MY PLANTS ARE DOING WELL BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU GUYS 2 HELP ME WITH 1 PROBLEM

[massbud]

my plants are growing beautiful but i have 1 problem. but lemme let u guys know i named the plants so when i explain it will be easier. the bigger plant is called BIGGIE (lol) and the smaller plant is called marley. (lol) biggie is budding beautiful i wanna know do i have to taqke any careful steps while she buds and keep doing what im doing.. marley is growing too but no buds yet and one of the tip of her leaves turn yellow.. and it wus only that leaf.. anything to worry about? and when does flowering end? jst curious thxxx:cool:


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[oldmac]

Hi massbud,

Not sure if it's my eyes or your poor pictures, but I don't see any "budding".

I really don't care what you've named your plants. In order to help you I would need more information like; how long they been growing, what strain, what they growing in, nutrients used, light being used, photperiod, ph of water, etc, etc.

Find the cancom trouble shooting form, fill it out as completely as possible and you will get helped, either by me or others here.

OM

[massbud]

lmao!! i named em like i said 2 make it more easier for ppl 2 understand.. they been growin for about 7 to 8 weeks. the bigger one is jst starting to bud so u cant really see it from a distance but ill take a close pic to show.. im growing them in 2 lowe's boxes 2gether painted with the inside white.. i have 3 cfl lights watts are 150 and one is 100. i have a small fan. the nutes i used wus bloom booster miracle gro and fish fertilizer. fish fertilizer every sat. and the bloom i only used once a week ago and ima wait for 2 weeks 2 use again. the p.h for biggie is @ 7 and the pH for marley is @ 6.5

[CanGroIt]

Did you take these pics right before the lights come on? If not, they look sad. I would wrap something around those clear pots instead of covering them with a couple boxes. Minimize the amount of light to the root zone for better growth, hence the popularity of black pots. Moisture tends to cling to the plastic longer and the roots tend to grow out to moisture. Moisture + light = bad area for roots. They look ok, how long have they been under 12/12? For your next grow you might want to maximize your light and do a scrog. And flowering ends when the buds and trichomes have reached the size and maturity that it's environment has allowed......

[massbud]

yea i did i took them right before i put the light on. someone actually suggested the box idea for me and it has been working i cant lie. these are how the buds looks so far. do you think it might be 2 much light? yea i leave it on for 12 and den 12 shut it off for 12..so you think i should change the pots? its my 1st time so any advice is appreciated.

[massbud]

here are the pix.

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[tinytoon]

3 things I see.
1) light has been to far away leading to allot of stretch.
2) The leaf in question on your opening post looks like a lower fan leaf that might have gotten up against a bulb, if it is and only leaf affected then /snip ......... Next!
3) How long have they been 12/12?? I really have to agree with OM and say what budsites? I see some flowering but not buds.

Hey OM how ya doing??

[chapman1]

hey mb they looking alright to me just keep an eye on the discolouring for now could be nothing . ps paint ur pots as light will damage the roots. how bout a pic of the whole setup havent seen it since u got the boxes

[CanGroIt]

do you think it might be 2 much light?

No! Not enough light is more like it.

Don't worry, time and mistakes take time to learn from.......

Yeah, I don't see any bud production going on in your pics yet.

How long have they been under 12/12 lighting?????

The pic posted is of day 11 flwr. Your plants should look something like this at least 2 weeks into 12/12.

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[massbud]

ok ima take a new pic in an hour. CanGroit i like your set up can i ask what ur exact setup is? and its been 12/12 since the begining so im deffinately going to put more light on them now.. probably go buy 1 more CFL bulb.. and isnt budding when it starts growing out the branches?

[massbud]

also how do i find out what strain it is? because all i know is that they where bubba kush seeds..

[TANKJR]

LOL! Did you really just ask that^^^^^^^???? Are you serious? um...if they came from bubba kush seeds then there's a really good chance they will be bubba kush...actually, there's no chance at all! LMAO! They WILL be bubba kush...assuming you don't kill them first...You need to read up on growing a little...Start here: http://boards.cannabis.com/cannabis-com-lounge/191843-every-marijuana-book-you-could-ever-want-several-videos-too.html

[massbud]

i meant would it be 1 of these 3? indica , sativa, or hybrid. wouldnt it be 1? and yea i got 1 book on it so far

[massbud]

its called Green WEed by Dr Seymour Kindbud

[CanGroIt]

. and isnt budding when it starts growing out the branches?

