Prices are moving up finally

[weeddaddy50]

It took a while all the outdoor is mostly gone...and the new crop is in the ground.

Indoor prices are rising;)

[Purple Daddy]

The smart people held on for the summer!

[Groundup]

About time, tired of seeing garbage in clubs etc.. hey daddy what are the donations for lbs of og's in your neck of the woods?

[weeddaddy50]

My neck of the woods would be the same as your's California....LOL....well there are tons of want-a-bees....lowballers.....shady brokers.....crooks...thiefs.....rippers.....jacker s.....etc...etc...etc.....and then you find the dependable....honest.....people just like yourself....just trying to COVER your costs while helping patients.....Everyone tells the same story...."I can get it cheeper"....
never mind the quality....how it's grown....what chemicals were used?.....were synethics used??? did they spray DDT on it to kill bugs?........NONE of that matters.....what does matter is the price only...........basically that's it.....

Now that all the outdoor ...that the clubs...have been calling "indoor" for 6 months is gone prices for the real deal AAA grown....well taken care of....heavy frosty.....excellent tasting MEDICINE is finally getting it's due.

I believe....that weed is grown outdoors.....medicine is grown indoors.......

Now what I believe is total BS is telling patients that outdoor is indoor and then charging them 50 to 70 an 1/8 for it......when the best medicine should be at that price.

I have gown the opposite way from that.....geting my room certified "clean Green" totally orgainc.....no pestisides....not synethics.....and only usine OMRI products.....that way the medicine that we grow...this the best available.

[Groundup]

Agreed, when i talk organics to other growers i'm met with blank stares, its garbage, use organic nutes , teas, ro water. scrubbers organics pesticides ( yes they cost 10x as much).They thimk im krazy!! Washing everything daily scubbin res's weekly etc..etc.. however the final product is awsome.
Hey weeddaddy have you tried the Ghost farms Earth OG ??? The plant in veg smells awsome ,cant wait!!

[weeddaddy50]

have not grown the ghost og....I would like to.....but not as of yet......just cut some Green Thai OG a few minutes ago and did some trimming....
the caylex's were huge....full of resin.....and the smell is awesome.

[EciRonTog]

The club I go to, anything that is "outdoor" is pretty heavily discounted. That works out great for me as I can get potent outdoor for ~$25/8th at the club during times when I can't afford the more expensive indoor. I'm not sure it would be a good thing if all the decent <$40/8th bud disappears.

[weeddaddy50]

Ron,

I guess that what I am saying....is......no one wants the 40/8th stuff to go away....we all agree with that....what we are saying is the outdoor should be 25/35 and 8th....and good solid indoor 40 to 50 an 1/8.....and super AAAA what ever the market will bear.......

What ticks me off as a grower is clubs...taking crappy B grade outdoor and telling patients it's indoor and charging 50/8th.

Believe me I have visited over 30 clubs....and it happens a lot.

I completly agree medicine should be affordable....just not at the expense of the grower.....the clubs could make 50 to 100% profit on the cost of medicine
and still pay the grower a fair price.

[weeddaddy50]

Also...most clubs work on a consignment basis.....this is the only business...where you do not have to buy your inventory and make 50% to 100% profit....that is what the clubs are doing.

suprising.....right.

[Douglas1]

you pay 40 an eighth for mediocre stuff? man.. clubs must really be theives

[washmedical]

yeah you would think "compassion" clubs would be able to beat black market dealers. Here in washington i can get dank indoor for 225-260 an ounce, but if its "legal" it costs 300-350

[washmedical]

oh and why the fuck would you want the prices to go up. ten bucks a gram for dank indoor 5 bucks for outdoor is the way shit should be

[Douglas1]

yeah you would think "compassion" clubs would be able to beat black market dealers. Here in washington i can get dank indoor for 225-260 an ounce, but if its "legal" it costs 300-350

WOW I was under the impression it would be the other way around.. I guess there may actually be more inherent risk doing things legally than illegally for the growers/sellers..

