What is the availability of Meds in NM now?

[JohnMonad]

Are all of you able to get what you need in a timely manner?
Are you finding producers are out of stock most of the time?
In your opinion has the MCP here progressed in the last 8 or 9 months?
What changes would you like to see that will make it better for patients?

[SandiaBud]

Not getting meds in timely manner...still!! Most producers are out or place limits on orders. The program is in dire need of more producers. The program is in dire need of more staff etc. It is ridiculous if you ask me. The program has not progressed in the last several months. In fact, it seems to have come to a halt since the new gov took office. There is more confusion than clarity regarding program growth and development. The LNPP applicants have no idea if they have a chance of approval, or if any more will even be approved. The patients are having problems getting their meds in a timely and consistent manner.

[alfonso2002]

I live in Albuquerque and for the last 2-3- months have not had a problem getting meds anytime. I think that the DOH has done a good job approving producers to this point. But still DOH not up to speed with enough people to do all the work. You can not talk to any live person when you contact them.As for the producers I get an email almost daily that they have meds ready to sell. So I think there is going to be enough meds for the time being.If you can't find any meds now you are not looking. If you have not signed up with the producers that are out there do so almost all have meds.What I would like to see is the ability to "trade" or what not with other patients with ppls.

[SandiaBud]

There are simply NOT enough producers to meet the demand. Patients should not be required to register with ALL the producers just to be assured of obtaining meds consistently. Not only that, but ALL the producers carry different strains so if your favorite producer is out of the strain you desire, then what? The DOH has failed to approve producers in a fair consistent manner. There are multiple pending lawsuits and legal action against the DOH, challenging the practices and procedures currently being used to review the LNPP apps. Unless you happen to be a producer (or on the BOD of a producer) the DOH puts most everyone else on the back burner. They are EXPERTS at keeping all LNPP applicants in a cloud of confusion. Not knowing where they stand in the process is wrong. Stringing them along is wrong. I see alot of room for improvement in many areas. the most obvious is meeting the demand of the patients and this is NOT being accomplished. Sadly, a bunch of red tape and politics has been getting in the way of real progress and apparently there is no end in sight.....

[ManOBuds]

Although I see your point,it still beats NO medical cannabis program.

[CFO]

SandiaBud, it sounds like you are one of the plaintiffs in the current lawsuit. Whether or not that is so, the lawsuit is going to do nothing but slow down the licensure of any new producers. Some of the plaintiffs didn't even form their nonprofit corporation until September! NONE of the applications received have been denied and if they haven't been approved then their application is flawed and they need to amend the app as requested. There are also multiple producers in one part of the state and not enough applications are being received from the rest of the state. Most of the new producers are willing to take the time to help (for a fee) other applicants to help improve the applicant's submission. There are now 25 producers, but they have to have time to get setup and running. If there isn't enough medicine available, then why do so many producers continue to have excess? One northern NM producer's last email indicated a one OUNCE limit per patient! There are over 4,000 patients on the program now. There should be a shortage of medicine with that many patients vs LNPP, but there is not.

Look at joining each producer's organization as you would joining any other group. But the patient does NOT have to sign up with all of the producers. If one lives in Raton, he/she is not going to sign up with the LNPP in southern NM (unless that patient plans on risking the checkpoints and driving to the LNPP). It is advised that the patient register with more than one due to availability issues.

Keep in mind that NM is being left alone (pretty much) due to the restrictions in place. There are at least 3 patients on every board. This program is for the patients. Give it time to grow-up...the program is still in the infancy stage. It will get better given the chance. The best thing that could happen for the program at this point would be for the lawsuit to be dismissed so the staff at DOH could get back to the job at hand instead of having to redact thousands of pages of documents.

[SandiaBud]

CFO, I am NOT one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit. I simply share some of their frustration. I am not an advocate of lawsuits nor am I a big fan of lawyers. I am very aware that the lawsuit(s) will do little more than stir up emotions AND further delay the review process. I respectfully disagree with the comments regarding med availability. If there is such an excess, then why do producers limit order amounts? Why do some of the websites state "We now have medicine"....point is...they were recently out of meds etc etc...
The review and approval process is anything but transparent. Although there has been no formal denials, most, if not all LNPP applicants have no indication of where they stand, what their chances are of approval or even if the DOH plans on any more approvals at all. This is where the frustration lies amongst most LNPP applicants. Obviously and according to most of the licensed producers, there will NEVER be enough supply to meet the demand. And when the supply does not meet the demand, it is the PATIENTS who continue to lose. Yes the program is about patients, but the trickle down effect from not having enough producers gives the patients the "short end of the stick".

