1st grow

[WickedJack]

hey everyone.!

Ok so I started my 1st grow with some green-o-matic & 60 day wonder feminized autoflower seeds I received tuesday @ 12 noon.. :thumbsup:

This is the progress thus far..
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Germed same day
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18 hours later
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Plopped them into some soil Wednesday night
Thursdays results of the green-o-matic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0688.jpg

And this is the little girl this morning
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Please dont hesitate to let me know of anything Im doing wrong !

Thanks for lookin :)

[WickedJack]

Another better pic..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3204.jpg

[Mrbig1]

Cool man I wanted to get some autos but people say they don't yield much so just make sure you give it all the care it needs

So is this inside or out?

[WickedJack]

Their both inside for now
under a 55w 6700k full spectrum flouro

Peace

[Mrbig1]

Looking nice and green. Keep up the love :D

[WickedJack]

8 days since I received them as seeds

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[Mrbig1]

Still looking great :D what are you going to transplant them into?

[WickedJack]

Still looking great :D what are you going to transplant them into?

5G pots :thumbsup:

[WickedJack]

Well I dont know whats happening but I think Im over watering..?
I read to mist the plants when they 1st emerge because they have no roots & absorb the water thru their leaves..

So I mist every couple hours & give a little water to the soil cause it goes bone dry within a few hours..

And well this is what I have now poor little wilty babys =(
Is this what over watering looks like..?

Peace
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0729.jpg

[Shovelhandle]

Good luck with this grow. This is a good place to post a log and ask questions. People are very kind with their knowledge.

[WickedJack]

Thanks i hope so
Do you think giving them a shot of molasses/water mix will perk them up..?
Ive spent too much $$ on these seeds to let them die..
I cant get any nutes until monday & have only been giving them water..

Thanks
Peace

[Mrbig1]

Molasses shouldn't hurt them just don't overwater with it and watch out for bugs

[WickedJack]

K watered yesterday with molasses mix & today I added the DIY CO2 "generator" ..I have the exit tube in a shot glass of water between the 2 seedlings so I can see the bubbles of CO2 & their pumping outa there at a rate of almost 1 bubble per second..Not bad I guess..?

I have the seedlings in a enclosed 10g aquarium in natural sunlight..I misted the inside (not the plants) for humidity,should I have done this..?

Should I open the aquarium to let some fresh oxygen in every so often cause its a sealed unit..

I hope they make it..

Peace

[WickedJack]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/th_IMG_0738.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/?action=view&current=IMG_0738.mp4)

Heres a short vid of the CO2 @ work..
:thumbsup:

The temp says 80* but I had just put it in there it was in my pocket..guess I have a hot ass.. lmao

Current temp is 77*

Peace

[Mrbig1]

Good good

Its easy and cheap way to ease your plants back to health :D

When it seems like its not bubbling anymore empty half the water and add new water with a bit of sugar to keep it going

[WickedJack]

This is 5 hours of Co2..

Both are looking way better then this morning..lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/123.jpg
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[Mrbig1]

Also i would get them closer to the light since they are autos and you don't want them stretching to much. Also are they auto lowryders or just auto flowering id assume lowryder since it says 60 days

[WickedJack]

I have no idea actually
60 Day Wonder
A very special commercial indica that produces fat and resinous flowers and finishes early. It is then crossed to a ruderalis strain, back crossed a couple of times, and now we are ready to release one of the fastest commercially viable strains out on the market. 60 Day Wonder will finish in any light cycle, including 24 hours of light, 60 days from SEED!!!

The flowers on this plant look more like the Williams Wonder and it keeps the medicinal values of her as well, but thanks to the ruderalis, we don't have to wait long for this magical medicine! Great for the beginner grower and perfect for commercial growers who want to crop every 60 days in- or outside from SEED!! A great strain for the windowsill or for the stealthy gardener.


Green-O-matic..Genetics:
Ruderalis, Moroccan, White Dwarf, Low Rider <------- I guess this one is


So whatever that means..lol

[WickedJack]

Took my babies out for a break in the sunshine & fresh air..& put the next seed in the tank that germed..
I hope this one starts life a bit better

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0734.jpg

[Mrbig1]

Well it is ruderalis which is what low ryders are some say that the potency for ruderalis isnt all that great but for a quick grow its alright


How are the little patients doing so far? Also you can just start this one with some CO2 to slice of a few days

[WickedJack]

After some natural sun some fresh air & some CO2 I'd say for the 1st day of 'reviving" their lookin pretty damn good..lol


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[Mrbig1]

If you wanted to get technical (ghetto) try to use a bowl cover the plastic ones that stretch put it over the hole pot then a hole in the top so you can run the hose into then let it turn into a somewhat air tight co2 chamber might even help with humidity to

[WickedJack]

well this is what their in now its pretty air tight I have 1 26w 6400k bulb in there the humidity is @ 62* temp is 75* with the CO2 pumping in there I think thats pretty much ideal isnt it..?

You think I should raise them a bit closer to the light...? Or should I wait a couple days untill their healthy again to raise them up..?

Peace

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[Mrbig1]

Unless they show signs of needing more light they should be fine but more light wouldn't hurt. Also nice little tank :D that should keep all the co2 in plus with higher temps they will absorb more co2 so raising up shouldnt hurt them.

[WickedJack]

Raised them up about another 3 inches opened the top vent of the tank & had a small fan blowing across the light left the light on all night & this morning their looking almost normal..

WOOHOO Im so glad I found this site before buying these seeds I would have killed them for sure..lol

Ok so now that their back on their way how much water per plant should I be giving them..?
I find that these jiffy pots soak up alot of the water so I dont think their getting much at all..
I think maybe 1/4 cup each maybe cause Ive only been giving them a shot glass but the pots soak most of it up.
Im thinkin maybe placing them into a shallow dish of water & letting the pots soak it up until I think their getting enough..? I dunno kinda stumped..

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[Mrbig1]

Once they get big enough you should move them out of the peat moss cup since they will start to mold when their wet. Always better to start in a plastic or Styrofoam cup

[WickedJack]

Never buy black gold potting soil for plants its frkn garbage..it hardens up like cement even when its wet..Dunno if my seed will be able to sprout out the surface its so freakin hard..

[WickedJack]

Ok so if these guys live its going to be amazing..lol

Theyve been replanted for the 2nd time in Pro-Mix Bx put into 16oz beer cups with plenty of aeration holes bidway & at bottom of the cups..

And they got a nice light dose of Super Natural Gro nutes..

I jumped the gun when I received these seeds I admit it I wasn't ready when I germed them..
But now I know my lessen I know what I need to get started & am definitely going to read a lot more & make sure I need to know what I need to finish :)

Peace

[LuckyThief86]

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/197455-2nd-indoor-grow-auto-strains.html#post2200863

I'm growing with Auto's too, Buddha Seeds "Syrup" and "Red Dwarf" strains, as well as Serious Seeds strain called "Smurfberry". I've also seen autoflowers of White Widow by Lowlife Seeds. It's as potent as the plant that mothered and fathered it. My next strain to grow, Delicious Seeds "La Diva" has stats stating that it's 15% THC, 100% Indica-ruderalis crossbreed, and yields 300 grams per meter square. Autoflowers are great for the medical grower, in my humble opinion, because not everyone has room for a 9 foot Sativa in their closet, you know?

