Hawaiian Snow Grow Log #001

[malus69]

Hi all,

I've been here for a little while now and have already started my first grow so I thought of starting a log to be all able to check my progress and exchange ideas/criticism/troubleshooting (mostly :p) etc. So let's start with a few info on the strain:

Hawaiian Snow was created by Green House Seed Co and was the winner of HTCC 2003. It's a Sativa dominant strain with genetics from Hawaii and Laos.
THC: 23.7% CBD: 1.1% CBN: 0.8%
Haven't ever tried it myself to give you an idea of the high but hopefully that is about to change in the near future!!! According to reviews, it's supposed to be "very well known between heavy smokers that look for strong buds. A sativa-high that creeps on you, followed by a blasting stoned feeling."
:S5:

Now let's see what I'll be using:


430W Sonlight HPS Agro producing 58k lumens
http://www.hydroponics.eu/db_img/img/1664_2.jpg
Parabolic reflector
http://piczasso.com/i/bdl7a.JPG
Circulation oscillating fan
Exhaust fan
Biobizz light mix soil
14l square pots
Cellmax Bio-Organic nutrient series
http://www.hydroponics.eu/img/schema_bio_en.jpg


I have a grow room built outdoors (sorry won't post pics of it you never know who's reading! :jointsmile:) that is roughly 5sqm (60sqf) but the area utilized for growing is around 2sqm (20sqf) and 3m (10ft) high. It basically utilizes one edge of the room with 3 walls surrounding the plants covered in Mylar.
http://piczasso.com/i/ijnc1.JPG

[malus69]

Soaked 10 seeds overnight in a glass of distilled water on the 13th of January. Next morning 9 had sunk and a couple had slightly cracked open already so I moved all 10 of em in a paper towel.

http://i52.tinypic.com/nycubo.jpg

Put the paper towel in between two dishes and covered it with cling film or however it's called but left a small opening in it so they can breathe. Left the two plates directly under the heater and the temp was kept at 25-28C (77-82F).

http://i53.tinypic.com/saulwg.jpg

After a day the 9 that had sunk in the glass of water had sprouted, the 10th one still refused to crack open.

http://i52.tinypic.com/4sk2he.jpg

[malus69]

Moved the 9 open seeds into 1" rockwool cubes in a propagator, wrapped in a blanket to keep em warm since I had no heating mat and put them in the closet.

http://i55.tinypic.com/15yjk8o.jpg

36hrs later small tips were barely out of the rockwool.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2wfvg28.jpg

Next morning they had fully sprouted and were moved under a fluo tube on a 18/6 schedule.

http://i53.tinypic.com/r09zsp.jpg

The 10th one still refusing to germinate. I fed it with an aspirin solution and it opened overnight but it never went beyond the initial 1mm root tip so I discarded it. 90% germ rate, not bad for first time I guess with questionable seeds. (Seedbank we got em from is dodgy check here. (http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/155744-seed-banks-good-bad-13.html#post2182418))

[malus69]

Reserved II

[malus69]

This is Antigone btw on her first day!!! My lucky number 8. Yeah not only I labelled em all, I also gave em names!

http://i52.tinypic.com/24m5c3s.jpg

This is Hera 4 days old. Troubled me a little with those blister like things on her cotyledons but not only she's fine now, she's the 2nd faster grower!

http://i56.tinypic.com/dr6s74.jpg

Biobizz light mix soil EC1.2 pH 6.1-6.3. Pots were labelled as 12l (26x26x28cm / 10x10x12") ones but measuring the inside of em and making the cubic cm calculation they turn to be closer to 13.5-14l if filled up to the rim.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2mniqo7.jpg

All filled up and watered thoroughly 2 days before planting.

http://i52.tinypic.com/ohlfzm.jpg

[malus69]

8 days old and the roots are out of the rockwool at least 1-2" on all of them so time to move em to soil. Or at least that's what I was told lol!!!

http://i56.tinypic.com/ftmosz.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2akg42b.jpg

