Curiosity poll

[Colodonmed]

I am curious as to how many patients REALLY are willing to continue shopping at MMC's and to re-register when their privacy is no longer protected. I for one will not ever step foot into another dispensary / center if I am being videotaped through the whole transaction. This sucks as their are some good centers that seem to care a little about their patients, I hope they pony up and get their lobby crews working overtime so that the patients can feel good about their privacy again. Till then it is a big NO for me.

[porone]

They can have it all to them selfs.I will not be back in one.I may not even send my 90 dollars to the state.

[rudy2010]

Which particular dispensaries are you talking about and where are they.

To me just getting my medical license puts me on the list. I resisted until the helicopters hovered over my plants and you could see the faces of the people in the chopper counting my plants. I got a license the next day. Now I am on the list even if I never go to a dispensary. I have gone to several dispensaries mainly to get clones and occasionally try new strains. It is pretty hard to come by quality clones in your chosen variety without going to a dispensary. I trade clones with a couple of my friends but that is a very small circle and does not provide that many strains.

[Colodonmed]

The law being proposed here Rudy will have you as a patient videotaped from the time you approach the door of the center, the complete shopping experience as well as your purchase quantity, your identification card and your medical marijuana certificate. Then that information has to also be made available 24 hrs a day to the marijuana police at the department of revenue. They can aslo view it in real time. This is not acceptable to me and many other patients I have spoken to, that is why I posted the thread. Good luck to you in California, it is very different out here in Colorado.

[HighPopalorum]

Although I'd prefer not to be taped, I will re-register (just did a few months ago) and will continue to shop at MMCs.

[TheReleafCenter]

Where do you go that doesn't have cameras?

[porone]

Where do you go that doesn't have cameras?

You think becouse they have security camras in walmart that this kind of intrusion is ok?By the way most every store I shop at does not

You try to smooth it over as no big deal.Well to us that have been using cannabis as long as you have been alive or longer it is a big deal.

[rudy2010]

Northern California. I am sure places like Harborside in Oakland and Organicann in Santa Rosa would be likely to have cameras. But there are a number of small dispensaries that clearly have no cameras. I don't want to start naming them but if you ask about a particular area I will try to help.

I still have to go to the Nazi superstore locations to find the strains I am looking for. I hate them but I still go there anyway since there is really no alternative.

[Dietblonde]

I understand people want their privacy. I value my own privacy, even during the internet/technology age where everything we do leaves a trace. But if you have a red card, the cat's already out of the bag, bro. The state knows you smoke, the city knows you smoke, the federal government may know you smoke. Every single dispensary I've been in the past 6 months has cameras. If its a big deal to you, just quit going to MMC's. Its not like they have cameras watching you take a dump in the bathroom.

If you actually think that somebody down at the DOR is watching every single minute of every day of every MMC in the state...you'd be kidding yourself and you might be a little narcissistic. They don't have the manpower to monitor 125,000 patients in the state. They'll be too busy writing and integrating laws for the next few years.

[Colodonmed]

Thats the whole basis for this thread, to see how folks thought about continuing to shop at mmc's while the whole experience is being filmed and recorded. I do not think that the DOR will be monitoring everything, but the fact is they COULD if they so choose. Also, they only folks that " know " you have a redcard is you, your Dr., the CDPHE and whomever YOU decide to share that information with. It should remain confidential, thats it.

[TheReleafCenter]

You think becouse they have security camras in walmart that this kind of intrusion is ok?By the way most every store I shop at does not

You try to smooth it over as no big deal.Well to us that have been using cannabis as long as you have been alive or longer it is a big deal.

No, I think the federal government can enter any MMC and confiscate video of you. A lot of these concerns, to me, don't have anything to do with the Department of Revenue. They, for the most part, have tried to handle this well. From their website:


Colorado legislation passed in 2010 assigned regulatory authority of Medical Marijuana Centers, Infused Product Manufacturers and Optional Premises Cultivations (Grows) to the Colorado Department of Revenue. The legislation created the need for the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment â?? which maintains the Medical Marijuana Registry â?? to share limited, non-personally identifying information with the Department of Revenue so that DOR can verify the numbers of patients for which a marijuana center is serving as the marijuana provider. Names of patients on the registry would not be shared.

