then do you start with half-doses of nutrients.
Acclimate the seedlings to the MH light. (raise the lights so you don't over-do the heat and light) Slowly (one day at a time) lower the lights to recommended distance after a couple of days.
my heat is around 78 degrees with the MH on .. my dirt is still moist from a week ago i have that mirical grow moisture control soil it has coir pith in it that holds water really good. i had a humidity dome the first three days they were growing you think i should stick it back on ? and do you think running my mh FROM HERE on out will be fine if my temp is good? the light is 2 feet 4 inches from tops of plant ? i appreciate all the help it just drives me nuts because i have never seen such a slow growing plant in my life.........i could probably plant another one in a small pot and stilll out grow theys ones faster....you also dont think it could just be weak plants kinda like the runt out of the seeds
pushit
09-11-2011, 02:19 PM
pushit, do you really think that's what's happening? You really think that the plant is focused on growing its root mass because it is in a 3 gallon pot and this is what's causing it to grow slowly?
The reason why people use small amounts of soil for small plants is because it's a waste of money to use more than what's necessary to get a plant started. You make it sound like the plant actually knows it's in a big pot and therefore is thinking to itself "Hey Self, you better focus on a larger root mass because you've been given so much soil."
This kind of advice is right in there with things people use to mention in online forums, like the birth control pill which you were suppose to steal from your girlfriend or sister, crush it, then sprinkle it on your plant. The idea was that since the pill is female hormone, this stuff would make your plants female. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm sorry to come across like an ass, but this kind of stuff just kills me!
B-LO, your plants are fine. They've only been growing for week. They could probably use a very small dose of fert with water. Make sure you get a good quality fert. Something that has all the nutes that plants need. Read the back of the labels.
Yes thats exactly what i believe. Im just going by what ive noticed in my grows. I have started some in bigger pots and some in smaller. With my grows it was a noticeable difference in the initial growth. Same everything except for the pots. A strange reoccurring coincidence maybe. But until i see something in person that makes me think differently I will keep spouting this. Im not trying to debate anything just stating my opinion on what ive seen personally.
I agree with pushit. The plant knows its in a bigger pot because it roots can continue to grow down. Your advise pollack is whack. Cmon, nutes to a seedling? Espcially seeing that it is in such a big pot. Wow
so tell me exactly what i should do ? just leave them alone and watch them grow a 1/16 of a inch a day that rate it will take a full year just to grow it.
and another thing my leaves are pointing up torwards the light is that ok and so what everyone is saying once the "ROOTS" take hold then the foilage will cut loose and grow like it should? Again Thank You Everyone for the help
budbudding
09-11-2011, 06:51 PM
Mate you need to down size pot , 3 gallon is hench , go get a 3ltr pot for now , and i would'nt bother wih that m/grow either , you say it holds the water well !! you dnt want that at all , if ya gonna continue useing m/grow go get some perlite and add it to ya mix , .... and be PATIENT!! She's a baby ! oh and try geting tome take root or rizatonic that will help her out
pushit
09-11-2011, 07:06 PM
so tell me exactly what i should do ? just leave them alone and watch them grow a 1/16 of a inch a day that rate it will take a full year just to grow it.
and another thing my leaves are pointing up torwards the light is that ok and so what everyone is saying once the "ROOTS" take hold then the foilage will cut loose and grow like it should? Again Thank You Everyone for the help
Like i said you will be fine. You can leave it just the way it is and in a week or so youll be seeing some growth. The main reason the soil is staying moist so long is the seedling's root mass has not grown big enough to uptake all the water in the 3gal. It will catch up just be patient. In a week or two you will see a big difference and it will start growing fast given your grow room is properly set up.
Its all about patience. in the meantime do alot of reading on here. But just cause you read something different than what youre already doing.......pause, research everything before you make any major changes. Theres a bunch of different ways to grow a plant. You will be fine. If you have any pics it would be helpful.
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pushit
09-11-2011, 09:54 PM
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Yea they will be fine. Just pay extra attention to your watering. For the first week or so you might do good by just adding a cup or two of water just around the seedling. Let it progress a little before you water the whole pot. This is of course after you let it dry out from your last watering.