[washmedical]

guess that makes sense.. running a dispensary out of the back of your business is sort-of risky.. but not if you're legit

[Douglas1]

even if you are legit its pretty iffy.. being illegal on a federal level and all :/ at least an illegal growers operation isn't in the books somewhere

[weeddaddy50]

oh and why the fuck would you want the prices to go up. ten bucks a gram for dank indoor 5 bucks for outdoor is the way shit should be

Washmedical......prices paid to indoor growers are going up to near where they should be...not the retail price clubs charge.....the clubs are the ones making the money. Growers are hardy covering their costs......but you know it's real easy to grow medical grade maryjane.....that is why you see so much used grow equipment for sale.....go to craigs list.....in any town...and type in grow lights....see how many hits you get....

[washmedical]

not very many in southeast washington, and when they do get put up they sell quick. Just registered for college so in about 3 months ill have my medical grow goin. seen quite a few diff grow rooms/styles, from 7' indoors, 1 week veggers, 1 plant per 1000watts.. i think i could grasp the concept

[washmedical]

and you gotta be doin serious shit to have the feds fuck with ya.. stay within your limits/under 10,000$ you shouldn't have any problems

[tipper619sd]

yes i am all for the patients on this whole subject i agree with wash it should be 10 a g for indoor no matter what type unless some strain nobody can get and 5 a g for outdoor every shop does this and i think we should start up a better business bureau for medical shops and see if they are doing what they offer non profit organization.

[Purple Daddy]

You'll never convince me indoor grown is worth twice that of outdoor, if you have to charge that much then it's a completely inefficient operation. I don't care how much you have to spend on nutrients, electricity etc., if that is driving up the cost of your product then find another method.

FWIW $1800-$2200 an lb for good quality greenhouse bud wholesale. Nobody should have to pay more then 25 an 1/8th for top quality bud I don't care where it is grown, that comes out to $3200 an LB which is a VERY, VERY profitable margin. If you're paying $40 an 8th you're lining someones pockets with cash and they're laughing all the way to the bank.

[Purple Daddy]

I don't mean to sound confrontational but I've heard"outdoor bud isn't worth shit" nonsense before and IMO statements like that aren't "worth shit". I've had outdoor grown bud so damn tight you could play ping pong with them and they would stay intact. When you're talking $300+ an oz though then a blowjob from a hot babe should come with it. Just because you can flush nutrients through your roots and control your environment you can't duplicate mother nature.

It's just like when $2 buck chuck wine was dumped on the market, people tried it and actually liked the stuff and started snapping the stuff up by the case. I watched a demo on a food channel with these chef's sampling wines, all but one picked the $2 buck chuck over the much, MUCH more expensive wines. Just because you're paying 50% more for something doesn't mean you're getting something 50% better.

[rudy2010]

I find that indoor usually tastes better simply because it is fresher but is usually not near as strong as outdoor. I have always gone for the strongest weed with the best taste with strength being the most important.
I am now aware that some folks on this form are actually growing weed that does not get you that high for treating certain ailments. They want the pain relief and other properties of marijuana without the high feeling. If this is what you are looking for then indoor weed will be fine for you. If you want weed that will get you really high then generally you should go for the outdoor.
I have constant back pain that I treat exclusively with marijuana. I find that marijuana is just marginal at actually reducing the pain but allows me to not think about the pain. I use cookies mainly for sleeping at night. I need really strong marijuana. If I have to think about whether I am high or not it is not working.
I use a microscope to verify that every plant I grow is at the same level of maturity before harvesting. This allows me to verify which plants are actually the strongest.
I know that there are a lot of outdoor growers who harvest early due to paranoia, misinformation or greed (cartels) etc. that give outdoor weed a bad name. The same can be said of some indoor growers. The grower can definitley affect the quality of the weed so comparisons can be difficult. Fully mature weed is good whether grown indoor or outdoor. It is just that properly grown outdoor weed will be stronger.
Just my 2 cents.