It's early for you yet, but I just purchased an Ozone generator because I'm six weeks in with my autoflowers and they're starting to show their first resin glands [seen under my 60x-100x hand-held microscope]. You should invest in one in the next few weeks, unless you're okay with police quite literally kicking your door down. Smell, in some parts, is enough to get a warrant. Up until flowering, it'll help keep the smell down if you use a natural fertilizer regiment such as Peruvian Sea Bird or Jamaican Bat Guano, or earthworm castings. During flowering, it'll keep the distinct 'skunk' smell to a minimum.

Make sure when you use nutrients, not to get any on the leaves. If you do, use a spray bottle full of water to spray it off of the leaf before it dries. If you don't, the leaf will turn brown because you killed part of it. Learn from my mistakes.

In my humble opinion, you germinated too few seeds. I started out with eight seedlings; 5 Smurfberry, 1 Syrup, 1 Quasar, and 1 Red Dwarf. Two never came up, another popped but never laid its taproot down and died, and another one was quite literally murdered by someone who calls me 'friend'. To learn from this: Not every seed is strong, not every plant can survive manhandling by people who aren't as attached to the plant as you are. Pinch your seed between your fingers, it should be strong. If it cracks, it's not worth it. A good seed is dark, and under a magnifying glass has what is best described as Zebra lines.

I'm not allowed to advertise brands or shops here, so I'll keep it general. Read as many books as you can on Marijuana horticulture, and watch as many videos as you can. Growers like Jorge Cervantes have a plethora of both to watch. Personally, I have about five grow DVD's I watch on a constant basis to keep me fresh on what I'm doing, and a field growers bible that I keep in my growers box.

Keep your fertilizers organic, because you're going to be ingesting this at some point. You're growing it, if you go for the good stuff, you'll get good stuff in return.

You're going to want to invest in a 5x or higher-powered magnifying glass. I know your pack says "Feminized", and both DNA Genetics [hey, I have one of their lighters!] and both Green House Seed Co are top quality providers with a great reputation, you might get the odd herm seed, or most unlikely, a full-on male. Go to a surplus store, I picked up a jewelers loupe, 6x magnifying lens, and some surgical forceps for under $10.

My last bit of advice is stop replanting so much. Your plants will be happier for it. My seeds were not germinated in a wet paper towel, or in anything other than their final growing medium. My seeds have never, ever left their growing medium, from start to finish. The only time they've ever been stressed out is when I did my nutrient purge the other night because I drowned them [but only just a little]. I've found that Autoflowers do just fine under a 24/0 grow cycle, even through flowering. Try to recreate nature as best you can, or do better than it can. I've found incredible results with CO2, and I'm so thrilled you're doing it on your first grow.

I'm on my 'second' grow. My cat broke in to the grow room and ate all the seedlings, so I had to restart.

Honestly, read as much as you can as often as you can. I hope your auto's turn out well.

[LuckyThief86]

Note to the above: 20/4 is optimal for growing if your plants show they're stunted. I felt my plants hadn't grown any noticeable way in a few days, so... I switched my timer to 20/4, and I came back this morning and had to lift my grow light a few inches because one of the plants grew enough to nearly touch it. So, yeah.

[WickedJack]

Thanks LuckyThief86 a lot of good info.

Yah I didnt want to replant @ all so I bought those peat pots which I was told mold after you plant them into bigger pots so out they went when I was told that my soil was way too high in fert

They've been replanted twice the 1st time was my fault I thought my original soil was what was causing all their stress but turns out it was lack of humidity..

They'll only be replanted 1 last time into their 5g pots when needed I did have them on 24hr light & just lastnight switched them off for 5 hours but if you say 20/4 then thats what I'll do..

IMO I think their small but what do I know this is my 1st time growing ever..Hell this is the 1st time seeing a plant this young..lol

I got the seeds on May 17th @ 12 noon I germed them & this is what they looked like 2 days ago..
I've read people that have 2 week old plants that are 6-7 inches tall already..!?

I can however see new growth today :thumbsup:

Anyway thanks for the input

Peace

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[LuckyThief86]

There's some yellowing on the outside of your leaves, which you should look in to. Your girls are asking for help.

Your plants are about to explode. Autoflowers have a 15 day vegetative growth before they start blooming. You just exited that, so be prepared for a lot of good growth my man!

I'm not saying 20/4 is -the- way to go. If you're doing 19/5, and that works, keep with it. I've heard of 18/6 working just fine. Feel it out, you know?

5gal buckets for an autoflower? I hope you're only using a bucket or two. Autoflowers grow best in what I've been told is called the 'sea of green' set-up, which is what I have. I'm using an EarthBox, and I have three healthy adult plants, and one that is rather diminutive in stature. However, I think it's because of a bad seed. Anyway, my point is, if you get caught, they count the weight of the soil towards the amount of pot you are growing. There was an article in High Times, if I'm not mistaken, about a woman getting hit with 86 pounds because of all the soil she had. The pigs are vicious, and will try to ream you as hard as they can.

My only concern with your plants, like I said, is the yellowing. Is that -browning- on the tips? That indicates death in the leaf. Get on that.

[WickedJack]

Yeah the brown tips are from the soil I was told had way too much fertilizer in it but since I put them in the new soil they have like you said exploded I see 4 new leaves coming in already I'm sure the co2 is helping alot too but now that I have and know everything I need I'm ready for them to grow

I have 3 gallon pots if you think they would be better ? I only have 3 plants going right now but will start germing some more once I feel these ones are taken care of

[WickedJack]

Heres a pic I just took now their doing alot better & have grown a bunch today..

Green-O-Matic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0783.jpg

60 Day Wonder
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0785.jpg

[WickedJack]

So I need to get them under some serious lights now hey my 55w 6400k aint gonna cut it anymore..lol

What do you recommend for a small closet 3x3'

Is this what your talking about that you have..?
That would be a hella lot easier then pots I think !
EarthBox Complete Kits-EarthBox (http://store.earthbox.com/EarthBox-Complete-Kits/products/12/)

[WickedJack]

Forgot to mention that when I ordered these seeds 1 came cracked in the vile & was a dud..
So I asked the place where I got them from if they replace bunk seeds they said yes of course
so i asked for a different strand & this is what I picked up @ the post office today

Freebies..!! So stoked to try these 80% Sativa 20% Indica w00t

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0782.jpg

[LuckyThief86]

Sorry to post so much. Going back over your old posts, keeping them in a tank is actually a really terrible idea. The plant uses up all the CO2 around it, but with stagnant air, doesn't circulate, and doesn't grow. At -least- put a small little computer fan in there to circulate the air. It -has- to be moving. At least, this is what I've learned. I could be completely wrong. :)

I'm expecting two ounces off -one- of my autoflowers. Two zips off one plant? Oh yeah. Take good care of them, because one day they're going to take care of you.

[WickedJack]

No worries m8 post away the more you do the more i learn :)

I do have a small fan that blows air into the tank from the front & out a crack in the back plus I have the CO2 line running in
but the fan prolly just blows it right back out lol

[LuckyThief86]

Good job on the free seeds! I got a tattoo with a seed distributors logo, and they sent me something like 50 free seeds. My next strain is World of Seeds Afghan Kush Ryder; 22% THC content!

Anyway, you could use a small fan, like an 80mm. You just need the air moving around, it doesn't need to be replaced; just circulated. It makes it so the plant always has fresh CO2 and air available to it.

Definitely need a new grow light. Your plants are going to grow now, and grow a lot.