[SandiaBud]

ManOBuds-
Our program might have its flaws and shortcomings but it is much better than no program at all.
Have a great day!

[alfonso2002]

The DOH will not be approving any more producers till they see that there is indeed a shortage still after the producers that were approved in jan. are up and running at full speed. The DOH wants there to be enough meds to supply all the patients but dose not want there to be too big of a oversupply. that would cause more problems. If you are having problems getting meds and can grow your own that would be a better way to go.But it is not cheap or easy thing to do if you want medical quality.

[SandiaBud]

Will the DOH ever see there is shortage? I believe it is more political than anything else....I mean even Cisco McSorley said we need at least double the producers we have now....as I stated earlier, most if not all of the current LNPP's would agree.

I wonder why the DOH will not simply tell LNPP applicants that there will be no more approvals in the forseeable future or "until they indeed see a shortage"? It is frustrating at best.

[ManOBuds]

SandiaBud, it sounds like you are one of the plaintiffs in the current lawsuit. Whether or not that is so, the lawsuit is going to do nothing but slow down the licensure of any new producers. Some of the plaintiffs didn't even form their nonprofit corporation until September! NONE of the applications received have been denied and if they haven't been approved then their application is flawed and they need to amend the app as requested. There are also multiple producers in one part of the state and not enough applications are being received from the rest of the state. Most of the new producers are willing to take the time to help (for a fee) other applicants to help improve the applicant's submission. There are now 25 producers, but they have to have time to get setup and running. If there isn't enough medicine available, then why do so many producers continue to have excess? One northern NM producer's last email indicated a one OUNCE limit per patient! There are over 4,000 patients on the program now. There should be a shortage of medicine with that many patients vs LNPP, but there is not.

Look at joining each producer's organization as you would joining any other group. But the patient does NOT have to sign up with all of the producers. If one lives in Raton, he/she is not going to sign up with the LNPP in southern NM (unless that patient plans on risking the checkpoints and driving to the LNPP). It is advised that the patient register with more than one due to availability issues.

Keep in mind that NM is being left alone (pretty much) due to the restrictions in place. There are at least 3 patients on every board. This program is for the patients. Give it time to grow-up...the program is still in the infancy stage. It will get better given the chance. The best thing that could happen for the program at this point would be for the lawsuit to be dismissed so the staff at DOH could get back to the job at hand instead of having to redact thousands of pages of documents.

Agreed.Also,not ALL producer applicants DESERVE a license to Produce.One of the plantiffs in the suit grows moldy cannabis......

[alfonso2002]

I'm not sure what your motive is in saying that there is a shortage but I think that of the producers that are out there today in the next year one or two will be dropping out for what ever reason . I myself do not think that there is a need for 50+ producers. Now that they can have 150 plants there will have more than they can sell legally that is.Just a few more months for these new producers to get up to speed and then you can say that there is not enough meds. and I will tell you where to get what you want. I think even the delivery charges will be a thing of the past. The program is progressing as fast as it can with the limited people that are working in it.
come December when the producers have to pony up there dues the DOH will also be getting a cash flow and you will see a differance in the program.

[ManOBuds]

I completely agree with alfonso2002. The shortages will soon be a thing of the past. Most of you that know me,know I'm a pessimist......so this is unusual for me.

[SandiaBud]

I agree with most of what is being said here...the fundamental problem is that the DOH is not communicating these things to the producer applicants. As stated earlier, the DOH has not told the applicants that there will be no more approvals. In fact, when asked, they say its business as usual.
I have no "motive" for saying there is a shortage..just my experience. My experience is that there are producers out there that are limiting order amounts....why would a producer limiit order amounts if there is enough supply? Also keep in mind that the patient population is growing by the day so the MCP may need to revisit the "formula" by which they measure the supply vs. demand. Peace.

[alfonso2002]

Hi SandiaBud as you know DOH is working with a very limited work force so they do seem to not get back when they should .And business as usual IS very slow. And as far as the producers limiting the amount is because most have a large amounts of patients that are registered with them and they want to serve as many as possible. That's not meaning that there is a shortage. Like I said before just give it a few more months and they will not be limiting anything. They will not be able to sell all the meds they have. The good that I see coming from this is that there will be better meds than what we have had to settle for.