[Purple Daddy]

Indoor growing became popular in the 80's when CAMP began raiding outdoor crops in the national forest, by 1988 prices had skyrocketed to $65 an 1/8th in CA. People started to move indoors to avoid law enforcement however this process is much more expensive and that pretty much is the only reason indoor growers charge more for their crop. I had a guy tell me outdoor isn't worth shit and I'd be lucky to get $1,000 a lb for it. IMO this guy didn't have a clue what he was talking about. I saw a chick on budtrader looking for bud and explicitely stated "don't try passing that outdoor shit off on me".

The biggest advantage of growing outside is your yeild is double or triple that of indoor growing.

[Douglas1]

you guy's really think outdoor is a better product? Sure the Sun is likely better source of light than what we can make indoors.. but there are so many factors you can control inside..

leaving the lights off for 24hrs before a harvest to up trich production.. using blue dominant light to up it.. no pests/pesticides, you can perform a proper flush.. your 100% in control of your nutrients and your environment is 100% under your control..

I'm not knocking outdoor.. but, I would wager that if you grew two clones of the same plant indoor and outdoor, the outdoor would be bigger, but the indoor would be more potent and taste better.

On a related note.. where I am it's still raining, and its nearing july.. this summer is going to suck for outdoor for anyone who is relying on that for a healthy supply. there should have been nearly a month and a half of bright long days already..

[Purple Daddy]

leaving the lights off for 24hrs before a harvest to up trich production.. using blue dominant light to up it.. no pests/pesticides, you can perform a proper flush.. your 100% in control of your nutrients and your environment is 100% under your control.. >>>>>>

Don't think mites aren't a problem indoors, I've had them and I've seen them on many other indoor crops. 24hrs of darkness before harvest is a myth, all my plants are in containers so I could do this if I wanted. I'm 100% in control of my nutrients and environment isn't much of an issue now through harvest as we'll have about 90% sunshine until then. In the end considering the cost/effort vs yield you can't convince me it's THAT much better. I see growing indoors as an option if it's the only option, I've done both and indoor really isn't worth my hassle and cost. I can tell you right now my fall crop plants will be more then double the size of the indoor crop I grew this spring. The clones I took off of them are already larger then the plants I harvested and we have two full months of sun before flowering. One plant is almost as tall as I am. An outdoor greenhouse gives you all the benefits of growing indoors but with the natural power of the sun.

[demoreal]

been getting 3+ from clubs in california, that will all go way down come dec...
edit: i am in so cal, I did not notice this was a north cal thread.'
edit: LA gets rushed come december, thanks to all you up there...:mad:

[Purple Daddy]

Club prices are extortion, if you're paying that much and have a script start growing your own. NOBODY should pay that fucking and they don't have to.

[demoreal]

Thats the price i give the clubs not the price they give me.
i thought this thread was about prices going up, and that being a good thing.
So us growers get paid a bit extra.
right? or am i wrong?

[Purple Daddy]

Sorry, my misunderstanding. Growers SHOULD be getting more it's the clubs that are raping people including growers. Nobody should have to pay more then $25 and 8th or $150 an oz. Some asshole from So. Cal emamiled me on budtrader when I was looking for some Thai bud and told me he had it and I would pay $325 an oz, I emailed him and said I COULD pay $325 but I wouldn't just based on principle.

[sunbiz1]

Thats the price i give the clubs not the price they give me.
i thought this thread was about prices going up, and that being a good thing.
So us growers get paid a bit extra.
right? or am i wrong?

You're right, growers should be getting paid more. When you consider the time, $$, and effort it takes to produce high potency herb, the manufacturer should be profiting more than some wholesaler. These clubs/dispensaries are simply retailers, like a liquor store in a sense. Even while legalizing marijuana, the government manages to fuck it up. Why can't growers in CA simply pay the taxes and sell directly to patients?. Dispensaries are not pharmacies, but rather distributors...no need for them.