My EarthBox is alright, but if you get one, don't use the fertilizer they provide. It's a 7-7-7, sure, but when you have to use Sledge Hammer, or a similar product to destroy the salts, you're going to need a lot of it, because there's going to be a -lot- of salt. The only downfall with it is that I'm growing inside, and it's really hard to drain the reservoir. It's designed for outdoor growing, and to wash it out, you just flood it with a hose. I, however, had to use a submersible pump, a couple buckets, and a buddy, as well as some whiskey to get the taste of nutrient solution out of our mouths from the siphoning we had to do to get the pump started. Nasty!

One thing I learned to do, is plan ten steps ahead. When you have the money, get what you need. I go without gas money, and without a lot of luxuries because I'm taking this growing thing incredibly serious. I have a few pairs of magnifying glasses, some snips, a scalpel, microscope, soil pH tester, a -lot- of different organic nutes, etc. etc. etc. I also have canning jars for curing, and a trim tray for when I need it. A spray bottle with filtered water, and a spray bottle with foliar spray.

You're spraying too much, which is why your plants wilted. Spray twice a day, lightly. Like, when you go to the store, how the misters turn on lightly for a few seconds every like, six hours? Do that. Don't drench them. When they wilt like a weeping willow, you're drowning them.

According to Maximum Yield Monthly, or High Times section by Nico Escondido [it's so hard to keep what articles came from where after years of arguing], thought I'm pretty sure it was HT... Yeah, it was an article in the July 2011 issue, with the cover story about Marc Emery being interviewed in prison. Page 112, about how important flushing is.

"Really savvy growers implement a flushing program that runs concurrently with the regular feeding schedule. For example, some growers may feed with a nutrient solution on day one, then flush completely with purified water on day two and give the plant nothing on day three, allowing the medium to dry almost completely. Not only does this encourage better root growth, but it also helps prevent nutrient lock-up from dissolved salts"

Using an EarthBox, I've yet to have a problem with nute lock. Could just be me. Either way, back to you!

You'll want a better setup for your Neville's Haze. Those are full-sized plants, and you'll want a HID [high-intensity discharge] light like HPS [high pressure sodium] or MH [Metal Halide] to properly grow them; or better, if you can, do them outside. In Humboldt County, CA, they have plants that harvest 10 pounds apiece. They are large, like trees.

I have listed all my contact information in my profile. Feel free to contact me. I may not be the best resource to use, but I'll tell you everything I've read that might help you.

[SmokeMyPiece]

All that extra stuff is for experts bro. Get rid of the CO2, you need high temps and SEALED rooms among other variables. Its really not a benefit for small grows.

I just replied to this same scenario in another thread. All you need is Light,Soil,Ventilation.

Now, with autos, they have a 'X' amount of veg days that are imprinted in their growth pattern. So you want to plant them in what will be their final home from seed(3 gal is fine). Otherwise you will stunt them and effect yield. Now you have had those autos goin for a while now and are no where near flower.. Id still be interested to see how they finish if you can keep em goin.

That CFL you have is fine up until the 3rd or 4th set of leaves.

If you can keep a constant flow of fresh air, proper watering/drying, and decent lighting, you got green :thumbsup:

[WickedJack]

Sorry I bailed on you guys each night around this time for me the server gets too busy & boots me off..

Anyway I appreciate all your help & advice very much appreciated..!!

Ok so what I did after reading what you 2 wrote was I took them out of that small setup & put them in my ghetto box just until I have time to fixup the closet their going in..

The box is approx 3 feet tall (adjustable height) 2 feet wide & 18" deep the only light is the 55w 6400k CFL the box has a 120mm exhaust fan in the top with a 4"x4" intake hole in the bottom with a mesh filter as to not suck dust bunnies & whatever in..
There is also a smaller 2'x2" pc fan inside lightly blowing on the plants oh the box is also lined with tinfoil..I was going to paint it flat white but tinfoil was faster..lol
I hooked both fans to a adjustable power supply so I can control the speed @ 12v the temp inside the box is around 72* @ 9v the temps go up to around 77* but obviously less airflow..The humidity also fluctuates depending on how much I mist & fan speed but is usually around 30-40% is humidity not a issue with youngsters.?
The CO2 mixture I dont think is doing much anymore so may just get rid of that now that their perking up..

When you say 3rd 4th set of leaves do you mean like the actual fan leaves or just the tiny ones you see in my latest pics..?
Cause right now neither of them have the true "5" point leaves

Thanks alot guys

I was doing some googeling those neville's Haze TCH is @ 22.6 % ! omg what did I get myself into..lol

[WickedJack]

Also I have supernatural gro terra 20-20-20 I mixed up 1/2 strength & gave them a 2oz shot each yesterday & noticed a big growth spurt how often should I be giving them this & when should i switch to full strength..?

Peace

[LuckyThief86]

Tinfoil!!! That reminds me of Ricky from Trailer Park Boys. Get mylar, or if you really wanna spring for the good stuff, Orca grow film. It's more reflective than Mylar. Tinfoil is easy to crinkle, and will scatter the light every which way but loose. If you notice in the pictures on my grow log, the ones you just commented on? There's a wall of reflection in the back of the second one, and you can almost see my hand. I have a sheet of Mylar hanging on the back wall to help reflect light. If any of your friends grow, I guarantee they've got rolls of this stuff just lying around.

My humidity right now is 60% or so. Get a hygrometer. You can find them at a pet store in the reptile aisle. Perfect way to know how much humidity you have.

When he said 3rd or 4th set, he meant true leaves, not the leaves that came from the seed popping. The true leaves have between 3-9 'fingers', or so I call them. The ones at the very bottom, just above the seedling leaves, [at least on mine] have three fingers. Some have five. Most have seven, though. I've seen some bigger sativa's with 9, though.

Your CO2 system is much more advanced than mine. I go to the paintball store, have them fill a 20oz canister, and let it leak out in the room over night after I've sealed it up with tape. I also bought this CO2 generator that has mold spores that release CO2 as they decay the block they're in. It's got a one-way filter, so it's perfectly safe to keep in the grow room.

[LuckyThief86]

I'd say if they're responding to half doses, keep it like that. 20-20-20 has a lot of big numbers, but that doesn't really mean much. It just means the content. It could be derived from anywhere. It's like the difference between an ounce of espresso and an ounce of earl gray tea. One's more potent. The guy at my local hydro store said for the most part, bigger numbers isn't always better. I'd stick with half doses, unless you feel more adventurous. This -is- your first indoor, you're going to experiment a little and find out what works for you.

At the end of the day, this is -your- grow set up, and -you- need to make the final decisions. Nobody on this forum, unless we can see every aspect of your grow op, can accurately tell you exactly how much of what you need to use.

[WickedJack]

Yeah tinfoil i know lame right..lol Like I said Ghetto grow box..LOL

Yeah I saw that pic of your thats like flexible mirror..!
I gotta run to the store today I'll look for that & or maybe a smaller tent.
That paintball CO2 is a hella good idea I'll steal my sons tank for awhile..LOL
I have a hygrometer in there & thats why I mist so much is because it stays so low..30%-40% max in that box
When I do mist tho I rarely hit the plants with it so its not the weight of the water that caused the wilt it was the lack of humidty when I had them out of the box & tank for a couple days just sitting open under the CFL..
Yah the supernatural gro is what was suggested when I asked a friend of mine swears by it & she knows how to grow..!