[CFO]

I agree with most of what is being said here...the fundamental problem is that the DOH is not communicating these things to the producer applicants. As stated earlier, the DOH has not told the applicants that there will be no more approvals. In fact, when asked, they say its business as usual.
I have no "motive" for saying there is a shortage..just my experience. My experience is that there are producers out there that are limiting order amounts....why would a producer limiit order amounts if there is enough supply? Also keep in mind that the patient population is growing by the day so the MCP may need to revisit the "formula" by which they measure the supply vs. demand. Peace.

How do you KNOW that the DOH is not communicating with the producer applicants? the DOH has not stated there won't be any more LNPP approved because they intend to license more. They just don't have the personnel or the time to do what they are supposed to be doing due to the lawsuit. They have a staff of three to perform the duties of 15.

Someone made a comment that one of the members of the lawsuit is growing moldy cannabis. If they haven't been approved, they shouldn't be growing (and also selling?). Unless, of course, that applicant has a personal production license. I guess that patient needs a little extra penicillin, but I'm allergic so wouldn't want that in my meds. Would you want a producer that provides contaminated meds approved?

Limitations are usually placed on the first release so that the producer can have a chance to provide medicine to all of their registered patients. Once all of the patients have had a chance to order, then the only limit is that of the DOH which for most patients is 6 ounces. Anyone purchasing more than 2 ounces per month is aware that they are being reported to the DOH. How many plants does it take to make 6 ounces? How many patients can afford to purchase that much? How many patients would be served if there weren't limits in place? How much of the medicine would be diverted/resold to recreational consumers? There is still opportunity for diversion with 2 ounces per month, let alone six!

When did McSorely make this comment that we needed double the producers we have now? And what makes him the authority? Yes, he is a vocal advocate of the program and is tight with many of the first six producers, but I would rather hear that he is supporting a move to have the current lawsuit dismissed more than anything else. Once the lawsuit is dismissed, the small staff would be able to get back to the job at hand.

[SandiaBud]

its kind of funny that I get more information about the MCP from sources other than the DOH. Im just sayin....

ps. I read somewhere that Sen McSorley believes we need double the producers we have now. I am not implying he is the authority, just wanted to pass that along. It appears to me that he sees the whole picture, has been a MCP advocate from its inception and recognizes the need for more.

I couldn't agree more that the lawsuit needs to go away so that Dominick and Co. can get back to the job at hand.

Lastly, lets just say I KNOW first hand that the communication between LNPP applicants and the DOH is limited at best with little to NO information being conveyed about any part of the program.

[ManOBuds]

There is no question that the program has issues to work out,but I think it is well designed to stand the test of time.

[SandiaBud]

Well said ManO...

[SandiaBud]

According to "Micah", who spoke at the public meeting yesterday, there are only a few of the 25 licensed producers who are growing medicine that is of high medicinal quality. Maybe some of these non profits do not deserve to be licensed. Yet there are no controls in place for testing of the cannabis.

It appears that all the opinions here are made with the assumption that all producers are turning out top notch quality meds. Clearly that is not the case. Apparently there are many issues regarding nutrients, mold and the like. However, with no monitoring or testing, these producers will continue to put out sub par medicine and get away with it.

[CFO]

According to "Micah", who spoke at the public meeting yesterday, there are only a few of the 25 licensed producers who are growing medicine that is of high medicinal quality. Maybe some of these non profits do not deserve to be licensed. Yet there are no controls in place for testing of the cannabis.

It appears that all the opinions here are made with the assumption that all producers are turning out top notch quality meds. Clearly that is not the case. Apparently there are many issues regarding nutrients, mold and the like. However, with no monitoring or testing, these producers will continue to put out sub par medicine and get away with it.
Actually, the patients will be the ones to determine quality. If the patient doesn't benefit from the medicine received, he/she will not go back to the producer. We are in the southern part of the state and have heard complaints about almost all of the producers. the first harvest from the local producer was a b-grade strain. This last harvest was awesome. There is a producer in Santa Fe (not NMcann) that has more medicine than registered patients. Check your list for the SF producers and contact them for availability.

Be patient and the producers should get back with you. I can only figure they don't because they don't have medicine and they don't have the resources to hire enough people to return phone calls promptly. And they don't want to tell the patient they don't have any.

So, if we have a surplus now, what would we have with more producers?

[alfonso2002]

Your right about"patients will be the ones to determine quality" And about the producers having product there is some very good medication out there right NOW And yes there are Producers that have put out a very poor product but they will not be around for long. We have the power to make them put out a good product.