[demoreal]

You can always start your own delivery service, Just make sure you have some capital to pay a lawyer.
If the clubs here are paying 3-3.5 g's for a piece. They can't sell ounces for 150. they are only buying it at 190-220 an ounce. This will all change in December though. Remember I am in So cal, and all you Northern cal people know this. The price here is much higher, LA just gets flooded in December and the price drops.
Just like (I forgot who said it, but someone did) If I was a grower up North I would for sure save my bud for summer.

[weeddaddy50]

Hello,

Been away for a while...all good responses to the thred....Demorel....sunbiz......even purple daddy....you all understand....the growers are just surviving....and barely paying their expenses.....the liquor store owner is the guy making 100% profit and more....they get growers to consign their medicine to them and sell it then....when they feel like it pay the grower.

Demorel......all that stuff is outdoor that floods the market.....and I have seen the mexican cartels....grow 1000's of pounds on national forest land...then dump it to the dispensarys at 600 to 800 a unit.....who knows what they sprayed on it....how they grew it........could be DDT for all anyone knows.....but the dispensarys...and patients...love it......because its cheap.....to them Price is everything...

Weed is weed........right.....there is no difference.....it is all weed......

That is why I said......there is a huge difference between medical cannibas......and weed.......ya they will both get you high.....but I want to know for sure what I am putting into my body.....and I assume most people would want to also.

Anyway....I am done with my 02 cents.

Purple Daddy.....I have Green Thai OG.....it is a strain I grow all the time.....it is (pre 98 bubba x og kush x green thai) = Green Thai OG....

I will find a picture and post it

[Purple Daddy]

I'm pretty sure DDT is no longer manufactured? Isn't that the shit in Agent Orange?

[weeddaddy50]

I have personally watched people spray RAID on their plants to kill the bugs .....I asked why....they said....to kill the bugs.....hey what about the medicine.....?????.....no response

[Purple Daddy]

I've used bug bombs but only in the veg state. They will kill mites but you have to use them every three days for a couple of weeks. If you still have an insect problem once you've gone into flowering you're kind of screwed.

[weeddaddy50]

Hey purple, that is what I am talking about....outdoors.....you will get catapillers, white flyies, mites, etc...etc...etc...and all of them during flower.....that is when growers...will freek out and spray anything on those plants to kill the bugs.....a bug bomb outside will not do much.....and that is my point.

For most people and espically the collectives.......MOST......NOT ALL......price is the only consideration.....the old saying "we can get it cheeper".......does not matter that the quality sucks...it has poision on it.....or what ever they used to kill the bugs....they want it because its cheap....and can turn in around at $50 an 1/8....

Now I believe there are a group of patients...who care how their medicine is grown....they care what they put in there bodies....and they care about quality of their medicine, and that is why I became a grower....because I am a patient......and I know those people exist....and they can get the higest quality medicine for the same donation.........being a patient first....and seeing the crap being sold at those prices.....I knew there had to be a better way....I just used my experence and moved my garden indoor......it's very easy to fail growing indoors....in fact most people do fail.....and they give up.....but indoor is where the highest quality medicine will come from.

most likely some or all of you will not agree....but that is my 02 cents

[Purple Daddy]

I wouldn't advise anyone to use a cannabis club for their medications. Find a competent grower and negotiate a good deal with them, maybe work with a few friends and buy up a lb. and divide it amongst yourselves.

As I've stated considering the time,expense and low yeild involved in indoor growing I just don't seee the real benefit unless it is your only option and you're growing for yourself.

I mean seriously, are the hydroponic tomatoes they charge $1 more a pound for really that much better then the ones grown in the ground? Hydrponic, organic etc., all sounds fancy but it also comes with a higher price tag.

