With Republicans Like These, Who Needs Democrats?

[pisshead]

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With Republicans Like These, Who Needs Democrats?


By Chuck Baldwin


Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon
May 4, 2005 My friend Howard Phillips recently wrote a column outlining the philosophy and historical track record of the Republican Party since George W. Bush became President. Sad to say, even a cursory review of this record reveals the fact that the Republican Party in Washington, D.C., has become little more than a carbon copy of the Democratic Party.

Phillips writes, "Sadly, the GOP's elected and appointed officials conform themselves almost without exception to that which Mr. Bush espouses, including:

a. an expanded Federal role in education,

b. record setting subsidies for pro-abortion and pro- homosexual organizations,

c. increased funding for the United Nations,

d. the attempted extension of Bill Clinton's assault weapons ban (blocked in Congress),

e. social Security benefits for illegal aliens who have returned to Mexico,

f. the ongoing reduction of the U.S. Navy (which now stands at 289 ships, compared to 600 under Ronald Reagan),

g. amnesty for illegal aliens,

h. nominees for the Federal judiciary and the Office of Attorney General who espouse the doctrine that Roe v. Wade is 'settled law',

i. support for Food and Drug Administration policies approving the abortion 'pill', RU-486, which has been used to kill scores of thousands of unborn children,

j. overturning Ronald Reagan's decision to withdraw from UNESCO,

k. increased funding for the National Endowment for the Arts,

l. multi-billion dollar support for the Federal Legal Services Corporation and its 25,000 left-wing legal activists,

m. murder-abetting assistance to the Communist government in Angola,

n. historically high multi-trillion dollar fiscal deficits and trade deficits,

o. a multi-trillion dollar Medicare entitlement program,

p. a $20 million 'New Freedom' program to evaluate the mental health of 53 million students in the government schools.

q. enactment of the McCain-Feingold campaign regulation law which criminalizes free speech,

r. support for the U.N. Law of the Sea Treaty (UNLOST) which President Reagan rejected,

s. endorsement of homosexual 'civil unions',

t. promotion of FTAA, NAFTA, CAFTA, and the WTO,

u. a too broadly drawn Patriot Act with its outrageous 'sneak and peek' provisions,

and many more things, a significant proportion of which would have been blocked by a Republican Congress had a Democrat President proposed them." Of course, most conservatives have chosen to ignore or even deny these facts. The only answer they seem to come up with is, "Think how bad it would be if Democrats were in charge." However, with Republicans like these, who needs Democrats? © Chuck Baldwin

[bhallg2k]

a. an expanded Federal role in education (While severely underfunding the mandates of No Child Left Behind. Besides, all that is being done with NCLB is that kids are becoming really good test-takers while losing out on learning a wider variety of subjects)

b. record setting subsidies for pro-abortion and pro- homosexual organizations (Those "subsidies" are for non-descriminatory clinics that care for low-income people)

c. increased funding for the United Nations (It's not an icrease in funsing. We've owed hundreds of millions in dues for years without any action at all. So we're finally paying up)

d. the attempted extension of Bill Clinton's assault weapons ban (blocked in Congress) (Do you really need an uzi? And why are those on the U.S. terrorist watch list STILL ALLOWED TO BUY GUNS IN AMERICA?)

e. social Security benefits for illegal aliens who have returned to Mexico (That's the GOP attempt to win votes from Latinos)

f. the ongoing reduction of the U.S. Navy (which now stands at 289 ships, compared to 600 under Ronald Reagan) (Last time I checked, terrorists weren't deploying too many carriers)

g. amnesty for illegal aliens (See E)

h. nominees for the Federal judiciary and the Office of Attorney General who espouse the doctrine that Roe v. Wade is 'settled law' (Has been since 1973)

i. support for Food and Drug Administration policies approving the abortion 'pill', RU-486, which has been used to kill scores of thousands of unborn children (RU-486 is NOT an abortion bill. It prevents the fertilization of an egg before a fetus is even created)

j. overturning Ronald Reagan's decision to withdraw from UNESCO (The whole idea behine UNESCO is sort of a "1st Amendment for the World." What's wrong with that?)

k. increased funding for the National Endowment for the Arts (So?)

l. multi-billion dollar support for the Federal Legal Services Corporation and its 25,000 left-wing legal activists (who happen to serve extremely poor people in the justice system)

m. murder-abetting assistance to the Communist government in Angola (The U.S. foreign policy has always been self-serving regardless of the consequences, see: 1980's Iraq)

n. historically high multi-trillion dollar fiscal deficits and trade deficits (Right on with that one, only Republicans would think to cut taxes at every step no matter how it adds up, or more precisely, doesn't)

o. a multi-trillion dollar Medicare entitlement program (Would you like to be the one that says, "You're sick and poor? Aww, too bad")

p. a $20 million 'New Freedom' program to evaluate the mental health of 53 million students in the government schools (I don't get that either)

q. enactment of the McCain-Feingold campaign regulation law which criminalizes free speech (More like, levels the playing field so that huge corporations don't run the table during elections with massive political contributions)

r. support for the U.N. Law of the Sea Treaty (UNLOST) which President Reagan rejected (As it stands, the areas of the sea affected are under no ones control at all and the treaty does nothing to change territorial waters)

s. endorsement of homosexual 'civil unions' (The US Constitution calls for equal protection under the law. So if straight people can be married, so can gays, at least legally. It's up to churches whether or not they perform the ceremonies)

t. promotion of FTAA, NAFTA, CAFTA, and the WTO (Which in the end, could prevent outsourcing of US jobs if all member-states act responsibly and honestly)

u. a too broadly drawn Patriot Act with its outrageous 'sneak and peek' provisions (I agree with the criticism of this. Scrap the Patriot Act altogether)



Wow, I've defending republicans for the first time in my life. Such a weird experience.