[SandiaBud]

one point is that how can patients afford 300 dollar mistakes? Its not right that the patients must pay for bad medicine and act as program guinea pigs. Also, its not the producers that are failing to return phone calls and emails...its the DOH that is lacking communication to the LNPP applicants.

Will the bad producers be replaced with good ones? How many ripped off patients will it take before the DOH would take action against bad producers? Or will the bad producers simply drop out and fade away due to lack of business?

[CFO]

one point is that how can patients afford 300 dollar mistakes? Its not right that the patients must pay for bad medicine and act as program guinea pigs. Also, its not the producers that are failing to return phone calls and emails...its the DOH that is lacking communication to the LNPP applicants.

Will the bad producers be replaced with good ones? How many ripped off patients will it take before the DOH would take action against bad producers? Or will the bad producers simply drop out and fade away due to lack of business?

The patients shouldn't have to pay for contaminated medicine. If a producer is selling bad medicine word will get out and they will be out of business. As with all medicine, the producer can't be expected to take the medicine back or make a refund because the patient purchased the wrong strain. I don't know of many patients on limited income who are purchasing $300 of medicine at one time. Most are purchasing an eighth or a gram. That would be my recommendation...buy a small amount first. Of course any delivery fee would make a small amount really costly.

If a producer consistently offers bad medicine, they won't be able to pay the renewal fees in January so they will be out of business fairly quickly.

As far as the lawsuit, Mr. Kokesh incorporated in Septembeer or October so his app hadn't even been in the process for very long and don't forget all the revisions and hearings and holidays and furloughs going on at that time. Some of the other members of the suit are not in good standing with the PRC and will need to get in good standing before they can go any further. A site visit doesn't guarantee licensure with. The final decision lies with the Secretary of Health as we all know. So no matter how much pressure Dominick might try to use, when the apps go to the SoH, it's out of his hands. And if any of those pending applicants spent more than the $100 app fee and $25 incorporation fee, then they need their heads examined! Who in their right mind would spend money on a facility and equipment prior to licensure??? Those applicants that have been waiting since 2009 might want to contact one of the currently licensed producers for help in completing their app. Another thing that may apply is location. Do we really need more producers in SF or Alb before there are LNNPs in other parts of the state? Yes, I know, those two cities/counties have the greatest number of patients in the program, but there are parts of the state that are under served and priority needs to be placed on applicants located in the far reaches of the state. Every county that has patients should have a producer before any more are approved in SF or Alb. (IMHO)

I, for one, get so tired of the negative comments about the DOH. They have done a fantastic job with so little staff and funding. I expect to see great improvements come February 2012 after all the LNPPs submit their renewal fees. Those that can't won't be in business.

[alfonso2002]

I beg to differ with you on "Do we really need more producers in SF or Alb before there are LNNPs in other parts of the state? Yes, I know, those two cities/counties have the greatest number of patients in the program, but there are parts of the state that are under served and priority needs to be placed on applicants located in the far reaches of the state. Every county that has patients should have a producer before any more are approved in SF or Alb. (IMHO)" . Your right that there are areas in the state that are under served but I don't think that producers should be forced to a certain area. It is a big investment that has to be made to start a NP. The places that don't have that many patients can not support a producer in that area. Anyway you look at it the cost to get meds. to the patients has to be paid by someone so if you have a producer in the far NE. part of the state That producer will have to be able to supply people in the Abq. and SF areas to be able to make a go of it. And there you go delivery that far away would be expensive.And as far as the producers and the quality of there meds. goes that will sort it self out in the long run. You are right about that if you get some poor quality of meds. from a producer I myself would not even give them a second chance. Unless they were willing to make things right.

[SandiaBud]

I am of the mindset that the program, once properly funded and staffed, will become better and thrive. like alfonso says, it does need some changes and those changes will likely come in time.

[ManOBuds]

This is a more productive discussion.

[CFO]

There appears to be plenty of meeds available this month. Have received emails from SWOP, NewMexicann and Mother Earth. Pricing from $10 - $15 per gram. A grade strains. Continue to advise all patients to register with all of the producers.

Those that can do. Those that cannot, criticize.

[ManOBuds]

Aren't the state approved Producers supposed to be anonymous? I have received numerous emails from various ones also.

[alfonso2002]

Aren't the state approved Producers supposed to be anonymous? I have received numerous emails from various ones also.

There location is.