A confidential, secure data base system could provide the most economical and efficient method for the two agencies to share needed information. No such system of sharing of Medical Marijuana Registry information between the agencies has yet been created. And, more importantly, any system to be created shall maintain all current patient confidentiality safeguards, which meet the requirements of the constitutional amendment.

It also is intended that any new data base system would provide law enforcement with access 24 hours a day/7 days a week, as required by the legislation, to verify whether or not an individual has an active marijuana registry card. This capability also would meet the legal requirements of the constitution and of the new laws. Law enforcement only would be able to access the system with information provided to them directly by the patient in order to defend their possession of Medical Marijuana, and access to the database will be conducted in accordance with state

[shpedoinkle]

Although I'd prefer not to be taped, I will re-register (just did a few months ago) and will continue to shop at MMCs.

My feelings too. My re-register is coming up and yes I will be doing it again.

[MtnLionCO]

I will renew my card only because I grow my own personal supply and it protects me legally. I will not be shopping at dispensaries at all.

[SoCoMMJ]

Every time you go to Wal-Mart to buy Tampons and Cheetos you are on video. Not much privacy there. Go to your bank, the library, the porn shop, restaurants, the liquor store, the casino, etc etc.

I don't understand the fear of cameras. You probably get videoed more than 100 times a day already. They are literally everywhere now.

You think as a patient there is a big risk of the feds getting the video of you buying you 3 grams of meds? Think about the risk that the dispensary is taking for your ability and convenience to purchase meds there. Storing videos for the required 40 days will include a very large number of sales that will put them away FOREVER. Minor purchasing/possession is very different than repeated felony sales and large volume possession.

Seems like I saw somewhere that the closeup of redcard and purchase volumes were eliminated from the draft rules for purchases, but the rules have since been dropped from the DOR website. I guess we'll see what shakes down on the final rules once they are published.

I guess it boils down to, if you aren't doing anything wrong, why the worry about cameras watching you? They were watching you last time you picked up your Viagra prescription at Walgreens. ;)

That ought to stir up the "pot" :thumbsup:

[HighPopalorum]

Every time you go to Wal-Mart to buy Tampons and Cheetos you are on video. Not much privacy there. Go to your bank, the library, the porn shop, restaurants, the liquor store, the casino, etc etc. I don't understand the fear of cameras. You probably get videoed more than 100 times a day already. They are literally everywhere now.


Not everywhere. There are certain communications (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Privileged_communication) that are privileged above others. Attorneys and clients, priests and penitents, husbands and wives and doctors and patients. There's a case to be made that medical marijuana providers should protect the privacy and dignity of their patients the same way doctors do, which would preclude the use of cameras to record the purchases and conversation of patients.

I'm not sure I agree with that argument, but there it is. I do believe there are ways the DoR can enforce its mandate to regulate MMCs without filming purchases.

[Stickybooger]

Surprised to hear this comment SOCO. "I guess it boils down to, if you aren't doing anything wrong, why the worry about cameras watching you." First this sounds word for word what law enforcement world say, and second MMJ is illegal. No one seems to care about personal privacy anymore.

[SoCoMMJ]

And just to clarify.. I really don't endorse the whole camera thing. After meeting with the lawyer tonight going over 80 pages of proposed retarded MMC rules, I think 97% of all that is an unnecessary crock of hoooey.

Besides, who wants to spend 50k+ on a video system as defined by the state when you could build your own similar security camera system for a couple grand.

Not sure even why they would want to record patient transactions anyways. They would only be interested if patients were surfing multiple MMCs to resell to the black market is my guess. But how are they going to see that on video?

