I wouldn't want to be a dispensary or Co-Op with over 100 plants right now...

[david98686]

This afternoon Steve Elliott wrote on Toke of The Town:
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/03...nationwide.php

​The Haag Memo clarifies the Ogden Memo, which was written by former Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden on October 19, 2009 for the Department of Justice.

The Ogden Memo seemed to indicate that the new Obama Administration would restrict federal prosecution of medical marijuana providers in states where medicinal cannabis is legal.

This was heralded by many as giving the green light to pursue medical marijuana businesses, as long as they complied with state laws.

According to CTI, the Haag Memo clears up that misconception with some very unambiguous statements.

"The memo says clearly that the feds will not look the other way on medical marijuana," CTI said in a press release. "The 'Haag Memo' states very clearly that the feds will continue to investigate, arrest and prosecute medical marijuana dispensaries in every state 'regardless of state laws.' "

In addition, the memo calls the prosecution of medical marijuana dispensaries a "core priority" for the feds.

Medical marijuana commercial activity is still considered by the DOJ to be "a violation of federal law regardless of state laws permitting such activities," according to the memo, CTI said.

The memo may be the cause of the recent increase in federal raids and medical marijuana dispensaries, according to CTI. Only four days after the Haag Memo was issued, the DEA raided four dispensaries in California. Just this week, the DEA raided more dispensaries in California and Montana. Agents seized the assets and bank accounts of several dispensaries.

"Maybe this will wake people up who think that it can't happen here," said Kathleen Chippi of the Colorado-based Patient and Caregiver Rights Litigation Project, which is trying to raise money to file lawsuits to uphold the constitutional right of Coloradans to cannabis medicine.

Many legal observers agree that Colorado has the best chance of fighting the feds in court because it is the only state whose medical marijuana law is actually in the state Constitution.

[david98686]

The working link to Toke of The Town and the above story by
By Steve Elliott ~alapoet~ is: Feds Threaten Marijuana Dispensaries Nationwide - Toke of the Town (http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/03/feds_threaten_marijuana_dispensaries_nationwide.ph p)

[ionmagic]

geeze! here we go again! ..

Conviction in WA marijuana dispensary case

A Spokane jury has decided that Washington's medical marijuana law should not be interpreted to allow for commercial dispensaries. Jurors on Thursday convicted a man who co-owned one of the city's first marijuana dispensaries of multiple drug trafficking charges.
The Associated Press

SPOKANE, Wash. â?? A Spokane jury has decided that Washington's medical marijuana law should not be interpreted to allow for commercial dispensaries. Jurors on Thursday convicted a man who co-owned one of the city's first marijuana dispensaries of multiple drug trafficking charges.
Local News | Conviction in WA marijuana dispensary case | Seattle Times Newspaper (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014528817_apwamarijuanadispensary.html)



More details in the Spokesman Review: Medical post dispenser convicted - Spokesman.com - March 18, 2011 (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/mar/18/medical-post-dispenser-convicted/)


"...clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAIsqvTh7g

Stealers Wheel
Stuck in the Middle With You


Well I don't know why I came here tonight,
I got the feeling that something ain't right,
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair,
And I'm wondering how I'll get down the stairs,
Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you.

Yes I'm stuck in the middle with you,
And I'm wondering what it is I should do,
It's so hard to keep this smile from my face,
Losing control, yeah, I'm all over the place,
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

Well you started out with nothing,
And you're proud that you're a self made man,
And your friends, they all come crawlin,
Slap you on the back and say,
Please.... Please.....

Trying to make some sense of it all,
But I can see that it makes no sense at all,
Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor,
'Cause I don't think that I can take anymore
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

Well you started out with nothing,
And you're proud that you're a self made man,
And your friends, they all come crawlin,
Slap you on the back and say,
Please.... Please.....

Well I don't know why I came here tonight,
I got the feeling that something ain't right,
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair,
And I'm wondering how I'll get down the stairs,
Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you,
Yes I'm stuck in the middle with you,
Stuck in the middle with you.



FREE the plant! Please!
love,
ion

[hiamps]

So this is the change everyone voted for...Amazing how much Obama is like Bush...Both spineless.....