All nine of them planted, temp at the top of the seedlings under the HPS is around 22-25C (72-77F), humidity at 65-70%. Oscillating fans are on, crappy exhaust fan is on too (150cubic m/hr ~90CFM), intake is pasive by small halls in the door and the timer set at 18/6. Age from seed 8days old.

http://i56.tinypic.com/rvlswl.jpg

The ceiling is 3m (10ft) tall and the adjustable light cords weren't long enough to reach close to the pots so I moved em on a table till they get bigger. The lamp is a 430W HPS Agro producing 58k lumen. I know it's not optimal but budget was low. Next grow I'm hoping to utilize a 1000W one!

I know I shouldn't have transplanted them directly to the big pots. But I know that now didn't when I did it :wtf: I was a victim of the transplant progressively/don't cause you will sock em debate...

[malus69]

This is Antigone the day it was moved to the soil.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2ih59jr.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/jgt7dc.jpg

And here she is 9 days after she was moved to the pot. Overall age from seed, 17days. The only thing that troubles me is that it doesn't look much as a sativa strain that Hawaiian Snow is supposed to be. Either that or it's just too early to tell.

Anyway, they are still my babies and I still love em. After all this is an experimenting first grow to learn. Not having high expectations for the end result tbh! :hippy:

http://i56.tinypic.com/2yud69v.jpg

[malus69]

Yesterday they got their first diluted solution of nutrients, 4ml/l of rootbooster and 1ml/l only of the bio-grow mix and will see how it goes. 20days old from seed, 11 days in soil.

http://i51.tinypic.com/4hfudi.jpg

Slightly over-watered maybe or it's just me again been paranoid? :weedpoke:

http://i52.tinypic.com/akbte1.jpg

Will let em dry out a little and see how it goes. I guess it's the whole transplant in big pots fuckup I did... oh well... :(

I'm thinking of alternating the feeding, one watering yes one no and so on. What do you guys think? :thumbsup:

That's all for now will keep you updated as vegetation progresses!
:joint1:

[rattlingdags]

:) I enjoy a well written growlog started right from the seeds. Your kids look to be coming along well, big pots and all.
All the best with them and I like to tag along and watch.

[bigsby]

Nice tight setup here. Props for attention to detail. n00bs should pay attention - clean setup, good documentation, and keeping it simple. It makes dialing in your grow and trouble shooting SO much easier.

Question. How are you liking that parabolic reflector? I've been ogling those for a while. Did you get the optional diffuser? Thoughts appreciated.

Again, nice work here. I'm signed up.

[malus69]

:) I enjoy a well written growlog started right from the seeds. Your kids look to be coming along well, big pots and all.
All the best with them and I like to tag along and watch.

Thx rattling, I did try to make a nice log here and I'm glad it shows! Welcome aboard too! :thumbsup:


Nice tight setup here. Props for attention to detail. n00bs should pay attention - clean setup, good documentation, and keeping it simple. It makes dialing in your grow and trouble shooting SO much easier.

Question. How are you liking that parabolic reflector? I've been ogling those for a while. Did you get the optional diffuser? Thoughts appreciated.

Again, nice work here. I'm signed up.

Thank you bigsby I'm trying my best really. As for the parabolic (http://hydroponics.eu/lighting-c-24/reflectors-and-accessories-s-44/defender-reflector--spreader-medium-4949.html) I have no previous experience with other hoods etc so I'll just let you know what I think of it with my limited field experience. In my eyes it spreads the light wide and evenly. The wings are adjustable to 3 settings so you can focus more or less depending how you see fit. Temps are kept low with the 400W even without the diffuser. (it was included but took it off cause it gave me the impression that it was creating shades when too close to the tops)
http://hydroponics.eu/db_img/img/4949_1.jpg
http://hydroponics.eu/db_img/img/4949_2.jpg
http://hydroponics.eu/db_img/img/5060_1.jpg
With an oscillating fan blowing in the space between the lamp and the plant tops temps are kept low (23-25C / 73-77F) at even 20-30cm (8-12") so as I said it gave me the impression that in close distances it was creating shades. But I'm the noob here correct me if I'm wrong. :(

Peace,
:hippy:

[bigsby]

I'm familiar with this particular reflector which is why I asked. Not from personal experience but from researching different options. As I understand it, the three different setting are intended to mimic different seasons - spring, summer, and fall. I can dig out the literature if you need it.