Take Care
Peace.

[WickedJack]

I was googeling for a plant the same age as mine is this really how big its sposed to be..?
And people are commenting that its small..?? Its WAY bigger then mine.. =\

YouTube - &#x202a;Marijuana pure power plant 15 days old&#x202c;&rlm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvQ9vpFuoFk)

[LuckyThief86]

Well, if someone more experienced than me says to do something, you do it :) I'll look for it next time I'm in the market for nutes.

When I mist, I make sure to spray the plant lightly; like a damp morning dew :D

I've heard really awful things about CFL's, but if it works, don't knock it.

If your son has a remote harness, it has the piece you need. Take the fitting that goes on the tank [you can get them at the paintball store for like, $15] and put a 90* elbow on it. Put a length of macroline in it, and turn it on ever so gingerly till it starts hissing out and doesn't stop. Put it down, set the hose above the top of your plants. CO2 is heavier than air, and will go down. Filter it through the top leaves, let it flow down to the bottom :)

Since you're in an enclosed growing area, maybe just turn it on for a few minutes at a time so you don't waste CO2? I dunno. Good luck mate.

[SmokeMyPiece]

The only thing against foil is its weak reflectivity and a chance that the crinkles will focus hot spots and burn your plants.

Since you just watered/fed, let the seedling dry out a little but not completely(just right around the stem). forcing the plants to search and suck the dirt dry before watering again will ensure steady growth.

Dont feed again until like the third watering from now. If they are showing growth signs, they should grow a node or two in that time.

And CFLs are fine for veg. Its in flower that they come up short compared to an HID.

This one plant was vegged under 4x26W CFLs
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[WickedJack]

I like your GrowBox idea all plants in 1 container
The most I'd do is prolly only 2-3 plants @ a time..
Next time you clean it out put a small fishtank pump @ the bottom with a check valve in the line so when you need to empty it just plug it in & away you go.. :thumbsup:
Unless you'd prefer the whiskey method ;)

I need to find a way to add & keep humidity in the box I have a fogger I use for my gecko tanks just for show effect but that would pump a bunch of moisture into the air..

hmmmmmm ghetto brainstorming :wtf:

[LuckyThief86]

Honestly? Smoke a little before you brainstorm. I always come up with brilliant ghetto engineering masterpieces when I'm faded. That's how I thought of the paint ball CO2 canister, or thinking of googling "Organic CO2 generator". Now I have a $25 piece of decaying fungus pumping CO2 in to my room. You should see half of the homegrown hydro setups I've thought up with pvc pipe, pumps, and fish tanks.

Anyway, you need to post a picture!!!

Whiskey, all the way ;)

[LuckyThief86]

I think the difference between 30-40% humidity like you have, and putting the fogger in.... would be like... Well, the difference between a nice afternoon and a sweltering amazon jungle with those little fish that swim up your urethra and lodge themselves there.

Maybe it's just me, and maybe it's the whiskey talking.... but damn do I hope you have a good harvest!

[WickedJack]

Well I went & plugged the fogger in & it quit workin so sorry M8 no pics..
Woulda been cool takin a pic of a fog all around the base of the plants with just the tops pokin thru..lol

but I did take a pic of the NH seed Im about to germ :)

I know their hard to grow thats why Im letting a friend put it in her grow room for me..:)

She'll know what to do with it..lol

Cool lookin seeds for sure..! Zebra lookin

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[WickedJack]

Thought I'd post some pics from this morning..
Their lookin better hey..?
Not as big as they should be I dont think ?
but hey their alive & growing :)
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[LuckyThief86]

This is honestly my favorite part. I love germing seeds, and seeing little sprouts and waking up every morning to count them... and I love collecting seeds. But I've found the one thing I love the most, so far, is the first set of true leaves. Five fingers, baby!

Yours seem to be doing alright. I'm cheering for ya, mate. Keep it up!

[WickedJack]

Thanks bud yeah I hope they do alright my next go round will only be better thanks to you everyone who helped me along the way & this site..! :)



I am Jack's Raging Bile Duct.
I am Jack's Cold Sweat.
I Am Jack's Complete Lack of Surprise
I Am Jack's Smirking Revenge.
I Am Jack's Medulla Oblongata
I Am Jill's Nipple
I Am Jack's Colon

[LuckyThief86]

I Am Jack's Colon

Haha, yeah. I get cancer, I kill Jack.

You're not even close to being done. You've still got like 5 or 6 more weeks to go. Do you plan to make any upgrades to your setup for the rest of the grow? For the next grow?

Is your friend going to raise the Neville's Haze entirely on her own, or does she get a zip as a reward? I'm guerrilla growing some LA Skunk for a black market bottom-level dispensary, his only stipulation on giving me the seeds was he could buy his zips for $150 an ounce or less. Growing for other people is tricky dealings, man.

Since your fogger broke, what are you doing about keeping the humidity up? That could be one of the reasons your plant is rather slow. Still on half-doses of nutes?

[WickedJack]

Im going to go buy a humidifier tomorrow I been messin with it all damn day tryin to fix it..Im done messin with it..lol
Yah Im gonna upgrade thinkin on going with 2 3' T5 strips plus this loopy light for veg & maybe ballast set up for flower and a real tent not a frkn cardboard box..lol
Not really sure how these autoflower's work how tall they get etc so still kinda guessing..

Oh she'll get most of what the Haze produces plus all the clones she'll get from it I'll just ask for a pinch..I still have 4 more seeds if they dont germ I'll ask for another freebie pack..LOL

Still on 1/2 nutes yep the growth today was pretty good the soil didnt dry out as much as I'd like so I could hammer them again with nutes but by tomorrow they'll get another dose..lol

[LuckyThief86]

Aside from the Dinafems I've seen in the magazines, most of them don't get over a foot and a half tall. 45 centimeters? The autoflowering gene comes from the Ruderalis plant.

Extracted from Wikipedia: "Although many authorities continue to class all varieties of the plant, including Hemp and Marijuana, as Cannabis sativa, it is widely accepted that there are three separate species or sub-species: C.sativa being most widely cultivated in the Western World, was originally grown on an industrial scale for fibre, oil, and animal feedstuffs, is characterised by tall growth with few, widely-spaced, branches; Cannabis indica, originating in south Asia, and also known historically as Indian Hemp, was cultivated for the drug content, with shorter bushy plants giving a much greater yield per unit height; Cannabis ruderalis is a hardier variety grown in the northern Himalayas and southern states of the former Soviet Union, having a more sparse "weedy" growth, and is rarely cultivated for the drug content "

And goes on to state:

"Cannabis ruderalis is a putative species of Cannabis originating in central Asia. It flowers earlier than C. indica or C. sativa, does not grow as tall, and can withstand much harsher climates than either of them. Cannabis ruderalis is purported to go into budding based strictly on age and not on changes in length of daylight.[citation needed] This kind of flowering is also known as auto-flowering.[1].

Cannabis ruderalis has a lower THC content than either C. sativa or C. indica; thus, it has little recreational use. However, C. indica strains are frequently cross-bred with C. ruderalis to produce plants combining a higher THC content with the hardiness and reduced height of ruderalis.[citation needed]"

Also, it really strikes me as odd that your distributor would replace seeds that do not germinate when most places sell them as souvenirs and directly state not to germinate them.

If you want to -see- how tall your plants are going to be, check my log. http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/197455-2nd-indoor-grow-auto-strains.html I just posted a picture of me with my girls about 1-2 weeks from harvest at most.