[killerweed420]

Just another Obama lie. He's yet to keep a single promise he made while running for election.
We need to get back to the push for 10th Amendment rights and we also need to start pushing the jury nullification agenda harder.
This is also why I push for more people to join the Libertarian party. They believe in the constitution and particularly the bill of rights. Libertarians are against the drug war and America Imperialism. If we stuck to the constitution we wouldn't be having these issues.

[KarolinaKronic]

I totally support shutting down the big business of dispensaries. I hope they learn a lesson about sharing the wealth while they are in jail. Paying 5 bucks a gram is a crime!

[hiamps]

I totally support shutting down the big business of dispensaries. I hope they learn a lesson about sharing the wealth while they are in jail. Paying 5 bucks a gram is a crime!

Never mind

[killerweed420]

I totally support shutting down the big business of dispensaries. I hope they learn a lesson about sharing the wealth while they are in jail. Paying 5 bucks a gram is a crime!

$5 a gram is a good price. If you want a better price grow your own.I don't see big pharma giving away any free drugs.

[Lemonhoko]

$5 a gram is a good price. If you want a better price grow your own.I don't see big pharma giving away any free drugs.



I think he means that the local dispensaries are paying local farmers 5 bucks per gram for overage.

I know first hand that they are not paying much at all. Im sure most of the dispensaries are buying meds brought across the border either from Oregon or Cali.
If I were running a dispensary, I would be more in fear that the feds have been tracking all these transactions and about to pull the plug on their game.

The law and intent in this state, as I beleve they were intended, were for State patients helping state patients.

Its obviously not happening when it cost just about 5 bucks a gram to grow indoor of top quality shelf meds.
Its alot cheaper to grow outdoors, but we unluckily do not have the right climate to produce dank meds outdoors in this state unless you use green houses.


So if you see dispensaries offering 8-10 buck grams, the math in itself tells you this was not locallly grown product.

Ifr I were a dispensary right now, I would double check your sources for your supply.
You can get busted just the same as buying from a fed as selling to one.

If you are a patient and visit these dispensaries with cheap meds....ask yourself how this is possible with the cost of indoors, electricty, food, lights, etc...

My gut feeling tells me the feds are just looking for an excuse to close all this down...and the dispensaries and the way they are pure profit motivated will hurt this section of our population when they all get in trouble, taking some growers down with them.

If you do not believe me...invest thousands into growing your own and all the hard work to make sure your meds are clean and good to only be offered 190 per ounce of overage. Hell,. I will burn it at that price in my fireplace....just for principle.


The sooner the dispensaries are controled the better...!!!!

[Lemonhoko]

One more note...

With a 15 plant limit, it is not possible to grow and value your product at the prices the dispensaries are selling their product for.
So whether they are buying from Oregon or Cali, or buying from illegal grows, such as warehouse grows, its all illegal and Im sure the feds are watching very carefully.

[hiamps]

Guess mass production by commercial growers is what everyone wants....Patients complain that prices are too high and growers complain that they can't make enough money. If they would let me grow without fear I would gladly supply a dispensary for $150 oz.....But as it is I will wait and watch....

[Lemonhoko]

About costs....

From personal experience only.

3 bedroom house= 1000-1200 dollars per month.(one room for veg, flower, and to sleep in.)
electric cost per month = aprox 300-400 per month average.
Plant food, bulbs, soil, pest control etc....= about 2000 dollars annually.


15 plant limit per person = 5-7 in flower, 5-8 veg and clones.
1 plant with 3 week veg time average strain in one gallon container with average yield = 2 ounces per plant, after +8 weeks of flower time.
Total time to produce the top average of 14 ounces in 12 weeks per season.
That equals a touch over an ounce per week.
If your operating cost are above the cost of making the meds, How is it possible to value even low quality overage for anything less than 250 per ounce????
And at that cost, you barely break even on costs.

As you can see , this is just an average set up, nothing special. But with the plant limits installed by our law, there is no possible way someone can grow their own meds and even break even with cost if they were to sell their overage to dispensaries at the cost represented.

Either the dispensaries start playing fair, or the whole game will end. Its VERY obvious whats going on.....


~Lem

[david98686]

Hey Lemon, you are right, they will gladly take what you have worked for on consignment at half it's value,
the farmer has a history of getting the short end, lucky if you have any extra for yourself after costs and the middleman. :(

Edit: I've heard dispensaries in Oregon are only offering $150 to growers...