[Stedric]

The Patriot Act has a built in defense system...if you disagree with it then you aren't a Patriot. Stupid, really.

[amsterdam]

the world is a different place after 9/11.this is a war unlike any other in history.sometimes you have to sacrafice.get over it.

[F L E S H]

"get over it"

I think you should put that in your sig, amsterdam... It seems to be your favorite (and least effective and annoying, I might add) comeback

bhallg2k, thanks for putting this guy in his place. It's too easy to take anything out of context and say 'oh look! republicans are really democrats and democrats are really republicans!'

And don't worry, you're not actually defending republicans, you're just setting records straight... :D

[amsterdam]

i like the patriot act.i know there needs to be some modifacations but scrapping the whole thing is funny as hell.

[pisshead]

to think that just one side of this fake political system is going to save the country or do anything different or uphold the constitution is just a little naive.

but if it helps people to think that...fine, i don't care. i, personally, don't see a difference between them.

george bush has basically done what clinton did, except fund it more, make government bigger, and give us more debt. he's not really conservative.

[bhallg2k]

Yeah, I just love The Patriot Act. I mean, who cares if the government can break into my house, look at my library records and even listen in on my telephone conversations all without my knowledge. Hell, they don't even have to show a judge suspicion of illegal activity.

Just go ahead and bend that 4th Amendment right over and fuck it really hard.

As far as "getting over it," that we have to make sacrifices; at what point do you think our "sacrifices" take away the very meaning of being an American?

Anybody ever read "1984?"

[EverydayJunglist]

nicely put bhallg2k. It's pretty hard to argue that.

[amsterdam]

Yeah, I just love The Patriot Act. I mean, who cares if the government can break into my house, look at my library records and even listen in on my telephone conversations all without my knowledge. Hell, they don't even have to show a judge suspicion of illegal activity.

Just go ahead and bend that 4th Amendment right over and fuck it really hard.

As far as "getting over it," that we have to make sacrifices; at what point do you think our "sacrifices" take away the very meaning of being an American?

Anybody ever read "1984?"


you are the PERFECT example of democrat lies and bullshit.have you even actually read the patriot act??(dont just say you have to seem cool)

THE GOVT. CANNOT LOOK AT YOUR LIBRARY CARDS AND SEE WHAT YOU CHECKED OUT.THAT IS A FACT. :cool:

[XTC]

Just because it says they cant Doesnt mean they cant... so to speak. But as long as you don't have a towel and are making bombs in your basement. You shouldnt have to worry about the goverment seeing what you checked out of some library

[amsterdam]

thats all i was saying.people get all paranoid over nothing.

[pisshead]

Yeah, I just love The Patriot Act. I mean, who cares if the government can break into my house, look at my library records and even listen in on my telephone conversations all without my knowledge. Hell, they don't even have to show a judge suspicion of illegal activity.

Just go ahead and bend that 4th Amendment right over and fuck it really hard.

As far as "getting over it," that we have to make sacrifices; at what point do you think our "sacrifices" take away the very meaning of being an American?

Anybody ever read "1984?"we're basically living in 1984 right now, with some hints of brave new world, but we're not that far along, yet...but it's come about so slowly and been used as a response and tool to fight terrorism, that people don't care. they will give up all of their rights if they think terrorism is really that much of a threat.

here we are losing our constitution and bill of rights...to fight those evil freedom hating terrorists...section 802 of the patriot act, like has finally been admitted by the DoD, says any violation of state or federal law can be considered terrorism. crime is terrorism...watch for those phrases to be repeated on all the mainstream channels...to drill that into peoples' heads. to fight 'terrorism AND crime...'...over and over...

we just haven't reached the level of mass arrests yet and persecution. the patriot act makes the American Revolution an Act of Terrorism. how dare they try to change their tyrannical government. terrorists. and then when people finally wake up and realize who's behind the terrorism to get control of the US (it' ain't muslims), and they want to fight back...the police states' been militarized and there are robots walking around on the street, and they'll be a terrorist if they fight back.

the constant threat and veil of terrorism is being used to condition us to accept a martial law type government, slowly but surely...if people can't see how things have changed even in the last 20 years...come on, open your eyes.

wow, who really stands to gain from the terrorism? i'm not afraid of muslims, i'm afraid of rich world bankers in suits who don't care about laws, among others.

at what point do you think our "sacrifices" take away the very meaning of being an American?

that question you asked gets to a key point in this whole war on terror...doesn't it?

[amsterdam]

that is some of the funniest shit i have ever read.

you are a scary guy for real.do you where tin-foil on your head too?

im serious,that was funny as hell.

[amsterdam]

after playing on this site while at work for a couple months i must say pisshead,you seem to be getting worse off.i am in no way trying to insult you,but you need to talk to a professional.

[pisshead]

your opinion means nothing to me.

[amsterdam]

i realize that guy but have you ever sought pro help?

[pisshead]

for thinking something other than my government is in no way corrupt and loves me and cares for me and has my best interest in mind?

holy shit! i'm insane.

[amsterdam]

not at all,but you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy paranoid about some bizarre things that are NOTHING and never will be ya know.i know you know that.