What type of bulb is that on the floor by the plants? Might save you a little on electricity and mh bulb life if you use it instead of the mh til the little ones get a little bigger. Just my 2 cents
its a t12 grow bulb i have two of them and one 24watt cfl you think that will be fine instead of the MH for right now ? and do you think my set up looks ok and how do my plants look? pretty damn small for a week worth of growth and 18/6 light schedual so dont transplant them into smaller pots? how many plants have you had exp with if u dont mind me asking/
pushit
09-11-2011, 10:30 PM
its a t12 grow bulb i have two of them and one 24watt cfl you think that will be fine instead of the MH for right now ? and do you think my set up looks ok and how do my plants look? pretty damn small for a week worth of growth and 18/6 light schedual so dont transplant them into smaller pots? how many plants have you had exp with if u dont mind me asking/
Yes i would use the T12 til they get a little bigger. You just need to keep it close. I personally think with you being new, transplanting into smaller pots will stress them out pretty bad. Seedlings are real fragile at that age. Its all your call though. Ive seen seedlings started off in 5gal containers. I dont recommend it but ive seen it done with great results.
Ive been growing a little over a year. I have a little grow log in my sig if you wanna check it out. As for how many plants i have grown? I honestly couldnt tell you but ive seen a couple haha.
polishpollack
09-11-2011, 11:58 PM
To a plant so small, I don't think they know the difference between a three gallon and a one gallon or smaller container. Having freedom to continue growing roots doesn't mean that the upper part will grow slow. To think the plant knows the difference is pretty funny. If anything it's all about chemistry, not plant intuition. If anything, growing in smaller containers puts limits on how much of the upper part will grow and this is why we transplant into bigger containers. You might consider putting a plastic barrier between the pots and the carpet, to avoid staining the carpet. And remember that electricity and water don't mix so be careful with those power cords and water. Just give them time and they will be fine.
yeah i have containers under my pots to catch any extra water. I tied all my extra cords away and now just switched um back to the cfl and the t12. they will wake up at 11:30pm mst tonight they sleeping right now. this isnt my first plant i have grown a few seeds in the past that turned to males they grew fine and fast but i didnt have them in 3 gallons i had them in one gallons. i have yet to grow a female so i finally broke down and ordered some femenised seeds offfline. so like i said could be pots could be seeds like the runts of the litter maybe they wont be super females i hope though really want a female for once...:stoned:
SmokeMyPiece
09-12-2011, 01:14 AM
Whoa, advice is all over the place.. Stick with Pushit and Rusty.
From seed, In one 16oz cup, nuteless soil: Between 2-3weeks:
-I usually get to about 6-7 nodes on a SINGLE 1/2str N feed. and just plain water for all other waterings.
--I dont feed again till after the transplant.
But like said before, they'll be fine in the bigger pots.
another thing i wonder is if i go to the store and get this water that has first goes through a advanced carbon filter then micro filter then first ultraviolet light and then reveres osmosis then another carbon filter and a second ultraviolet light would this be ok or am i fine just using my tap water and then letting it stand 24 hours to rid chlorine and get to room temp?
pushit
09-12-2011, 02:10 AM
another thing i wonder is if i go to the store and get this water that has first goes through a advanced carbon filter then micro filter then first ultraviolet light and then reveres osmosis then another carbon filter and a second ultraviolet light would this be ok or am i fine just using my tap water and then letting it stand 24 hours to rid chlorine and get to room temp?
I prefer tap water myself. Phd at 6.5ish. Room temp. Its has micronutes and its cheap.:thumbsup:
SmokeMyPiece
09-12-2011, 02:54 AM
I use tapwater as well.
*if you have a water-softener(you would know), get from outside faucet.
well its 4:40am mst here in utah and just checked the girls, they still dont looked liked they budged this is driving me nuts i never had plants grow so damn slow in my life ,maybe they sent me some bunk seeds ............its a weed it should be growing like a weed been a week today since planted them still havent had to raise the lights yet and i am just barely seeing the second set of serated leaves coming in i literally have to take a picture with my phone to look at the picture the day before to see if i can see anything differant :mad:
Rusty Trichome
09-12-2011, 01:18 PM
Looking at your pix...I would take a fork and gently scoop under the rootball...and carefully transplant into a smaller (1 cup...?) prepared container. The larger the pot, the longer it will retain water, (especially if in moisture control formula's) which makes it virtually impossible for a newbie to gauge when to water and how much. Cannabis prefers a wet-dry cycle. Keeping the soil wet is bad for the roots and will eventually cause issues. Do yourself (and your plant) a favor and follow direction. Were there any acceptable options, we would have offered 'em to ya already.