I guess I'm just saying that you don't have as much privacy now as you think you might. This is just another one of those instances.

[SoCoMMJ]

I do believe there are ways the DoR can enforce its mandate to regulate MMCs without filming purchases.

I agree. And as I mentioned earlier, previously the DOR had in the draft rules that the transaction be placed in a 12x12 area with red card, ID, and scale image of product being sold. I believe that requirement was dropped in favor of just a long view of the counter, as in a security view. No audio. But I can't confirm that since they pulled down the current version of the rules.

Due to the nature of the business, there would ALWAYS be cameras regardless of DOR mandate. But they would be placed and aligned as SECURITY cameras, not transactional recordings.

Remember, by just entering a dispensary, you have already breached your own privacy by presenting your Red Card and ID.

This whole mess really sucks, but it's better than a non med state.

[DenverRelief]

Matt Cook stated at the recent House Committee session that the most commented on piece of the new regulations was in regards to privacy. While he made no specific mention of what is to come, he definitely hinted that the proposed rules would be changing in favor of the patient.

I know that new proposed rules regarding the privacy issue were recently submitted to the DOR. These proposed rules removed the videotaping of the entire patient visit and suggested a single still photo upon entering the premises which could be cross referenced with time stamping of purchases in the POS.

These proposed rules were submitted by some of the members of the DOR rule making committee.

[DenverRelief]

SoCo, it hasn't been dropped yet. Final rules will be out shortly. Compliance Officers begin on 3/1 and Enforcement Officers begin on 7/1.

[Colodonmed]

I do believe that MM centers do provide a service to folks that need them. I am not against free enterprise for anybody, however I am against patients confidentiality being thrown to the wind so the centers can provide their service. Yes, I do understand that the centers are in a jam when it comes to state vs. federal laws and that will only be settled by time I suppose. My whole argument comes from the feeling I get that since the mmc's are taking a big risk that the patients privacy should not matter. Bullshit! You argue that cameras are everywhere, and for the most part that is true, But when you go to an establishment that has cameras you are not required to taped from the time you APPROACH the establishment, throughout your time while in the place, then you certainly do not put your ID card down next to your items you are purchasing to have a video record of your purchase. Tell me where that happens? My issue is not that I am worried the man is coming down on me for buying my medicine, my issue is the erosion of my privacy and that should be a concern to all. I suppose if I had invested money into the mmc side of things I would be lobbying hard for any type of regulation to help my business be successfull and I do believe that is what is happenning here. The comments that are coming out show where mmcs hearts are. We, the patients are being treated like criminals when we have the legal right to participate in the procurement and ingestion of our medicine. Why should we be " okay " with being treated as criminals. The town I live in has banned mmcs and while I personally do not have a dog in the fight, I do believe it is wrong for a select group of individuals to decide amongst themselves to ban another individual from opening a legitimate business because they don't think it would be a good thing to have that kind of store in our town. But the same individuals at the same time approved alcohol taste testing at the liquor stores in town. Again, the patients are being treated as though we are doing something wrong and must be kept on a leash with more rules and the potential to be monitored in a real time instance. Like I said, I do believe that the centers do serve a good purpose, I just hate to see the centers allowing the rights of patients to be eroded away for their profit.

[rudy2010]

I believe most of the Nazi rules enforced at Organicann in Santa Rosa are a direct result of rules created by the city allowing them to continue to operate in the city of Santa Rosa. I believe the clubs are doing whatever they have to do to be able to continue to do business. However I have gone to other clubs in Santa Rosa who do not have the same strict set of rules. It is possible that Organicann is trying to go beyond the city regs to keep the locals off their backs. Messing with patients rights to a degree that is not necessary.

Once I got my license I conceded that the local, state and federal law enforcement agencies are privy to that information and may very well come back to use it against me one day. This is why I resisted getting my license for years and years even through a few droughts when going to the club and making a donation to receive some buds was very tempting. It took the choppers hovering over my plants and visibly counting them that prompted me to get the license.

