IT'S OFFICIAL!!! I-1135

[time4me]

The petitions are on the way to the printer and should be ready in a week or so!
YAY!!!
Legalize in 2011! Yes on I-1135

[gypski]

It really needs to happen. Time for all the games and bs to end and peace take over. :thumbsup:


The petitions are on the way to the printer and should be ready in a week or so!
YAY!!!
Legalize in 2011! Yes on I-1135

[WashougalWonder]

Got a link to read the fine print?

[time4me]

I believe it is posted on the website, www.sensiblewashington.org
Scroll down on the main page, it should be there. There isn't much changed from last year, except for the allowance for the legislature to regulate cuz that was a major complaint and concern last year.
We got our number, but now the petition is in for ballot wording in the AG's office or some crap like that, so printing is NOT being done yet (my bad, got overexcited about the whole thing and about peed my pants for nothing, :wtf:)

[killerweed420]

I guess its time to get my butt busy.lol

[gypski]

The petitions will be available beginning 2/24/11. After I get this legal entanglement I've found myself in, I'm going to hit the bricks and get friends out gathering too. I'm tired of being pushed through the system. Time to walk the walk, not just talk the talk, then sit on one's ass espousing opinions that aren't worth shit. Signing is not enough. Freedom takes action and actual participation, not lip service. :cool:

[hiamps]

Would I be able to have a copy for my customers to sign?

[gypski]

There are instructions on how to get petitions mailed to you on the sensiblewashington web site. You need to send stamped envelops to them and they will send you petitions. Check it out and sign up as many as a person can.!! :thumbsup:


Would I be able to have a copy for my customers to sign?

[hiamps]

Thanks, will do!

[time4me]

hiamps, if you are in the Seattle/Tacoma area you can pick up the petitions. Otherwise you will want to mail in for them if you want them right away. I am thinking about going up there if I feel well enough, so I may be able to pick some up for the southwest part of the state. I just won't know until we get closer to the 24th.

[gypski]

I'm going to make a pledge right now because I'm so tired of the legal bs concerning cannabis, that right after my Oregon legal bs is resolved, I'm going to go out and get at least 1000 signatures. I won't be easy, but in 1996 in Idaho while a grad student (I can be open now that I'm out in the open) just doing thesis hours and research, collected 1500 signatures in two weeks, 1300 + valid ($1.00 ea) for a Stop The Nukes initiative that failed.

I want this to pass, and anyone else who is tired of the bs should make a pledge to fill at least one sheet or you ain't walkin' the walk. :twocents:

[jamessr]

I am all for legalization but, are we being duped ?

Please sit down and take a moment and read this article about HEMP and a court case which in legal effect is exactly what the mmj bill covers and the legalization bill covers in one foul swoop.

Please don't take this as a negative input here, cause it is not.. just please educate yourself in exactly what the REAL ramifications of these bills will actually be if they do come into law... some will say this is another state and does not apply.. think again, this was a STATE LEGISLATOR ...

Hemp growers take case to higher authority

Two North Dakota farmers are licensed to grow the legitimate, useful crop but are seeking a court's validation.

By JAMES WALSH, Star Tribune

Last update: November 12, 2008 - 10:41 PM


Pot -- or not pot. That seems to be the question.

Two North Dakota farmers on Wednesday took their battle to grow industrial hemp to the Eighth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in St. Paul, where their attorney argued that hemp is so distinct from marijuana that it should not be subject to federal regulation. At stake, say hemp sellers and would-be farmers, is a potentially booming commodity that would help U.S. growers and consumers alike.

"I get real excited about it because of our economic times. It's a crop that would be very, very lucrative," said Lynn Gordon, owner of the French Meadow Bakery, who attended oral arguments at the U.S. Courthouse in St. Paul. French Meadow makes Healthy Hemp bread, muffins and bagels -- all big sellers, Gordon said -- but must buy its hemp from Canada.

"I pay so much for it now," she said.

Federal law allows the import and sale of non-drug hemp stalk, fiber, oil and seeds in the U.S., saying it is separate from marijuana. In fact, hemp is used in paper, textiles, food and even fuel. But federal law also lumps hemp and marijuana together -- they both are classified as Cannabis sativa L. -- when it comes to growing the plants, making it almost impossible for U.S. farmers to legally raise the crop.

Garrison Courtney, a spokesman for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, the reason for the prohibition is simple -- hemp and marijuana come from the same plant and all parts of the marijuana plant contain some level of THC, the narcotic that produces the "high." THC is a controlled substance under federal law.

"To get hemp, you have to grow a marijuana plant. To grow a marijuana plant, you have to be registered with the DEA," Courtney said.

Still, in 2006, North Dakota put the finishing touches on a law that established the licensing of industrial hemp farms. The law requires the plants to be nearly narcotic-free and establishes strict rules that no other part of the hemp plant -- mainly, the leaves or flowers -- can leave the farm. At the time, the law also required farmers to go to the DEA for a certificate of registration.

David Munson and Wayne Hauge, licensed hemp farmers in North Dakota, did that. Munson, who is also a state legislator, said he paid $2,300 for a DEA permit in February 2007. He's still waiting. A request by North Dakota State University to grow a small hemp crop for research was recently approved after nearly a decade of waiting.

"We needed to get the decision early enough so we could actually get the crop in the ground," Munson said.

In the meantime, the North Dakota Legislature amended its law to no longer require DEA approval. But Hauge and Munson held off planting, saying they have no desire to run afoul of the feds.

"I don't want to risk losing my farm," Munson said.

So the men filed a lawsuit in June 2007, seeking to have the federal courts decide the issue.

