Why don't growers organize?

[Purple Daddy]

Any dispensary should be operated by growers IMO so why aren't they?

Why can't growers network and establish true co-op's?

You can have the choice to join the co-op at different levels as either a grower or as a member. By being a member you should get your cannabis at a very fair price by offering your script to the co-op to grow for you. You get a guranteed delivery at harvest of X amout based on your script and buy in.

What would you consider to be a fair buy in to gurantee say 1.5 lbs? $1,000? Thats what about $48 an oz? All you have to do is wait for the harvest to cure and you're good till the next harvest.

[washmedical]

it costs more than 1000 dollars to grow a pound and a half, and growers dont organize because thats called "racketeering"

[Purple Daddy]

it costs more than 1000 dollars to grow a pound and a half, and growers dont organize because thats called "racketeering">>>>>

Not if your a good grower and racketeering is organizeing for the purpose of keeping prices artifically high or to lock out a certain group.

[CanGroIt]

it costs more than 1000 dollars to grow a pound and a half, and growers dont organize because thats called "racketeering"

Wow.... If you're spending more than 1000 bucks to grow a pound and a half, you need some help growing....

I spend 300 bucks on nutes that will last me 18 months, $120 on electricity per month, RO on tap and can average 20 oz per month.... And I'm only utilizing half of my equipment ATM....

I was thinking about this same thing the other day PD.... Now I'm thinking about getting together with a couple other local growers and start something new here in my area cause all these local spots are waaaaay too expensive IMO.... $10 grams is the least I've found and even then it's medium to low quality stuff....


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[whitem5]

Yea bro lol if your spending a grand to harvest only 24 ounces you should prob throw in the towel.. I get 18 ounces of two plants and your lucky if my supplies cost me 200 buks..

[drudown11]

Yea bro lol if your spending a grand to harvest only 24 ounces you should prob throw in the towel.. I get 18 ounces of two plants and your lucky if my supplies cost me 200 buks..

your really not factoring in electricity costs, and the time you put into it. Time is money.


I bet throughout the whole grow your probably paying 200$ just for the electricity.

Im going to calculate the costs and assume that you use a 1000 watt light

2 X 10 gallon pots = 15 $
4 bags of qaulity potting soil = 50 $
1000 watt lightand bulb = 250$
3 part nutrients(advanced) = 60 $
bud candy = 20 $
Electricity costs(4 monthes) =100 $
your time(8 $ per hour, 1 hour a week) =128 $
(personally i like to value myself at 30 $ per hour)


if you really think about it, growing good pot costs a little more than you think. Me and my growers have about 3500 invested in a 2600 watt growroom where we harvest around 6-7 pounds every 3 monthes. If you also consider that we pay people 20$ an hour to trim (usually around 15 hours total) . i could pay them less but theyre a sollid trustworhty crew. Thats the reason why i charge 250 an ounce, because if i charge less i feel like im getting robbed.

[Purple Daddy]

Like I've said many times before, just because you choose to grow indoors and spend all that extra money on fancy equipment, nutrients and electricity doesn't justify me paying $50 an 8th and I won't just on principle. My brother grew 18 huge plants and I can absolutely gurantee you he doesn't have anywhere close to $1,000 invested in this grow and he got like 10 lbs finished after losing one plant and having to share 4 others.

[Purple Daddy]

Thats the reason why i charge 250 an ounce, because if i charge less i feel like im getting robbed. >>>>>

If I have to pay that much I feel like I'm getting robbed. Plenty of GOOD bud out there for about half of that price.

Should I pay more for my bushell of corn because one farmer chose a different method which cost more then traditional farming? Yeah, it may be organic, it may be a little better blah, blah, blah, but at the end of the day you can't justify charging almost twice as much. IF this were a true free market and you put your $250 an oz bud on a shelf next to good but for $150 your bud would sit on the shelf until the $150 was gone.