[hiamps]

I find it funny that people want lower than cost prices...I doubt I would add all the rent as most just make do with a part of their house they already pay for. Our electric is only .07 per kilowatt so for 18 hours at 2000 watts it would cost me about $75 per month....All I was saying is the grower takes less or the patient pays more, no matter how you do the math. It is kind of obvious to everyone that a dispensary can't stay stocked from the leftovers of patients....

[Lemonhoko]

I find it funny that people want lower than cost prices...I doubt I would add all the rent as most just make do with a part of their house they already pay for. Our electric is only .07 per kilowatt so for 18 hours at 2000 watts it would cost me about $75 per month....All I was saying is the grower takes less or the patient pays more, no matter how you do the math. It is kind of obvious to everyone that a dispensary can't stay stocked from the leftovers of patients....



I burn 9k watts +, thats just the lights.

[killerweed420]

I thought that everybody wanted the prices to come down? If the intiative passes weed will be widely available for $100 an ounce. If you want high prices then call your legislature and tell them you want them to pass there bill. That will guarantee prices stay high.

[hiamps]

I burn 9k watts +, thats just the lights.

Ouch! And I bet your power company is way higher than mine. I just use 2 and tracks and my little bit still seems better than most dispensary smoke. About to start treatment for skin cancer, will need it.

[Lemonhoko]

Ouch! And I bet your power company is way higher than mine. I just use 2 and tracks and my little bit still seems better than most dispensary smoke. About to start treatment for skin cancer, will need it.



Sorry if off topic. ...

Skin cancer is serious....have you considered the Rick Simpson thing?

Let me know if I can help in any way....


~Lem

[hiamps]

Sorry if off topic. ...

Skin cancer is serious....have you considered the Rick Simpson thing?

Let me know if I can help in any way....


~Lem

It will mostly be up to the VA...kind of wait and see....will search Rick Simpson. Thanks...

[ionmagic]

hi, fellas! i love you guys....especially you, lovely LEMON! ..... hiamps!~ have you tried medicated skin oil for your skin cancer? ...like olive oil, or calendula oil, or almond oil....only medicated.....a sweet oil, and you just medicate it as much as you can handle, and then slather it on....everywhere, all over....as much as you can make your skin drink....sit in a pail of it......over and over and over and over....keep doing it, slathering it on....rub yourself all over, every square inch....soon, you skin will be "satisfied" and you will see what THEY call skin cancers is simply cannabinoid-deficiency (even if provoked by damage.)

I had skin cancer...the basal cell sort, not the malignanat melanoma kind; and also all kinds of raggity ass nasties from decades of damage and skin malnourishment (no cannabinoids). I oiled all over my skin/...every slick inch of it, time and time and time again, until it just couldn't suck up another drizzle...i musts been 10 hours rubbing my skin with warm sweet oil, then got loaded and went to bed. and ...poof!...cancer gone, and no sign of it returning since; t's been over a year.) I used a quart of oil every month or two, now, and less and less all the time. Your skin is your largest organ...and it can suck up the cannabinoids. Let it.

I've ALSO seen a video where someone applied a DIFFERENT KIND OF cannabis OIL...the oil extracted FROM cannabis (vs. oil infused with cannabis)...it is thick and sticky... "rick simpson=type oil" .,,,,the vid showed the malignant skin cancer thing just friggin failing.... giving up the ghost and and just falling away.... in days.

gotta run, no battery bank, so slim time online....but, i'll be back!
love you, love you, love you,
ion

awww...now i'm all worried AND pissed (about all this dispensary "get rich quick" scheming, price setting, quality coniving, and deceptive market "standard setting" [convincing patients that overbreasted hydro indica "meds" can do anything but get 'em shitf"ed and stoned..... till the next time you need some meds (easy delivery.)