[weeddaddy50]

Green Thai OG (pre 98 bubba x OG kush X green thai).....this is the quality patients should be getting for 50 1/8 at the dispensries.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd242/sdhuntclub/GreenThaiOGharvest6-21-11-2.jpg

[washmedical]

looks premature

[weeddaddy50]

Really.....well......It could of gone maybe 5 days longer, but the trichomes were all cloudy, and 20% were amber......that is usually how I tell is looking at the trichomes with a 30x microscope.....you must havea great eye that tells you when your medicine is done.....me I just look through the microscope every day till I feel we have the 70 % milky 30% amber.....to me that would be the signal to harvest.......++++ when you have a whole table ready like that....and teens that are ready to flower....that need to be moved to that table.....why wait the 5 days....the medicine was perfect........but your right.....

I am never to old to learn......by the looks of the picture....how much longer should I have let go?.....teach me something.

[washmedical]

good bubba has red hairs.. only talking shit because you said 50 an 1/8th. Anything over 10 bucks a gram better be cocaine

[Groundup]

hey weeddaddy
"I am never to old to learn......by the looks of the picture....how much longer should I have let go?.....teach me something.
"
Just gather all of that pre mature bud together and give it to Me!! that will teach you a lesson!!
:D :D

[weeddaddy50]

Hey Groundup.....LOL......I have some Killer Larry OG and Skywalker OG going right now.....3 weeks left....they are looking awesome right now.

Have some issues.....mostly with heat in my veg room....I just yanked out the 1000 MH and sold it to my hydro guy....and installed 2 t-5 eight blubs....the plants love it....and 1/2 the heat...+ most likely a energy savings.

Totally revamped all my grow hoods.....got an excellent deal at a hydro shop in Sacramento....The 8" raptor for $175 ea........they are just awesome way less heat...and the size works perfect on a 4 x 6 table.
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All I can say to all indoor growers is......growing indoors......is addicting.......I love it.....frustating at times.........Clean Green is the only way to know for sure
your medicine is the best it can be.

[Groundup]

i also veg with raptors , kevin at Good Nature huh? he always has good prices. i use radiant 8" lite movers etc.. for flower. i just never got into the t5 lites for veg , I use adjustable digital ballasts for all veg , 400 600 1k depending on situation, .
I'm rolling out some woody kush , and deadhead og, rt now , the woody kush is friggin awsome. blows the deadhead out of the water .!! plus its an 8 weeker +/let me find the pics

[Groundup]

heres some Bud porn
woody kush, 7 day veg from clone, still have another week or so!

[weeddaddy50]

sweet pictures......ya good nature.....good prices......my next move...is replacing my ballasts......from maganic to digital.....a few at a time.....

looking at a control upgrade........i want everything off timers and a controler that does everything....including water.

[Groundup]

he has his own line of ballasts called prodigity, i think there lumatek or who know what brand of knock off! they are cool i have smoked one them out or 6 so far.
Automation is a must, spiderbox,dehhum-control,co2 scrubber. this heat has me wanting to upgrade my ac.
Fujitsu 18CL 18,000 BTU Halcyon Ductless Mini-Split System (19 SEER) (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=fujitsu+mini+split&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7ADFA_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=3672396479687100517&sa=X&ei=t1cSTvKBMcLhiALGy-niDQ&ved=0CHYQ8wIwBA#)
these systems are nice growers use them in the bay area alot. you can have multiple rooms hooked up at one time with only one condenser

[weeddaddy50]

Yep....that is the AC unit I have but a 2 ton.....I changed my days and nights two weeks ago....just let the girls set in the dark for 24 hours....and then have lights come on a 10 pm off at 10 am....run you AC ....lights off during the day set it at 82...make sure you dehumibifier is empty....and the girls love it....when lights come on.....it will be easy for your AC to keep up with it.....I have 5 fans going all the time....a 1700 CFM exhust fan that turns on and off every 15 mintues and 2 8" dust shroom......for air intake with a huge 12" X 48" carbon filter......So far my heat issues have been very easy to deal with....also remember when you have lights on in the day with this heat....your electrical breakers are hot very hot and will trip on you.....don't fight it....go with the dark/lights on day/lights off.....your life will be easier.

[Groundup]

ya i flipped ten weeks ago thinking it was going to above 80 deg by now LOL but the hot days r finally here!!