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!! You have not read nearly enough material on this subject!!!! You have a lot and I mean A LOT of learning to do.

Why in the world would you have them on a 12/12 light cycle from the beginning, especially from seed? Shoot, I can't believe they even grew! And to answer your question, the term "budding" is used because the plant starts growing buds, no longer branches. As for my setup, I'll be posting a grow log soon so you can see it there.... I'll be happy to answer any of your questions but YOU have got some reading to do!!!!

For now, if I were you I would switch the light to 18/6 and let them vegetate like they should. Or start all over with new seeds. Either way, it's going to be at least three months before you see buds....

[tinytoon]

WoW!!!! :wtf:


Talk about crude. No doubt there is allot of reading/learning to do but Dam!!!
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/134670-what-does-everything-mean.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/183621-understanding-ph-management-plant-nutrition.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/151941-importance-continuous-canopy-its-all-about-efficiency-baby.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/142258-clone-log-cloning-pics-using-master-kush-mom.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/127522-simple-noob-instructions-growin-da-dankness.html

Read these and allot of ??? will be answered. Btw you prob will be starting over pretty soon but in the mean time put light on 18/6 and drip for like 15 mins every 4/6 hours.

Wow so cruel you would think from reading this that some people never started at the bottom :sorry1:

[oldmac]

WoW massbud,

A little more info...and it all became clear.

What you thought was bud sites are actually called pre-flowers. At least the ones with the preflowers are female, no preflowers and they will be male.

When talking about CFL's use the wattage that they actually consume NOT the incandescent watt/ lumen equivalent. That becomes a double useless number.

I asked what you were growing in, I meant growing medium not container. It looked like backyard dirt. Seeing the book you are using as a guide, that explains the dirt and fish emulstion. Both OK outdoors, heck I've used fish emulstion for many years outdoors but there are better mediums and nutrients for indoors.

Virtually all seeds being sold are hybreds, the question is indica or sativa dominate. Unless the seed dealer is offering landrace varieties.

I am willing to bet that when you were in school (you probably still are) you were too lazy to do your homework.
I also think that we are helping a pimplely faced teenager with his first grow, that does not make me comfortable.

OM

Hey Tiny; I'm doing good, gave myself a time out for awhile, since we had no mods to do it. :thumbsup:

[tinytoon]

Why is it everytime we run into each other we both are dancing the edge of the same type of situation LOL :lol5:

[massbud]

ight 1st off.. no teenager.. im 23.. 2nd of all this my 1st grow.. i had 2 bubba kush seeds and didnt want them 2 go 2 waste thats why i planted them. 3rd i didnt do em for 12 12.. i did em for 12 12 once i thought they where budding. which now i kno there flowering and theres a difference. in the begining stage when it was a baby seed i had da light on almost all the time jst like the book says. i will take a picture of my whole set up and post it but remember its my 1st time so dnt expect me 2 know everything. im doing my research and my plants are actually comming out beautiful. i forgot all of you where born knowing how 2 grow plants lmaooo

[TANKJR]

No, but after 40 years it seems that way sometimes...sorry if I offended you! I am human and have my bad days, and I was very stoned when I posted that on a particularly bad day...again, I'm sorry, I'm usually a pretty helpful guy....I usually am toasted tho, so deal with it...Since you claim to be 23, you should be literate...Here's tons of info to help you, but I can't read it for you...http://boards.cannabis.com/cannabis-com-lounge/191843-every-marijuana-book-you-could-ever-want-several-videos-too.html

1 book is better than nothing, but a wise man has MANY counselors...don't make the mistake I did when new and try to do it as one book says (there was only one book back then, LOL!), but read them all and make your grow work with bits and pieces from all the info you have available.

That better, Tiny?

[chapman1]

reading can be helpful up to a point but as iv found you learn better on the job, maybe you should check out some grow logs from the more experienced growers. stick it out with these plants and pay attention to the changes a cnnabis plant has during its lifecycle.but i would suggest you learn more and be confident in your own ability before your next grow:thumbsup:

[CanGroIt]

Massbud - Hope we weren't too hard on you. I must have misunderstood you, I thought you said you had them under 12/12 the entire time. My bad....