I KNOW they don't think they're doing the same thing as every other profiteering greed monger in US history, has done, but, they are.

what are we going to do?


if you'd like me to make you oil, h, i will.

i'm so happy to find this conversation! ...i ventured into the dispensary marketplace and danced around awhile and,...ouch! lots of cali weed .and NO...zero.... MARKET FOR LOCAL, ORGANIC, OUTDOOR.....and get this, here's why: because the patients don't want it. wtf? best price on the market for 600gr (and only as a consolation for being such a wonderful personality) was $1/gr fuck that shit. I'll smoke it myself...geeze, i just wanted to HELP share the load!

so....i gave a good chunk of it to two very grateful patients i trust.

we're going to have to do "local growers" the way the local "farmers" (as in fruit and veg) are doing it: if you didn't grow it here, you can't market it here; otherwise CALI will suck us all dry. friggin selfish moneychangers.


I don't see big pharma giving away any free drugs. ...hmmm...i see it all the time...first they give you the scare, then the prescription, then the samples, then.....they friggin ruin another country or two, and laugh at the zombies.
VIDEO: Wayseer Manifesto (http://wayseermanifesto.com/)

[hiamps]

Thank you Ionmagic, I would like to try oil. I think I need to look at everything I do...Seems to be getting worse and I missed an appointment so am starting over. They cut a couple off and now need to do tests on others. Seems to be getting worse daily. I added you as a friend so hopefully I can IM you, still haven't figured that out....I can probably make oil with some directions...

[VapedG13]

I totally support shutting down the big business of dispensaries. I hope they learn a lesson about sharing the wealth while they are in jail. Paying 5 bucks a gram is a crime!

Thats what it cost me to grow my own 5 a g....paying 15 a gram for top shelf is a crime:rasta:

Buy low sell high....thats how businesses run...dont like it grow your own..put the stores out of business:thumbsup:

[david98686]

we're going to have to do "local growers" the way the local "farmers" (as in fruit and veg) are doing it: if you didn't grow it here, you can't market it here; otherwise CALI will suck us all dry. friggin selfish moneychangers.

Local farmers helping their own communities.. :)

[david98686]

if there were 1000 little co-operatives with there own produce to share why would you need dispensaries anyway? ;)

[omnibuddy]

Growing for personal is the best. Then you know it is quality and has no mildew, chemicals, bugs, etc...

Also it seems to be a lot cheaper than getting MMJ top shelf. With taxes around here, an ounce can go for $360-$380 for top grade.

Just like tobacco, they are trying to tax it out of the community. At this rate people might not be able to afford MMJ and buy illegally on the streets for $100+ savings on their medicine...

Personally, I am growing so I don't have to break the law.

<sigh> Bunch of stoopid politicians around here taxing the financial balance to favor illegal growing; including organized crime?

[david98686]

Growing for personal is the best. Then you know it is quality and has no mildew, chemicals, bugs, etc...

Apparently there truly aren't that many patients who can provide for themselves though, for many reasons. I've never been to a dispensary myself..

[Lemonhoko]

Apparently there truly aren't that many patients who can provide for themselves though, for many reasons. I've never been to a dispensary myself..



Count your blessings David.
When dispensaries first started in Tacoma, I was all for it. I really believed their hype about supplying needy patients with local quality meds.
What kind of creature that started back then, is nothing like the monster we see now in the dispensaries.

From personal experience....just about a week ago, I got a call inviting me to drop by since I hadnt been around for a while.
They told me they missed my top shelf meds.
So I paid them a visit with a couple of ounces thinking that they would donate the usual amount.
They know that I needed 250 to cover my costs and time.
After going upstairs and dropping my quality meds on their table, I watched as the owners dived in with glee and claiming it was all for them and they were not going to sell any to patients.
I was blown away by that comment, but it was just the first thing to amaze me that night.
After smoking some of my stash with them, they continued to fill bowls out of the ounces I just dropped off.
So I figured they decided to take my meds.
This is where it gets interesting. They offered me 200 bucks knowing that I would never take that.But since they had already dipped their paws into the product, I figured it was bought and a price just had to be agreed on.
Well, as they walked me downstairs, I thought they were going for the cash, but instead they showed me the door.
As I stood in their doorway, I was told that I would be paid in a couple of days and the price was the one they had decided on without no choice from me. I couldnt get my meds back since I was now outside, so I went home hoping for the best.
Its now going on two weeks now and not even a call.