[XTC]

Dude.. What I am kinda high but here's a thought. We have PPV event of some kind. Like Some WWF stuff thrown in and Have Torog in and Pisshead go at it with some kinda political twist.

[pisshead]

also, i remember seeing on foxnews and cnn around 9/11 the big story about the put options on the airlines used...and by gosh golly gee we'll just figure out who made those and we'll be on our way to incriminating bin laden from that cave...

then it was dropped like a hot potato...

does anyone who believes the 19 freedom hating hijacker theory think that evidence wouldn't be helpful in any way and would tell us nothing? record put options before 9/11 go unclaimed...pretty easy to find out who made them...but that doesn't matter, here's a picture of osama we'll flash on your screen and that means he did it?

and building 7? if anyone has seen dozens and dozens of controlled demolitions on video...this is clearly a controlled demolition...

how did bin laden do this? which of the freedom hating hijakcers wired the building to be brought down suddenly around 5:30pm on 9/11? pictures and firefighters records say the building had only a few small fires, while other modern steel buildings can burn for days and never collapse. the owner is on a pbs documentary about 9/11 saying he made the decision to pull the building and then they watched it fall...am i to believe they just wired the buliding in a few hours to come down perfectly? i've never seen such a beautifully brought down building, except towers 1 and 2.

serious responses to how this could have happened please...

[EverydayJunglist]

thats all i was saying.people get all paranoid over nothing.
alot of people have a pretty god damn good reason to be paranoid.Who gives fuck if he is paranoid or not.Our 4th ammendment has detiorated nonetheless.As americans we pride ourselves on the freedoms we are entitled too.America does have alot of problems,but i wouldn't want to live anywhere else I dont think.

[amsterdam]

i second that.

[bhallg2k]

you are the PERFECT example of democrat lies and bullshit.have you even actually read the patriot act??(dont just say you have to seem cool)

THE GOVT. CANNOT LOOK AT YOUR LIBRARY CARDS AND SEE WHAT YOU CHECKED OUT.THAT IS A FACT. :cool:

I haven't read The Patriot Act, no. And why would it make me cool if I did?

The point about The Patriot Act isn't about what it says, it's about what it doesn't say. The bill was passed into law with no public hearings and no congressional committee markup, as is the case with every other law. So the government is exploiting any ambiguity that lies within the law.

Section 215 of The Patriot Act, which can be read by searching for H.R. 3162 here (http://thomas.loc.gov), has been used to search library records. Assistant Attorney General Viet Dinh said FBI "agents have contacted about 50 libraries nationwide in the course of terrorism investigations" in the Report to the House Judiciary Committee on the USA PATRIOT Act and Related Measures (May 13, 2003) which confirmed further that "the Justice Department has used many of these anti-terrorism powers to pursue defendants for crimes unrelated to terrorism, including drug violations, credit card fraud, and bank theft." Additionally, a University of Illinois survey of librarians in 2002 stated that "hundreds of libraries had reported contacts from federal agents."

So maybe you should read The Patriot Act

[ihateapplesandsalt]

the world is a different place after 9/11.this is a war unlike any other in history.sometimes you have to sacrafice.get over it.

War really is the health of the state isn't it? This new 'war on terror' is completely in sync with the machinations of the American Empire since WWII, the rhetoric is basically lifted right from the Reagan administration's 'war on terror'. Now a question, why and what 'must we sacrifice'?

[amsterdam]

I haven't read The Patriot Act, no. And why would it make me cool if I did?

The point about The Patriot Act isn't about what it says, it's about what it doesn't say. The bill was passed into law with no public hearings and no congressional committee markup, as is the case with every other law. So the government is exploiting any ambiguity that lies within the law.

Section 215 of The Patriot Act, which can be read by searching for H.R. 3162 here (http://thomas.loc.gov), has been used to search library records. Assistant Attorney General Viet Dinh said FBI "agents have contacted about 50 libraries nationwide in the course of terrorism investigations" in the Report to the House Judiciary Committee on the USA PATRIOT Act and Related Measures (May 13, 2003) which confirmed further that "the Justice Department has used many of these anti-terrorism powers to pursue defendants for crimes unrelated to terrorism, including drug violations, credit card fraud, and bank theft." Additionally, a University of Illinois survey of librarians in 2002 stated that "hundreds of libraries had reported contacts from federal agents."

So maybe you should read The Patriot Act


if you havent even read it how do you know what it does or dosent say?

were any of the people on the record?or were these just "people"that wrote in?

[Marlboroman]

man Amsterdam you are one tough cookie, but your also blinded by your own anger. but its not your fault my man. you were taught that anger.

you were taught your closed mind way of thinking, and i blame your educators for not showing you how to truely think.

there really is nothing more to say to you except enjoy your confinement.

Did you know they are already implanting US children with RFID's? you can even go pay to get one yourself for $500 US. Stateing ways to make your life easier like being able to pay for things right off that chip in your wrist by scanning it over some sort of detector. Or better yet lets just tattoo a number on there for ya.

Under the cover of technical advancement our GOV is systematically going to tag each one of us like animals in the wild.

So I take it you want to be controlled?

you like the looming threats of a New World Order?

You my freind are the frog that did not jump from the pot.

The only thing we can really hope for is that we can still get ahold of weapons when its time. but with gun control mounting an offensive i bet we lose those rights too.

And ya any sort of revolt against our GOV my citizens or aliens is considered Terrorism by the patriot act.