Last November, U.S. Chief Judge Daniel Hovland of North Dakota ruled against them, saying: "Industrial hemp may not be the terrible menace the DEA makes it out to be, but industrial hemp is still considered to be a Schedule I controlled substance under the current state of the law in this circuit and throughout the country."

Now, it will be up to the appellate court to decide. A ruling could take months.

Melissa Patterson, a Justice Department attorney, told the judges that the issue shouldn't really be decided by the courts. She said the farmers should first complete the registration process set up by the DEA. After the hearing, Patterson declined to comment further.

Joe Sandler, an attorney for the farmers, urged the appeals court to recognize that with strong state regulations in place, there really is no need for federal oversight of North Dakota-licensed hemp producers.

Hemp advocates say the federal government used to encourage hemp production. It should do so again, Gordon said.

"It really is a wonder crop," she said, touting its diversity of uses and high nutritional value. "But I think the real answer is going to be Congress saying 'Hey, it's okay.'"

Munson said he just wants to legally grow a crop that would be healthy for his fields -- and his bottom line.

North Dakota farmers have been battling wheat scab, he said. Planting hemp -- a hearty plant that needs little attention -- into his rotation of wheat, barley and sunflowers would help. It would also mean about $800 per acre in gross income, a nice number for the 10 acres he has planned.

James Walsh â?¢ 612-673-7428

If you wish to see the court ruling, please go the the legal section.:(

or here: Vote Hemp: Information: Legal Cases: North Dakota (http://www.votehemp.com/legal_cases_ND.html)

[time4me]

James, many of us are well aware that passing I-1135 is just the beginning of the fight with the feds, but it is also the beginning of the end of prohibition. We cannot change all of what is messing up our country all at once, but this is a good place to start. Please stop being so negative. I know you were out there working your butt off for this last year, at least a couple of times. Get back on the bandwagon and let's get this party started!
Legalize in 2011! YES on I-1135!

[jamessr]

James, many of us are well aware that passing I-1135 is just the beginning of the fight with the feds, but it is also the beginning of the end of prohibition. We cannot change all of what is messing up our country all at once, but this is a good place to start. Please stop being so negative. I know you were out there working your butt off for this last year, at least a couple of times. Get back on the bandwagon and let's get this party started!
Legalize in 2011! YES on I-1135!

well time I do respect your input here my dear but, As I pointed out above.. please don't think I am being negative...

I after getting educated a bit.. i.e. ignorance of the law is no excuse.. I began seeing the real light beyond the haze..

Here is an example of what I mean by haze..

In wa. state we have a board of pharmacy with specific rules for scheduling drugs.. right? right.

So steve sarich and a few others file a petition to reschedule cannabis..in 2009 a hearing happens and the Assistant Attorney General puts on the record in an administrative hearing that cannabis is not a drug but AN HERB not regulated by the BOP, because it is not of the type of substance sold in a pharmacy.. o.k...

So if cannabis is an HERB not regulated by the BOP... whom is it regulated by then ?? which agency ??

The legislature is not an agency but, a body of 3 total.... our legislature Put the BOP in charge of scheduling all regulated DRUGS... This is in the controlled substance act...

In otherwords, why is their legislation being put forth again ?? If the AG office claims it's an HERB... and they enforce the UCSA... what are they enforcing again ? a substance they themselves acknowledge is an HERB, not a regulated controlled substance any state agency has authority over.. i.e. what is their jurisdiction to file complaints against any citizen for ??

see the haze ?? regardless of the words in the UCSA, the chief executive law enforcement office of the state in which our constitution allows them to charge for public offenses.. they themselves have admitted in an administrative hearing without any appeal as to the decision.. IT IS AN HERB...

Please have someone you know or yourself, find any statute in which shows the state legislature has deemed an herb for any executive branch authority over to bring forth any criminal process in a court of law...

So is this legislation to legalize an HERB or a SCHEDULE 1 CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE??;) See it yet ??

[time4me]

But we are talking I-1135 in this thread James. We are talking about ending cannabis prohibition. It needs to happen to this wonderful herb/plant/holisitic med. Then some other changes need to happen, but that's for a future time and thread. We'll get there. Maybe not what's left of my lifetime, but damned if I am gonna sit by and just let them stomp us into the ground.
Legalize in 2011! YES on I-1135

[jamessr]

But we are talking I-1135 in this thread James. We are talking about ending cannabis prohibition. It needs to happen to this wonderful herb/plant/holisitic med. Then some other changes need to happen, but that's for a future time and thread. We'll get there. Maybe not what's left of my lifetime, but damned if I am gonna sit by and just let them stomp us into the ground.
Legalize in 2011! YES on I-1135

Time it's o.k., you do what you need to do in your heart in your time on our planet, and I am going to do mine... I respect your thought of how you feel about legalization.. and would agree totally but, what are we legalizing first !!

AN HERB OR A SCHEDULE 1 CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE ??

Makes a big difference in the big scheme of things time... if only they was honest with us would anyone see clearly what I am specifically narrowing in on here.

Why do we need to legalize an herb the attorney generals office admits is not a schedule 1 controlled substance under state law...AND NEVER HAS BEEN CONSIDERED A SCHEDULE 1 CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE UNDER OUR REGULATING REGIME..

So if it is not already a public offense, why do we need legislation making it legal then??

Something is not right here with this picture at all Time... why legalize and herb already considered legal by head LEO himself, under state law that is... feds should already not be involved under our chief LEO claims...10th amendment my dear.;)

So again, for whom is this going to benefit again?? The case above says THE FEDS, not we the people...

[BurningLizard]

We are not legalizing anything, we are decriminalizing Cannabis by simply cutting the laws out of the books. Reversing prohibition. Giving cannabis the legal status of my front lawn (if your over 18).

[time4me]

Thank you BL!
Simply put for a simple initiative.
Free the plant.
Yes on I-1135!