Before I go further, to add insult to injury, as I was sharing a bowl with the two owners upstairs earlier, they were much too happy to show me a pound of out door Oregon they had just picked up for 1600 bucks. It was keifed and they knew it but they were just happy with their profit margin is all I could get out of the conversation.

I feel the local farmers in this state need to start some sort of union, or atleast some sort of protection should be abided to us by the state before situations like these get out of hand.
If I wasnt as level headed as I am and know that pot is not worth bodily harm, it could have gotten ugly...as Im sure it will in the future someday when they do this to the wrong hot head....


If I do not get paid very soon, I am going to publicly release names and situations to the public and others that need to know.

I dont believe the states intent is to create unlawful and unfair business exchanges between parties.
Courts could get messy........and so can the streets.



~Lem

[david98686]

Lem, I know you were interested in the Farmers Markets, hopefully Medical Marijuana will survive the current legal changes and give patients a choice.
Available space, booth rental costs, favoritism, private ownership of 'Farmer's Markets', I see problems there too.
I'd be be more supportive of the Tacoma one if it weren't privately owned, didn't advertise so much, and didn't
(just my opinion, post it's member list publicly).

[david98686]

Oh, my other personal gripe with current farmers markets is the membership itself..
You rent a booth, where is the need to 'join' anything?..;)

[killerweed420]

Count your blessings David.
When dispensaries first started in Tacoma, I was all for it. I really believed their hype about supplying needy patients with local quality meds.
What kind of creature that started back then, is nothing like the monster we see now in the dispensaries.

From personal experience....just about a week ago, I got a call inviting me to drop by since I hadnt been around for a while.
They told me they missed my top shelf meds.
So I paid them a visit with a couple of ounces thinking that they would donate the usual amount.
They know that I needed 250 to cover my costs and time.
After going upstairs and dropping my quality meds on their table, I watched as the owners dived in with glee and claiming it was all for them and they were not going to sell any to patients.
I was blown away by that comment, but it was just the first thing to amaze me that night.
After smoking some of my stash with them, they continued to fill bowls out of the ounces I just dropped off.
So I figured they decided to take my meds.
This is where it gets interesting. They offered me 200 bucks knowing that I would never take that.But since they had already dipped their paws into the product, I figured it was bought and a price just had to be agreed on.
Well, as they walked me downstairs, I thought they were going for the cash, but instead they showed me the door.
As I stood in their doorway, I was told that I would be paid in a couple of days and the price was the one they had decided on without no choice from me. I couldnt get my meds back since I was now outside, so I went home hoping for the best.
Its now going on two weeks now and not even a call.

Before I go further, to add insult to injury, as I was sharing a bowl with the two owners upstairs earlier, they were much too happy to show me a pound of out door Oregon they had just picked up for 1600 bucks. It was keifed and they knew it but they were just happy with their profit margin is all I could get out of the conversation.

I feel the local farmers in this state need to start some sort of union, or atleast some sort of protection should be abided to us by the state before situations like these get out of hand.
If I wasnt as level headed as I am and know that pot is not worth bodily harm, it could have gotten ugly...as Im sure it will in the future someday when they do this to the wrong hot head....


If I do not get paid very soon, I am going to publicly release names and situations to the public and others that need to know.

I dont believe the states intent is to create unlawful and unfair business exchanges between parties.
Courts could get messy........and so can the streets.



~Lem

This is why we need these kinds of forums. If you've been ripped off by a dispensary, consumers have the right to know. I would pay them one more visit and allow them to fix the problem. If they don't publish who screwed you.

[DankDragon]

Count your blessings David.
From personal experience....just about a week ago, I got a call inviting me to drop by since I hadnt been around for a while.
They told me they missed my top shelf meds.
So I paid them a visit with a couple of ounces thinking that they would donate the usual amount.
They know that I needed 250 to cover my costs and time.
After going upstairs and dropping my quality meds on their table, I watched as the owners dived in with glee and claiming it was all for them and they were not going to sell any to patients.
I was blown away by that comment, but it was just the first thing to amaze me that night.
After smoking some of my stash with them, they continued to fill bowls out of the ounces I just dropped off.
So I figured they decided to take my meds.
This is where it gets interesting. They offered me 200 bucks knowing that I would never take that.But since they had already dipped their paws into the product, I figured it was bought and a price just had to be agreed on.
Well, as they walked me downstairs, I thought they were going for the cash, but instead they showed me the door.
As I stood in their doorway, I was told that I would be paid in a couple of days and the price was the one they had decided on without no choice from me. I couldnt get my meds back since I was now outside, so I went home hoping for the best.
Its now going on two weeks now and not even a call.