In my humble opinion, you should supplement your 20-20-20 with some organic root booster. The bigger your root ball, the bigger your yield. I'm expecting four dried ounces for two plants.

Do not trim your first two sets of true leaves, ever. These will eventually, if allowed, grow in to separate branches with their own set of buds. I clipped one of them, and I'm really kicking myself for it.

[WickedJack]

Thats funny you said that I bought some boost yesterday along with the other nutes I'll eventually need & just gave them a watering :)
Hopefully they'll start actually growing like weeds..
I have 3g pots I should when their ready use 1 plant per pot right..?

Yah my distributor here has a "smoke coffee shop" so their not all that discreet about things..
They even send instructions on how to germinate them..lol
But must be unable to provide any info as they mature..

[SmokeMyPiece]

Sounds good Wicked :thumbsup:

Yes One plant per pot. Rule of thumb is 1 Gallon of dirt per foot of growth.
If you really think ur humidity is a problem, an upside down Tupperware bowl is as cheap as it gets. Or put the plant&pot in a slightly bigger tub and cover with plastic wrap.. either way, ull get the condensation/higher humidity.

Just for comparison, This was just given third feeding of 1/2 strength. Under 2x26W CFL. Fed every other watering. Also when it looks like this, is when I water.
276057

any new growth pics?

Stay up

[LuckyThief86]

If the rule of thumb is one gallon per foot, you could put two autoflowers in a 3g pot. Like I said. Foot and a half each.

Instructions on germing? God bless Canada :D

Good luck Wicked! Post some new pics!

[WickedJack]

Heres some pics I just snapped off in their new luxury apartment with waterfall & wading pool..LOL :thumbsup: This still doesnt keep the humidity up as high as I want it but it evaporates less quickly..

None of the new leaves have any kind of discoloration so it had to have been that soil I was using before.. Should I add a bit more soil to support the stem I do have a small pc fan blowing on them to strengthen it but it still looks like their too thin to support those leaves..

Thanks guys :)

Peace


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[SmokeMyPiece]

o0 New growth, lookin better man!

Na, no soil yet. the weight and wind will make it wanna thicken its stem (forcing more growth). As they get older, they like being deprived and damaged :D


If the rule of thumb is one gallon per foot, you could put two autoflowers in a 3g pot. Like I said. Foot and a half each.

Doesn't work like that:
-When they get bigger, the roots will fight each other, and one will likely win out and grow bigger, if not suffocate the other to death.
-If one shows a nutrient deficiency and the other doesnt, how do you up that specific nute intake on one and not burn the other??
-If one goes male/hermie, how do you pull it without damaging the roots system of the other??

Always think long term, stay green!

[WickedJack]

o0 New growth, lookin better man!

Na, no soil yet. the weight and wind will make it wanna thicken its stem (forcing more growth). As they get older, they like being deprived and damaged :D



Doesn't work like that:
-When they get bigger, the roots will fight each other, and one will likely win out and grow bigger, if not suffocate the other to death.
-If one shows a nutrient deficiency and the other doesnt, how do you up that specific nute intake on one and not burn the other??
-If one goes male/hermie, how do you pull it without damaging the roots system of the other??

Always think long term, stay green!

Thats a good point I would have never thought of one choking out the other..

approx how big will these guys be good for until i gotta plunk'em into the pots..?

[SmokeMyPiece]

Now, with autos, they have a 'X' amount of veg days that are imprinted in their growth pattern. So you want to plant them in what will be their final home from seed(3 gal is fine)

"if" I were you, i would transplant the two older ones in a week; Enough time to truly recover again.
For the small/new one that looks to just have sprouted, i would transplant ASAP.

Photo-period strains are a lot easier for first time grows, they are forgiving to mistakes.
But Auto strains require set-ups that are known to work. If they are stressed in any way, recovering takes away from veg and ultimately flowering.

Remember with autos, Once they pop, their countdown to finished product has begun.

[WickedJack]

Oh wow ok I'll get on that little one !

Thanks :)

[WickedJack]

Just a after weekend update now that Im getting over my hangover..lol

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Anyone know why this little guys leaves are rounded instead of pointy..?
The 1st set are rounded the the 2 new ones coming in are normal..
Its a 60 day wonder the same as what I already have growing..
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[SmokeMyPiece]

Lookin Green! All new growth looks in good condition, id say ur well on ur way man :thumbsup:

They Might be the same strain but that one could be a different pheno... grow her out, lets see if theres a diff.

[WickedJack]

As you can see I havent gotten around to planting that baby in the bigger pot
I gotta wait until friday for more lights..
Having only the 1 cfl I have to keep them all the same height.

Im debating on what I should get, go with T5's keep it simple with no heat issues or go with a HID & worry about the heat..

My space is only going to be maybe 2x2' or 3x3' but I could very easily make a hole thru the wall & vent into the crawl space..

[Treez81]

I grow with a t5 and like it. But u have to keep it close so u still battle heat. My space is 4 x 2 and after putting in a 6inch exhaust fan m heat woes r over.

[LuckyThief86]

I'm a fan of my T5, but I plan to get a MH because I'm growing medicine for myself. The MH has a stronger discharge and can penetrate the canopy more effectively, meaning more buds further down the main stem on your Autoflowers. When your girls get closer to maturation, you will notice a thick main cola right at the top, and various other buds over the rest of the plant. The less trimming you do, the bushier it is, the more preflowers it will pop out. If you're growing just for personal recreational use, a T5 is alright. If you're a commercial grower or a medical grower, you'd probably want HID.

Just my two cents. I'm usually wrong though :D

[WickedJack]

K they are officially WEEDS..LOL

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And this tiny girl is "Destiny" a Nevilles Haze WOOT (no I didnt name it the chick Im giving her to did..lol)
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After putting that humidifier in there it stays @ a constant 55 & they seems to be loving it..! :thumbsup:

[WickedJack]

The T5 setup I want is a 4 bulb 2' hood their selling for about $130
Or I could go with a HID for about $200 + whatever I'll need for airflow
So Im not really sure what I should do..

I could get 2 sets of T5's And stand them on end on either side of the plants so they penetrate thru..?
Or 5 sets & make a complete enclosed light box..!! LOL

[Treez81]

I really think either way u r gonna need an exhaust fan for heat.

[WickedJack]

Yah I already have a fan that could handle the T5's but if I go MH or HPS I'd go for a self contained closed unit which I think would be hella lots compared to the one I already have..lol

[LuckyThief86]

They actually make grow set-ups like what you're describing, Jack. It's an enclosed box with lights all around the sides, and one on top. I was also thinking of getting another T5, to shine in from the sides like you said. Heat is definitely going to be a problem for you when you step up to the big lights, but I noticed the Hydro stores have these self-contained 250w units. If you plan to stick to just a couple autoflowers, I'm sure that would be adequate light without throwing off too much heat?

Glad to see some big true leaves on your chicks! What're their names?

[WickedJack]

Friday cant get here soon enough damn their growing fast & definitely need a bigger source of light

Names...hmmmmm how about Wendy4 <<==(a google must) Daisy Duke & Jesse lol Plus the little critter Destiny

Heres a good product if one doesnt have a carbon filter just place a couple 2-3 in your grow room & stink is gonzo..