[hiamps]

your really not factoring in electricity costs, and the time you put into it. Time is money.


I bet throughout the whole grow your probably paying 200$ just for the electricity.

Im going to calculate the costs and assume that you use a 1000 watt light

2 X 10 gallon pots = 15 $
4 bags of qaulity potting soil = 50 $
1000 watt lightand bulb = 250$
3 part nutrients(advanced) = 60 $
bud candy = 20 $
Electricity costs(4 monthes) =100 $
your time(8 $ per hour, 1 hour a week) =128 $
(personally i like to value myself at 30 $ per hour)


if you really think about it, growing good pot costs a little more than you think. Me and my growers have about 3500 invested in a 2600 watt growroom where we harvest around 6-7 pounds every 3 monthes. If you also consider that we pay people 20$ an hour to trim (usually around 15 hours total) . i could pay them less but theyre a sollid trustworhty crew. Thats the reason why i charge 250 an ounce, because if i charge less i feel like im getting robbed.

Wow so you split $903 between 3 or more people to get 6 -7 pounds? Do you really feel ripped off if you don't get $250 an ounce? WOW, seems you are paying around $9.85 an ounce to grow....Just using your numbers....That is pretty good markup in any book!!!

[drudown11]

when you consider i spend more than an hour each day just with maintinence, pruning, cleaning, changing resevoirs, adjusting flood schedules.......................... i have a hard time finding time to do it all.



Marijuana is the most expensive cash crop grown in the united states. Im sure as hell not going to give the shit away. The co ops around here buy their shit at like 180 an ounce and sell it for 300 an ounce.
(these are suppose to be "NON PROFIT", but i consider a 120$ markup quite a fucking profit) Compared to those drug dealers/hustlers, I consider myself a very honest business man.

[EZG]

hey lads , very interesting looking at ur comments .
for shits and giggles --- last night i paid 50euros/54$ for 3 grams , in Dublin for some ok haze :(
id almost fly to the states for $250 and ounce ,
funny that

[washmedical]

ok if you're growing indoors legally (15 plants) a pound and a half is gonna cost around 1k to produce. Oh and washington state 'legalized' collectives.. 10 people maximum and 45 plant maximum

[hiamps]

when you consider i spend more than an hour each day just with maintinence, pruning, cleaning, changing resevoirs, adjusting flood schedules.......................... i have a hard time finding time to do it all.



Marijuana is the most expensive cash crop grown in the united states. Im sure as hell not going to give the shit away. The co ops around here buy their shit at like 180 an ounce and sell it for 300 an ounce.
(these are suppose to be "NON PROFIT", but i consider a 120$ markup quite a fucking profit) Compared to those drug dealers/hustlers, I consider myself a very honest business man.

Just doing the math....LOL. It's a hobby for me and I only trade so it really doesn't matter anymore to me. Just not buying anymore is like the biggest raise I ever got.

[CanGroIt]

Wow.... If you're spending more than 1000 bucks to grow a pound and a half, you need some help growing....


Hey washmedical.... I take this quote back.... I thought you were talking bout spending 1k per month, not for everything needed....

Yeah, it does take at least 1k or 2 to get better than average results....




Marijuana is the most expensive cash crop grown in the united states.

(these are suppose to be "NON PROFIT", but i consider a 120$ markup quite a fucking profit)....

Even if after all the overhead expenses, if they were to make 20-25%, they are still paying taxes on it whereas the patient/grower who supplies them gets money tax free....and i'm sure they don't claim everything made, just enough not to get "the man" involved.... Not only this but the owners of these places are putting themselves out there for LEO to target them first, if anything....so in that, I would expect to get paid for the risk involved....

The only reason they, dispensaries/medical cannabis distributors, can get away with selling it for so much is because of the federal and state/non med user prohibition of the substance. If it were legal, prices would drop like crazy.... The average indoor grower would no longer be able to make it as a supplier....