[gypski]

That is more like the truth, many cultures frowned upon the use of nature's healers, but none have taken it to the extremes we have. In recorded history, the most terrible punishments and persecutions surrounding the use of nature's natural healers and aids, cannabis, opium poppy, coca leaf to name just a few, have occurred during our lifetime.

It's we boomers, in our quest for a better life against the machine, that set off the drug revolution and the war on drugs. Our rebellion against the same recurring governmental bs, as we have now, brought the adult (sic) response........we all know what it was...lives and opportunities destroyed over plants so the machine can kill us, use us a sheep, drugs are on the TV, newspapers, internet, Ipod, everywhere. They are poisons being peddled for all kinds of bullshit ailments by the machine. And only the machine can decide what is right for us....ha, ha, ha :S2:

Dismantle the machine. Toss in the monkey wrench from the inside!!! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-O3kYrDPbI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxk3c_SbWMg


We are not legalizing anything, we are decriminalizing Cannabis by simply cutting the laws out of the books. Reversing prohibition. Giving cannabis the legal status of my front lawn (if your over 18).

[killerweed420]

We all know that state legalization is just the first step and is the easiest step. federally its still a long journey. But it could all be made so much easier if we just make our governors and legislatures to obey both the federal constitution and our state constitution. There is nothing illegal about growing and selling this product as long as it doesn't cross state lines. The feds have no constitutional jurisdiction, but that never stops them because we have yet to have a governor or a state attorney to obey his oath that they gave when they were elected to these offices. The 10th Amendment allows states to do whatever they want within there state boundaries as long as they don't violate the constitution or bill of rights. See anything in the constitution or bill of rights that says hemp is illegal? No, because its outside the boundaries of the constitution and is there for given to the people and the states to decide.
All it requires is our governor to obey her oath of office.
Look at whats to Obamacare. Its being struck down because it violates the constitution. You had 25 or 30 state attorneys that stepped forward and stated they would have to fight this on constitutional grounds. Even in our own state where the governor tried to order the attorney to stop the lawsuit.

[gypski]

Summing up what you are saying in my mind, the law is unconstitutional from the beginning, passed under false pretenses to aid corporations in the chemical, paper, petroleum, and pharmaceutical industries. A total usurpation of individual rights that are inalienable given under the 1st Amendment. I'll buy that. :thumbsup:


We all know that state legalization is just the first step and is the easiest step. federally its still a long journey. But it could all be made so much easier if we just make our governors and legislatures to obey both the federal constitution and our state constitution. There is nothing illegal about growing and selling this product as long as it doesn't cross state lines. The feds have no constitutional jurisdiction, but that never stops them because we have yet to have a governor or a state attorney to obey his oath that they gave when they were elected to these offices. The 10th Amendment allows states to do whatever they want within there state boundaries as long as they don't violate the constitution or bill of rights. See anything in the constitution or bill of rights that says hemp is illegal? No, because its outside the boundaries of the constitution and is there for given to the people and the states to decide.
All it requires is our governor to obey her oath of office.
Look at whats to Obamacare. Its being struck down because it violates the constitution. You had 25 or 30 state attorneys that stepped forward and stated they would have to fight this on constitutional grounds. Even in our own state where the governor tried to order the attorney to stop the lawsuit.

[jamessr]

We are not legalizing anything, we are decriminalizing Cannabis by simply cutting the laws out of the books. Reversing prohibition. Giving cannabis the legal status of my front lawn (if your over 18).

Repealing UCSA in respects to the substance Cannabis L. Sativa in Wa. ? Is not decriminalizing anything.;)

You will see.:D

[killerweed420]

Summing up what you are saying in my mind, the law is unconstitutional from the beginning, passed under false pretenses to aid corporations in the chemical, paper, petroleum, and pharmaceutical industries. A total usurpation of individual rights that are inalienable given under the 1st Amendment. I'll buy that. :thumbsup:

Thats it. The feds have no jurisdiction. They keep trying to claim that right through the constitutions commerce clause, but that does not stand a constitutional challenge. The commerce clause is specific. Its only for moderating commodities that cross state lines and it was never designed to regulate anything. It was to arbitrate difficulties between 2 or more states to allow free commerce.
Its really a mess and our best hope is for a financial collapse of the country so that we can go back and fix these issues. As long as multi national corporations are spending billions of dollars on buying our congressmen it will never change.
Greed is god and the only God in AMerica.

[gypski]

I'm with ya. That is what they used to deny Raich. :thumbsup:


Thats it. The feds have no jurisdiction. They keep trying to claim that right through the constitutions commerce clause, but that does not stand a constitutional challenge. The commerce clause is specific. Its only for moderating commodities that cross state lines and it was never designed to regulate anything. It was to arbitrate difficulties between 2 or more states to allow free commerce.
Its really a mess and our best hope is for a financial collapse of the country so that we can go back and fix these issues. As long as multi national corporations are spending billions of dollars on buying our congressmen it will never change.
Greed is god and the only God in AMerica.

[jamessr]

I'm with ya. That is what they used to deny Raich. :thumbsup:

The actual kernel to raich was dronabinaol..i.e. marinol.. A SYNTHETIC COMPOUND

They just used the excuse of the commerce clause to cover their deceit. Seems common in politics...

Tis one scheme and artifice they think they got away with.. we shall see in the coming years how that worked out for them.:D

[killerweed420]

And as we're slowly finding out is the commerce clause does not apply to all these issues. We now have states that have legalized large caliber rifles, and silencers and other things because they know the feds have no legal authority to legislate these things based on the commerce clause. The ATF is a completely illegal, unconstitutional organization.
I wish the 10th Amendment drive would have started decades ago because I fear we're running out of time.
Being a Libertarian for over 30 years the Constitution and Bill of Rights have always had an important meaning to me because that is the platform on which Libertarianism resides. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights is the law of the land. If its not in there then its left up to the individual states or people to deal with.