Doubtful the problem is with the seeds. More than likely it's your "helicopter dad" approiach. (hovering and babying the babies to death) Keep in mind that in plant biology, virtually nothing good happens overnight. Patience.
Are you talking about getting your water from a kiosk? Unless you get it right after brand new filters installed...all you're buying is tap water run through potentially clogged/ineffective filters. A waste of time, effort and money. I recommend tap water unless you've killed plants with it already. But ph issues aside, usually if it's ok to drink, it should be good enough for the ladies.
thanks rusty i will try to move one into a smaller pot and see what happens i appreciate your help very much ....... if i leave one in the pot do you think eventually it will grow like it should ? i bought theys seeds online dont want to waste them they were expensive and where they are feminised seeds will transplanting them turn them male?
just transfered one of them into a smaller pot and it looks like it doesnt have hardly any roots to it i cant even see roots what the hell is going on what should i do please help my plant still green i know it should be bigger and have roots will reply at lunch going to work now
just transvered my second into a smaller pot and like i said in the previous post they dont have shit for roots is this bad or because i had in such large containers and when i transvered them will my female seeds turn male ? and ALSO is it ok for the plants leafs to reach up torwards the light? i have a cfl on them and a fan to help keep them cool is this ok?
so no more help from anyone anymore?
WashougalWonder
09-13-2011, 11:19 AM
You are one very impatient person. I suggest you go get some mental health assistance before you do yourself harm such as an ulcer or heart attack or stroke. Dude find a chill pill.
SmokeMyPiece
09-13-2011, 01:57 PM
Cálmate!
From seed is hectic if you havnt done before. There can be a good week-2weeks of 'stalled growth'.
-When the seed pops, it grows a single taproot that will first grow straight down until it hits the bottom of the pot, then start throwin side shoots. This is why a smaller cup is beneficial.
Leave em be, and let em dry out before watering. They gotta work for food if you want em to grow.
Rusty Trichome
09-13-2011, 07:31 PM
I've transplanted more seedlings like that than most have grown seedlings. It's less damaging to the plant than you'd think, but don't be overly aggressive when digging 'em out. Nice-n-gentle.
Some folks only visit the site once a day to offer insight and chat. But I'm with WW on this one. Would be nice to see ya relax a tad. Freaking-out will not make you learn faster. As a newbie, perhaps it would be best if you waited to freak out, till AFTER one of us tells you it's time to freak, lol. You're killing any positive energy you might have...
Heat is likely the the reason your leaves 'reach for the lights'. But I have grown under extreme heat conditions for the past decade almost, and can say from experience...as long as the bulb isn't burning the leaves, the 'reaching for the light' is virtually a non-issue. (within limits, of course) I wait to turn-on my A/C till it's 90 degrees (ambient) inside. They adapt quickly and it mellow's out. But keep the bulbs off of the plants.
Once a male, always a male. Once a female, always a female. They don't 'convert'. You can stress 'em into hermaphrodism, or they may have weak genetics to begin with...but seedlings are not afflicted with hermaphrodism. If stressed too much, seedlings will die long before you even get a chance to tell what sex they are. (were)
Also, before I forget...
Growing cannabis you'll ear lots of advise from all sorts of people. DO NOT just jump into doing something because you read it, and beware of marketing hype. I've seen folks get all hot to trot trying something new, and end-up ruining their crop. If someone tells you to do something, or a company says their snake oil is the bomb...Google it to see what other's think.
polishpollack
09-14-2011, 04:04 AM
Well, so much for pushit's large rootmass theory. Could be just failure to thrive, bad genes or bad soil. Hard to say.
"helicopter dad" - hysterical, constant flyby.