[malus69]

I'm familiar with this particular reflector which is why I asked. Not from personal experience but from researching different options. As I understand it, the three different setting are intended to mimic different seasons - spring, summer, and fall. I can dig out the literature if you need it.

That would be awesome and a good read. I'd like to know for sure instead of assuming in blind, so yeah if you could dig that up for me I'd grateful! :thumbsup: Applying mimicking seasons would be interested to say the least if not beneficial! :thumbsup:

[malus69]

I had some questions regarding my nutrients and I made a thread in the Organic Growing section (not sure if that was correct but anyway...:wtf:), but it doesn't seem like anyone knows something. (at least not from the guys checking that section of the forum anyway lol:D) So I thought I might as well included it here in my log and have everything less spread around for easier access! ;)



I have the full range of the Cellmax Bio-Organic nutrients and although I've been searching around the internet to get some reviews from ppl that have used em specifically for marijuana growing, the results were minimal to none.

Cellmax (http://www.cellmax.nl/en/producten/bio_growing/)

So I was wondering if any of you guys have used em to give me some feedback regarding results/yields and also if I should stick to their schedule or adjust it in any way regarding feeding potency and frequency.:what: Are they any good cause if they are then why they are not popular? What nuts would you suggest for my next growth (that are available in EU pls)? Or should I start making teas and the alike and screw pre-made ones? :hippy: This is my first grow so I didn't want to go in too deep this time with making my own :(

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/organic-growing/264694d1296696308-cellmax-organics-schema_bio_en.jpg

I have everything as shown in the schedule (bloom,grow,pk boost, super enzyme, root booster) asides the flower stimulator (flower power) and I was thinking of getting it too to add it when the time comes(still in vegetation atm).


I understand that it's carbohydrates and amino-acids or something, so similar to molasses?
Should I stick to the schedule and give it the last 2 weeks of flowering even when flushing?
Should I not give it while flushing?
Should I give it for the full duration of flowering, or just fuck it completely and use molasses instead?
Should I give both this and molasses and for how long/till when?
Fuck both and nothing? :p


The thing is that shit was expensive, around 30 for 150ml and I don't mind spending it if it will do good but if not... :wtf:

And now that I mentioned molasses, should I add them to the feeding schedule together with all the rest of the nutrients at 1tbsp/gal or if I do add them I will have to take something out?

Peace,
:hippy:

[camoxnhx]

Pumped!! I have been doing alot of research on this strain because I want to get it. You for sure got be posted up on this thread. Sweet setup btw gonna pull some monsters out of that tent. Have u seen the Hawaiian Snow grow vid from greenhouse seeds? I know its on youtube

[bigsby]

Have a look at this video

Adjust-A-Wings: How to create "seasonal" settings for optimal performance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRYMOetZPQ)

[rattlingdags]

I've not seen your brand of nutes anywhere here in Holland. If you decide next time to change nutes then the lines from Canna and Plagron are popular and easy to order online.
Enjoying your log. I seem to have turned into a growlog-a-holic lately lol.

[malus69]

Pumped!! I have been doing alot of research on this strain because I want to get it. You for sure got be posted up on this thread. Sweet setup btw gonna pull some monsters out of that tent. Have u seen the Hawaiian Snow grow vid from greenhouse seeds? I know its on youtube

Yeah I've seen the video, the one they grew it in a 85l container. Well I'm not expecting to get results even remotely close to these :p Stay tuned and we'll see how it turns out at the end with a smoke report and all! :jointsmile:



Have a look at this video

Adjust-A-Wings: How to create "seasonal" settings for optimal performance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRYMOetZPQ)

That's what I'm talkin about!!! :D Thanks bigs, already on "Spring" mode!!! Still not sure if I should use that spreader or not though... :s

In my original thread before I made this log, Rusty mentioned I should check my tap water. I did so here are the results.