[jamessr]

And as we're slowly finding out is the commerce clause does not apply to all these issues. We now have states that have legalized large caliber rifles, and silencers and other things because they know the feds have no legal authority to legislate these things based on the commerce clause. The ATF is a completely illegal, unconstitutional organization.
I wish the 10th Amendment drive would have started decades ago because I fear we're running out of time.
Being a Libertarian for over 30 years the Constitution and Bill of Rights have always had an important meaning to me because that is the platform on which Libertarianism resides. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights is the law of the land. If its not in there then its left up to the individual states or people to deal with.

My mothers family came here from a foreign land to embrace the U.S. Const... so I feel your depth.

Back on track now..

I would love to see us all benefit from Honest services from our government in our initiative [ legislative body rights] to respect the laws of the people, since they carry our name on their sleeves. and in their WALLETS!! Not to mention their mortgages.

[jamessr]

Has anyone ever considered a state tax act ? lol.

Didn't we go through the same type of prohibition under 1937 tax act ? Only federal like? Now we are going to especially vote in a state one... with the guise of it is a different color painted with a different brush??:wtf:

I want clarity before I sign my name to anything... Contract law folks, contract law. A public contract at that, between US and THEM.. us being we the people in which our trustee' owe loyalty to US.. not their self-serving interests.

Them, the trio... The Supreme Court of Wa. dba The state of Wa....;)

[killerweed420]

I would always be in favor of a sales tax system over an income tax system Just because sales taxes are voluntary, income taxes are not. I would feel the same way about a national sales tax. Shut down the income tax system and go to sales tax and I wouldn't care if the tax rate was at 50%, i would still prefer the sales tax because its voluntary.

[time4me]

Okay, are you going to sign the petition or not, James? Stop making things so complicated. We need to work on this one step at a time. Wisconsin is fighting their governor right now, and people are watching closely. They will also be watching the feds really closing when we get this passed. Let's quit bitching and quoting law and spend some of that energy to get this on the ballot and get is passed. Join us, or get out of the way, cuz we are going for broke (most of us already are, lol). This is as good a place to start as any, and we have the backing and we are gonna do it. We'll fight the feds when we are done.

[jamessr]

Okay, are you going to sign the petition or not, James? Stop making things so complicated. We need to work on this one step at a time. Wisconsin is fighting their governor right now, and people are watching closely. They will also be watching the feds really closing when we get this passed. Let's quit bitching and quoting law and spend some of that energy to get this on the ballot and get is passed. Join us, or get out of the way, cuz we are going for broke (most of us already are, lol). This is as good a place to start as any, and we have the backing and we are gonna do it. We'll fight the feds when we are done.

Well time, I must say this: I will never follow anyone blowing a flute to run me over the cliff. Nor no I feel you should either.. cause once over that cliff, there ain't no coming back to fight anyone..

We will leave another 50+ yrs for our kids to figure it out.. cause by this time it will be way to late...

Like I said, I will sign when I am given clarity of are we balloting an HERB OR A SCHEDULE 1 CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE? It makes a big difference to me and it should to you also... DON'T WALK AROUND IN LIFE BLINDED BY WHAT THEY TELL YOU... 99.99% OF THE TIME, THEY ARE FULL OF SHIT !!

SO AGAIN, ARE WE SIGNING A PETITION TO REPEAL AN HERB OR A SCHEDULE 1 CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE...

You should really speak with a lawyer about this... I think the answer will shock you.. remember to mention the AG opinion in the 2009 rescheduling petitions. THAT THE AG ADMITTED CANNABIS IS AN HERB WHICH IS NOT THE TYPE OF SUBSTANCES SOLD IN A PHARMACY.

REMEMBER 1 THING, IF YOU REPEAL AN HERB... WE ARE ALL FUCKED !!!!

[time4me]

James, what SW is doing has nothing to do with what you are talking about. I-1135 removes criminal penalties for adults for possessing, growing and using cannabis. It's not about the status of the plant with the BoP, it's about changing the laws regarding the illegality of the plant.
You overthink things quite often, and that muddles things up. There is nothing in the inititiative about which you write, and since the BoP made that distinction they will have no case for objection to the new law now, will they?
KISS, something I learned many years ago in business....Keep It Simple Stupid
Stop trying to make it something that it's not, or something more than it is.
It is a simple initiative.
Please try to stay on topic on my thread from now on. Thanks. Puff, puff, pass

[killerweed420]

It is a very easy intiative to understand as time has stated. It just removes the word cannabis from every law statute in the state. We'll have that for 2 years and then the governor and the legislature will go back to butchering the intiative.

[gypski]

No if the people stand overlooking them. I don't think they'd dare try to back step on the people again. Its time their eyes were opened to the true reality of it all. :thumbsup:


It is a very easy intiative to understand as time has stated. It just removes the word cannabis from every law statute in the state. We'll have that for 2 years and then the governor and the legislature will go back to butchering the intiative.

[time4me]

No if the people stand overlooking them. I don't think they'd dare try to back step on the people again. Its time their eyes were opened to the true reality of it all. :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:
:hippy:

[ionmagic]

hi, everyone.....Sensible Washington (https://sensiblewashington.org/blog/) is an INITIATIVE of the people...in WA, an "initiative of the people" is the way we, the people, have of imposing our desires into our otherwise unresponsive state government. The initiative process is ONE way we have of telling our public servants what we want; and it allows that we have the power to TAKE it if they don't step up.