Is it ok to have a little fan on my girls while they are still seedlings? I don't have it teal close and it is only like a six inch fan or will it hurt or stunt them? Also so since theys were feminised they will still bud even if I stressed them out? There still growing slow starting to get three leaf sweated node now and when should I turn my metal halide 250 watt on them? Again I appreciate all the help haven to me
Rusty Trichome
09-14-2011, 06:38 PM
That small of a fan shouldn't do any damage. I keep my seedlings and small clones below the full-force (lowest setting though) of the oscillating fan, but the fan remains on while lights are on. In flower I don't EVER turn the fans off unless it's to take a picture.
I have two grow rooms right now. An indoor "growth" room (400w HPS) and an outdoor flowering shed. (1000w HPS) As long as the seedlings aren't overheated and as long as the soil doesn't dry too quickly, they should be fine under your 250 MH. Keep a close eye on 'em (no problemn there, I'm sure, lol) for the first couple days so you know what you're dealing with. If normal light distance is 9" from tops, raise it to about 18 inches and watch the seedlings' reaction. Slowly lower it over a week or so till you get the light to a "normal" distance. To determine "normal" distance...Stretch-out your hand, place it palm down, just above the tops of the plants, below the warmed-up light. If your hand can tollerate about a minute without getting pretty hot, your acclimated seedlings should do fine. (don't touch the bulb)
You can also do fine with CFL's, but I much prefer HID's for lumens and penetration.
so its ok to turn on my HID and i Have a HPS bulb to what should i use to grow theys ? the HPS or MH? and how far should i start the light from tops of plants and what temp is to hot in my 5 ft by 7 ft grow closet?
WashougalWonder
09-15-2011, 12:04 PM
Air movement is very, very important at all growth stages.
Plant growth stops at 80 degrees ROOT temperature. The plant itself can handle well over 100 if roots are cool.
You do not mention the wattage of the bulbs. At this time it should be the MH bulb. It should be close enough to warm the back of your hand, but not so close as to be uncomfortable at your hand. The leaves reaching for the light is a good sign by the way.
Both of my HPS and MH bulbs are 250 watts im sure that should be plenty for two to three plants........I have my plants and little planters right now approx 6 to 7 inches in diameter and about the same deep . I just didnt know how close i should put them to the light? I pretty much knew to use the MH for veg stage but have heard people say they used a HPS through there whole growth of there plants> Again I appreciate all the help
pushit
09-16-2011, 12:15 AM
Well, so much for pushit's large rootmass theory. Could be just failure to thrive, bad genes or bad soil. Hard to say.
"helicopter dad" - hysterical, constant flyby.
Seems that way. Cant win them all:D
polishpollack
09-16-2011, 05:16 AM
Ideally you use both lights, but just watch your temp. You can use just the sodium if you want or MH first, the sodium in flower. but both is probably best.
so whats the distance to put my 250 Watt MH from my 2 week old plants? and what is to hot my grow area is 78 to 80 is that too hot ? thats with the MH on?
polishpollack
09-17-2011, 03:15 AM
washougalwonder answered this one.
using just my 250 watt MH is all the light i need right ? I dont need any other type of lights or anything?
WashougalWonder
09-17-2011, 01:16 PM
for now, correct.
still having slow growth my super skunk is barley starting to grow the 5 serated leaf structure it looks like but my Ak48 is still only on the Three leaf serated leaf ...........also is it normal for them to look a lighter green color in the middle of the top of the plant compared to everything else? from when my lights turn on til i wake up in the morning is almost 6 and a half to seven hours and you dont see any growth from it in that time. Is that normal? I know patience lol ......also when is the best time to water my plants ? right before the light turns off? or any time during the day?
WashougalWonder
09-18-2011, 01:03 PM
Look, the only way you will 'see' growth is to go away for a day or two.
Water when it is needed. Time does not matter.
Purple Daddy
09-18-2011, 02:44 PM
Dude, if you are trying to watch them grow you'll never notice it! You're WAY over thinking all of this. It's not as easy as planting and watering but it isn't all that much more difficult unless you make it that way.
I started all my seedlings in those 4 oz compost cups from the dollar store. Once they get a few sets of leaves I moved them to 32 oz cups which they grew to about 2 feet tall before transplanting. I only do this because I don't want to waste soil and containers on seeds that don't sprout or seedlings that may die the first few weeks or plants that just don't look right.
painretreat
09-19-2011, 01:17 AM
:weedpoke:I am not an accomplished grower. However, I know it is better to water during daylight and not at night. However, as close as you watch these babies-I doubt they lack anything: Except time to grow!