What I dont understand about your narrow point of view is how you can be comfortable with it. Is it you think you are powerless to do anything about it? so in fact you just join them?

what is it please?.. what makes you beleive what you beleive?

My evidence is on the TV everyday.... where is yours?

Where is the evidence that all is well?

[amsterdam]

i am 26,i own my own nice house,2 cars,i have hot wife,make alot of money in the market,travel to europe a couple times a year,a great job,a college degree,pay my own bills(no mommy money).like i said,if life were any better i would shit myself.

i think thaat your evidence is on t.v. is funny as hell.you know what that is called right?a sheep.

if i took anything from schools?all my teachers were flaming liberals?

my narrow point of view?of course i am happy with it.we are right and will prevail like we already are.when i was a CHILD i was into the anti gov crap.i grew up.all you guys preach the same stuff.its the same message your type has preached since 1960.guess what,your days are numbered.this is 2005.

[Marlboroman]

i am 26,i own my own nice house,2 cars,i have hot wife,make alot of money in the market,travel to europe a couple times a year,a great job,a college degree,pay my own bills(no mommy money).like i said,if life were any better i would shit myself.

i think thaat your evidence is on t.v. is funny as hell.you know what that is called right?a sheep.

if i took anything from schools?all my teachers were flaming liberals?

my narrow point of view?of course i am happy with it.we are right and will prevail like we already are.when i was a CHILD i was into the anti gov crap.i grew up.all you guys preach the same stuff.its the same message your type has preached since 1960.guess what,your days are numbered.this is 2005.

yes our days are numbered because of people just like you. What i really find funny is that i support my claims with some sort of example.

you on the other hand simply say im wrong and or out of my mind, without stateing a single retort to any of the things ive said.

as far as being a sheep?... your the one that thinks terrorism exists.

if there was a force capable of attacking us in a meaningfull manner they would have already done it.

why build our armed forces when there is nobody to defend ourselves against?

why with such a concern for terroism is the Canadian border ungaurded for thousands of miles? Im not trying to convince you Amsterdam. that would be impossible to do since you seem to be a full force facist ready to claim a few poor slaves for yourself.

with things of this nature happening thru history. why do you discount it so?

what makes your view the right one? what makes mine the right one for that matter.

the problem is that you like millions of other americans think this cant happen to you for some reason, you have some sort of inbreed loyalty to a make beleive party that combats another make beleive party on issues of seemingly useless basis.

its all done on purpose, as long as they can keep you occupied with some issue that has no real impact on your life they are free to engineer the ones that do. and you are falling for the whole thing man.

I am not against GOV you need it you need a way to keep peace with so many people running around. but the current trend and disappearing civil liberties is not what we as Americans should be striveing for.

[amsterdam]

yes our days are numbered because of people just like you. What i really find funny is that i support my claims with some sort of example.

you on the other hand simply say im wrong and or out of my mind, without stateing a single retort to any of the things ive said.

as far as being a sheep?... your the one that thinks terrorism exists.

if there was a force capable of attacking us in a meaningfull manner they would have already done it.

why build our armed forces when there is nobody to defend ourselves against?

why with such a concern for terroism is the Canadian border ungaurded for thousands of miles? Im not trying to convince you Amsterdam. that would be impossible to do since you seem to be a full force facist ready to claim a few poor slaves for yourself.

with things of this nature happening thru history. why do you discount it so?

what makes your view the right one? what makes mine the right one for that matter.

the problem is that you like millions of other americans think this cant happen to you for some reason, you have some sort of inbreed loyalty to a make beleive party that combats another make beleive party on issues of seemingly useless basis.

its all done on purpose, as long as they can keep you occupied with some issue that has no real impact on your life they are free to engineer the ones that do. and you are falling for the whole thing man.

I am not against GOV you need it you need a way to keep peace with so many people running around. but the current trend and disappearing civil liberties is not what we as Americans should be striveing for.


so that was your long winded way of saying you havent lost any freedom.i thought so.

i dont even know what your going at with the slave remark but none of my family was even in this country until after all that.

its not that i think im right,its that all the lefts ideas are wrong.there are tons of stupid republican ideas,but we have the solutions.the left has none.

i find it truly breath taking that you dont think there is terrorism.breath taking.

NAME 1 FREEDOM THAT YOU HAVE PERSONALLY LOST.JUST ONE.YOU CANT.

[amsterdam]

you should join teddy kennedy with your head in the sand thinking of the Yakuza and the italian mafia are the greatest threats to america.LOL.

toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo funny.you guys wouldnt think we had athreat until chinese tanks are rolling down michigan ave.

[amsterdam]

if you hadnt noticed with the defeat of all major liberal candidates around the globe.people are growing tired of liberal ideas since they havent produced any thing important.for the most part liberals have been on the WRONG side of every major issue since the cold war.(that nuclear freeze idea worked well didnt it)LOL.

[amsterdam]

you should join teddy kennedy with your head in the sand thinking of the Yakuza and the italian mafia are the greatest threats to america.LOL.

toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo funny.you guys wouldnt think we had athreat until chinese tanks are rolling down michigan ave.


THEN YOU COWARDS WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SURRENDER LIKE A TRUE FRENCHMAN. :D ,ASKING TO BORROW MY GUNS.

[Marlboroman]

THEN YOU COWARDS WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SURRENDER LIKE A TRUE FRENCHMAN. :D ,ASKING TO BORROW MY GUNS.

you are sorely mistakin if you think i need to borrow your guns. more true to fact you will be knocking on my door for guns.

and here is one freedom even you have lost. free speech.

the patriot act makes it an act of terrorism to do any thing public or private to sway the policies of the united states. that is a huge fucking statement that makes even peacefull marches aim at legalizing MJ can be deemed an act of terrorism.