Before I go further, to add insult to injury, as I was sharing a bowl with the two owners upstairs earlier, they were much too happy to show me a pound of out door Oregon they had just picked up for 1600 bucks. It was keifed and they knew it but they were just happy with their profit margin is all I could get out of the conversation.

I feel the local farmers in this state need to start some sort of union, or atleast some sort of protection should be abided to us by the state before situations like these get out of hand.
If I wasnt as level headed as I am and know that pot is not worth bodily harm, it could have gotten ugly...as Im sure it will in the future someday when they do this to the wrong hot head....

If I do not get paid very soon, I am going to publicly release names and situations to the public and others that need to know.

I dont believe the states intent is to create unlawful and unfair business exchanges between parties.
Courts could get messy........and so can the streets.



~Lem

Brother, brother, brother. If any ONE person can say that, you are anything other than one of the nicest people around here,
I CHALLENGE THAT OPINION PERSONALLY!!!.

You have my number. Call me when you go back for your money. I will be there to offer "moral" support.

[hiamps]

Seems to me they are trying to Create Criminals...It just isn't their little fairytail world.

[david98686]

My 'personal' worry is that we won't have any doctors (cheap ones)willing to sign our medical recommendations
if they pass SSB 5073 so there won't be any patients. I'm fine with the rest of the bill in the house now..

[david98686]

I can't find an edit button.. The law will require a 'relationship' with the doctor who writes our authorizations.
I'll bet that will cost us, what, $500 per year to maintain?

[ZionsLion]

Lem:

We had this discussion many years ago on THCF, and I'll point it out again... By COMMUNITY standards $250 is AT BEST a fair RETAIL price.... I'm not sure that you have a legitimate complaint about them wanting good meds for headstash @ $250 an ounce.

I thoroughly sympathize with the disrespectful way that you were treated, but from an outside perspective, it seems that if you didn't like the arrangement, you wouldn't have left the premises... If someone stole from me (locked my meds in an upstairs room and said they'd pay me what they wanted when they wanted) they would have never gotten me out of their door...

I like the Farmer's Markets because they provide a community regulated environment... Ask the douch charging $15/g how much business he does... Then ask the guys with ounces of AAA's for $200-$250... However, there are parts of the FM's that prevent me from wanting to participate in any way other than as a fun place to socialize on a Sunday. Not comfortable with the media element.

Long story short, Cannabis is a living entity, not a whore. Anyone who treats her as anything but a goddess of knowledge and healing; to be respected instead of profited from, is sure to do some suffering... Sometimes suffering is useful. :hippy:

[david98686]

Hi ZionsLion, I'd been wondering how you were doing.. :)
One thing I have learned in these years is that it cost a LOT more to grow a high quality, low producing, 14 week Sativa
than an 8 or 9 week heavy flowering Indica hybrid. I'm just saying I can see how all medication, great or poor, can't all be the same price.
Nothing to do with dispensaries or anything.

[killerweed420]

All this is just capitalism working in the cannabis market. The market will set the prices. As buyers become more informed on how to rate quality the quality stuff will rise in price and the dirtweed will be dirt cheap. Any time the government gets involved thats going to alter the free market value of commodities by putting regulations controlling certain aspects of the market. The new bill is not going to help the free market. It will result in higher prices for all. If the intiative passes for the first time in the last 100 years we will have a free market place for cannabis for 2 years with no government intrusion other than having to wet nurse the feds. It will be an interesting experiment to see what happens to the cannabis market.

[ZionsLion]

Hey David,
Yes friend, it has been a long time. Kari fell off the face of the earth and took her board with her... From a local Ferrier friend that we share... "Last I heard, she was doing well. That girl's a strange one, but he animals were happy and healthy"

I TOTALLY agree with your statement. Sativas ARE worth more, because they take more time to grow. I was making a blanket statement that might have come across wrong...