Once they get settled and start to grow---they will grow like weeds! Sit back and enjoy! pr
I have a problem i have one of my plants in a 6 inch round 6 inch deep clay pot with one about one inch drain hole in it i was checking the leaves picked up the pot and noticed there is a root sticking way out the drain hole is this bad? and what or do i need to do anything for this? i just barley transplanted them from 3 gallon pots to this 6 inch pot a week ago and if i do something should i put it back into the 3 gallon pot or is it ok with root coming out? and how will this affect my plant ? please help!!!!:(
Purple Daddy
09-20-2011, 08:26 AM
from when my lights turn on til i wake up in the morning is almost 6 and a half to seven hours and you dont see any growth from it in that time.>>>>>>>>
<rolling my eyes> Yeah, you probably won't notice any growth from the time you go to bed until the time you wake up.
Do you watch paint dry? Does it make it dry any faster?
I just need help with my problem about a root i think it might be the main root coming out the inch round drain hole in my clay pot. What do i need to do if anyone can help ? i posted a post before purplee daddys comment if you can read it and please help me?
Purple Daddy
09-20-2011, 02:54 PM
Put it in a bigger pot, you should have just left them alone in the first place. JMO
Rusty Trichome
09-20-2011, 08:44 PM
Leaving 'em to stunt wasn't a good idea. Twas an easy fix, and gives him a better chance of keeping 'em than if left in a tougher to maintain situation.
Plants, as with kids, have growth spurts.
Patience is a big part of successful gardening. I suggest you find some somewhere, somehow, and back-off from the panic.
Always give a minimum of a week or two of recovery time before transplanting or messing with the roots again.
hey rusty so your telling me that the root coming out the bottom of my pot isnt a problem? cuz i read online and hear jorge cervantes say keep your roots out of light........so is it ok to transplant them into a bigger pot now? will it hurt it? it is nice green looks healthy and like i said has the five blade serated leaf set
WashougalWonder
09-21-2011, 12:12 PM
Sorry I can't take any more of this OCD Later
Rusty Trichome
09-21-2011, 12:44 PM
If it is looking good, why do you want to dick with it...?
The root you see isn't the plant's only root. It's likely one of many. Peeking out of the hole, likely the root tip it will wither-up and die, but this does not kill a plant. It doesn't even kill the entire root.
Do not transplant till the leaftips grow over the edge of the cup. In other words, if you look down at the plant from above, and can still see edges of the cup...hold off on transplanting.
Are you reading any of these suggestions we offer...?
Even though a book is good for general knowledge, I think that if you are having issues...it's likely best to get your advise from those that can answer questions and explain the process. (you can't ask a book questions specific to your situation)
What does Cervantes say about patience?
i appreciate the help i do have patience and sorry if it doesnt seem that way by the way i talkk.
also another question is it ok to keep a little 4 inch fan on it the whole 18 hrs of light that it is on? does this help or hurt it?
i really do appreciate your help rusty and everyone elses i just want to make sure i do it right with theys seeds cuz how much i paid for them
again thank u
Purple Daddy
09-21-2011, 04:03 PM
Leaving 'em to stunt wasn't a good idea. >>>>>>
How do they reproduce in mother nature? Certainely the mother plant doesn't carefully place her seed in a small cup then transplant it to a bigger container. I've used small cups for seeds just because I don't want to waste a bunch of soil/containers/space on plants that look like they may not pull through the first month.
This guy is bouncing off the walls in a rubber room, IMO he's better off to have left the thing alone as I'm sure eventually the plant would do whatever it was going to do.
b lo..just listen to rusty...he knows what he is doing...purple daddy likes to give protein shakes to his plants
Lit Up
09-21-2011, 10:45 PM
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/148236-why-should-i-re-pot-my-plant-why-not-put-seed-large-pot.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/151941-importance-continuous-canopy-its-all-about-efficiency-baby.html
Hey bud, read these and take a chill pill. The route your going; you'll never, ever, enjoy (produce) good quality smoke. You need relax.
P.S. Anything written by stinky as well worth reading.