[CFO]

Aren't the state approved Producers supposed to be anonymous? I have received numerous emails from various ones also.

You should only receive emails from the producers you have signed-up with. If you are getting emails from producers that you have not contacted and you have a concern about receiving unauthorized emails, then you could contact the DOH and let them know. Only registered patients are supposed to receive the contact information for the producers. But there are on-line entities that are receiving the info somehow and have posted some of the producer's info. Unfair and detrimental to the producers if the cartel or the DEA were to get that info. Some of the producers may not have a problem putting that info out there but I know if I were producing I certainly wouldn't want my contact info out there.

[ManOBuds]

You should only receive emails from the producers you have signed-up with. If you are getting emails from producers that you have not contacted and you have a concern about receiving unauthorized emails, then you could contact the DOH and let them know. Only registered patients are supposed to receive the contact information for the producers. But there are on-line entities that are receiving the info somehow and have posted some of the producer's info. Unfair and detrimental to the producers if the cartel or the DEA were to get that info. Some of the producers may not have a problem putting that info out there but I know if I were producing I certainly wouldn't want my contact info out there.

No,I was just asking a question which was unrelated to my statement.

[ManOBuds]

xgrim,Please send me an email,my info is on my profile here.

[XgrimXreeferX]

you get my email manobuds? not sure which is your primary email add.

[Anonymouse]

Plenty of meds available in the RR/ABQ area. I don't order much but have placed a few orders lately because I took my garden down and redid it. I entered the program a little over a year ago, meds were very hard to get and not that great. I think it's improved 10 fold since then, very glad to be in the program and appreciate what the producers do.

However, I have found with just a year of experience growing that it's very easy to produce the amount of meds the state allows.

[alfonso2002]

Wise move there Anonymouse. Now if only we could get the DOH to adjust the max amounts of med we can have at one time then we could be self sufficient.

[ManOBuds]

you get my email manobuds? not sure which is your primary email add.

It's the Yahoo one.....

[XgrimXreeferX]

don't know if you got my email. but i posted my email on my profile. so you can hit me up on there if you didn't get my email.

[chance942]

Yo yo yo this program is not at all about helping anyone. It's all about the benjamins heard. "Legal producers" running 6 1000w hps indoor should be yielding 6lbs.There is plenty of fucking medicine. What laws really matter? Our pathetic "leaders??" lie cheat and fucking steal like no tomorrow. They care absolutely nothing about you or your reasons for smoking herb. Take your chemicals be a numb dumb ass sheep. Play along worker bee be free yeah to do what you're told. Fuck that. How does Blue Dream end up on sale in New fuckin Mexico at the same time the westcoast is bathing in it??? Come on think about this shit please. $40 an 1/8 plus tax is bullshit people. Be happy to have your smoke but don't be fooled into thinking there isn't enough to be selling o's for 220.

320x16=5120x6=30720+delivery=?

[JohnMonad]

C942 what a bunch of crap. You know nothing about the patients in the NM MCP. I see hundreds of them a week and they are real and hurting.
Chill your thoughts and be productive to help the program. Not knock it.

[alfonso2002]

Chance942 now come on If a producer is ONLY running 6 1000 watt lamps. they will not be around long. Now lets take a look at what it takes to grow medical MJ . First off you have to get approved by DOH not an easy thing to do. Then there is the renewal fees that are 10000 second year 20000 third year 30000 there after. Now that we are approved we have the costs that are involved with growing how DOH wants it organic. We'll need first a place to grow so check rent 2000-3000 a month now we have a place now we need to set up a way to grow so we'll need to do some building. Here is where you'll have to decide a few things so cost can range 3000-5000 and up now we have a place to grow our 150 plants. then we need to control the environment that they will grow in.
Oh shit the place did not come with refrigerated air so another 3000 to 10000 on the unit. Oh no more bad news the electrical panel is only 5000 amp so we'll have to come up with more cash 5000-7000. We'll need a little magic at this point to make our plants appear out of thin air .No no getting ahead of my self. We'll need a few lights at the min I think 64 thats hood, bulb and ballast's about 35000 then we'll need some fans to move that air 24 sounds good so lets say another 800. Ok looking good now we need some thing for our plants to grow in so we'll need some soil lets say another grand.I think I made my point so lets move on You so easily put down the producers but as you can see they do have to make a big investment in startup costs,labor and time.I too want my meds at the lowest cost possible But I dounderstandt that it costs quite a bit to grow. For the lucky ones that can grow there own and have a ppl all that I can say is grow your own.