Check online for your local water company's water quality report. It should tell you the average tapwater ph, what's in it and at what levels, what they treat it with...stuff like that..

ok I did some research and I came up with those values regarding tap water in my area:


pH: 7.4
GΗ: 8
ΚΗ: 6
ΝΟ3: 0
Water Alkalinity: 150 - 200 mg/lt CaCO3
Water Hardness: 120 - 130 mg/lt CaCO3
Calcium: 45 - 55 mg/lt
Magnesium: 4 - 7 mg/lt
Nitrogen: 3 - 5 mg/lt
Sulphates: 30 - 35 mg/lt
Chlorates: 3 - 15 mg/lt (higher values appear less frequently)
Free Chlorium: 0,3 - 0,5 mg/lt
Chromium: 1.6 μgr/lt



I hope I got the chemical terms translation right, being Greek and all :p Does it call for adjustments? Lower it maybe to 6.5 or so? And if yes how? Would some lemon juice work?


PS. Will be back later today with some updates and new pics of the ladies so stay tunned!!! :cool:
Peace,
:hippy:

[malus69]

All is going well but they are growing a little slow... I'm guessing it's cause of the humidity, it's always around 65-70%. Haven't watered em for 4 days now and the soil is still a little moist on top. Been raining like crazy lately so...
Anyway, from March on that they'll be in flowering I'm hoping it'll be better. If not I'm off for a new exhaust fan... So here are some pics of 2 days ago. Couldn't post them earlier the forums seem to have been down or something... :wtf: They are 14 days old in that pic (since moved to the pot). They've been growing an average of 1.5-2cm/day at this point. :weedpoke: Stay tuned!


Peace,
:hippy:

[malus69]

And here's a mass pic too of all 9! Have moved the shorter ones in the middle and I'm also turning all of them 90° daily to spread light evenly! :thumbsup:
http://i55.tinypic.com/v7zb0i.jpg

Peace,
:hippy:

[bigsby]

You are not seeing a ton of growth because of the recent repot. The plants are focusing their growth underground. Likely you would have been better off with a smaller pot at this stage. The plant will stretch it's roots throughout the big pot before it fully focuses on canopy growth. With a smaller pot the roots have less room to stretch and so you get more canopy development at an earlier stage. In other words, you maximize the plants growth more quickly. Your girls will still do fine but it will take longer. See the link in my signature for some thoughts on repotting.

[Shovelhandle]

doing great! Use a Ph down solution in your water to bring it down to 6.2-6.8. If it's cool assure that the soil temp is 68-72º. The roots and the whole plant will respond positively. :thumbsup:

[bigsby]

Shov is giving you some of the best advice on offer. Get the pH right from the start to avoid all kinds of problems down the line. Ideal soil temps are also a sure fire way to maximize growth. You can do this by raising the room temps or adding a heating element under the pots. You're looking good. You've done your homework now dial it in. At this stage there is the temptation to over water and over fertilize. You seem to have that under control. Once you have the pH issues dialed in you will reap the rewards.

[malus69]

doing great! Use a Ph down solution in your water to bring it down to 6.2-6.8. If it's cool assure that the soil temp is 68-72º. The roots and the whole plant will respond positively. :thumbsup:
Will do that mate thanks for the advice. As for soil temp it's usually around 20ºC(70ºF)


Shov is giving you some of the best advice on offer. Get the pH right from the start to avoid all kinds of problems down the line. Ideal soil temps are also a sure fire way to maximize growth. You can do this by raising the room temps or adding a heating element under the pots. You're looking good. You've done your homework now dial it in. At this stage there is the temptation to over water and over fertilize. You seem to have that under control. Once you have the pH issues dialed in you will reap the rewards.

