RE: Veteran Smokers

[GHoSToKeR]

Maybe I stuck my nose in where it shouldnt be. I stick to my beliefs - i dont think peace will ever come about through war.. and i will never respect those who condone war, or those who actively seek it. but I guess I can respect the bravery that you guys have to show when put in that position. My apologies.

[OreO]

ya thats all they were syaing,,, alot of people here are anit-war(i am), but i still give the respect the people that go into service deserve, they are risking there live for us. Some didnt even get to choose to goto war, they were drafted against there will, so they had no choice but to fight or goto jail. Just think about it, imagine u got drafted and u did time where ever and then someone says something like u did and doesnt show u the respect that u feel u deserve because of risking there lives, that would piss u off...and if not i dunno then cause it would piss me off

[Sgt. Pepper]

I agree with OreO, because I was always strongly against the Iraq war, however I have nothing but the utmost respect for soldiers who put themselves in harm's way. I'm always behind the guys who are being shot at, but it's the people who put them there I take issue with. I agree with Ghostoker that we should not actively seek war when it is not necessary, as I felt was true with the Iraq war. And like Ghostoker, I used to think that war is never OK, but there was always the lingering issue of World War II. I cannot think of any argument that would justify our staying out of that war. So war sometimes is a brutal necessity in order to defend civilization. The thing that gets me is that the Bushies thought this was true with Iraq.

[LearyS Disciple]

i think it would be stupid for you to purposely put yourself in harms way by signing yourself up. i know if i got drafted id move out of the country, probably to mexico. people today fighting in the iraq war can be thought of as heros, but can also be thought of as insane depending on who youre with. i think all violence between mankind is terrible and i think everyone in the world needs to chill out and just love everything instead of wanting to kill someone.

[phillieblunt420]

i'm personally for the war in iraq..sadam husein would hang people from there feet and beat them to death w/ an electrical cord...and ur going to sit back and let that happen for the next 10,20,50 years? Then ur doing nothing to gain world peace...and just think of this, for every american soldier we loose over there, his life will save that of persay 100 iraqi's...some wars r un-needed but this one was for a good cause and god bless the troops over there saving a country from a ruthless dictator who now cannot hurt anymore people!

[XTC]

i'm personally for the war in iraq..sadam husein would hang people from there feet and beat them to death w/ an electrical cord...and ur going to sit back and let that happen for the next 10,20,50 years? Then ur doing nothing to gain world peace...and just think of this, for every american soldier we loose over there, his life will save that of persay 100 iraqi's...some wars r un-needed but this one was for a good cause and god bless the troops over there saving a country from a ruthless dictator who now cannot hurt anymore people!

Saddam and about dozen or so other nations. But Iraq has oil in it so its special. Anywho, Ya I give my respect to the Troops, they're risking their lives for us. Ghost your post was a little out of line and not needed.

[TheLion]

for every american soldier we loose over there, his life will save that of persay 100 iraqi's

Well, for one, we didn't go over there to get saddam out in the first place, and secondly, do you have any idea how many Iragi's we've Murdered?

16,123!And that number only includes the deaths of those killed from DIRECT US military assult. That number would be MUCH larger if it counted those that died as a result of the hardships we have caused them.

We have only had 1,500 US casualties...

And you say we are "SAVING" them???? Do some research man.

[Mojavpa]

Well, for one, we didn't go over there to get saddam out in the first place, and secondly, do you have any idea how many Iragi's we've Murdered?

16,123!And that number only includes the deaths of those killed from DIRECT US military assult. That number would be MUCH larger if it counted those that died as a result of the hardships we have caused them.

We have only had 1,500 US casualties...

And you say we are "SAVING" them???? Do some research man.


And those are only the number of civilian deaths that can be verified, or that were reported. The number of actual civilian deaths is probably much higher. And lets not forget the hundreds of thousands of civilians who have been injured. The US presence in Iraq is doing more harm than good.

[TheLion]

Exactly my point. I have seen estimates 10 times that, but I was going off of just solid numbers, with the idea in mind that it wouldn't raise controversy over an issue that is not the primary focus.

[Day Dreamin Faze]

We did not acquire the freedom we have today by holding up fucking protesting signs...War may be a bad thing but its needed...Maybe we wouldnt have war's if we all could be peaceful and have respectful of each others belif's..But in this world today i dont see it happing anytime soon.

[Smokin2]

War is never good, DUH! But, I think the point here was that we should try and respect those that are fighting for our freedom to sit here and argue about it. That is the point. My ex-husband is in the military and has fought in this war. A war that didn't exist 12 years ago when he joined. Well it did, b/c of Clinton going to war with Saudi Arabia in 92 but he wasn't inlisted at that moment. My point is when this war arose he didn't have a choice to say NO he wouldn't go. I hated that he had too b/c I was scared for our children we share together. They could have lost their dad. Do you know what hurts my 11 year old the most? Hearing others say her daddy is bad b/c he is fighting this war. She not only has to live without her father, she had to listen to other adults bash him at the same time. She would come home from school crying b/c of it. Asking me why people didn't remember 9/11? Why don't they know her dad is only trying to protect us here? I had no easy answer for her. But the saying that Freedom isn't free was all I could say to help make any of it make sense. What else can you say?

The point is that those who have fought and those who are still fighting need all the support they can get. I think that was the purpose of this thread. The military has my support, now and always.

[420ultimatesmokage]

war is not a good thing but i have great respect and gratitude for our armed service men.

[Darkneon420]

A lot of us have done brave things. We just need to know how and when to be brave.

[GHoSToKeR]

Smokin2 - Freedom is and always should be free. The only reason people think of freedom as a priveledge is because of the way the human race lives. Governments, armies, money, the stock exchange, coca cola, etc, etc, has led us all to believe that we are put on this earth and then have to EARN our freedom. well, bullshit. ah man im stoned.