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[washmedical]

anyone wanna rent me a tent next year and do 15 more outdoors? :P (in washington)

[hiamps]

For any that don't like math...If you spent $2000 to grow 6 pounds you would still only be paying around $20.85 per ounce. Just thought I would clear this up a bit because I see numbers thrown out all the time that look bad but are actually hardly anything. Since I gave up the Cigarettes and quit buying my Meds, I am actually putting money in the bank, no need to sell any.

[washmedical]

why fuck up a good thing

[drudown11]

For any that don't like math...If you spent $2000 to grow 6 pounds you would still only be paying around $20.85 per ounce. Just thought I would clear this up a bit because I see numbers thrown out all the time that look bad but are actually hardly anything. Since I gave up the Cigarettes and quit buying my Meds, I am actually putting money in the bank, no need to sell any.


i know it seems really simple but its not.


You know how long it takes to trim 7 pounds of bud? Hours upon hours. I take that time into consideration.

You know how much time it takes for maintinence?

When i consider the fact that i spend almost 20 hours a week for 3 monthes, for my 1/3 cut of 7 pounds, I feel like i should go back to college. Its still good money but at the same time........growing marijuana is not going to make you millions and put your kids through college.

[hiamps]

Just tired of seeing numbers thrown out there like they are supposed to justify the prices. I know full well the time one can put into this. If this is your only source of income I am sorry but I see the prices coming way down as more and more grow. I still wish I could get this kind of markup on anything I sell but have way too much to lose. When I did your numbers I added your 20 hours of trim. I probably wouldn't have even posted again except for your question about me knowing how much maintenance it takes...I grow my own and smoke it all of course I know what it takes, like I said...it is my hobby.

[washmedical]

me and 2 friends did ~3 lbs last year in 5-6 hours.. and this was quick trim

[Finshaggy]

Any dispensary should be operated by growers IMO so why aren't they?

Why can't growers network and establish true co-op's?

You can have the choice to join the co-op at different levels as either a grower or as a member. By being a member you should get your cannabis at a very fair price by offering your script to the co-op to grow for you. You get a guranteed delivery at harvest of X amout based on your script and buy in.

What would you consider to be a fair buy in to gurantee say 1.5 lbs? $1,000? Thats what about $48 an oz? All you have to do is wait for the harvest to cure and you're good till the next harvest.


They can. The people running the co-ops, and farms in legal and illegal states right now are greedy and that's why they are on top. I am in the process of trying to fix this. Organization is definately a good idea, on an international level. Coordinating with everything to get it to run smoothly and stop the highway robbery of $20g in illegal states, and $50 1/8 in legal states. I currently live in Colorado and am going to start meeting people here. But I already know people in Cali and Texas, and I am planning on a small part of our efforts being towards fixing prices. I say small part because I plan on meeting people in many more US states as well as internationally soon, and I have more plans that adjusting prices to a stable low place. It won't be that hard, it was cheap in the 60's-80's and it just takes some strong will to put things back on track.

[Purple Daddy]

They can. The people running the co-ops, and farms in legal and illegal states right now are greedy and that's why they are on top.>>>>>>>>>

I know growers and they are not the ones on top, the co-op's are inflating prices 200-300% while offering growers shit for a price. $400-$500 a QP is about all you're going to get here and they'll tell you that your smoke is dog shit in the process then turn around and sell it for $300 an oz.

[Finshaggy]

I didn't say the growers were. I said the owners were. Not growers, people running places doing mass stuff. They're greedy. The growers aren't greedy they're the pones willing to take nothing as payment. What I was saying is the growers can organize to solve this dilemma. Sell from one location at first buy product from each other at a good price then sell it at a good price and eventually start like a growers union.

[smithsupport]

I perhaps wouldn't have even posted once more but for your question about me knowing how much continuation it takes...I raise my own and be on fire it all of course I know what it takes, like I said...it is my hobby.