first grow indoor.

[EZG]

hey
here is the log of 3 plants and a 600w HPS i recieved last week as a project from a friend :smokin: , unknown strain ,2 plants in 1 pot :( suspect lemon haze , there plants where 6 weeks old grown in pots outside , they had a bug problem which i have got under control , iv had heat issues max 32c , avg 29c with hps , but the plants have grown by 3-4" last 2 days and they look very nice , :thumbsup:

[EZG]

iv transplanted the plants into 10L pots from 5L , the roots looked fine and it went ok used perlite with the new soil ,and gave it a light watering , , its been 2 days from the transplant and im not sure when to water ? , the pot with 2 plants looks like they need water now , the leaves are limping abit but the soil looks fine to about 2",
with the finger test, i also plan to put them into flower 12/12 maybe in 5 days ? but i have a feeling just by looking at them , that they are ready now ? is it to close from the transplant ?

[EZG]

gave therm a trim , some of the lager fan leaves and the old leaves that had damage . no1 looks really good , 2 and 3 look ok ,
not expecting much from 2/3 both in 1 pot . still having trouble figuring the a proper water routine . its been 5 days from transplant , and iv noticed some of the leaves on no.2 have yellow tips and are curling , plan to give them a full flush tomorrow and put them into 12/12 saterday .
any input would be a great help right now .

[LetsSeeYa]

I water right after every re pot, but il let them dry out really good before as they slide out of the pots nice an easy. And yeah if you see the leaves getting droopy get some water in them pot's bro. Especially when ya have two plants in one pot.

Just pick it up and get a feel how heavy it feels after you water, then as it drys out you will know the pots light and needs water. Then after awhile you will be able to get to know your plants better and what it needs. The lower leaves are using up the Nitrogen and with 2 plants in one pot, im sure they are fighting for anything you put in it. I know you got them like that but maybe should have tried to split them up when ya got them. You may get less of a yield from 2 plants in one pot, rather then one plant in one pot. IMO.


But they look good man, good luck!


LSY

[EZG]

hey lads .
2 nd day on 12/12 , gave them 1 ltr plain water , they look ok , there was some yellowing on some of the fan leaves , i hope i did not over feed them with neuts , 2 days ago just before 12/12 gave them 1 ml of terra flores
1 ml of green fuse bloom
qtr teaspoon of nitrogen .
all mixed in to 2 ltrs of water . this is a 20% of recommended dose , surly not enough to over feed ?

no1 plant has really dense growth , its a small plant but i have high hopes , no2/3 , skinny fucks not expecting much .

i still dont know the sex , iv tryed to take good photos , so can anyone take a good look and see what i think i see ?

im sure my mt8 said they where clones , but idk

tks lads

[EZG]

hey . day 7 week 1 .

no.1 is looking great , very stunted and very bushy .
no.2 is closest to the light . bent top over , some yellowing fan leaves .
no.3 is fighting with no2 , really not expecting much from her ,

iv had some issues with heat again , 1 more fan has helped , constant 30c . also had to tie down the highest part , at this late stage im not sure what this will do , but as a result ,after a few hours, 2776072776082776092776102776115 separate buds have reached for the sky :) . this was no2 and it is fighting with no3 for light and nutes , have had some yellowing if the bigger fan leaves , suspect slight overfeeding ,with that in mind , iv come up with a feeding roster .

23/july ,12/12 , 8 week cycle .

week 1 . --------- feed , 1ml flores , 1ml fuse/bloom , 1ml babybio, in 2ltr water /// soil PH6.8 . temp 28c
water every second day mon/wed. dry time until saterday ,

week 2 . --------- feed , increase strength to 50% of full

week 3 . --------- flush ,

week 4 , --------- feed , increase strength to 75% of full

week 5 , --------- feed , 90/100% of full

week 6 , --------- flush ,

week 7 , --------- feed , max if the plants can take it

week 8 , --------- flush .

week 9 , --------- might need 1 more week ?

so this is my plan , pls tell me if i am doing something wrong , if u guys dont comment ill assume im on the right track . overall im still very happy with the progress and growth .

[growinkind]

last pic is female for sure

[washmedical]

lookin good, goodluck on the 2 in one planter

[EZG]

week 3 day 1 ,

well i had a disaster , im gutted to say that no2 turned out to be a hermi :( it was the biggest plant that i had to tie down 1 week in to flower .


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so im left with a sick plant that is female and has had a growth spurt .