Will have to adjust the water pH yeah. I thought that 7.4 would be high. As for temps, I installed a thermostat in the room and connected one of those air heaters so ambient temps never go bellow 68º. Now since you mentioned watering/fertilizing, yeah I have avoided it so far. One question though, since I'm only watering like once every 4-5 days as things are now, should I give nutrients in every feeding or still alternate them?

Thanks again for everything guys,
Peace! :hippy:

[malus69]

Haven't been around much lately kinda busy with travelling overseas. At the moment my brother is looking after my babes and updates me from time to time with pics. So here's some new eye-candy and some questions as well (like always :p).

Enjoy!

All pics were taken on the 8th of Feb. Plants are 26 days old from seed. 18 days since the tiny seedlings were moved in the pots. Latest feedback has it that they have grown 5-6cm since then all varying around 20-23cm!!! :D Will be coming back with more pics during the weekend so stay tuned! :thumbsup: Also did FIM on a couple just to try it out and see the end results and start getting the hang of it. Didn't seem to stop them much though height wise lol. On the contrary Hera that was FIMed is still the faster grower height wise. She got 6cm since FIMing in 2 days...

http://i52.tinypic.com/16a47kg.jpg

Hera, not the most dense of em all but the tallest for sure. She was the first to receive FIMing. At least they definitely start to look more like sativas now so I'm kinda relieved! :jointsmile:

http://i51.tinypic.com/15xpqow.jpg

FIM closeup. looks like we overdid it a little. Should have left more probably. Oh well we'll see how it goes. We only did it on 3 out of the 9 to try it out. (are those pre-flowers I see there on the nodes bellow? I wasn't there to see for myself so hard for a noob to judge from the photo :()

http://i56.tinypic.com/2d294xg.jpg

As I said, are those pre-flowers or just new growth coming out of the nodes?

http://i54.tinypic.com/34j5735.jpg

Electra is one of the most dense and thick ones. Do the leaf tips look a little curled down here what do you think? Overall the plants have been wet for a while so the soil was left 6 days without watering before it dried out enough. (around 10cm inside) This pic is prior to watering. bro didn't stick around to see reaction post watering.... :mad:

http://i54.tinypic.com/11bjinn.jpg

Here they are all of them, they do seem a little droopy don't they? I don't know if it's from under-watering or heat (cause the temps rose 10 degrees Celsius in a day suddenly here, it's summer again!) Will check em out in the next pics on Saturday and we'll see. What do you think though? Hope he doesn't kill my babies or I'll shoot him! :gunfighter2:


Also since as things are now we are watering once a week, should we be feeding every watering (weekly) or still alternate one yes and one no? They've gotten 2 feelings in a row now and so far they seem to be ok with it. Maybe a pH problem with the water I mentioned in previous posts? Isn't it a little early to have built up already? We are adjusting it now but so far they were watered since birth with a water of pH around 7,5 at least...

Thank you all and stay tuned. More pics and updates to come on Sat!

Peace,
:hippy:

[malus69]

One more pic of Electra as of Feb 8 that forgot to upload yday!

http://i53.tinypic.com/2cf4p6x.jpg

The difference in phenotypes in between them is crazy. This one is more dense in foliage and has wider more indica like leaves too... Will be having some hard time picking a mama! :jointsmile:

PS. If the size of the photos is too big please let me know and I will adjust them in the future. I have a big monitor and it's kinda hard to tell for me sorry :(

Peace,
:hippy:

[malus69]

Haven't been around much lately kinda busy with travelling overseas. At the moment my brother is looking after my babes and updates me from time to time with pics. So here's some new eye-candy and some questions as well (like always :p).

Enjoy!