At the markets, one can find all types of vendors with all types of motivations. The vendors that I chose to go with have a LOT of 8-10/g herb and a little bit of 12-15/g herb. In fact, 15 is still offensive!

Can someone tell me if ANY cannabis is worth $6825 per pound? That's $15/g If you got a hp PER month, that's still $3400... I call shenanigans.... Greedy shenanigans at that! Power is at most $200. (For the grow, not one's entire house) $20 for a bag of soil. Let's be generous and say $80 worth of nutrients.... Hmmmm a HP costs $300 to produce and it's "compassionate care" to sell it for 10times that....

Killer, I beg to differ. There will always be people who believe that this is a truly sacred plant, and as such will care more about actually helping those in need than making a buck. Ounces of the best of the best should be $250. Anything less than superior quality shouldn't even be sold. I've gotten sick from herb with mold and disease more times than I can count, it's offensive!

I hope the current bill dies, but if it doesn't, you can bet that the only true "compassionate care" will come from 10 person collectives!

[Purple Daddy]

Interesting read here! I'm from CA and a club will not give you more then $100 per oz. no matter how good your medications are, they will pretty much treat you like you're in a pawn shop and act like it's dirt week they will be lucky to make money off of. That same medication they bought for $100 an oz. will be marked up 200-300% depending on how it's broken down and sold.

Basic wholesale if you bought a q/p from a grower(not a shop/store front) is $400-$650, there are some who will hold out and try to get $700+ but I doubt they are getting that. I've seen decent med's for as low as $600 a HP. There are many factors that go into various pricing, some growers don't smoke and want to cash in so they pre-sell their crops and I know of one guy who sold by the plant, you show up and buy the plant still in the ground and take it home and do all the trim work yourself. He had so much that he just gave my buddy a plant sitting in the garage that had gotten all dried up.

IMO you should not pay more then $200 an oz. for top shelf med's. If you can network with other patients then try to work with a grower to get it at QP wholesale prices and split the cost with other patients. THIS is really the spirit of compassionate use laws.

I honestly believe the walls will come tumbling down on most cannabis clubs and probably by next year. There is so much ambiguity and some states are already starting to crack down. A string of clubs opened up in Las Vegas but the state stepped in to clarify that their compassionate use law was clearly defined to be used by patients to grow and posess their own med's and I can't imagine it would preclude one patient from giving another patient their meds. I believe that most states that have similar laws written with the same intent, I don't believe for a second that any state law intended or even allows for store fronts to be selling. What has happened in CA is a major conflict of state/local and federal laws as they are written and defined. Many communities are putting zoning restrictions which in some case make it nearly impossible to open up shop while other communities seem to have embraced clubs such as Los Angeles, Sacramento and Oakland.

I gave a lady friend some lights, as I was bringing them into her apartment some tweaker bitch a few doors down saw me and started talking all kinds of crazy shit, whatever, 10 minutes later the Sheriff shows up with a report of suspicious activity. She shows him her ID, shows him her Dr. recommendation then takes him to her grow room, he asked a few generic questions and as he was leaving just told me to "have a good evening", mind you we were medicating when he knocked on the door so you can imagine the smell. He didn't even ask who I was or anything. The state of CA has decriminilized the posession of an oz. or less, it's equivelant to a parking ticket(as long as it isn't packaged to sell) so no more court dates, garbage duty, counseling, criminal record etc. DUI is still treated no differently though. Basically in CA you aren't going to get harassed by any local LE unless you're being really STUPID! My advice is however you procure your med's is your business but once you do please leave it and consume it at home or at the campsite or wherever you may be vacationing.

[david98686]

Great thread guys, whatever happens I'm glad everyone is seeing the reality of things! :)

[david98686]

If the Governor won't sign SSB 5073 the House and Senate can still talk about it and amend it all they want
but I can't what they could do to it in the time left that would make the Feds happy?
You can bet it wouldn't be good for patients...
So I guess that puts all the new dispensaries, collectives, Farmers Markets, combination groups that both authorize patients
and dispense medication in the cross hairs. All these were never allowed under current law if left unchanged, see if they can find any way around
the Feds threats to arrest any and, or, all involved if the bill is signed into law..

[Effendi]

Count your blessings David.