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they get dry fast so im feeding with plain water, and 1/4 teaspoon of molasses in 2ltr , every second day .
iv not used the fuse/bloom , just the canna flores , 1 ml in to 2 Ltr water .

no 1 is looking great very bushy and many buds , i was wondering if i should trim a few fan leaves ? , iv tryed to tie and push them out of the way , i wonder if i had not have tied the tallest point in early flower it would have stayed true ?

ty for the comments and support , it really hurt haveing to cut that plant

[EZG]

week 3 day 1
some more of no1 and no2 . not sure what causing the leaf burn ?
but other then that they are doing fine ,

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[EZG]

week 3 day 3

have a big problem with no 2 , iv read on the forums about potassium deficiency , and epsom salts was the fix .
gave half teaspoon in to 1 ltr water , problem is i feed it yesterday and i dont wont to over water it , i wonder can i sprinkle some over the soil ?

[EZG]

week 3 day 7

no 2. is haveing a hard time :( fan leaves are almost gone and there is a lockout of k , i think ?.

no 1. is looking great , grew about 4" in week 3 , but have some lighting of the fan leaves ,

feeding mix. 1 ltr each , cannaflora 1 ml + 1/4 teaspoon, every second day ,

both plants are on the same feed and no1 is loving it . i think no2 will die if i can find a cure fast :(

pls comment ,

[EZG]

this no 1 .

[polishpollack]

Looks like you were feeding to much. You don't need to flush. You just add water when the soil is dry. Exactly how often to feed is a bit of a mystery and to solve it, people in these anonymous forums keep making up answers like, "feed like this schedule," or "feed and flush rotating the weeks and that will work." We can that this info doesn't work. Don't treat these plants much different than the average houseplant. There's been alot of bad info roaming around the web for years. Here's an example: in the 1990's, it was said that you should stick your plant's stem with a tack. The reasons were because it would stress the plant and make it grow better (not true), and that the steel of the pin would add necessary metals, also improving the health of the plant (not true either). Then there was the idea of making your plants female by using human birth control pills. The idea here was to steal your sister's or girlfriend's birth control pills, crush them into pieces and sprinkle this on the plant. The reason being that since it was female hormone, it would make your plants female. Plants have hormones but not like people. Following that feeding schedule you have overferted that one plant. Only fert if the plant looks a little light green. Only water when the soil is dry. Or try hydro. Build a bubble bucket or oxypot, same thing. Pretty easy to do and get a pH/TDS meter. This will give you a little more control and involvement. pH around 5.9 and TDS (PPM) around 700 to start a clone and take it some from there as the plant grows. Check out the youtube videos on how to do this and make this stuff. Some great videos out there. Mr Green How to Build a Basic Indoor Weed Grow Room - Step by Step Construction Guide (1 of 9) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFp9HsEO6IY)

[EZG]

Week 4 day 7 sunday ,

gave them a mild flush 16ltr to 10lrt pot , have only feed water and molasses (last ltr of flush) .
no1 is having good growth and many bud sites , it is not a tall plant but very bushy and dense .
no2 is having a hard time , not sure what to do , there are alot of dead roots in that pot ,

hey polish , yeh iv all but abandoned the feed chart , i figured it might be to much , so i went on the side on caution and just let the plants do there thing with the least input from a noob like me , all iv tryed to do is tuck as many of the fan leaves out of the way , its is responding fine and im very happy with no1 .

pls comment .

im trying to upload some very nice pics , but it wont let me :(

[polishpollack]

The problem with using a fert like Canna is you never really know how often to feed. There's alot of bad info on the web and I'm not sure how all this stuff got started but the feed/flush idea has been around for along time, but it's bad info. You don't need to do anything special to grow this plant but for some reason growers always think that the plant has special needs and if you do certain things, the plant will give the best results. All that needs to happen is just feed once in a great while, or when the plant appears to be deficient in something. Then you just water when the soil is dry. Flushing so frequently does not guarantee that you flushing the ferts out of the soil, if that's what you're trying to do. All it does is keep the soil wet, which really isn't good for them, staying wet all the time. This could be the reason why you're seeing dead roots. There are bette ways to fertilize for people that really don't know what they're doing, which is to use some powder ferts - one half cup of powder (not crystalized but powder) for every three or four liters of potting soil. For some reason, powder ferts don't seem to be popular at Ireland grow shops from what I can find on the web. There are at least two companies in America that sell this kind of fert. On this page Foxfarm has theirs and I would recommend the Fruit and Flower one in the yellow containter. FoxFarm Soil & Fertilizer Company (http://foxfarmfertilizer.com/products_frog1.html)
It wouldn't be cheap, but I bet you could order this stuff and have it shipped to you but just be careful that you only order one box or bag, not more than that. If you don't want to try this, you don't really need to, that's fine, but just be careful in the future of how much Canna you give. It should be a very good fert but you've used to much on that one plant. The powder ferts are pretty complete with nutrition and shouldn't need anything else. Canna's the same. You could go ahead and use a little seaweed but not much because it's strong.