Dont like how your GOV policies affect aliens in our country?( im guessing you dont)

then plan a rally and a march and what have you, and stick your neck out to that so vaguely set up chopping block.

if you dont know where i got the slave comment thaen you havent been reading what ive posted. altho to my own admitence it could be on the other post.

[amsterdam]

we are all going to hemptest in two weeks to protest marijuana laws.no problem.no problem at all.

with the whole gun thing.im from the great state of texas.enough said.

freedom of speech,cmon.that was weak.no i havent lost that freedom and neither have you.

[Marlboroman]

The bottom line is Amsterdam, I dont know you and you dont know me, if you think I am left wing then you dont have any sense of what the GOV is actually doing. If i had to pick a side i'd pick seperatist. its prob the only side that has people on it that are concerned about there well being.

Democan or Repubicrat. either way its that same fucking party.

[Marlboroman]

we are all going to hemptest in two weeks to protest marijuana laws.no problem.no problem at all.

with the whole gun thing.im from the great state of texas.enough said.

freedom of speech,cmon.that was weak.no i havent lost that freedom and neither have you.

yes you have they just havent prosecuted anyone yet

[Marlboroman]

we are all going to hemptest in two weeks to protest marijuana laws.no problem.no problem at all.

with the whole gun thing.im from the great state of texas.enough said.

freedom of speech,cmon.that was weak.no i havent lost that freedom and neither have you.


and Im from Texas as well San Antonio

[amsterdam]

hahahaha,i knew you couldnt name one.stop regurgitating moveon talking points.think for yourself.that was great,you couldnt name ONE!just something that hasnt happened.well nice try though miss cleo.

[Marlboroman]

You know man, that is a right that has been taken away. it confuses me that you dont see that. Before there was no laws against free speech now there is.. how can you not see that?...

oh and i love that picture of Garafalo and the caption is awesome what does it say something about a war in Iraq cant go well.....

thats awesome, of course a war will go well, it makes money, thats a proven fact.

and i simply dont see how a fighting force that got rolled over in 2 weeks was any sort of threat. they were easy pickens.

and see the thing is that you cant see in front of your nose, so no one has been arrested for it yet..... BIG FUCKING DEAL, UNTIL THE PATRIOT ACT YOU COULDNT GET AREESTED FOR IT..... NOT TO MENTION YOU SAID IT RIGHT THERE IN YOUR QUOTE....

Something that hasnt happen... yet... just becuse its not inforced doesnt make the threat any less.

[amsterdam]

what were those quacks saying before the war?100,000 dead?200,000?what are we at now?1600?

as you should know,we didnt think saddams puny army was the threat,his housing of terrorists and support for it was the problem.the wmd plan was dumb i agree.but hey,we joined the 37 nations and intelligence groups that thought he did,oops.

now with democracy seeds being planted ALL OVER eastern europe and the middle east things are going better than ANYONE could have imagined.

[ihateapplesandsalt]

its not that i think im right,its that all the lefts ideas are wrong.there are tons of stupid republican ideas,but we have the solutions.the left has none.

Examples? Remember not to confuse 'the left' with 'the left' of deformed terminology of american politics.


i find it truly breath taking that you dont think there is terrorism.breath taking.

I find your ignorance and hypocrisy in defending the american empire breath taking.


NAME 1 FREEDOM THAT YOU HAVE PERSONALLY LOST.JUST ONE.YOU CANT.

First I want to express my dismay at the idea that what exists now is anything like freedom. Second, whether or not the average person has 'lost any freedoms' is not quite relevant, COINTELPRO didn't target the old lady down the street now did it?

[amsterdam]

im sure you live in tyranny huh?sucker.

when you get in trouble i know for a fact you will come begging for help from the MOST POWERFUL NATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

[amsterdam]

thats why i laugh at you.sheep being led to the slaughter seriously.its great.always good for a laugh.

makes my rich, white mans ,capitalist,republican,nazi,fascist,job go by so fast!LOL.

[amsterdam]

and thanks for using your psychic abilities to tell me that i might or might not lose my free speech.good job.lol.

oh god,there are nazis everywhere,concentration camps,gulags,is that stalin?
i bet he can help me save alot of money on my car insurance?lol.

[ihateapplesandsalt]

What the hell are you talking about? Please respond to my comments.

[amsterdam]

that wasnt directed at you.

where do you live applepoptarts

[ihateapplesandsalt]

Manitoba, what does it matter?

[pisshead]

he pulled the same crap on me...everything i say is wrong because of where i live.

[amsterdam]

canada eh?your an exception dont ya kno.thats the way you were raised.

whos your prime minister?martin?sounds like your govt has some problems of its own up there.

i know we arent perfect down here,but we are alot better off than any other country on earth.sure,we have problems but we are BALLIN down here son.

[Stedric]

The right will always prevail, eh? Funny cause I could have sworn every extremist right-slowly-approaching-fascist government in the world enjoyed a brief episode of power before crashing to the ground.

Your a fucktard.

[Marlboroman]

Amstersam has allot of anger bundle up guys you will never tame him of his wild heart.