So have you switched your lights back to 18/6 or you keeping them on 12/12 to see what happens? Post pics of your setup when you got a chance. I'm starting a grow log so check it out, if you have any questions, just ask.

[oldmac]

ight 1st off.. no teenager.. im 23.. 2nd of all this my 1st grow.. i had 2 bubba kush seeds and didnt want them 2 go 2 waste thats why i planted them. 3rd i didnt do em for 12 12.. i did em for 12 12 once i thought they where budding. which now i kno there flowering and theres a difference. in the begining stage when it was a baby seed i had da light on almost all the time jst like the book says. i will take a picture of my whole set up and post it but remember its my 1st time so dnt expect me 2 know everything. im doing my research and my plants are actually comming out beautiful. i forgot all of you where born knowing how 2 grow plants lmaooo

OK, I was off by a few years....you didn't mention if your skin cleared up or if you ever did your homework. (Calm down, that was a joke;))

You need to make sure you go easy and keep your plants going healthy, especially if they are the only two you have. Follow the advice that's been given above.

Re-cap:
1) cover current containers to make them light proof or change pots.
2) one leaf looks bad, probably leaf burn from light or maybe water droplets. No real problem.
3) keep light schedule to 18/6, till you're ready to put them in flower.
4) keep and eye on PH, soil done organic should probably be 6.8-6.9 (maybe why "Biggie" is bigger then "Marley".
5) do some learning here or in books.

BTW nobody is asking you to be a plant biologist or even a horticultrualist....just be smarter then the plant you're growing. Good luck.

OM

[benny blanco]

You can grow straight 12/12 from seed. I seen it done. And that looks kinda like nute burn

[tinytoon]

Can you grow 12/12 from seed?? Why sure you can BUT the most preferred way is 18/6 as you can acheive better growth during veg.
That is NOT nute burn. Nute burn would affect all leaves and you would see it start at the tips of the leaves.

[Rusty Trichome]

You can grow straight 12/12 from seed. I seen it done. And that looks kinda like nute burn
Can you do it...? Sure.
But I doubt that members that are in here trying to learn how to properly care for their meds, will want to grow sucked-up unusable plants as a direct result of following garbage advice provided by a newbie.

Treat 'em right and the plants will do their job. Treat 'em like a red-headed step child and the both of you will suffer.

Speaking of suffering, do you have pictures to go along with your statement?

[massbud]

my plants are lookin beautiful but im going to show you guys only 1 because the other 1 hasnt began to flower yet. im wondering whats the powder on the leaves.. is that THC? im going to paint box white 2morro.
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[CanGroIt]

Sorry to break it to you massbud but that's a male plant...... You did do a good job growing it but unfortunately this plant isn't going to give you any buds...... You can either scrap it now or keep it growing until the seeds come out of it. Chances are that the powder on the leaves is pollen...... Thats what I'm getting from your pics......anyone else??

Just to be sure, can you post a close up pic of the pollen sacks?

[massbud]

it has pistils though.. and no balls like a male.. im convinced its a female but is there any otha way i can kno for sure

[CanGroIt]

it has pistils though.. and no balls like a male.. im convinced its a female but is there any otha way i can kno for sure

My bad, couldn't see the pistils in the pics. It's not a boy then, it's a hermie.

Is it possible that you might have flipped to 12/12 too soon that it caused the plant to stress so much it turned? Were your seeds feminized?

I know how it feels, I've had plants hermie on me too. This is why I like clones soooooooo much! If you can get a close up pic of the pistils, post it so others can chime in their two cents as well......

[chapman1]

scrap that hermie as quick as possible as not to pollenate the other how is that plant doin show us a couple of pics

[tinytoon]

Is it possible that you might have flipped to 12/12 too soon that it caused the plant to stress so much it turned?.

Huh???? Flipped to soon??? I'm betting light leaks would be more of a culprit.

Great!! Now I got this flipped to soon thing stuck in my head. Would you care to elaborate on this??:wtf:

[CanGroIt]

Huh???? Flipped to soon??? I'm betting light leaks would be more of a culprit.

Great!! Now I got this flipped to soon thing stuck in my head. Would you care to elaborate on this??:wtf:

Why you always picking on me toon? What did I do to you?