[polishpollack]

How are things looking now?

[sketer]

Sometimes you can give to much water and the yellowingon the tips of leaves can be caused from lack of phos and calcium

[EZG]

i cant upload any pics ? , is there a limit to how many a member can have ?

week 5 day 1 flower .

no 1. is bulking up real nice , its a small plant with many bud sites , the tips of the leaves are drying out ? is this normal ?, i think it is ? . i have been tucking the fan leaves behind the colas and some of the lower inside leaves are falling off , these are light green in color ? i have not given any ferts , only tap water , about a Ltr everyday when its hot and the pot is light in weight .

no 2. this plant is dying , it looks terrible , all the fan leaves are almost brown , and the buds are looking sad , i can not kill this plant , everything has been the same as no1. feeding etc, other then it was in a pot with another plant that i had to cull because it was it turned hermi .

this needs photos to explain :(

[polishpollack]

If you have lower leaves that are yellow, that plant needs a shot of fert. After that let the soil dry out some before you water again.

[pushit]

I agree with Sketer with it being a phosphorus deficiency. Pics in post #12 especially.

[sunbiz1]

gave therm a trim , some of the lager fan leaves and the old leaves that had damage . no1 looks really good , 2 and 3 look ok ,
not expecting much from 2/3 both in 1 pot . still having trouble figuring the a proper water routine . its been 5 days from transplant , and iv noticed some of the leaves on no.2 have yellow tips and are curling , plan to give them a full flush tomorrow and put them into 12/12 saterday .
any input would be a great help right now .

You killed them with nutes/water, and you only need to flush if you do hydro or use too much shit in a soil grow....and you only flush well after you flip them. Damn, I wish I had been around in July to help more. Live and learn.

[polishpollack]

There should never be a need to do any flushing of soil. The only time you'd flush is when you finally realize you've added to much fert. The plant that is dying received too much fert. There's no guarantee that flushing gets the ferts out of the soil. The best thing to do is to understand how to grow plants properly and not deviate from that knowledge. There a scientists that have spent their whole lives understanding plants. Those are the people to listen to, not folks in an anonymous forum. Not even me. What I've tried to bring here is what I understand of plants after reading text compiled by various people who work in the science of growing plants. That's what everyone should do. It's hard to see exactly what's going on with plants unless there are photos. This website is so bad now that people are losing interest in it.
For plants that are dying, perhaps the best thing to do is to take some cuttings that still look good and try to get them rooted but using rooting hormone like Clonex. That way you can basically save the plant but you'll have to wait for the little one to grow up.

[EZG]

hey guys

just to update you ,

week 6 day 7 , no 1 . this plant is awesome :) the colas are filling out great , its still a small plant ,only put about 6" over 5 weeks . took a very close look at the buds , they are filling verynice with clear drops all over the bud sites . im guessing another 2 weeks maybe 3 , and its ready .
no 1 is still bushy , do i trim any fan leaves ? do i cut in half some of the top fan leaves ? i have used very little ferts and small amounts of molasses in water .

no 2 , is still alive , but it really is the most sick plant i have ever seen , i think there is some mould on the soil ? will i take this plant out of the area and kill it altogether ?

[polishpollack]

Really need pics in white light to see what's going on. I wouldn't remove any leaves unless they're in the way of something. Sounds like getting rid of no. 2 might be a good idea.

[EZG]

how do i delete some of the old pics from my file ? i dont see that option anywhere ,
do i have to contact support ?
i have given back the 600watt HPS and am using 250watt grow CFL , red spectrum and the plant is loveing it , and much less heat and lower elec. bill.

its killing me not to be able to post my pics . any help will be greatful .

[polishpollack]

how about just some words, things working good?

[canadianhemperor]

sativas are sensitive to ph and need a different ph than indicas, it might be that . They react to temps different and if your planst lock out k use carboload from advance nutrients or budcandy they are pretty much the same.