He is a fool nonetheless. and as you can see from my conversation with him he never really sets up examples. I dont think he is capable of doing it. and if this were a conversation face to face i would have walked away after his first ignorant comment.

but you know us "librals" we are aglutten for punishment. Amsterdam you truely are a moron that has proven himself to be inept at carrying on a conversation...

here do this .. sit down for a second collect your thoughts and write them down and then read them over a few times. you know, just to make sure you have said your piece. becuase i can tell by your broken posts that you have allot of thoughts going on up there but you lack the sensibilty to write it down in a clear manner.

as for "BALLIN" ya we are the top nation in the world, no one can take us down. so why build up the armed forces?? if no ONE can fight us already, we must be getting ready for... dare i say it?... more than one. Open your eyes before you drown in your own hate.

you also talk about these democratic seeds planted all over europe, but 2 posts ago your raveing about the terrorist and how im a fool to not be afraid of them.

you are the one willing to give up your rights no matter how small or big to an invisible threat. but its not your fault you have been conditioned that way. and we the "left wingers" forgive your ignorence.

[amsterdam]

[QUOTE=Stedric]The right will always prevail, eh? Funny cause I could have sworn every extremist right-slowly-approaching-fascist government in the world enjoyed a brief episode of power before crashing to the ground.

Your a fucktard.[/QUOT

your blame america mentality amuses me.it is all prevalent on the left.your liberalism crosses the line from criticism to anti-americanism when it shows a pathological hatred of america,and when it faults the U.S. for offenses you guys routinely excuses in the nations enemies.

are liberals incapable of the kind of practical moreal reasoning that foreign policy requires?it seems you are.most liberals are content with slogans that cant survive the slightest scrutiny."Violence never solves problems."this is manfestly not true.violence helped to end the regimes of adolf hitler and benito mussolini.the atomic bombs,however controversial their use,did solve the problem of un unyielding japan..violence ended the taliban.


another favorite of mine that lots of you guys post,"You cant impose democracy at gun-point."thats more liberal bullshit.In REALITY ,at the end of world war 11 america imposed democracy at gun point on japan and germany,and it has proved a RESOUNDING SUCCESS in both countries.the problems with liberals is that you guys dont wanna give guns a chance. :cool:

[XTC]

[QUOTE=Marlboroman]Amstersam has allot of anger bundle up guys you will never tame him of his wild heart.

He is a fool nonetheless. and as you can see from my conversation with him he never really sets up examples. I dont think he is capable of doing it. and if this were a conversation face to face i would have walked away after his first ignorant comment.

but you know us "librals" we are aglutten for punishment. Amsterdam you truely are a moron that has proven himself to be inept at carrying on a conversation...

QUOTE]

You think Amps bad. Ha! Wait till you Meet Torog if you haven't already.

[Marlboroman]

[QUOTE=Stedric]The right will always prevail, eh? Funny cause I could have sworn every extremist right-slowly-approaching-fascist government in the world enjoyed a brief episode of power before crashing to the ground.

Your a fucktard.[/QUOT

your blame america mentality amuses me.it is all prevalent on the left.your liberalism crosses the line from criticism to anti-americanism when it shows a pathological hatred of america,and when it faults the U.S. for offenses you guys routinely excuses in the nations enemies.

are liberals incapable of the kind of practical moreal reasoning that foreign policy requires?it seems you are.most liberals are content with slogans that cant survive the slightest scrutiny."Violence never solves problems."this is manfestly not true.violence helped to end the regimes of adolf hitler and benito mussolini.the atomic bombs,however controversial their use,did solve the problem of un unyielding japan..violence ended the taliban.


another favorite of mine that lots of you guys post,"You cant impose democracy at gun-point."thats more liberal bullshit.In REALITY ,at the end of world war 11 america imposed democracy at gun point on japan and germany,and it has proved a RESOUNDING SUCCESS in both countries.the problems with liberals is that you guys dont wanna give guns a chance. :cool:


ah but see I fucking love guns, I am a republican in that sense if that can make any sense to you. Voilence did solve those conflicts, and the only one ill argue about is the taliban, Osama isnt dead and the Taliban isnt gone. so in this case violence only calmed amreicans minds. bombing afganistan and killing rebels and such wasnt a hunt for Osama. I would beleive we went over there and took out some of Osama's enemies for him before i would believe we went there for him.

why do you think we never really sent regular tropops into Afanistan?. wasnt cause we didnt need them, Osama is still alive so we obviuosly needed them.

they were not sent becasuse they cant keep their mouths shut, they would have talked about who we were actually killing over there. the fighting force was kept to elite forces like seal teams and airborn rangers, delta force, guys that wont blab about mowing down people.

In my eyes if the US really wanted Osama dead it would be so. we found Saddam in a hole... in a fucking hole...we set a bounty on his head. where is Osama's bounty? whats it set at?.. do you know off hand?.. seems to me if we were really after him thats info we would all know off the top of your head.

so in this regard no violence didnt solve a damn thing, except maybe ditch a few enemies for Osama.

I dont hate america its a wonderfull place to live. more oppitunity here than anywhere else i would say. atleast for me. I'm sure for some other places have been great and will be great in the future. my points are not pointing at hateing anyone im simply giveing out information.

oh and hey gratz on finally makeing an example.

[amsterdam]

you guys always need a picture with your lesson.it is all common sense and if you think about it instead of the typical knee jerk "your a moron defense" you might see things a little more clear.

i know you can do it.

[amsterdam]

and for the record,when i say liberal i am not talking about they're politics all the time.being a liberal is who a person is.it is what they think,they're virtues.it is what a person is made of.