Sun]Sun Glo Odour Absorber, Fresh Scent - Canadian Tire, Toronto, ON, Canada (http://toronto.flyerland.ca/products/canadian-tire-sun-glo-odour-absorber-fresh-scent-product-1310477) Glo Odour Absorber, Fresh Scent - Canadian Tire, Toronto, ON, Canada

If it can take the stink out of the kids hockey bag I figured it would help with the "good stink" as well..lol

[WickedJack]

Ok well I dunno one of my little ones has pistils already !?
Is this caused by the stress of my newbness..?
Figured I'd snap off some macro pics for yah'll & check it out..

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None on this one yet..
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[WickedJack]

Im thinkin I should switch to 24hr light cycle so they can at least get a bit bigger ??

How much longer can these guys go after these pistils pop out..?

Shit after lookin @ that bottom pic I think I see pistils on her too..

[LuckyThief86]

From what I've found, autoflowers usually show there sex around day 15. I have no idea why yours are so late?

[SmokeMyPiece]

Now, with autos, they have a 'X' amount of veg days that are imprinted in their growth pattern.

It has already gone through all of its vegging. It may seem early, but there was a good week or so of stalled growth; Some of these days may have been counted as vegging.

Keep the light schedule the same. You dont want any stress now that she's entered flowering.

On average, theres about 60 days of flowering, maybe a few less with autos.

Change nada, they look perfect :thumbsup:

[WickedJack]

They look good really ? Their only 4-5 inches tall and budding already lol
How do I get more height out of them ?

[WickedJack]

This is how tiny they are still lol

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[SmokeMyPiece]

They look good really ? Their only 4-5 inches tall and budding already lol
How do I get more height out of them ?

They'll get bigger in flower. Nothin like if they had some more vegging, but should be solid bud.
Maybe youll get some more height beforehand out of the second one.

[WickedJack]

New lights & bigger pots today I'll take pics when Im done settin everything up :thumbsup:

[WickedJack]

havent got the lights yet the shop dont open untill 10
but figured I'd show you the roots

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All them in their new pots Their not staying in the ghetto box I just have them in there to see if the pots would fit & they do :)

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[WickedJack]

K well the chick @ the shop was very helpful & gave me exactly what I needed so ditched the T5 idea & went to this MONSTER..lol :thumbsup:

I told her what I had what strain I was growing & she's like you could go with a 400W deal with all the heat etc or for $100 I could get this & the yields will be slightly less but not as bad as a T5 setup.. And throw very little heat I can touch the bulb while its on

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This is my 55W CFL beside it..

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[SmokeMyPiece]

Nice updates man. whats the grow box lookin like;dimensions?

[WickedJack]

Those are 3g pots so the box is prolly 3 feet tall by 20 inches deep by 24 inches wide...
I dont really like them in there & will be just putting them into the closet tomorrow
Even tho I have 120mm fans blowing on the plants it still gets too warm for my liking inside the box

As for now tho I just have the closet door open with a huge 16 inch fan blowing over the open top of the box but the light is so frkn bright I swear moonmen can see it thru my windows..lol

I wonder if putting this thing under a reflective hood on its side would give more downward light & keep it from lighting up the entire room..

[SmokeMyPiece]

Ok, thats what i meant, the new room's dimensions.

You wanna shoot for 5,000 lumens per sq. foot in flower / 3,000 L in Vegg.
That bulbs rated at 14,000 Lumens = just good enough for 3sq. ft. and less.
And yes, Get or make a reflector.

Are your fans pulling or pushing air in and out of the box? Looks like its just swirling hot air around in there. I also use computer fans, and im aircooling my HPS with em. Theyre good, just gotta get it close to air tight and the fans are very effective.

[WickedJack]

Oh that tiny fan I was just using to blow air on the stems a bit to strengthen them..Just above it is a 120mm fan that sucks the hot air out the top & a intake @ the bottom
Its pretty air tight when I put my hand over the intake you can hear the whole box suck inward..lol

But yah this morning I tookem outa the box & now their in a closet/area of a closet thats maybe 2x2 not even that
I'll check temps to see if it stays a bit cooler if it dont I'll put them back into the box and leave the top off to vent the hot air & keep the big fan blasting air on the bulb..

[WickedJack]

Here they are this morning a bit wilted from being replanted yesterday
Im definitely going to start them off in the bigger pots next time to keep all unnecessary stress down to a minimum.
Im going to build a full cabinet to fit 4 3 gallon pots to put inside the closet..

Thats my next project :thumbsup:

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[LuckyThief86]

That's pretty damn bright, man! About your wilting: your humidity might be a little high, too. Make sure to get mylar or that orca stuff around your box. Theres so much light being scattered and lost; try to gather it and bounce it to your girls.

I know your plants are pretty big, but in those three gallon pots they just look absolutely puny. I definitely might give this CFL beast you have a try..... use it to supplement what I've got. How's it working out for you so far? What's the heat like?

[WickedJack]

I love it, huge light with almost 0 heat
If you have an enclosed area its gonna heat up but when this thing is on I can hold the bulb in my hand.
Those plants ARE tiny..lol I'd say the one now is 6 inches and the other maybe 5 the other obviously is still tiny maybe 2 inches..
But their loving the light it is super fkn bright & they turn & curve to it big time so they obviously love/want it as well..

I'll take some pics later Im hung right the ass over & damn family want to do the maiden spring voyage on the boat today

Ugggghhhhh wish me luck...lol

I got into my Skull Vodka after going to UFC lastnight..lol

[WickedJack]

I gotta shoot some pics today you wouldn't believe the difference the bigger pots & this light has made..
They must have grown 2 inches in 2 days insane..!

I think Im going to switch to full strength nutes today give them a good shot of it..

[WickedJack]

Updates

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[LuckyThief86]

The only thing that concerns me is how small your plant is that's throwing out all those pistils. Those are the sites where the flowers are going to come in. Your plant should be much taller before those start coming in. Bushier, too.

[WickedJack]

Yah doesn't really bother me much it's my 1st grow ever and their alive and growing it can only get better from here :)

[WickedJack]

Update almost 1 month old

I'd have to look back in the thread to know how old the little ones are..lol

Why the brown tips..?

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Still throwin pistils I have them on 24hr light to speed up growth
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baby 60 day wonder & Nevilles Haze sure can tell its sativa slow ass grower..lol
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[WickedJack]

Should I mix up a batch of full nutes ? how often should I be giving it to the bigger ones & should I start the smaller one on 1/2 nutes..?
I use Supernatural Grow Terra,Super Boost and Bloom Terra.. thegrowlight.com/supernatural-brand-grow-terra-400g..html
I have givin them a shot of 1/2 strength Grow & Boost (not on the same day of course) but I only mixed up a liter of each to feed them & now I need to mix more..
Just wondering if what I have already given them is causing the tips to turn brown..?

[WickedJack]

I know this is a dumb question but how much water should I be giving each plant @ once..?
I mean when I water it barely looks like much & the 3g pots are prolly bone ass dry @ the bottom..

Their all drilled & no water ever comes out..

[CanGroIt]

I mean when I water it barely looks like much & the 3g pots are prolly bone ass dry @ the bottom..


Your plants are waaaaaaaaay too small for 3gal containers. You want nutes to be readily available to the rootzone. You don't want your roots to have to stretch and pull to find those nutes. You would have been better off in 1/2gal or 1gal containers at most for the current size. It's okay though, you're still learning....