Once you have the license whether you go to the club or not does not make any difference. You are already on the list. All it takes is another attorney general like Asscrotch and your rights are trampled. He sent Tommy Chong to jail for glass pipes.

[Colodonmed]

Agree, once I got my redcard I was on the list too. It took me quite awhile to make that decision to get on the list and truthfully I only did it to keep my name out of the local paper for my family's sake should I run up against the law, at least I felt that with the confidientality of the registry that I was afforded some degree of protection. I have since had second thoughts. Regardless, that is not my reason for asking the question to begin with. It is all about the erosion of our ( yes ALL of OUR ) rights.

When I go to my Dr. and it is suggested that I try a medication that may help my condition and that happens to be a controlled substance and I go to the pharmacy to obtain the prescription, I am not treated like a criminal to get the medication. Period. There may be cameras, but they are for the security of the pharmacy in case of robbery etc..., not to capture my transaction in case I should decide to go out and sell my prescription. They don't give a rats ass about me, it is for their protection to identify someone that takes from them. Do you think big pharma would stand by and let their customers be treated like criminals for buying their products. Hell no they would not, nor would the liquor industry stand for similar regulations. They would flobby the hell out of the government to protect the PRIVACY of their customers. But the MMC's seem to be willing to throw away whatever of their patients rights so they can continue to operate and make money. I don't have a problem with them or anyone else making money, that is the name of the game, just don't trample on the rights of your customers to do it! If it is this way for MMJ then let's make it this way for any product that you must have a prescription for or be a certain age to obtain. I wonder if the elected officials would be so happy to have their transactions videotaped, OH WAIT did we not just see how one of them acted when he was on camera negotiating with a MMC owner, then tore up his amendment when he was caught on VIDEO. Guess they would not care too much for their privacy to be stripped away either, and that happenned in a public forum. It is all about your rights being taken away from you so that others may profit.

[SoCoMMJ]

You argue that cameras are everywhere, and for the most part that is true, But when you go to an establishment that has cameras you are not required to taped from the time you APPROACH the establishment, throughout your time while in the place, then you certainly do not put your ID card down next to your items you are purchasing to have a video record of your purchase. Tell me where that happens?

Bought any Claritin-D lately for you allergies? Yeah, it happened there. Not only do they have a video record at the pharmacy, they also have sent that transaction to a central database that every other pharmacy in the state is linked into.

Again I'm not saying that I endorse it, I'm just saying it's already being done. Honestly, I hate this shit more than most. But it is what it is, and still better than a non med state.

BTW, it's not the evil dispensaries pushing for this. I hate when people throw that crap out there. It's the state requiring it. Why do you even remotely consider that a dispensary would want this? That statement defies logic.

Have you noticed how many dispensaries are closing their doors due to the "profits" ?

[rudy2010]

I don't consider my license as anything more than an argument if I end up having to go to court. It will just make the lawyers job a little easier.

I did get profiled in Santa Rosa driving my truck down the highway with an old tarp covering a big load of camp gear. A local cop pulled us over and said he smelled marijuana. He took my daughter who was driving aside and asked her if we had weed. She told him that we had 1/8 in the cab. He had a dog in his car so she figured he smelled it and copped to the eigth being in the cab even though it was more like an ounce. He asked if she had a license and if I had a license and if we could produce them. She said yes and that we could produce them. The cop asked her if he could look under the tarp and she started to take it off so he said that it was OK and asked to talk to me. She told me real quick that she said we had an eigth so when he asked I told him we had an eigth and I don't know how he could smell such a small amount driving down the freeway. He asked me if he could look under the tarp and I started taking it off. He stopped me and said we were too willing to let him look and we could go. He never asked to see the eigth in the cab or our licenses. We had about 2 lbs under the tarp.

So I think having the license was of value in that particular case.