[weeddaddy50]

it sure makes it hard to work in there though....gives me 2 hours in the am and that is it.

[chazz]

What ticks me off as a grower is clubs...taking crappy B grade outdoor and telling patients it's indoor and charging 50/8th.

Believe me I have visited over 30 clubs....and it happens a lot.

I've seen it happen before a lot. They jack the price up from say 25/30 to 40/50 just flat out wrong.

[pentupentropy]

Can I just ask how it is that some people are finding such good prices while others are not? I have a friend with a dispensary, and he's complaining because he just paid 3400/ea for AAA stuff but last year got it for 2800. His grower went out of business, so he (and, honestly I, maybe because I know so little about it) figured the grower wasn't making enough back to support themselves.

[Purple Daddy]

Can I just ask how it is that some people are finding such good prices while others are not? >>>>>

Depends on where you are located. Last year in No. Cal. there was a pretty large supply come fall which helped push prices down(wholesale). Clubs typically are offering $400-$500 per QP or about $13-$15 and 8th then reselling it for as much as $40-$50 an 8th. My buddy just spent $40 at a club in Sacramento for an 8th. My neighbor just picked up a half oz. for $80.

[weeddaddy50]

Pentupentropy......that is a very question to answer.....the true donation should be in the 3200 to 3800 range to growers, because without that....it is nearly impossible to survive....but it will cost the patients....not more than they are paying now at the dispensry level, as those are guys who are making 100% profit....and killing off the growers as they do it.
I see it all the time......collectives beat down the grower to what ever they can get away with.....the grower who listens to them....talking about establishing relationships....thinking well.....I need to pay my bills....maybe after there patients try my awesome medicine....I can get a higher price.....it never works.....they just lowball some other grower....or get outdoor and tell their customers it....AAA indoor.....and some customers don't know the difference.

My conclusion is "growers who sell below cost" are subsidizing the collectives.....a discount.....and they DO NOT pass that on the the patient.....it's just more money for them......those growers are now finally finding out.....they are really losing money....and it's very hard work....and anything can and will happen......it not as easy as it looks....so they go out of business......Pricing has to come up to a realistic level.....or the quality of the product must decrease....that is the only way.....Also....I believe the patients are starting to realize....that some dispensrys sell crap.....for $50 an 1/8....and they are not buying it.....

Just 2 years ago....the prices were as follows...wholesale....outdoor $2300-$2800....indoor $3500 to $4500

But now you have very greedy collectives.....and growers who are getting into it....and they do not know their true costs.

The established growers....are caught in the middle....some will survive....some will not....some will just adjust and open their own collective and chase the greedy collective out of business.

I for the life of me cannot figure how a collective making 50% to 100% profit on something will go out of business????
what it says to me.....is they are taking a heck of alot of money out......and now they will have to be satisified will less...just "alot"....insted of a heck of a lot.

Collectives who treat their growers in a respectful way....and establish a "fair for both" relationship will floursish...and grow
becasue they will never have to look for medicine for their patients....they would have a standing order at a fair price...delivered....weekly.....just like.....milk...bread....fuel.....those collective who think that way....are way ahead of the game......The other problem.....about half of the collectives are owned by drug dealers....I call them THUGS....very easy to spot those collectives......when you walk in....you can feel it.....once those collective get shut down....and real business minded people replace them.....those collective will flurish.

Sorry for the rant......but.....I have seen it all......and dont even get me started on the brokers.....they are the scum of the earth.

[Purple Daddy]

This is why growers need to work together as a true co-op, operate their own dispensaries and eliminate the middle man. The problem I think is that most growers would prefer to remain anonymous(for good reason) and don't want to deal with the day to day retail end of the business.

[weeddaddy50]

Purple Daddy.....I am doing excatly what you are decribing.....I started my own growers collective....and we are adding patients....and despensing way better quality medicine for a lot less than any collectives.....but we still work with collective who see the big picture, and add more when we find one run by compassionate people who really care about their patients and the growers alike.