CGI::::::

[WickedJack]

Well crap I was thinking the same thing but then was told to put the seedlings straight into the 3G pots.
So I figured they do fine "in the wild" as seedlings so 3G pots must be fine. Also thought less stress from always replanting them would be one reason as well.

Ok so I don't want to stress them anymore so I was told by a bud to water them in the tub let water soak right down and out the bottom of the pots once all water stops dripping then their fine for a good 5 days. Is this a good idea ?

[CanGroIt]

but how much water should I be giving each plant @ once..? . How much are you currently giving them?



Your bud is suggesting you drench your soil. While not a bad idea, you have to remember, and it's imperative to remember, that when you have a small plant in too much soil, the soil is going to retain moisture longer....

Keep this in mind for your next go - When starting your plants, you want them to grow a very tight root structure before it starts to bloom. You achieve this tight root structure with small containers. Party cup size containers work great for promoting a tight root structure.... The reason you want a small container is so that the roots don't have to stretch and search too far for nutes. You want most of the plants energy focused on foliage and flowers....

Hope this helps....

CGI::::::

[WickedJack]

I'm using 500ml water bottles and giving them about 1/2-3/4 each every 3 days pouring it right down beside the stem & they seem to be doing alright with just that much..Then every 3rd water they would get 1/2 nutes..Now that their bigger tho should I switch to full strength ? And when should I start with bloom nutes..?

This is harder then ancient Egyptian algebra.lol :stoned:

[WickedJack]

Dont laugh I know cant get any more ghetto then this but I just havent found the right cabinet yet so until then this is what they get..lol
I did put them back into the box yesterday, I was losing too much light being just in the closet..
I may just fab up my own homebrew cabinet to the dimensions/venting/lighting I want so I dont have to try & fab up something that may or may not work..

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[CanGroIt]

Then every 3rd water they would get 1/2 nutes..Now that their bigger tho should I switch to full strength ? And when should I start with bloom nutes..?

This is harder then ancient Egyptian algebra.lol :stoned:

Nutrient strength should vary depending on growth period. You want to build a tolerance within the plant. Generally speaking, you can build a tolerance by dividing your total number of projected days growing by 4 or even 5. For this example we'll use 4 - If your projected total days of growing are 60, you would give them 1/4 strength days 1-14----------- 1/2 strength for days 15-29------------ 3/4 strength for days 30-44---------- and full strength on days 45-60..... Of course you still want to flush at the end but this is a general method of building tolerance.....

One day you'll eventually know how to give different levels of macro and micro nutes and adjust accordingly......

Hope this helps....

CGI::::::

[WickedJack]

Ok so basically right now they'll be a month old this weekend (18th) I shouldn't just jump into 3/4 strength then hey,? or should I since I've already had them on 1/2 nutes..? Should I get a PPM meter..?
I guess this go round is trial & error the next I'll know precisely how long they take to mature & when & how they do everything.
So I gotta be more "involved" on this log so I can come back look @ dates etc to know what to expect..

I love this place..lol
Thanks Guys :)

[CanGroIt]

The 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, full strength general guide is just that, a general guide. If you give a higher nute amount and the plants do fine then log it, and remember it for next time....

CGI::::::

[WickedJack]

New growth pics :thumbsup:

G-O-M
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G-O-M baby growing like mad
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60 D-W this is the one that started flowering way early and has weird folding leaves too what is this a sign of..? :wtf:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3537.jpg

Peace :smokin:

[WickedJack]

Gave them a shot of boost yesterday check out the difference in the G-O-M

This is the same plant in the 1st pic in my last post..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0863.jpg

[WickedJack]

K normally I just turn the pots so the plants can get more light on all sides
but today I decided to pull one right out of the box & check it out..
This is a 3 gallon pot & the roots are right to the bottom !?
Should I have used 5 gallon pots instead..?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0865.jpg

[WickedJack]

DIY carbon filter

The wife was complaining about the smell so I took the DIY instructions & went with it
Mounted it on a variable speed 8" fan & just going to let it filter the room without venting..hope it works..lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0874.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0875.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0876.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0877.jpg

[WickedJack]

Works so well I cant even smell it in the room that the closet is in
Before you would walk into the basement with all doors closed & it would smack you in the face like Mike Tyson who just lost to a skunk..

[WickedJack]

This little one planted on 5/30 is about to outgrow the one thats budding that was planted on the 19th

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3546.jpg

[WickedJack]

Im still having troubles figuring out how much water to be giving them

Their both showing pistils now one is 10 inches the other is only 6 both in 3 gallon pots..
Ive only been giving them 500ml of water each every 2-3 days 1 water the next grow or boost nutes..
I'd prolly need at least 4 times that much to get runoff..?



Peace

[WickedJack]

37 days old today I know stunted as hell but whadya do..
at least the G-O-M is doing good with tons of bud locations

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3550.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3551.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3553.jpg

This is the other G-O-M I planted about a week & a half after the top 2
she's outgrown the 60 day wonder by a long shot already
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3552.jpg

Got them on full nutes so should be seeing some good grow outa the 2 but the 60 day just stopped growing wont budge..

[WickedJack]

Already planning my next grow Im sticking with these loopy bulbs but going to get another
I think Im just going to ditch the ghetto box repaint the closet & make something to reflect the light back off the door
I dont want any corners so I may rig up a round tube somehow

[Treez81]

I grow in pots that size and use 2/3 to 1 gal of water per pot. Basically when I feed I water them just till water starts to come out the bottom. When Im giving them just water I give them more so there is much more runoff. Kinda helps flush out the soil a little. Then once a month or so I flush them with two gallons of water per pot.

[WickedJack]

I grow in pots that size and use 2/3 to 1 gal of water per pot. Basically when I feed I water them just till water starts to come out the bottom. When Im giving them just water I give them more so there is much more runoff. Kinda helps flush out the soil a little. Then once a month or so I flush them with two gallons of water per pot.

holy crap even with such small plants ?

[Treez81]

Ur plants r not that small bro. Besides u can see the roots reaching the bottom of the pots. That is also another issue. U need to wrap tape or something around the pots to keep the light from penetrating to the roots. Use white tape to reflect the light and keep them cooler or set them inside other pots.

[WickedJack]

I have more pots I can plop them into
Thanks !

[SmokeMyPiece]

Comin along Jack!

Summer, Been offline a while gettin lit everyday :thumbsup: and I see your getting conflicting info again man..

These are AUTO FLOWERING
:::101::
-Starts life in final home.
-ZERO stress as possible. (ie: NO Transplanting)


Why the brown tips..?
Too much nutes: Back off 1/4 of what your using

Watering
Feed every other watering.
-When I do feed, I H20 until a little drains. Then feed with my feedmix about 1-2cups(or until it starts to drain again) ------( This evenly distributes/saves nutes)

Stay with the 1/2str feeding.
If tips brown, back down to 1/4th. Otherwise, do this till they start to go a lighter green than usual. Then go 3/4 nutes... etc.

Now once they start to pistil, go into your flower-feed-mix at 1/2str and so on.

-On a side note, Im stealing your Room carbon filter! I made one like that for my box, but the box sits in a room like you.. Make one for the outer room with a desk fan, nice.. Make sure its pulling the air thru Tho.

Rep++

[WickedJack]

Awesome thanks for the info so 3 gallon Pots are not too big ?
Man that carbon filter works like a hot damn it's unbelievable how well it works

I'm glad that newer one is doing so well it's outgrown the small flowering one by a few inches now
What should I feed the flowering one the bloom nutes ? 1/4~1/2 strength ?