It is so sad that we give up our rights so easily. Just watch the movie 1984 or read the book to see how bad having cameras everywhere can be. Pretty soon you won't be able to pick your nose or scratch your ass without having it all on camera. Big brother is not just coming he is being welcomed with open arms.

[Colodonmed]

SOCOMMJ, thanks for the response. I hope you believe me when I state this...We are on the same side here. I hope your center thrives, I hope you are able to provide for your family and your employees families. I hope that you will continue to provide a quality product for your customer base, that is what it is all about. That is what is so great about this country and I don't want to see it TAKEN from any of us. I did not know about the claritin -d, and if that is true then we ALL should be up in arms over that as well. And I do believe you when you say you hate this shit more than most. I can understand that when you pour everything into your business and it is threatened, I do understand and wish you the dest. But I do disagree with you on the point you make " BTW it's not the evil dispensaries pushing for this ", as I am aware of lobbyists that work for different sides of the issue. Maybe your center does not retain the services of a lobbying group, but it is OBVIOUS that some mmcs do and they have them fighting tooth and nail for regulation that ultimatley is going to trample all of our rights, not just mine, but ALL. There does need to be regulation, there does not need to be a total disregard for a patients privacy. By the way, the centers that are for this in my opinion have the real goal of controlling this market and I would venture to state that they don't give a crap about your center, I believe it is their goal to put their competition ( you ) out of business just as fast as they possibly can. They want it all, they do not want the caregiver model, they don't want patients to be able to grow their own, they want to control it and revel in it. Why out of the clear blue does the state DOR now want any patient that is growing their own medicine to now declare where they are growing. Why?

To just shrug your shoulders and say " the cameras are everywhere " or whatever and just accept the invasion of privacy is not ok with me. Like I said, we are on the same side here, I want patients to have unrestricted access to the medicine that helps so many people, but I don't feel that giving away our rights to get it is acceptable, period. The mmcs that want to stomp on my privacy to survive can kiss my ass.

And no I really have not noticed how many dispensaries are closing the doors due to their profits, I suppose many more will close due to the proposed legislation because I think that quite a few patients are going to stop acquiring their medicine if the new law passes and privacy is out the window. The ones that survive will most likely in my opinion be the ones with the monetary power to keep paying their lobby groups to fine tune the law for THEM and them alone.

I really truly hope your center is one that can stay open, I have never read on any forums anything negative about your center that I recall, and you seem to come across at least to me on most of your postings that you DO CARE about US, and for that I say thank you!!

[porone]

Very well said.Many of us feel the same as you do.This thread got a little bit hi jacked .It would be interesting to see what percent felt the way we do

[Colodonmed]

Very well said.Many of us feel the same as you do.This thread got a little bit hi jacked .It would be interesting to see what percent felt the way we do
Thank you Porone, I too am curious about the numbers.

[copobo]

I've weighed in on other threads, but yea, I'm done with the commercial model due to the regs already in place, and the ones they are trying to pass.

Article IV all the way.

[canaguy27]

Where do you go that doesn't have cameras?


Every time you go to Wal-Mart to buy Tampons and Cheetos you are on video.


Bought any Claritin-D lately for you allergies? Yeah, it happened there. Not only do they have a video record at the pharmacy, they also have sent that transaction to a central database that every other pharmacy in the state is linked into.

These are not wal mart cameras. They are VEGAS QUALITY ZOOM IN SEE EVERYTHING CAMERAS. Your purchases will be tracked and databased. They will know how much and how often you buy. If a red flag goes up, who do you think comes to see you.

Claritin-D is not a schedule 1 drug. A change of the presidency or mood and the DEA dog gets unleashed. Who do you think they will have on a SILVER PLATTER?

The failure of MMCs to protect patients will be one more nail in the coffin that will put most out of business. No one I know is renewing his or her card again. I know a dozen MMCs that are gone and a couple dozen more that will be gone in a few months.

Josh Stanley and his lobbyist thugs are coming after caregivers now with their zoning laws etc. If I were you, I would distance myself from any database.