Systems...every system....is all about give and take and balance among the many parts, but unless we are all (and each) focused on peace, with an intent to achieve harmony among ALL the interest holders....to create a win-win rather than a win-lose scenario, it's all just another form of aggression and war-making. The intiative is about stopping the violence against us, and freeing the plant...about restoring balance.

We, the people, want cannabis freed, and we want restored our freedom of choice to use it, or not. We want the law enforcement and courts systems to back the f off and quit arresting us. We want the right to live our lives, and manage our health and well being, free of government control and opposition. We want the VIOLENCE to stop. We want the plant free.

HOW our gov reacts to the initiative is UNKNOWN. I don't give a crap what they come up with for "after" we pass the inititiative....whether they call it an herb, or a controlled substance...the truth is: it's a PLANT!...and from the moment the initiative is passed, WE, the people, are in the driver's seat.

FREE THE PLANT ....and let's move forward from that place of restoration.

james, i love you dude, I really do, but something about how you express yourself feels so very harsh and angry, and it seems like you look for trouble where there is none, and it seems you keep fishing in still waters for old boots or other unknown and disappointing dangers so that things are always mucked up; and, of course, I would like you to be free of that fear (that's what it is you express...fear)....to become the sovereign you are meant to be, free of the past, confident and assured, safe and protected, free to stand tall and live your life. But, if you choose conflict, well then, that's what you'll experience, and seem to want to spread, so you'll just have to accept that some people are going to avoid or dismiss you, just to avoid that unnecessary energy. Dude, focus on love.

time, i love you, too.....sincerely, and you are a dear friend and you ROCK....you're sick (aren't we all??) and keep coming so close to dying..... and through it all, you stand firm and strong in your convictions: a clear speaking crone doing her part to carry the torch FORWARD for the future. You're awesome!

I will sign the petition again, and again, I will urge others to do so...so that the plant's freedom is restored. Whatever happens from the gov after the initiative passes, and when the chips start falling into place, it will mean ONE thing: we, the people, have spoken, and our government better shape up and LISTEN.

They'll listen. If they don't, then we have a much bigger battle that demand our attention then being afraid of being busted.

puff, puff, pass.....ah, blueberry! puff, puff, pass....ah, Bob Marley!

I've missed you guys....
ion:hippy:

[jamessr]

hi, everyone.....Sensible Washington (https://sensiblewashington.org/blog/) is an INITIATIVE of the people...in WA, an "initiative of the people" is the way we, the people, have of imposing our desires into our otherwise unresponsive state government. The initiative process is ONE way we have of telling our public servants what we want; and it allows that we have the power to TAKE it if they don't step up.

Systems...every system....is all about give and take and balance among the many parts, but unless we are all (and each) focused on peace, with an intent to achieve harmony among ALL the interest holders....to create a win-win rather than a win-lose scenario, it's all just another form of aggression and war-making. The intiative is about stopping the violence against us, and freeing the plant...about restoring balance.

We, the people, want cannabis freed, and we want restored our freedom of choice to use it, or not. We want the law enforcement and courts systems to back the f off and quit arresting us. We want the right to live our lives, and manage our health and well being, free of government control and opposition. We want the VIOLENCE to stop. We want the plant free.

HOW our gov reacts to the initiative is UNKNOWN. I don't give a crap what they come up with for "after" we pass the inititiative....whether they call it an herb, or a controlled substance...the truth is: it's a PLANT!...and from the moment the initiative is passed, WE, the people, are in the driver's seat.

FREE THE PLANT ....and let's move forward from that place of restoration.

james, i love you dude, I really do, but something about how you express yourself feels so very harsh and angry, and it seems like you look for trouble where there is none, and it seems you keep fishing in still waters for old boots or other unknown and disappointing dangers so that things are always mucked up; and, of course, I would like you to be free of that fear (that's what it is you express...fear)....to become the sovereign you are meant to be, free of the past, confident and assured, safe and protected, free to stand tall and live your life. But, if you choose conflict, well then, that's what you'll experience, and seem to want to spread, so you'll just have to accept that some people are going to avoid or dismiss you, just to avoid that unnecessary energy. Dude, focus on love.

time, i love you, too.....sincerely, and you are a dear friend and you ROCK....you're sick (aren't we all??) and keep coming so close to dying..... and through it all, you stand firm and strong in your convictions: a clear speaking crone doing her part to carry the torch FORWARD for the future. You're awesome!

I will sign the petition again, and again, I will urge others to do so...so that the plant's freedom is restored. Whatever happens from the gov after the initiative passes, and when the chips start falling into place, it will mean ONE thing: we, the people, have spoken, and our government better shape up and LISTEN.

They'll listen. If they don't, then we have a much bigger battle that demand our attention then being afraid of being busted.

puff, puff, pass.....ah, blueberry! puff, puff, pass....ah, Bob Marley!

I've missed you guys....
ion:hippy:

Thank you my dear for pointing out I am in the middle of a war zone in defense of our rights.. and as such am a bit bitter as we all are from our experiences of prohibition..

I just manifest it in an unorthodox way.. believe you me though, our political climate understands exactly what I am doing...even tough our community here does not...

Who gets busted for 9.59 grams with a valid authorization and the system uses a non-authorized licensed person to extinguish a patients rights... is this our laws we voted in?? Sorry, wrong !! we voted in that ONLY Dr. LICENSED in WA. may authorize it's use... since when did a non-licensed person enter our mmj laws??

So dealing with the fallout after this initiative is passed... makes me shake my head in disbelief...

Stop and think of the repercussions before we jump this time... I don't want to die without this plant freed for the use of our future children...

Sorry my words are harsh and not very palatable....HONESTLY !!:(

p.s. I LOVE YOU ALSO, PLEASE GIVE ME A CHANCE TO PROVE MY THEORY IS CORRECT BEFORE CONDEMNING ME.