From personal experience....just about a week ago, I got a call inviting me to drop by since I hadnt been around for a while.
They told me they missed my top shelf meds.
So I paid them a visit with a couple of ounces thinking that they would donate the usual amount.
They know that I needed 250 to cover my costs and time.
After going upstairs and dropping my quality meds on their table, I watched as the owners dived in with glee and claiming it was all for them and they were not going to sell any to patients.
I was blown away by that comment, but it was just the first thing to amaze me that night.
After smoking some of my stash with them, they continued to fill bowls out of the ounces I just dropped off.
So I figured they decided to take my meds.
This is where it gets interesting. They offered me 200 bucks knowing that I would never take that.But since they had already dipped their paws into the product, I figured it was bought and a price just had to be agreed on.
Well, as they walked me downstairs, I thought they were going for the cash, but instead they showed me the door.
As I stood in their doorway, I was told that I would be paid in a couple of days and the price was the one they had decided on without no choice from me. I couldnt get my meds back since I was now outside, so I went home hoping for the best.
Its now going on two weeks now and not even a call.

~Lem

Dear Lem,

I have said it before and I will say it again. I KNOW you to be a good man. You and I have not always agreed on methods and preferences, but the one thing we have always seen eye to eye on is the value of compassion and the responsibility to stand for the honest folks.

What you have described above is a Totally unacceptable situation and if this has not been satisfied as of yet, I would like to bring my forces to bear in an attempt to not only satisfy your agreement, but protect the rest of good folks like you who might deal with these people in the future.

You know I have the influence to make a difference in our area and I will bring these forces to bear if you indicate that you have not received satisfaction from this operation.

It's not just about one honest man disrespected and stolen from, it's about ALL of us at risk. If these people will try to do this to YOU, no one else is safe either as you are not a man to be trifled with.

You know where to find me and you are MORE then welcome on my board as was indicated by all recently.

If you give the word, we will stand for the good man that you are and do our part to make sure others know who is trustworthy and who is not.

Thank you for sharing and as always, I look to help and promote honesty and dismiss those who work to exploit.

Will talk soon friend.

Demo!!

[killerweed420]

In my area there are only 2 dispensaries. I've only gone to one of them because I know the owners of the other and I would never do business with them. Plain and simple the owner has been dealing in all kinds of drugs for years. And even the one I do go to has become corrupt. They have a book of there product in which are samples of all the different strains they sell. Almost 75% of the samples were filled with the same product and marketed as being something they're not. But its bound to happen when you use capitalism as your platform for business. Maximise profits at all costs. I always knew it was the greed that was going to kill this movement.

[gypski]

Greed, and "our group is better then you group BS". In states that have private liquor stores, they all carry the same product, some are able to discounted, others you pay full price. The only way to drive the price down is full legalization, and it will take time for the supply to catch up to the demand in some areas. Its a monster created and allowed to live by the government. Legal cannabis and its revenue can help states fill gaps in the budgets for seniors and the disabled, and other needy people if not diverted to the general funds. Its our elected officials who are the irresponsible ones ignoring the golden goose before their eyes. I'd be satisfied to be able to grow my own without reservation, and any extra would go to those I know personally to cover my expenses and make a reasonable profit margin just like a legitimate business. But bringing sense to the issue will not happen until all get on the same page, and that page is blanket and total legalization. Recreational users far out number medical users and they are just as open for arrest as anyone else. Sign I-1149 and help end the insanity of Reefer Madness exhibited by the government's mythology and pseduo or non science..

I have an inactive co-op and I won't reactivate it until there is full clarity and my legal troubles are over with. And I will operate it when restarted honestly and legally. I hate the legal bullshit that so called friends have put me into while they dance around free and unencumbered as a birds. Its no cost me over a grand and counting. And I could lose my legal right medically. So look out for the hypocrites and those only in it for the money or themselves. :twocents:

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In my area there are only 2 dispensaries. I've only gone to one of them because I know the owners of the other and I would never do business with them. Plain and simple the owner has been dealing in all kinds of drugs for years. And even the one I do go to has become corrupt. They have a book of there product in which are samples of all the different strains they sell. Almost 75% of the samples were filled with the same product and marketed as being something they're not. But its bound to happen when you use capitalism as your platform for business. Maximise profits at all costs. I always knew it was the greed that was going to kill this movement.