[Dietblonde]

If I were a dispensary owner I would want cameras in my establishment for the simple reason that it deters theft (by patient and employee) and helps prevent robberies.

If you have a MMC that doesn't have basic security measures, you are certainly more susceptible to robberies. As an owner, you should provide a safe establishment to protect both the patients and your employees.

[canaguy27]

If I were a dispensary owner I would want cameras in my establishment for the simple reason that it deters theft (by patient and employee) and helps prevent robberies.

If you have a MMC that doesn't have basic security measures, you are certainly more susceptible to robberies. As an owner, you should provide a safe establishment to protect both the patients and your employees.

Agreed...But these new cameras will be accessible by the DOR and whoever else they are giving them to.

A closed circuit camera system that records over itself is a whole lot different than one shared via an ip address to whoever has or can get the code.

Nice to see you back posting btw.

[SoCoMMJ]

A change of the presidency or mood and the DEA dog gets unleashed. Who do you think they will have on a SILVER PLATTER?

Even the feds are not stupid enough to take the press generated by hassling patients. I'm pretty sure they won't be bothering with simple possession cases. Dispensary owners will be the ones going down the river for felony sales and felony possession if the DEA kicks in. The volumes of sales recorded would put them away for a long long time. You think you are afraid as a patient? Try recording numerous federal charges every single day, then keeping a minimum of 40 days worth of tapes on file.


The failure of MMCs to protect patients will be one more nail in the coffin that will put most out of business.

I don't think that the dispensaries are in a position to do so. Sure we can [and do] voice our opinions regarding these issues from both a business standpoint and that of privacy. However we are not many voices. Patients have many 1,000 times more voices than the dispensaries do. Use them and speak up. We have nothing to gain from excessive regulation. Why do you continue to believe that we support this retarded crap that the political front belches up ?

Are you attending the activist boot camps available throughout the state this weekend? I'm too busy is the wrong answer.

[Dietblonde]

Agreed...But these new cameras will be accessible by the DOR and whoever else they are giving them to.

A closed circuit camera system that records over itself is a whole lot different than one shared via an ip address to whoever has or can get the code.

Nice to see you back posting btw.



Oh, thanks! I've been a lurker for the past few months. I love these boards! So many interesting opinions and passionate people.

[TheReleafCenter]

These are not wal mart cameras. They are VEGAS QUALITY ZOOM IN SEE EVERYTHING CAMERAS. Your purchases will be tracked and databased. They will know how much and how often you buy. If a red flag goes up, who do you think comes to see you.

Claritin-D is not a schedule 1 drug. A change of the presidency or mood and the DEA dog gets unleashed. Who do you think they will have on a SILVER PLATTER?

The failure of MMCs to protect patients will be one more nail in the coffin that will put most out of business. No one I know is renewing his or her card again. I know a dozen MMCs that are gone and a couple dozen more that will be gone in a few months.

Josh Stanley and his lobbyist thugs are coming after caregivers now with their zoning laws etc. If I were you, I would distance myself from any database.

I get that people may be concerned about information getting leaked to their insurance company or employer, but I can't help but laugh at people who think the "DEA dog" will come after them for their MMJ purchases. I'm sorry if that comes off as insensitive, I just don't understand it.

The failure of MMCs to protect patients? What about the failure of caregivers to protect patients? Or the failure of patients to protect themselves?

They hear from us all day, every day.

Patients and caregivers?

Not so much.



Agreed...But these new cameras will be accessible by the DOR and whoever else they are giving them to.

A closed circuit camera system that records over itself is a whole lot different than one shared via an ip address to whoever has or can get the code.

This is just riddled with inaccuracies. Visit the DoR website (http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/Rev-Enforcement/RE/1251575119584), they have a lot of answers for you.

[canaguy27]

I don't think that the dispensaries are in a position to do so.

Are you attending the activist boot camps available throughout the state this weekend? I'm too busy is the wrong answer.