Rusty Trichome
09-22-2011, 12:15 PM
Use care with overnight fans. I use 'em, but angle 'em to point in the space between the lights and the plants till they're strong and mature enough to handle the fan 24/7.
How do they reproduce in mother nature? Certainely the mother plant doesn't carefully place her seed in a small cup then transplant it to a bigger container. I've used small cups for seeds just because I don't want to waste a bunch of soil/containers/space on plants that look like they may not pull through the first month.
This guy is bouncing off the walls in a rubber room, IMO he's better off to have left the thing alone as I'm sure eventually the plant would do whatever it was going to do.
Seriously?
Do you think mother nature is limited to an expensive 10 pack of designer seeds that she can't afford to replace if something goes wrong? Do you think this is mother nature's first grow? Do you think maybe that plants in the wild have generations of acclimation, yet we demand immediate plant compliance indoors?
Regardless of what you THINK...I KNOW the transplant was right. And perhaps you missed this part of his post, so I'll quote him here:
it is nice green looks healthy and like i said has the five blade serated leaf set
Think it might be best to think before you speak, PD?
thanks again for all the help plants still look healthy for now ! the only time i keep my fan on them is while the light is on then it goes off with the lights......also my temp in my grow room is around 78 to 80 tops is this to hot? and when lightys turn off temp drops to about 70 to 69 again Thank You very much
Rusty Trichome
09-23-2011, 03:25 PM
Your temps sound fine. Try reading a page or two of my Dealing with heat issues thread in my signature. Might ease your mind a tad, at least about the heat.
ok thank you i will .......
Rusty Trichome
09-23-2011, 10:01 PM
Keep us informed. :thumbsup:[HR]
WashougalWonder
09-24-2011, 12:54 PM
I am sure he will :)
come on WashougalWonder bein funny guy now huh?...........Another question when should i start giving them fertilizer? i have them in Miracle Grow soil
that claims it feeds for three monthes ? Again I appreciate all the help sorry if i came off like a dumb ass or stupid but I just wanted to make sure i did theys right cuz the amount of money into them.
Rusty Trichome
09-24-2011, 04:03 PM
Newbies say the cutest things...but sometimes it can get on your nerves, lol.
Which Miracle Grow soil are you using? The 3 month formula will last just over a month, perhaps 6 weeks before you'll notice some changes in the plant. This is usually the point where you'd start giving half-doses of growth nutrients, or transplant into a larger container. If using CFL's for flower, I would just transplant. If the plants get too large, you'll have problems with inadequate lights for flowering. (the bigger the plants, the more light you'll need to power photosynthesis)
If you stay in Miracle Grow soil, you'll want to perform a final transplant about 2 or 3 weeks before you plan on flowering. This gives the plant a chance to burn-off some of the nutrients before switching to flower. Tiz a good idea to flush the new soil, since it dumps a strong nitrogen component upon first watering, then it will stabilize to a more even ratio of nutrients. (per a response to an e-mail I sent Scotts Miracle Grow)
The flush is optional, but I prefered not to have that nitrogen dump, so close to flowering.
If using the 6 month formula...good luck. I looked for another mix after failing miserably with it. If you can find Fox Farms Ocean Forest, it's virtually a stand-alone mix that's simple and easy.
What nutrients are you planning on using for flowering? Now's the time to think about it...if you haven't sone so already.
I just have the regular Mirical grow moisture control says it feeds for 3 monthes been three weeks since planted i have them under a 250 watt MH for 18/6 with a little 4 inch fan on them for the same time temp ranges from 78 to 81 with light on and gets down to 68 to 71 with lights off with around 25 % to 40% humitity
i have some powder nutes that says its for tomatoes i think it is 18-18-21 is this good to use? it is also made by mirical grow is it to early to mix a 1/8th teaspoon
to 32 fl oz of water and spray on the leaves?
Rusty Trichome
09-24-2011, 10:07 PM
I wouldn't feed till the nutrients in the Miracle Grow burn-off. And with your MG, I'd give a 1/4 dose the first time, if necessary. The plants will let you know.
