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WashougalWonder
03-17-2011, 01:29 PM
Well as many of you know I am constantly experimenting. Lately with nutes. I wanted bulkier buds, more resin. Was doing fine with just FF OF, but felt I could get more.

So I started using it. Spendy stuff, but it does not take much. For example I consider 1 ml total in the life of a plant, in a 3 gallon pot, given in two 0.5 ml doses, week 4 and week 5 of flower. No other nutes at same time.

If you give any potassium, after this be cautious or expect a lot of yellowing. I played with following the 4th and 5th weeks by giving 1 ml of Ultra snowstorm every other watering for the last 3 weeks, increasing the amount of water to flushing in the last 2 weeks, essentially just plenty of runoff for those 2 weeks. This does cause quite a bit of yellowing, but the plants really pack on the bulk and trichomes in the last 3 weeks. I would say 25%-40% more bulk depending on species.

Sensi Star just loves that stuff. White widow slows vertical growth, so I assume this also works as a vertical growth inhibitor (VGI), and puts on more bulk than I have ever seen. The more indica-like, the better the results I think.

This stuff is potent, and will burn the holey pooh outta your plants if you OD it or OD on K or P after dosing it. (I actually start overwatering the week after the last dose. I also note that after the first dose the plant craves water.

So not giving a company a pitch, giving a nute a feedback report and you can decide for yourself if it is worth the money.

emilya
03-17-2011, 03:09 PM
Well as many of you know I am constantly experimenting. Lately with nutes. I wanted bulkier buds, more resin. Was doing fine with just FF OF, but felt I could get more.

So I started using it. Spendy stuff, but it does not take much. For example I consider 1 ml total in the life of a plant, in a 3 gallon pot, given in two 0.5 ml doses, week 4 and week 5 of flower. No other nutes at same time.

If you give any potassium, after this be cautious or expect a lot of yellowing. I played with following the 4th and 5th weeks by giving 1 ml of Ultra snowstorm every other watering for the last 3 weeks, increasing the amount of water to flushing in the last 2 weeks, essentially just plenty of runoff for those 2 weeks. This does cause quite a bit of yellowing, but the plants really pack on the bulk and trichomes in the last 3 weeks. I would say 25%-40% more bulk depending on species.

Sensi Star just loves that stuff. White widow slows vertical growth, so I assume this also works as a vertical growth inhibitor (VGI), and puts on more bulk than I have ever seen. The more indica-like, the better the results I think.

This stuff is potent, and will burn the holey pooh outta your plants if you OD it or OD on K or P after dosing it. (I actually start overwatering the week after the last dose. I also note that after the first dose the plant craves water.

So not giving a company a pitch, giving a nute a feedback report and you can decide for yourself if it is worth the money.

I have to ask if you were also using the 3 soluble products from FF along with the BB, TB and GB as well as the OF soil before you did this experiment to compare results. I ask because that +50 P load that the cha-ching puts in there every other watering to promote oil production is pretty dang strong. Here now in the 5th week I just started adding molasses to the mix to make a very impressive looking nute soup to give them every 4 days.

You know me. If there is something better out there I want to try it. I just want to make sure we are comparing apples against apples here.

Emmie

WashougalWonder
03-18-2011, 01:05 PM
Nope never tried the other stuff. Just molasses and now the BB. I do not give molasses during the bloombastic feeding weeks.

emilya
03-18-2011, 04:16 PM
Nope never tried the other stuff. Just molasses and now the BB. I do not give molasses during the bloombastic feeding weeks.

I was just comparing the bloombastic with the FF late flowering nute line.

Bloombastic 0-14-15
FF Cha-Ching 9-50-10

but looking at the total load I am giving my flowers at 5+ weeks, the total NPK is closer to this:
Tiger Bloom 2 - 8 - 4
Big Bloom .1- .3- .7 (mostly organics)
Cha-Ching 9 -50- 10
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My Total NPK 11.1-58.3-14.7

Yours:
Big Bloom .1-.3-.7
Bloombastic 0-14-15
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Your Total NPK .1-14.3-15.7


So there you have it. We are giving about the same potassium and I am giving 400% more phosphorus, according to FF, for oil production as well as some Nitrogen. Reading the documentation I see that this heavy P load may extend the flowering period. I wonder by how much, but I also have to think that it would be worth it if I am adding that much oil weight.

It amazes me just how different the various nutrient brands of nutrients are from each other. I will have to do a study on just what the recommended levels of the leading brands are throughout the typical 13 week cycle. Looking at these numbers may help decide which brand is better at each stage, or who has all the numbers optimized better for growing weeds. I am sure that they would all claim that using their product suite as suggested will produce superior crops, but with so much diversity out there, I wonder if any of them really do have this all dialed in correctly. And then to add to the confusion, products such as this Bloombastic, Superthrive and others claim that vitamin levels and trace minerals are the key factors for a good crop. This is fascinating!

Emmie

rudy2010
03-18-2011, 10:45 PM
Thanks for the detailed info wash and emmie. I have been too nervous to go for serious nutes. I have just been using bhudda grow and bhudda bud. They work OK but I feel I could do much better. Keep the details coming.