[alfonso2002]

As for growing your own it is not an easy thing to grow medical grade.If you have never grown it will take a lot of learning and work to get that first harvest. If that grow is indoors it will take a good investment to be able to grow that grade. So overall dammed if you do dammed if you don't.

[alfonso2002]

Yo yo yo this program is not at all about helping anyone. It's all about the benjamins heard. "Legal producers" running 6 1000w hps indoor should be yielding 6lbs.There is plenty of fucking medicine. What laws really matter? Our pathetic "leaders??" lie cheat and fucking steal like no tomorrow. They care absolutely nothing about you or your reasons for smoking herb. Take your chemicals be a numb dumb ass sheep. Play along worker bee be free yeah to do what you're told. Fuck that. How does Blue Dream end up on sale in New fuckin Mexico at the same time the westcoast is bathing in it??? Come on think about this shit please. $40 an 1/8 plus tax is bullshit people. Be happy to have your smoke but don't be fooled into thinking there isn't enough to be selling o's for 220.

320x16=5120x6=30720+delivery=?

what would be the size of those 6lbs plants be?If you are growing indoors there is no way that you are getting that without vertical lighting.

[chance942]

It is nothing new Alphonso. Rosenthal, 4x4 box, etc

2 months old a 7lb plant is 6' tall and 5' wide

[alfonso2002]

[quote=chance942]It is nothing new Alphonso. Rosenthal, 4x4 box, etc

2 months old a 7lb plant is 6' tall and 5' wide[/QUOTE

Dam chance you are one hell of a grower if you can pull that off indoors.

[CannaHub]

What is the availability of Meds in NM now?

In Albuquerque this evening there are 23 varieties of medical cannabis from three different State licensed producers
1 Real Lemon - $49/8th High Desert Relief
2 Island Sweet Skunk - $45.50/8th High Desert Relief
3 Mystery - $10 gram SWOP
4 White Widow - $10 gram SWOP
5 Bubba Kush - $10 gram SWOP
6 BC Big Bud - $10 gram SWOP
7 Blue Widow - $12/gram Natural Rx
8 Hash Puck- $25 gram Minerva
9 Zozobra- $14 gram Minerva
10 Satori Sativa Blend- $14 gram Minerva
11 White Russin- $12 gram Minerva
12 Pineapple Express - $14 gram Natural Rx
13 Sour Chem - $14/gram Natural Rx
14 Master Kush - $18/gram Natural Rx
15 OG Kush - $18 gram Natural Rx
16 G13xHaze Ground Bud - $10 gram Minerva
17 Growers Delight - $11 gram Minerva
18 New Mexico Blue Sky - $13 gram Minerva
19 Las Cruces Pepper Boy - $15 gram Minerva
20 Tutti Frutti - $10 gram SWOP
21 Captain Z - $10 per gram SWOP
22 Lemon Sour Diesel - $10 per gram SWOP
23 Kush - $10 gram SWOP

:)278178
CannaHub

[patient4200]

gee...$18 a gram?..those must have been some expensive seeds there.

[CFO]

gee...$18 a gram?..those must have been some expensive seeds there.
Must have been a light harvest. Need to cover the costs? Or it's just that good? If some one has tried it, let us know
If it was worth the price.

[olliegrow]

your choice is clear, either pay out the ass for medz that might work and you will have to wait for it too....OR invest a small amount and grow your own for pennies on the dollar !!!!
$18 a gram is stupid, you can pay cheaper prices off the street and I know get better stuff, at least here in Albuquerque...OG Kush organic grown $300 ounce Abq streets !!!!

[alfonso2002]

just got newsletter from swop and they are selling one of there strains at $8.00 a gram. Now all we need is for the rest of the producers to jump on the band wagon. There are about 3800 patients in the program and it is growing. We have 25 producers at this time that can produce at a rate of 150 plants at any given time so supply should not be a problem. I know that swop was in the program almost from the beginning and also so realize that many of the new producers had to make some heavy investments and need to do some payback so the $8.00 a gram might be a little ahead of the rest. but kudos to swop on the pricing of that strain. Now all we need is to see if it is any good.

[olliegrow]

WOW thats a turn for the good on price, like he sais hope its good/worth the $8 a gram...what i think were missing here is QUALITY NOT QUANTITY !!
Its not hard to find bud here in NM weither it be shwag, mids, commercial from cali, or dank locally grown it needs to be top quality to qualify as medical quality !!!
And Ive seen it all, smoked just about anything local and out of 100 probably 5 were worth as shit or qualify as medical cannabis, so the choice is yours , GROW YOUR OWN or WAISTE YOUR MONEY !!!