[SmokeMyPiece]

Ya 3 gal is fine for autos. I know perpetual growers that use one gallon per AUTO in SOG style, but thats from experience and knowing exactly how his strain grows.

I always start 1/2str. When first vegging, then again when starting flowering, and see how she reacts.

Green Mojo

[WickedJack]

60 day wonder who smells like raspberries :thumbsup: :wtf:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3554.jpg

G-O-M same age as the 1st & is pistiling :thumbsup:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3555.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3557.jpg

The baby G-O-M I sprouted about 1.5 weeks after these 2 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3556.jpg

[WickedJack]

Took'em out of the box to check'em over make sure noones hurt anywhere & to check the bud locations.. Sorry crappy iPhone pic..

Left to right

1:The 60 Day Wonder who went into flower too early
the main stem is one big fat cola or bud whatever you call it lol ;)
2:The Green-O-Matic planted 9 days after the 1st & 3rd. No Pistils yet
3: Green-O-Matic exact same age as #1 FULL of pistils :thumbsup:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0900.jpg

[WickedJack]

Theres quite a few buds that cant get much light should I trim some leaves..?

[four20twen]

Looking nice :)

[WickedJack]

Thanks yah I would have never imagined they would have been so full of buds considering I almost killed them as seedlings..lol

[four20twen]

Hah ya, i followed the pics/log, you put forth quite the effort i can't wait until harvest. I don't know if you want to trim leaves at this stage causin unnecessary stress, maybe try tucking the larger leaves to allow more light to reach the buds

[WickedJack]

Ok thanks I'll give that a try gonna be hard tho with the fans blowing them around..Guess I could tie them down..

Anyway does anyone have a good tutorial on how & when to harvest...Maybe a video or something with pics so I can watch how its done..

Peace. :)

[WickedJack]

Closeup of the sticky 60 day wonder..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/closeup2.jpg

[WickedJack]

Hahaha do you see what I see :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3560.jpg

[WickedJack]

It seems the 60 day wonder has totally stopped taking in water does this mean she's almost done flowering..?

Should I flush her now ?

[WickedJack]

Just a update took them outs the ghetto box & into the corner of the closet..
The G-O-M I planted about a week after has officially outgrew the older one :thumbsup:

The 60 DW is puttin on a bit of height
Still need to build a reflector to hang the light horizontal but Im going to be getting another
so will just wait until my next go round to get everything done

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3567.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3580.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3582.jpg

[CanGroIt]

It seems the 60 day wonder has totally stopped taking in water does this mean she's almost done flowering..?

Should I flush her now ?

No....if the soil is retaining moisture longer, it's because their is not enough airflow/transpiration/lumens needed....

You posted a pic on June 28 of the three and said that the 60 DW in that photo has "one big fat cola or bud whatever you call it lol".... In that pic, all three don't look anywhere near maturity, maybe half way but that's just my opinion....follow the trichs and they will tell you when to harvest, effects in mind or course....

On a side note - Why wait until your next go around to make a reflector to hang your light horizontally??? Will make a huge difference in your yield even if you did it now.... Don't leave for tomorrow what can be done today, especially if it could mean the difference between 7-10 grams per plant.... Just trying to say that you are letting yourself down by waiting....

CGI::::::

[WickedJack]

No yah I thought she was done growing or something cause she just stopped suckin water..But all's good now back to normal..lol
Yah your right..I'll draw up some plans for a hood I'll have to make it cause I dont think they make hoods to hold these big bastard lights..lol
let alone 2 in 1 hood..

Im thinkin on getting a galvanized metal trash can cut down 1 side of it & bend it into a double arch
I'll post pics when Im done :D

[WickedJack]

I just noticed these little sacks when I was trimmin some leaves did she turn hermie on me..?
This is the younger one of the 2 G-O-M

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0944.jpg

Thanks

[CanGroIt]

You see the two little brown hairs coming out of that sack??? That let's you know you have a female plant....

If it were a male, little balls would come out of there....

CGI::::::

[WickedJack]

Feeoof ok thanks bud I was freakin there for a sec..lol

Woulda been a cool experience tho trying to pollinate for feminized seeds & all..

Thanks again
Peace

[WickedJack]

Is this nute burn or are the leaves turning this color due to it almost being ripe.?
I know the tips are nute burn but unsure of the entire leaf..
This is the little 60 DW

Peace

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3646.jpg

[jwmsalisbury]

Super nice grow! I have some autoflowering seeds coming in that I cant wait to start!

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I hope I have the same success it seems you are experiencing!

[WickedJack]

Thanks bud

Heres some pics of the G-O-M should have taken them with something to compare them to like beside a beer bottle cause the one cola is almost as long as a long neck..lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3647.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3644.jpg

[WickedJack]

Close up of the 60 DW trich's who should be done in around a week..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/closeuptrichs.jpg

[WickedJack]

Ok well I aint really into the whole couch lock body stone so I chopped the 60 DW down today
The trich's as you can see are already milky as can be it could have went another couple days but I want the "party" high

So Im in the middle of snippin her & this is what she looks like almost nekid..lol
Its 1 whole cola with 3 small branches frankenweed or what..lol
Its so tightly packed I cant spread the buds apart to get in to cut the smaller leaves off
but the leaves are packed with trich's anyway so their stayin..lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3658.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/IMG_0959.jpg

[WickedJack]

Snipped & clipped I got 35g off that bud have yet to partake in a sample yet
But when I was done I chewed the sticky off my fingers my tongue & lips are still numb..lol

[WickedJack]

This one is 2 months old & still looks like it needs a good 2 weeks..??

should I be trimmin any of the bigger leaves off ?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3703.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3704.jpg

This one is a week younger & looks like its got 3 or more weeks to go..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3706.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3705.jpg

[SmokeMyPiece]

Looks good man. Dont worry about the amount of days so much, but more like a guideline. Dont change any nute schedule, they put on their most weight in the last few weeks. You had a little stress here and there, so continue to go by the trichs. Dont cut any leaves, just tuck here n there, or use lst to make sure the tops get good light.
You could stagger your harvest; ie: branch one week, branch week later, etc..
Let some go completely red haired, get some amber trichs in there. Gotta love that nighttime knockout smoke:S5:

And go get a tallboy from the gas station. Down it. Cut into a reflector, There should be tutorials round here somewhere.

[WickedJack]

Took a bowl hit lastnight before bed & was layin there with a pretty good body stone body was all nice & numb warm & relaxed none of the usual back joint pain but my brain was fkn laughing its ass off I had to have been there for an hour 1/2 asleep with a big dorky smile on my face..lol I was layin there picturing myself laying there with a big stupid smile by myself in a king size bed just melted right in..lol

haha awesome

[EZG]

thats what its all about right there ,
good job bro :thumbsup:

[Treez81]

they make reflectors for those bulbs..I have one...got it from sunlight supply

[WickedJack]

they make reflectors for those bulbs..I have one...got it from sunlight supply

Yeah I finally went & got one today & some yoyo's

I dont really see a "huge" difference laying it horizontal VS vertical as for light scatter but I guess we'll see

[WickedJack]

One is a week past supposed harvest date

Let me know if you think their ripe or how much longer they shall go..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/anewbud.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3890.jpg


This one is @ its harvest date
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3892.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/Cidward/Potshit/DSCF3893.jpg