[jamessr]

James, what SW is doing has nothing to do with what you are talking about. I-1135 removes criminal penalties for adults for possessing, growing and using cannabis. It's not about the status of the plant with the BoP, it's about changing the laws regarding the illegality of the plant.
You overthink things quite often, and that muddles things up. There is nothing in the inititiative about which you write, and since the BoP made that distinction they will have no case for objection to the new law now, will they?
KISS, something I learned many years ago in business....Keep It Simple Stupid
Stop trying to make it something that it's not, or something more than it is.
It is a simple initiative.
Please try to stay on topic on my thread from now on. Thanks. Puff, puff, pass

My dear I do understand what your saying about removing the state authority to prosecute us for cannabis use... but, if the prosecuting authority already has acknowledged it is not the type of substance which is illegal i.e. an HERB...in which that authority can be used against any citizen.

If the idea in passing this initiative is to remove the states authority to prosecute, that constitutional officer has already admitted he has no authority to arrest anyone already..

So this initiative does what then ?? I am confused completely here???

What in legal effect to us citizens is this initiative now gives them a 2nd chance to fix their mistake in this admission and come back and make a new law which absolutely denies us all use forever more...

I myself like the HERB interpretation given by the highest authorized prosecuting authority of the state... the plant is free.. leo is the issue under the drug task force contracts...they keep us restrained...

HOPE YOU SUCCEED IN WHAT EVER IT IS YOUR HEART DESIRES.

love ya,

James Sr.

[ionmagic]

" ,,,our political climate understands exactly what I am doing ..."

stop it.
your way sucks.

love,
ion

[time4me]

Good to see you here Ion. It has been too long.
I have been sick, but still going. Some days are tougher than others, but I figure as long as I'm still alive, I've work to do, so this is it for now.
Free the Plant
YES on I-1135!

[ionmagic]

I myself like the HERB interpretation given by the highest authorized prosecuting authority of the state... the plant is free.. leo is the issue under the drug task force contracts...they keep us restrained...

dude, even worse bs is happening in DEPT of AGRICULTURE, and with HERBS and supplements...and GLOBALLY.....so keep your likes underwraps, because there later is much worse than here, now. its the same government, different uniform.

and that's no fight for the righteous, 'cause NOBODY wins.
lo:rasta:ve,
ion

[ionmagic]

thank you, lovely time...i'm delighted you're still pissing LOL. Last time i looked at the sensible wa web, the fineprint for the initiative wasn't posted...i was disappointed, but understood. I'm sure it will be fully posted by the launch date.

i did notice there were some changes in the main part, and i look forward to reading the full document.

Why would anyone in the RIGHT MIND NOT sign it???....every lick of the pen (keyboard), counts...and we all have the same objective: free the plant. I still believe ours is the "front line" in the love to end all "wars on...." whatever.
war is exhausting. "...absolutely nothing..."

james, you spew. I'm sorry to say it in public, love, I'm asking you to please stop it. (it's okay to "have spewed" (to be a former spewer)...we lovingly forgive transgressions), but please, stop spewing. HEre's a communication trick for you: as complicated as your life may seem, talk/write about only ONE thing in a message. focus. be STINGY with your words. please.....make it easy for us to understand you, instead of so friggin' difficult. we love you, dude, but you spew. stop it. please.....it reeks of death.

i love you both...and everyone else out there, too...except maybe YOU, you RATFUCK DUCK CUP snitch hound .....lol. and now i must really medicate!
ion

Free the Plant
YES on I-1135

[jamessr]

" ,,,our political climate understands exactly what I am doing ..."

stop it.
your way sucks.

love,
ion

Did you know that the DEA has added organic plant material to be included in the use of marinol as well as synthetics ? Open one's eyes please ?

Ain't got nothing to do with the state of wa. political arena I speak of my dear love..

IT IS THE FEDERAL ARENA I AM PLAYING IN... just the facts mam, just the facts...:D

SCHEDULE 1 CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE. in which I was convicted for.. under state law. Remember the fed letter of if one is covered under state law, then no funds are available? Well, funds are now available are they not ?? DRUG TASK FORCE AUTHORITY NOW CORRECT?

See the issues here?? NO MATTER WHAT INITIATIVE PASSES FOR REMOVING PENALTIES, IT IS THE FUNDING OF THE TASK FORCE WHICH OVER RIDES OUR LAWS WE VOTED IN...

STATE LEA/LEO CONTRACTED TO BE ON LOAN TO THE DEA.. SO IT DON'T MATTER WHAT STATE LAW CHANGES... THE FUNDING FOR THE CONTRACTS TO EXTINGUISH STATE LAW WILL NOT GO AWAY... WE WILL STILL BE JAILED AND OUR PROPERTY TAKEN FROM US...

BOTTOM LINE OF MY SPEWING... remove this funding 1st.!!! then move on from there.. if not, all efforts are for naught.:mad:

[ionmagic]

the beginning premise of your last message is flawed, james (the thick headed), so your argument is needless and i didn't read it. you wasted your time by not examining your own assumptions and biases before you started spewing. it's a bigoted action, that...spewing. it assumes one is better than others. I'm sure you don't intend to be rude.

this is why i think you shouldn't be "playing" where you think you are playing....you don't have the grace for the arena, love. Try ONE thought per message. you can do it!.
just sayin'
love,
ion

[time4me]

And we are quite aware of what we might be facing once this is passed. Chill, James. Focus on the initiative, and only that. That is what we need to do right now, put all of our energy into the plant.
You must be patient.
:hippy:
Yes on I-1135!