[thatguyjrod]

In cruces it's pathetic! To see the growers grow grade b or even c grade, yet they call it grade a and charge the same! The grower here needs to pick up a high times mag or visit Cali to see what grade A is. I wont go back to them because of their unfair pricing for low bud quality. I'm on my first grow and my buds look better! They have their own monopoly it seems. Making an appointment a day ahead is rediculous and the environment you pick it up in makes me feel like I gotta cover my face up and run so I'm not seen. I'm really curious why the prices are so damn high. Supposedly the doh has nothing to do with pricing so the grower does? Then wtf? Why are they the same as black market? Care and compassion my ass! Give that compassion to the patients wallets! To me it shows lack of sympathy for their patients. I'm happy to have a medical cannabis program but the "monopoly" here in cruces is crap!

[trister]

As a NorCal patient who moved to Northern New Mexico two months ago, I was hoping for much better buds here in Taos. It's such an amazing place otherwise.

There is no purple here, and many folks don't even know what it is.

Is it worth going through the effort to get a card in NM?

Seriously, please advise.

Best,
Charles

[Nmnewbgrower]

Hi Charles, the program here is new and trying new approaches to medicinal marijuana. The producing isnt on the same planet as California's. The meds are very rarely as good either BUT you can find good meds just not as often as Cali. My advice get a card so you're legally covered in nm and why not grow your own if you get a ppl? Overall be patient with nm, again it's worlds apart from cali

[trister]

Thanks,

New Mexico is so amazing that I'm gonna to be patient.

For meds, I'm just used to going to harborside in oakland. So i've been spoiled. I'm not getting cbd counts at the park.

Thanks for your response and advice,
Charles

[CFO]

In cruces it's pathetic! To see the growers grow grade b or even c grade, yet they call it grade a and charge the same! The grower here needs to pick up a high times mag or visit Cali to see what grade A is. I wont go back to them because of their unfair pricing for low bud quality. I'm on my first grow and my buds look better! They have their own monopoly it seems. Making an appointment a day ahead is rediculous and the environment you pick it up in makes me feel like I gotta cover my face up and run so I'm not seen. I'm really curious why the prices are so damn high. Supposedly the doh has nothing to do with pricing so the grower does? Then wtf? Why are they the same as black market? Care and compassion my ass! Give that compassion to the patients wallets! To me it shows lack of sympathy for their patients. I'm happy to have a medical cannabis program but the "monopoly" here in cruces is crap!

I suppose I am replying to this guy's posts knowing he cannot spew more incorrect information and to correct his malicious information. For new patients that read this forum, please understand that ALL of the producers have more rules and regs to follow than the individual patients. Growing 150 plants costs MUCH more than growing 4-16 plants. Also, the LNPPs have huge fees to pay December 1st. So they must price their meds based on the costs per harvest, PLUS allocate that $20,000 fee coming up, and the per gram price in Las Cruces includes 7.5625% sales tax. So the per gram price is actually $13.95. I have received meds from Mother Earth many times. And although some strains are better than others, I have yet to see anything similar to Mexican Brick. (Which, btw, is only $50/ounce down here.)

I suppose, the best thing I can offer regarding Mother Earth, is to purchase 1 gram of each strain available and decide for yourself. And order as soon as the emails go out...don't wait or all the best buds will be gone.

[CFO]

Making an appointment a day ahead is rediculous and the environment you pick it up in makes me feel like I gotta cover my face up and run so I'm not seen.
I like the fact that I can have safe access to my meds in a safe environment. I understand ordering the day ahead is for safety reasons. They are not a 'dispensary' they are a producer. Their procedures are in place to create a safe environment for everyone involved. They only bring to the office the herb that is pre-ordered. It is too bad this guy is banned because I would ask why he feels the need to cover his face and run? Everyone in the office is nice to deal with and it is a nice location. This guy obviously doesn't understand the risks involved with this business and the fact that the Cruces producer is so close to Juarez. I wish him luck with growing his own meds, because knowing the people at Mother Earth...they will figure out who he is and he will be banned from future purchases.

All of the producers have the right to refuse service to any person at any time for any reason.