All pics were taken on the 8th of Feb. Plants are 26 days old from seed. 18 days since the tiny seedlings were moved in the pots. Latest feedback has it that they have grown 5-6cm since then all varying around 20-23cm!!! :D Will be coming back with more pics during the weekend so stay tuned! :thumbsup: Also did FIM on a couple just to try it out and see the end results and start getting the hang of it. Didn't seem to stop them much though height wise lol. On the contrary Hera that was FIMed is still the faster grower height wise. She got 6cm since FIMing in 2 days...

http://i52.tinypic.com/16a47kg.jpg

Hera, not the most dense of em all but the tallest for sure. She was the first to receive FIMing. At least they definitely start to look more like sativas now so I'm kinda relieved! :jointsmile:

http://i51.tinypic.com/15xpqow.jpg

FIM closeup. looks like we overdid it a little. Should have left more probably. Oh well we'll see how it goes. We only did it on 3 out of the 9 to try it out. (are those pre-flowers I see there on the nodes bellow? I wasn't there to see for myself so hard for a noob to judge from the photo :()

http://i56.tinypic.com/2d294xg.jpg

As I said, are those pre-flowers or just new growth coming out of the nodes?

http://i54.tinypic.com/34j5735.jpg

Electra is one of the most dense and thick ones. Do the leaf tips look a little curled down here what do you think? Overall the plants have been wet for a while so the soil was left 6 days without watering before it dried out enough. (around 10cm inside) This pic is prior to watering. bro didn't stick around to see reaction post watering.... :mad:

http://i54.tinypic.com/11bjinn.jpg

Here they are all of them, they do seem a little droopy don't they? I don't know if it's from under-watering or heat (cause the temps rose 10 degrees Celsius in a day suddenly here, it's summer again!) Will check em out in the next pics on Saturday and we'll see. What do you think though? Hope he doesn't kill my babies or I'll shoot him! :gunfighter2:


Also since as things are now we are watering once a week, should we be feeding every watering (weekly) or still alternate one yes and one no? They've gotten 2 feelings in a row now and so far they seem to be ok with it. Maybe a pH problem with the water I mentioned in previous posts? Isn't it a little early to have built up already? We are adjusting it now but so far they were watered since birth with a water of pH around 7,5 at least...

Thank you all and stay tuned. More pics and updates to come on Sat!

Peace,
:hippy:



:sorry1:I hate to :bump2: my own thread but I'm a little worried. Leaves look more alive now after the watering and are not droopy anymore but the margins/tips on some are still slightly curved down. (or at least so they tell me, I'm away remember? will have to wait for new pics tomorrow and will post em asap)
My bro did regulate the water pH down to around 6.5 last watering cause it was over 7.5... should have gotten a pH meter earlier I know but the one and only local grow shop near me was out of stock so I had to order some online and took a while to get it... should I have him test the runoffs too? and if so how exactly is this done? do you have to clean the water of any soil remains and let it sit for a while or I just throw it in the little tube and test it...? (I have one of those kits that you mix it with some other liquid in a tube and it takes up a colour...)
Sorry for being a pain but you already know how I am by now with it being first grow and all... and being away and having someone else take care of my babies makes it even worse:(

Peace,
:hippy:

[malus69]

I was worried a little these past days but as some wise guy told me in here, if ppl don't respond it means you are doing fine. And guess what, he was right!!! :thumbsup: It seems like I am doing fine after all. :D

Anyway it's Saturday today and as I promised pics update incoming! :smokin:

So let's begin with a group photo of how the ladies were on Feb 8th. It's what got me worried in the first place, seems they were just thirsty after all. ;)

http://i51.tinypic.com/nx6fqd.jpg

Now look at them 2 days after watering!

http://i54.tinypic.com/aexymh.jpg

And here they are today!

http://i51.tinypic.com/e6ul8x.jpg

The difference at least to my noob eyes is incredible. I'm super excited!!! :D

[Shovelhandle]

I bet your grow will be great. Nice strain, very clean set up. :thumbsup:

[malus69]

More pics from Feb 10th!

http://i53.tinypic.com/2r6k594.jpg
Antigone.

http://i55.tinypic.com/3134n6r.jpg
Hera 2 days after FIMing.

http://i55.tinypic.com/qqy5na.jpg
FIM close-up.