[ionmagic]

and james, you are arguing the tactics of the dying system....we're going to FREE the plant....plain and simple, with a few hundred thousand strokes of the pen...and all that federal law and state law and law and law and law, the long arm of the law, all the laws from the failed system.....will be GONE. As quickly as a kiss.

i do not like that you FEAR so about ulterior motives and bad guys hiding in the closet to pull the wool over our eyes...it does not "suit" the energy of a free plant....the energy of the world we create. it is, frankly, barbaric.

perhaps if you let that fear and energy go, you'll stop spewing what doesn't matter anymore, dude. there is NO sense at the bottom of that system, you won't find it, so, stop antagonizing it, wake up and understand we all already fully get THAT SYSTEM...... and let it die an honorable death.

or not,
your choice
love,
ion

[time4me]

Let's see if this works.....

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DFNqzPf3pBjc&h=9066e

[ionmagic]

sorry, i don't do facebook so can't get to it. me and 80 percent of the rest of washington.
love,
ion

[gypski]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNqzPf3pBjc :thumbsup:


sorry, i don't do facebook so can't get to it. me and 80 percent of the rest of washington.
love,
ion

[jamessr]

Let's see if this works.....

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DFNqzPf3pBjc&h=9066e

Thank you time... now I have been exposed for who I am.:(

Ion, here's my said flaw:

Is the DEA legalizing THC?

By Mike Riggs - The Daily Caller | Published: 1:21 PM 02/10/2011 | Updated: 3:42 AM 02/11/2011

By Mike Riggs - The Daily Caller


In November of last year, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) proposed a seemingly subtle change to its policy on marijuana. Citing recommendations from the assistant secretary for Health at the Department of Health and Human Services, the agency outlined its plan to reschedule pills containing organic dronabinol from schedule I to schedule III.

Dronabinol is short for tetrahydrocannabinol and long for THC. Itâ??s more commonly known as the thing in marijuana that gets you high.

â??This proposed action expands the schedule III listing to include formulations having naturally-derived dronabinol and products encapsulated in hard gelatin capsules,â?� reads the DEAâ??s proposed rule. â??This would have the effect of transferring the FDA-approved versions of such generic Marinol [a synthetic THC drug] products from schedule I to schedule III.â?�

Paul Armentano of the National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws reads the proposal as a way of legalizing marijuana so just Big Pharma can make money from it.

â??DEA is taking a shortcut by saying, well, we can reschedule organic THC because it mimics an existing drug on the market,â?� Armentano said. â??Which is ironic given that they are saying the organic substance is derivative of the synthetic substance that is actually based on the organic substance.â?�

A spokesperson from the DEA told The Daily Caller that the rescheduling of pills containing organic dronabinol is not equivalent to legalizing THC. â??Please note that DEA is not â??rescheduling â?¦ organic THC,â??â?� wrote the DEAâ??s Rusty Payne in an e-mail.

â??THC, natural or synthetic, remains a schedule I controlled substance. Under the proposed rule, in those instances in the future where FDA might approve a generic version of Marinol, that version of the drug will be in the same schedule as the brand name version of the drug, regardless of whether the THC used in the generic version was synthesized by man or derived from the cannabis plant.â?�

In other words, THC in plant form or as an extract, will still be illegal. What wonâ??t be illegal is if a pharmaceutical company buys THC from a government-licensed provider, puts it in a pill, receives the DEAâ??s stamp of approval, and sells it a price that will likely be far higher than the price of marijuana.

Armentano said such circular reasoning is a product of decades of hostility towards marijuana research.

â??This is the insane rationale necessary for banning medical marijuana,â?� he said. â??Take away the prohibition and the political elements, and you would never have the stretching of logic necessary to pass organic THC but only if it mimics Marinol.â?�

Payne protested the comparison. â??Marinol is not the same thing as marijuana; nor is any generic version of Marinol that might be approved by the FDA in the future. Marijuana (the cannabis plant) contains approximately 500 different chemicals; and dronabinol (the form of THC found in Marinol) is just one of those numerous chemicals in the plant.â?�


Read more: DEA organic THC approve | Is the DEA legalizing THC? | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment (http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/10/is-th) â?¦ z1DeLC3kYj

[time4me]

Sorry, I meant to do the youtube link. I knew I'd screw it up the first time! lol

YouTube - ‪Starseeds ... Starchildren... Children of Light... Pt1‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNqzPf3pBjc)

[ionmagic]

you know, metaphysical bliss and love talk, and hate war talk, are two of the same thing. the former makes more sense than the latter. i love the video, but was expecting sensible washington fine print. duh. okay...second medication NOW...

james, i don't care what the DEA's intent is; they are not allowed to have intent. they will do what we say. stop being so fearful, love.

thanks for sharing,
where's the chat?
ion

[time4me]

www.sensiblewashington.org

Okay, there. I just like that video and wanted to share. Volunteer signups and petition info are all available at the SW site.

:hippy:

YES on I-1135!

[jamessr]

you know, metaphysical bliss and love talk, and hate war talk, are two of the same thing. the former makes more sense than the latter. i love the video, but was expecting sensible washington fine print. duh. okay...second medication NOW...

james, i don't care what the DEA's intent is; they are not allowed to have intent. they will do what we say. stop being so fearful, love.

thanks for sharing,
where's the chat?
ion

Now your catching on my dear with the intent road... Whom has a higher authority using this intent??

You try to convince me it is we the people, I just got convicted relying on that exact notion.. FEARFUL is not even close. We already told them once to leave us alone... they came back and said NO !! We have a federal contract with congress, this said contract which supersedes any peoples contract with their state laws and officials court processes...

No fear here my pants got pulled down to show how vulnerable I am to believe my state law protects me... KISS!! and I got KISSED hard core !!

I unbeknown to many HERE IN THE PUBLIC was convicted in a state court of a federal criminal act.. i.e. NO AFF. DEF. for this HERB, PLANT, CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE...WHAT EVER NAME YOU WANT TO USE... Interesting concept?