[Nmnewbgrower]

Such a rediculous response from a LNPP. I read his comments, though rudely phrased all he basically said was you, mother earth, has bud thats over priced at times, apparently not always grade a.The only strain he mentioned was Maui waui, and his comment was on its look only. I never read where he said it was all bad. That's horrible business practice in my view especially when dealing with product that does vary no matter how good quality control is. His description was harsh but it seems he felt slighted. Then again reading your comments it's easily seen you're here promoting your product/company. A stupid situation it seems that cost you a patient and he a provider. Well none of my business, just giving an outside view.

[CFO]

New meds are available on a regular basis in Las Cruces these days. Advise patients place their orders as soon as they receive their email. They currently have AK47, Headband, Pineapple Express and Humbolt.

[CFO]

Thought I would revisit this subject. This forum has been pretty quiet of late. Post your experience regarding supply. DOH needs to know if we need more producers. Are you getting meds when you need them?

[alfonso2002]

Well for a time as the producers got better at growing quality meds it seemed there were enough meds but now it looks like we are back to where we were about a year ago.There is going to be shortages again. The program keeps growing but the plant limits are still the same.The producers are just about at there limit as to how much they can produce so something is going to have to be done.More producers OR more plant count.We as patients in the program have to contact DOH and let them know we can not get the meds that we need.It would be nice to be able to get what we want and not just what is available.

[XgrimXreeferX]

Imo there needs to be more producers. Were already two producers short of what we had last year plus all the new patients that have been enrolled. Idk how the doh doesnt think we need more producers. Just the fact alone that some people have to orderonly once a month from a select few producers just so they can have there medicine delivered to bfe. Not everyone can afford the trip to ruidoso or alb evry time they need medicine. Especially if they can only normally buy an 8th or a 1/4 at a time. Not too mention its hard as shit trying to get clones cause all the producers have to work around there plant count. Yeah a higher plant count would help for something like clones for a little while. But give them a higher plant count and soon enough they'll be at max limit again and asking for more. Now if they would licnse another twenty producers i think that would help keep the ball rolling smoothly for a while.more local mom and pop shops would help more for the patients needs. Like i said. In my opinion. But to answer your question. Still just as hard for me to get meds as it was two years ago. Unless i make that trip up north. And even they are usually sold out of everything exceptone or two strains.

[CFO]

Hey Grim. Where are you located? You mentioned driving to Albuquerque or Ruidoso. Have you tried Las Cruces? Also, R Greenleaf offers a delivery person to most all of the state and he will pickup from other producers if the patient gives permission. Their delivery charge is only $10...TOTAL! You can order from several producers (except Las Cruces) and he will pick up and bring it to your door. Check your list of producers and contact RG for more information.

[XgrimXreeferX]

Thanks i'll try greenleaf. Ive tried calling them before but never get an answer. I live in hobbs but seems almost impossible to get someone down here. I barely foundout last month that r greenleaf is delivering to lovington. Which is a good thirty mile drive from my house. But for ten bucks guess i cant complain. Most places always wanted to charge me fourty bucks to meet in roswell. Which is over two hour drive one way for me. I'd love to check out meh but because of the checkpoints i dont think i'll ever go through them. Just not something i want to risk. Although if im ever in LC atleasti know where to get my meds while im there..

[alfonso2002]

Here we go again "Yes, all the producers have the right to refuse to sell medicine to sick and disabled patients. Just wanted to make sure everyone who reads this is clear on your meaning, CFO." I am not an employee for a producer but do have insight about a few of them and have seen how some people act when it comes to dispensary's. It comes down to respect give the respect you want to receive. The employees at these places are just that. They are there to help patients not turn them away. " If anyone wonders why your medicine costs so much, or why availability is never certain, or why quality is always questionable, then look no further than the group in charge of "self-regulating" the medical cannabis program." Again DOH makes the rules the producers follow them. Yes the program is flawed in a few ways but I think the state has done a descent job. They are treading new waters and are going a little slow in response to what the program needs are." It appears to me that the producers have totally forgotten the purpose of this program. Or maybe they've forgotten the financial constraints of the majority of patients in the program. Or maybe one or two producers are giving all the rest a bad name. Who really knows? Hush, now, it's all a secret -- it's not for mere mortals to understand why the program is so dysfunctional. No, only the ones making all the money have the inside scoop. Only... the ones making all the money are the ones making all the rules. It's no wonder the program is so out of balance." This is a new industry and as that there are all kinds of things that no one knows a thing about. DOH is the one making the rules so they are the ones you should be contacting with your concerns if they don't have an answer then no one dose.