Does CMMR of MMIG mean anything to you. I know you are from the South, but those groups constructed 1284, 109, and 1043, etc. So you do have a say.

I publish the only patient focused magazine in the state. We offer a FREE OUTLET to PATIENTS AND BUSINESSES to share their story. Oh and I do attend quite a few meetings, and I also visit 50+ dispensaries a month. Plus the magazine is delivered to the state capitol and put in all of the state reps and senator's boxes.

[canaguy27]

This is just riddled with inaccuracies. Visit the DoR website (http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/Rev-Enforcement/RE/1251575119584), they have a lot of answers for you.

This is just an excerpt from the link you posted. Look around page 50 + and - a few pages

c. A single fixed camera shall be placed above each point of sale location, allowing for the clear and certain identification of the transacting individual and related identification. A single fixed camera shall be placed above each point of sale location, allowing for the recording and recognition of any transacting individualâ??s identification and any medical marijuana removed from the premises. This will be accomplished by temporarily placing the authorized identification, and registry card in a 12â?� x 12â?� area on the counter top, where they will be captured from the above mounted camera. In addition, all medical marijuana shall be placed on an Department of Agriculture approved and calibrated weight scale so that the amount removed from the licensed premises may by captured from the above mounted camera.

Here is a blip of the ip camera stuff:

Static IP address and port or a web based application with a user name and password control is required to allow for remote connection to the DVR/NVR(s).

The MMED must have full control capability over camera operation over all other remote access service equipment located outside of the surveillance room.

Furthermore, caregivers were protecting patients just fine before the MMCs started this mess.

[Colodonmed]

This is just an excerpt from the link you posted. Look around page 50 + and - a few pages


Here is a blip of the ip camera stuff:


Furthermore, caregivers were protecting patients just fine before the MMCs started this mess.

Now thats exactly what I am talking about!:thumbsup:

[copobo]

it's interesting that MMCs who stood behind regulation are annoyed at the patients for having problems with privacy concerns.

You HAD to figure this would effect sales! THAT, and you have caregivers and patients STILL growing and MMCs doing 70/30. Welcome to the mutha fucken glut!

just wait till the patient collectives start forming. the MMC model will fail with all the regs and fees, except for good old Josh and his kind.

[HighPopalorum]

I doubt patient privacy concerns annoy MMCs. They stand to save money if the rule is discarded. I'm putting words in their mouths, but I imagine they prefer this rule (and most others) to simply disappear.

[jamessr]

Agree, once I got my redcard I was on the list too. It took me quite awhile to make that decision to get on the list and truthfully I only did it to keep my name out of the local paper for my family's sake should I run up against the law, at least I felt that with the confidientality of the registry that I was afforded some degree of protection. I have since had second thoughts. Regardless, that is not my reason for asking the question to begin with. It is all about the erosion of our ( yes ALL of OUR ) rights.

When I go to my Dr. and it is suggested that I try a medication that may help my condition and that happens to be a controlled substance and I go to the pharmacy to obtain the prescription, I am not treated like a criminal to get the medication. Period. There may be cameras, but they are for the security of the pharmacy in case of robbery etc..., not to capture my transaction in case I should decide to go out and sell my prescription. They don't give a rats ass about me, it is for their protection to identify someone that takes from them. Do you think big pharma would stand by and let their customers be treated like criminals for buying their products. Hell no they would not, nor would the liquor industry stand for similar regulations. They would flobby the hell out of the government to protect the PRIVACY of their customers. But the MMC's seem to be willing to throw away whatever of their patients rights so they can continue to operate and make money. I don't have a problem with them or anyone else making money, that is the name of the game, just don't trample on the rights of your customers to do it! If it is this way for MMJ then let's make it this way for any product that you must have a prescription for or be a certain age to obtain. I wonder if the elected officials would be so happy to have their transactions videotaped, OH WAIT did we not just see how one of them acted when he was on camera negotiating with a MMC owner, then tore up his amendment when he was caught on VIDEO. Guess they would not care too much for their privacy to be stripped away either, and that happenned in a public forum. It is all about your rights being taken away from you so that others may profit.