Maybe the plant wasn't mature enough to start flowering and it hermied in an attempt to pollenate possible female plants in the surrounding area to keep the species alive. I've only experienced delayed flowering with light leaks. I've had plants that stressed and turned hermie right next females that grew great. After all, hermies come about because of stress.... If I'm wrong, please explain.... Thank you in advanced....:thumbsup:

[massbud]

damn for a 1st grower i was happy i thought i was doing good =/ so now i gotta wait and see what the other plant is going to do cus she hasnt flowered but i seperated them even before she started 2 pollinate.. so should i get rid of the hermie or can i put it 2 use in anyway?:(

[massbud]

is not good even for cloning?

[omnibuddy]

Hi,

Let me clarify your situation.

You have a hermie; it is not possible to say what cause this but it does NOT necessarily mean you did something wrong.

A hermie can be 100% natural and predetermined within the genetics of the seed. It can also be a plant that hermaphrodizes at a later point. If it wasn't genetically a hermie, then stresses can cause it to herm. The fact is we can't know what caused your plant to be a hermie. Things mentioned like light leeks, excessive pruning, susceptible genetics, or other stresses can be a contributing factor in non-predetermined hermies.

Growing is a journey; look at your system and make improvements as you go in the areas that may be causing issues.

Remove this plant, treat it like the plague, destroy it immediately. Throughly clean the space. If any pollen makes it onto your girls, the you loose potency and end up with seeds.

They are not good for cloning. Clones are exact replicas and will grow up to hermie as well. If you are not breeding, then all pollinating plants should be destroyed IMMEDIATELY and the space cleaned. If you are breeding, you need a separate space and stringent controls.

[massbud]

:mad: sux you know for a 1st time grower i got so hype to see it actually growin.. now that im gunna be left with 1 fem i jst hope it works out =/ here are her pix... u cud even still see the pistils and she hasnt begane 2 flower or anythin. thanks you guys i will depose of the hermi =/
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[omnibuddy]

You know, if it hasn't really gotten into flowing yet (starts of pistils is still pre-flower) then you might consider converting back to veg for a few more weeks. It may stress it a little, but I've done it to some of mine with no problems.

Then you can grow this plant to fill your space and even get some clones off the plant so you don't have to start from seed next time.

[fasts102376]

chill oldman just sit back and fire up a joint a turn on some willies..

[Rusty Trichome]

Is it possible that you might have flipped to 12/12 too soon that it caused the plant to stress so much it turned?
Highly unlikely. The plant will just keep growing till it's mature enough to start flowering. Best to leave 'em in the veg cycle till they're mature enough to switch to flowering. (already showing pre-flowers) But I've never had a plant stress enough to throw nanners because of flipping too early. Sucked-up and scraggly-looking, but no hermies.

A more likely scenario is:
A light leak. No light at all during the 12 hour dark period.
Inconsistent light schedule.
Temperature fluctuation.
Inadequate air exchange.
Bagseed genetics. (a crappy genetic past)

Pollen can stick around and adversely affect your crops on down the line. (it kills your yield when making seeds)

If you purchased your seeds retail, it is likely that this is the result of something you've done. You need to identify the cause of the stress, or you'll keep getting the same results.
If the genetics are solid, and if you had some experience...I'd recommend you re-veg her. But you need to know how to prevent hermaphrodites before you try and work with 'em.

Trash-n-learn. (trash the hermie, and use it as a learning experience) Try and wipe-down any surface that the pollen might have stuck to with a damp rag. (water kills pollen)

Likely a good idea to read the grow logs and basic growing forums till your eyes bleed, and to learn the parts of your plants. Mistaking the pollen for THC is a rookie mistake. <doh> THC is manufactured/contained in the globular head of the trichome.

[CanGroIt]

Highly unlikely. The plant will just keep growing till it's mature enough to start flowering. Best to leave 'em in the veg cycle till they're mature enough to switch to flowering. (already showing pre-flowers) But I've never had a plant stress enough to throw nanners because of flipping too early. Sucked-up and scraggly-looking, but no hermies.

Thanks for clarifying this.

I just threw that out there to get massbud thinking. My bad, I was wrong......

CanGroIt::::::

[massbud]

this is the plant i have left and my set up for her. lemme kno what you guys think. and what u think i should do... how long should i leave the lights on for her now? pls lemme kno asap
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