[Marlboroman]

you guys always need a picture with your lesson.it is all common sense and if you think about it instead of the typical knee jerk "your a moron defense" you might see things a little more clear.

i know you can do it.

none of my posts simply come out and say "your a moron" and thats it ive already backed that statement up.

and what did I tell you about collecting your thoughts for a minute or 2?

and you appeared to be doing so well.

[amsterdam]

if the liberal didnt leave the conversation i had with them angry,i did something wrong.

[Marlboroman]

LOL

I guess you did.

[amsterdam]

if you want to see where i come from in detail,read any book by Dinesh D'Souza.

he is a political mastermind.makes Rove look dumb.

[Marlboroman]

Am, going back to your comment about our rights not being violated.

I just thought of this so forgive the back track.

You say that our rights have not been violated, but you cannot disregard that statement in the Patriot act.

you said the only example i have is something that hasnt happen yet.

correct me if im wrong but didnt we invade Iraq on MY very same concept?

Just seems to me that if you beleive in a war that was based on something that didnt happen yet, that in itself gives basis to my claim that our rights have been violated.

Peace.

[amsterdam]

that isnt why we went to iraq,what world do you live in.lolgood lord man.wow!

[Marlboroman]

that isnt why we went to iraq,what world do you live in.lolgood lord man.wow!

we didnt go to war with Iraq based on that he has weapons of mass destruction? he didnt use them on anyone but his own people

and someone as closed minded as you shouldnt give 2 shits about some backwards ass country like Iraq.

so basically we went to war based on the assuption he has these weapons and is going to use them.

so if thats not what we were all told we went to war for what did we go to war for?... mind you I already know, but i doubt you do.

so if simply the threat of something happening is basis to invade... well god damn that new phrase in the patriot act starts to look pretty scary.

and just because it hasnt happen yet... well i guess your right none shouldnt feel threatened at all, we can all live our happy american dream lives...

they made that statement for a reason and they plan on useing it.

[amsterdam]

believe me, i agree the wmd idea was stupid,a blunder.every nation on earth thought he had wmd.alqueda had training camps there,he funded palestinian suicide bombers,and didnt abide by the un for 13 years.game over.we even gave his punk ass 48 hours right at the end.now his dumb ass is locked up ,his boys got popped,his country held free elections for the first time in 50 years where more people risked their lives to vote than people voted here.

look at democracy fires all over that region(wich the people who i talk to that LIVE THERE are very excited about.they say bush has big balls.

like i always say,more people protest the war in america than they do in iraq.lol.

the iraq war was a huge victory for george bush.on january 2 you saw what the real iraqis thought about it.as did the people in afghanistan,ukraine,egypt,saudi arabia,kuwait.

does it suck?to be on the wrong side of history every time?oh well.

[ihateapplesandsalt]

canada eh?your an exception dont ya kno.thats the way you were raised.

That sentence (I'm using the term loosely) didn't make any sense.


whos your prime minister?martin?sounds like your govt has some problems of its own up there.

What does that have to do with anything? Do you sincerely believe that I just have an irrational hatred of Americans, that the nation-state is in anyway valid? I just can't imagine what you're trying to argue here.


i know we arent perfect down here,but we are alot better off than any other country on earth.sure,we have problems but we are BALLIN down here son.

Who is 'we'? I'm not talking about some mythical abstraction called 'America', I'm talking about the concrete actions of the American ruling class.

[Marlboroman]

believe me, i agree the wmd idea was stupid,a blunder.every nation on earth thought he had wmd.alqueda had training camps there,he funded palestinian suicide bombers,and didnt abide by the un for 13 years.game over.we even gave his punk ass 48 hours right at the end.now his dumb ass is locked up ,his boys got popped,his country held free elections for the first time in 50 years where more people risked their lives to vote than people voted here.

look at democracy fires all over that region(wich the people who i talk to that LIVE THERE are very excited about.they say bush has big balls.

like i always say,more people protest the war in america than they do in iraq.lol.

the iraq war was a huge victory for george bush.on january 2 you saw what the real iraqis thought about it.as did the people in afghanistan,ukraine,egypt,saudi arabia,kuwait.

does it suck?to be on the wrong side of history every time?oh well.


man would you please read what i have written and answer it accordingly?

im not talking about W's so called great actions im talking about the Patriot act and how it affects us as a society.

you however take what i say contort it a bit and toss it back out in yet another agrresive move towards me. meanwhile you dont stay on topic at all and 90% of your answers are one liners that in the end try to insult me.

something you need to know down there in TX son. Our skins here in NY are very thick. you have to try much harder than you have been to get me mad in any way. I assume thats your purpose for the things you say at the end of your posts and sometimes thats all the post is.

[pisshead]

he constantly ruins every thread i start by posting multiple times and never even comes close to addressing anything specific, or related to the topic even...then tells us all that's refuted everything.

it'a quite amusing.

[Marlboroman]

It's insane to try to carry on a conversation im finding. I think ill just ignore him from now on... but he makes it so easy.

[Stedric]

[QUOTE=Stedric]The right will always prevail, eh? Funny cause I could have sworn every extremist right-slowly-approaching-fascist government in the world enjoyed a brief episode of power before crashing to the ground.