So please bare with me whilst I bend over and pull my pants back up...my back is sore. And my BUMM.!!

Not need for anyone else to have this happen too.

love ya'll

[jamessr]

www.sensiblewashington.org

Okay, there. I just like that video and wanted to share. Volunteer signups and petition info are all available at the SW site.

:hippy:

YES on I-1135!

MY SECURITY SYSTEM GAVE ME A RED SCREEN SAYING DANGEROUS SITE...:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

I am sure time it is not your computer skills here at all... no offense meant either.

P.S. I very much enjoyed the video....:thumbsup:;):cool: very touching in my opinion.. soothing actually, deep.

[jamessr]

Our lives, hopes and dreams depend on our ability to be heard."
--James Bernard,
American writer and editor

GET-UR-DONE:thumbsup:

[time4me]

Working on it! :)

:hippy:

[jamessr]

Working on it! :)

:hippy:

Claify... get-ur-done.. means you have my blessing.. put forth we the people so that we may be heard...

Again, thank you for the pleasant video.. seems I needed that.;)

[time4me]

I love that video! How many times have you watched it so far? lol
I do get git-r-dun, Larry is one of my favorites!

[time4me]

BTW, that video......bout time y'all woke up! teehee

[gypski]

Interesting theory, and not all that far off. I tend to look at it as an evolutionary process......a spiritual quest.....a cosmic cocktail....star born yes...in the grand scheme......some get it, some don't......immediately without a doubt............profound and thought provoking to say the least. :thumbsup:


I love that video! How many times have you watched it so far? lol
I do get git-r-dun, Larry is one of my favorites!

[jamessr]

BTW, that video......bout time y'all woke up! teehee

Hey now there is only one of me in here.. not the 10 that seem to hang around sometimes.:D

O.K. so at least when I look in the mirror I only see one.. teehee

[ionmagic]

the red screen or warning screen you get when you first visit the sensible wa site is because the person who is doing the sensible washington web has not set their security certificates (a software thing for webpages and websites.) I'm sure they're not aware of this, and hope someone lets them know.

their lack of having a security certificate is what makes the alarm you have on your system, go off. If, the first time you get it, you click that it's okay to visit the site, the site will be added to your allowed, unsecure sites and you will not see it again. One of these days...and hopefully soon, someone at Sensible WA will take care of the finer details of web publishing (and hopefully before the petitions hit the streets), and remove the lack of security certificate so that new people visiting won't be "alarmed" and possibly chased away.

every computer warning system is a bit different....depends on your browser, pop up window configuration, security settings, antivirus software, etc. etc.....but not having an online security certificate, is Sensible Washington's failure.

just an observation,
love,
ion

[ionmagic]

i love the video too. I think we are all either star children, or star children progenitors....better than thinking of ourselves as clump of witless meatsacks, and victims of an out-of-control government of our own creation! LOL.

james, try to understand that everytime you entertain your worst fears, they come closer to being your truth.
love,
ion

[gypski]

The certificate was fixed last week. :thumbsup: Or more IT voodoo is going on!!! :S2:


the red screen or warning screen you get when you first visit the sensible wa site is because the person who is doing the sensible washington web has not set their security certificates (a software thing for webpages and websites.) I'm sure they're not aware of this, and hope someone lets them know.

their lack of having a security certificate is what makes the alarm you have on your system, go off. If, the first time you get it, you click that it's okay to visit the site, the site will be added to your allowed, unsecure sites and you will not see it again. One of these days...and hopefully soon, someone at Sensible WA will take care of the finer details of web publishing (and hopefully before the petitions hit the streets), and remove the lack of security certificate so that new people visiting won't be "alarmed" and possibly chased away.

every computer warning system is a bit different....depends on your browser, pop up window configuration, security settings, antivirus software, etc. etc.....but not having an online security certificate, is Sensible Washington's failure.

just an observation,
love,
ion

[killerweed420]

I'm afraid I don't get it.lol
I'm an atheist so all this spiritual mumbo jumbo has never meant much to me. Are there other civilizations out there? probably
Are there some great spiritual beings about there looking out after everyone? No.
Is there some sort of preordained destiny? No
We are all responsible for our own conduct and the concept that we can just go about screwing everything up and some great mysterious being is going to come and fix everything and send us off to eutopia is just humans passing the buck off to some mythical god.
If we want to live in a better place then we all better grab a shovel and dig in because we're all responsible for whats going on.
I know I'm the destroyer of dreams.lol

[ionmagic]

not at all a killer of dreams, killer...quite the opposite. Modern metaphysics isn't about religion, and is absolutely and totally about taking complete responsibility for everything in your life, everything in your reality. Its about harmonizing self, then harmonizing together to manifest the type of reality we desire. And, good news is, thanks to modern science, its about how we can use our minds to create quantum reality.....as within, so without, as above, so below....all that. It is about freeing the individual from external authorities (the looming god or priest, or inquisition) and realizing that there is no external god playing chess with us; but just us, and just right here, just right now, creating reality with every breath we take, every move we make....
love,
ion

[killerweed420]

So you're talking about other dimensions?
Have read quite a lot about and understand there's a little science behind it and some day maybe quantifiable but not yet.
I think sometimes people want things to be more difficult or mysterious than they really are. Life has always been what you try and make out of it. It doesn't always workout the way we plan but that shouldn't stop the attempt. And a lot of things that people strive for these days are very superficial and then when they get there they find out it wasn't all its cracked up to be. Materialism, which is the largest part of our society is an example. If you want wealth and power its available to anyone who wants it but it comes at a price because it can not be reached without leaving your ethics at home locked up in your safe.