You are 100% on point with the above. Thank you.:thumbsup::cool:

[canaguy27]

just wait till the patient collectives start forming. the MMC model will fail with all the regs and fees, except for good old Josh and his kind.

It is already failing.

Josh at budding health is already selling $175 ounces!!! His ad is westword last week said he had 50 pounds to get rid of at deep discounts. Wholesale has dropped below 2k and in some areas 1500.

It is only a matter of time before MMCs start dropping like flies.

Relief and SoCo are some of the better ones; I just hope they can weather the storm.

[Zedleppelin]

I get that people may be concerned about information getting leaked to their insurance company or employer, but I can't help but laugh at people who think the "DEA dog" will come after them for their MMJ purchases. I'm sorry if that comes off as insensitive, I just don't understand it.

The failure of MMCs to protect patients? What about the failure of caregivers to protect patients? Or the failure of patients to protect themselves?

They hear from us all day, every day.

Patients and caregivers?

Not so much.




You know why that is? Because caregivers don't want their door busted in at 5 oclock in the morning and their house destroyed by some drug swat team because they happened to be the voice of caregivers in general. Caregivers are an easy target by cops and criminals as we have witnessed many times.

[HighPopalorum]

It is already failing.

Josh at budding health is already selling $175 ounces!!! His ad is westword last week said he had 50 pounds to get rid of at deep discounts. Wholesale has dropped below 2k and in some areas 1500.

Something tells me you're a grower. ;) From the patient's perspective $175 marijuana looks like anything but a failure. Frankly, to me, it looks like the miracle I've been waiting for my entire life.

[jamessr]

Something tells me you're a grower. ;) From the patient's perspective $175 marijuana looks like anything but a failure. Frankly, to me, it looks like the miracle I've been waiting for my entire life.

Wow the profit margin dropped out of the market value.. :cool:

Now put it under the state pharmacies regime like regular meds are..;)

When they do this, it become so obvious an HERB can't be regulated under those "specific" guidelines ..Hence, Herbs are not of the type of substances a pharmacy sells nor regulates.

What is all this regulation about then ?? If the chief LEO of the state doesn't enforce HERBS..:wtf: And I am the crazy one..?

[canaguy27]

Something tells me you're a grower. ;) From the patient's perspective $175 marijuana looks like anything but a failure. Frankly, to me, it looks like the miracle I've been waiting for my entire life.

Nope. Not worth the hassle. It will only go lower. I feel bad for the people that are about to lose their asses.

[senorx12562]

Wow the profit margin dropped out of the market value.. :cool:

Now put it under the state pharmacies regime like regular meds are..;)

When they do this, it become so obvious an HERB can't be regulated under those "specific" guidelines ..Hence, Herbs are not of the type of substances a pharmacy sells nor regulates.

What is all this regulation about then ?? If the chief LEO of the state doesn't enforce HERBS..:wtf: And I am the crazy one..?
Yes.

[HighPopalorum]

Nope. Not worth the hassle. It will only go lower. I feel bad for the people that are about to lose their asses.

Sorry. I assumed you were a grower because you own a $1500 trimmer. My bad.

[copobo]

You know why that is? Because caregivers don't want their door busted in at 5 oclock in the morning and their house destroyed by some drug swat team because they happened to be the voice of caregivers in general. Caregivers are an easy target by cops and criminals as we have witnessed many times.

thank you, that covers it nicely.

[copobo]

Sorry. I assumed you were a grower because you own a $1500 trimmer. My bad.

I would not be surprised at all at a patient with arthritis or nerve damage kicking an investment to make trimming easier.

[SoCoMMJ]

This discussion is good, and needs it's own thread

I started a new thread called Violating Patient Rights...
Let's continue over there since I've already completely derailed this thread :)

Get this mess out on the table, and maybe we can sort fact from fiction.