Your a fucktard.[/QUOT

your blame america mentality amuses me.it is all prevalent on the left.your liberalism crosses the line from criticism to anti-americanism when it shows a pathological hatred of america,and when it faults the U.S. for offenses you guys routinely excuses in the nations enemies.

are liberals incapable of the kind of practical moreal reasoning that foreign policy requires?it seems you are.most liberals are content with slogans that cant survive the slightest scrutiny."Violence never solves problems."this is manfestly not true.violence helped to end the regimes of adolf hitler and benito mussolini.the atomic bombs,however controversial their use,did solve the problem of un unyielding japan..violence ended the taliban.


another favorite of mine that lots of you guys post,"You cant impose democracy at gun-point."thats more liberal bullshit.In REALITY ,at the end of world war 11 america imposed democracy at gun point on japan and germany,and it has proved a RESOUNDING SUCCESS in both countries.the problems with liberals is that you guys dont wanna give guns a chance. :cool:

Ok Amsterdam, I don't agree with anything you just said, but me calling you a fucktard was much too harsh. I apologize although I don't expect you to care. I don't have a pathological hatred of Americans and if you'll scroll up a little, I was very careful to highlight my dislike for their GOVERNMENT, and not their good, hard-working populace.

[Hydrizzle]

why do you think we never really sent regular tropops into Afanistan?. wasnt cause we didnt need them, Osama is still alive so we obviuosly needed them.

they were not sent becasuse they cant keep their mouths shut, they would have talked about who we were actually killing over there. the fighting force was kept to elite forces like seal teams and airborn rangers, delta force, guys that wont blab about mowing down people.

Where's the proof? How many times can I say it? Where's the proof? Our special forces were deployed to Afghanistan, because they are more suited to the job over there! Afghanistan is a much more rural and mountanous country, so its not as suited for the regualar army. You are naive if you think that Osama would have been captured if the regular army was there. Osama bin Laden has a massive terrorist network supproting him, and a huge country to hide in. These accusations that our troops are wantonly killing civilians are competely unbased, ignorant, and downright unpatriotic. Being a soldier is a honest job and a great service and you tarnish it by making these crazy claims.


In my eyes if the US really wanted Osama dead it would be so. we found Saddam in a hole... in a fucking hole...we set a bounty on his head. where is Osama's bounty? whats it set at?.. do you know off hand?.. seems to me if we were really after him thats info we would all know off the top of your head.

so in this regard no violence didnt solve a damn thing, except maybe ditch a few enemies for Osama.

Umm, I think the bounty for Osama is at about $50,000,000, which is enough for any Afghan to live like a king. Your ignorance is quite franky astounding. You thin that the US is some kind of omnipitent being? Our intellegence is flawed, as you have said, so how would we instinctively know where he is? I'd say Osama is probably smarter than Saddam, which is why he hasn't been captured yet.

[Hydrizzle]

Oh, and BTW, Amsterdam is one of the only people that even make sense on this website.

[Marlboroman]

Where's the proof? How many times can I say it? Where's the proof? Our special forces were deployed to Afghanistan, because they are more suited to the job over there! Afghanistan is a much more rural and mountanous country, so its not as suited for the regualar army. You are naive if you think that Osama would have been captured if the regular army was there. Osama bin Laden has a massive terrorist network supproting him, and a huge country to hide in. These accusations that our troops are wantonly killing civilians are competely unbased, ignorant, and downright unpatriotic. Being a soldier is a honest job and a great service and you tarnish it by making these crazy claims.



Umm, I think the bounty for Osama is at about $50,000,000, which is enough for any Afghan to live like a king. Your ignorance is quite franky astounding. You thin that the US is some kind of omnipitent being? Our intellegence is flawed, as you have said, so how would we instinctively know where he is? I'd say Osama is probably smarter than Saddam, which is why he hasn't been captured yet.


Ok you should go back and read the previuos posts because you are only seeing a portion of a conversation....

If you had read it you would have seen that I'm not claiming regular army would have caught Osama, I'm saying our troops were not there to capture Osama.

Afganistan is not a very large country.

I never said a single negative word about being a soldier as a proffesion.And I never claimed they are killing civilians.

your view that there is this massive terror organization is simple fear campaighn conditioning.

As far as being unpatriotic... well thats just not true. I love the United States, I simply dont like the political shift towards a police state. BTW even our founding fathers were called rebels, thats translates to terrorist allot these days.

Well since you seem to know his bounty I would question whether you looked it up beofre posting. But since you so wantingly throw the word igonorant around. Ill tell you whats really ignorant is to think that even a single Afgani would see a single cent of $50,000,000 to turn anyone in.

And as far as being smarter than Saddam, well shit I guess he would have to be to evade the worlds most fearsom fighting forces being a 7 foot giant with kidney problems.

Its so funny that you and your other so called "right-wing" pals hold our GOV and its long arm for justice in such high regard, yet you beleive them when they say they cant find this man. These are the same guys that can read a newspaper from space.

Truth is I hold their ability in even higher regard than you. As you beleive them when they say they cant find him,(makeing them incompitent)

I beleive they know just where he is.(simply makeing them liars)

[pisshead]

the patriot act makes the founders and those who fought the revolution terrorists. literally, section 802 of the patrtiot act makes them terrorists.

[Marlboroman]

the patriot act makes the founders and those who fought the revolution terrorists. literally, section 802 of the patrtiot act makes them terrorists.

Ya its just a shame more people dont say something about it. I'm guessing they dont want to be labeled "unpatriotic" or "terrorist".

[Marlboroman]

Oh, and BTW, Amsterdam is one of the only people that even make sense on this website.

LOL

[sensiskunk]

Ill have to LMAO at that one too!

[amsterdam]

me too!

[Hydrizzle]

LMAO ROFL LOL OMG WTF U GOT PWNED! DONT FK WIT DA L33TZ!