Cannabis eprefers a wet-dry cycle. So let the soil dry quite a bit between waterings. The more you water, the more nutrients are released, so don't keep watering to keep the soil wet. The moisture control formula will hold the moisture almost too much, so use care. Best to err on the side of underwatering a tad than overwatering a tad.
Might want to check some of the grow logs to see what other's are using for flowering, and why. But I'd go with something with at least half as much nitrogen than phosphorous, and at a lower N-P-K rate. (the lower the numbers, the 'lighter' the solution at the recommended dilution) I use Fox Farms Tiger Bloom and mollasses. I haven't foliar sprayed a plant in a few years. Still unsure why the need or desire... If you're using a solid nutrient, one shouldn't need to clog stomata and risk over/over feeding, lockouts, burn...
Most MG nutrient products I've used, the recommended dosages are for a 10 day to 2 week period. Keep that in mind...
question if i bought feminised seeds is there anyway when i go to flower my plants that they will turn to male if they were stressed out to much? was just thinking about it or is a female seed a female regardless if its stressed?
Rusty Trichome
09-26-2011, 03:48 PM
Why...what did you do now...? :wtf: <kidding>
Short answer...Yes...Stress can cause hermaphrodism in virtually any strain. It's a self-pollinating strategy that the plants developed over many, many generations.
Since the mother plant the femmed seeds came from was stressed to throw-out nanners, some believe that femmed seeds are more suceptible to hermaphrodism, and thusly less able to handle stress without turning. I doubt that one successive femming will do harm to the genes, but I personally would prefer to keep intentional femming to one generation.
If you buy quality femmed seeds from a commercial grower, and you are certain you caused the stress, you can re-veg the plant. It re-sets the growth cycles and if properly cared for this time, shouldn't throw-out nanners. I've done it a few times when femming. I'd sequester the plant,, add stress, (aspirin or light poisoning) harvest the pollen from the first dozen or so nanners, then chop and re-veg. Never any sign of more nanners. There's also liquid products that "reset" the process. But if you start with garbage genetics, nothing will change the inevitable.
so I should be ok then ? the plants should bud? i bought from a seed bank only thing i can think that would stress them is transplanting as of now they look GREAT
so I should be ok right ? i know hermies bud also but if its feminised i should be ok
Rusty Trichome
09-27-2011, 11:29 AM
They should be fine. :thumbsup:
tried to send a private message but wont let me is that cuz my stats arent high enough? What city you live in rusty? if its to personal you dont have to answer
i live right on arizona border thats why i ask!
is there anything i can do to help disguise the smell of my plants ? without having to order something off the internet?
CanGroIt
09-28-2011, 01:34 PM
is there anything i can do to help disguise the smell of my plants ? without having to order something off the internet?
I like to use outdoor plants as a mask for my indoor plants.... Go to a local nursery and ask if they can show you plants that give off fragrances.... Get a decorative pot(s) and plant it, or them, near or close enough to your indoor plants that people will see the plant and be none the wiser when they smell that sweet plant smell....
Just my :twocents:....
CGI::::::
Just a Quick Question what causes the very tip of the plant leave to curl down its about 1/2 inch of the tip on a few leaves? is this normal and ok? and on two leave the tips are brown abiut 1/8 inch of tip what is that? again i appreciate all the help and comments
Rusty Trichome
10-03-2011, 12:02 PM
Could be overwatering a bit. But would like to see a picture before committing to it.
yea its just the tips of some leaves , im at lunch break right now ill try get some pictures on here tonight for ya to look at i just dont want my plant taking a shit on me after that long and money spent on it.......can u tell me if there is a way to send private messages? Thanks Again
[attachment=o279008][attachment=o279009][attachment=o279010] ok here are some pictures . on the first two you can see the tips of the leaves ,what makes them yellow like that ? what am i doin wrong and do my girls look good? they are exactly a month old today
Rusty Trichome
10-06-2011, 01:04 PM
ok here are some pictures . on the first two you can see the tips of the leaves ,what makes them yellow like that ?
Could be anything from slight overwatering, slight nutrient excess, low ambient humidity...
Whatever the cause, as long as it stays at the tips like that, it's no big deal at all. Let us know if it spreads...
Is it ok to trim some of the bottom leaves and if so will it stunt my plants growth? Also how long should i wait before i start the flowering process?
I want as much as i can get off of it
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