And some more eye-candy as of today! Plants are 30 days old now from seed and around 10-11" tall :)

http://i51.tinypic.com/90rqs2.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/20zvgqr.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/xgmh7c.jpg

Enjoy!
:hippy:

[malus69]

Ok quick update/question. We did some pH testing today but since budget is low lately we went with one of those liquid test kits. You know the ones you mix the water in a tube with a liquid and gets a certain colour... so accuracy is out of the question but still we have a general idea. Water pH according to the water company in my area is at 7.4pH. Kit shows something around 8 so I guess that was right. Water run-off from the pot indicate a pH of around 6. So that means that the soil pH atm is still around 6 that should be good? Or I have to compare this with the pH of the water going in and somehow come up with the soil pH?
I did get a pH- solution though to adjust my water and found out that more or less 1ml/gallon brings it down to approximately 6. Should I just add that to my water every time to play safe? Or at least safer than watering with a pH of ~7.5-8.0+ ?

Next thing on my shopping list is a digital pH meter for sure... I just wish there was something that I could test directly in soil... I feel like I have to over-water em every time I want to get a pH measurement and I hate that... especially with my humidity problem... :(

Peace,
:hippy:

[malus69]

Ok I hope there are still some of you watching this cause if not I'm screwed. Everything was going well. If you've been following me up I'm currently overseas and my brother is looking after them. Didn't have access to internet and today that my line was finally shorted I found those pictures in my email...
I really need some feedback here pls... :(

[malus69]

Edit:

Those symptoms are as it is shown on 3/9 plants on several leaves. The picture indicates the worst one.
Those red dot's are not eggs, insects etc. Just some soil residue.
Sprayed with neem oil just in case.
Plants were watered on Sunday but not fertilized.


Re-attaching photo in higher resolution

Thanks
:(

[canniwhatsis]

Are the effected plants by chance ones that were FIMed? If there's any ruff housing with the new growth bud (FIM comes to mind ;) ) it can damage forming leaves causing abnormality's like that. I've had leaves that were missing chunks grow in, some of the leaves on my White Widow SCROG wound up curled off to the side because half the leaf was stunted by being pressed against the wire while it was forming.

Keep an eye on em for sure, :weedpoke: but they look pretty happy over all ;) :hippy:

[malus69]

Are the effected plants by chance ones that were FIMed? If there's any ruff housing with the new growth bud (FIM comes to mind ;) ) it can damage forming leaves causing abnormality's like that. I've had leaves that were missing chunks grow in, some of the leaves on my White Widow SCROG wound up curled off to the side because half the leaf was stunted by being pressed against the wire while it was forming.

Keep an eye on em for sure, :weedpoke: but they look pretty happy over all ;) :hippy:

Just talked with my bro on the phone. He says the holes are only on one plant (and yes it is one of the 2 FIMed ones) but if you notice on the pic, there is a de-colouration around the holes (he says its yellowish but photo sucks...) that appear in 2-3 more plants without the holes though. So I don't think it's the FIMing... Or maybe it is in the one with the wholes (only in 2 leaves btw) and the yellowing is something else that just happened to occur at the same time? Told him to stop fertilizing for a while to see how it goes... Also told him to make some more pictures and try to make em decent too later when he gets back from work so I will update you hopefully later on...

I feel my head is going to blow up from the stress.
:(

[rattlingdags]

Is it not possible that the holes are from the water being sprayed on the leaves - thus causing a burn from the light? Just a thought if the spraying is still being done.

[malus69]

Ok quick update as promised. The holes on those 2 leaves remain the same 2 days after so I'm guessing it's not some pests or something. Did spray neem oil anyway just in case and will do so every week for a couple more weeks at least as precaution.

The small yellowish dots remain the same too. Plants received a good watering today with plain tap water rested for 3 days and pH adjusted to 6.5. Soil pH tested at ~6.5 as well using distilled water. (Photos 01-02-03)

On pic 04 you can see one of the 2 plants that received FIMing about a week ago. It doesn't look well, no new tops (those seem to be just the leaves that were left there during FIMing) and the plant is stretching like crazy ever since... Pic 05 is the other one that received FIMing, obviously in a better state although I think there is some mutation on the top leaf. Also it's the one that the holes appeared on those 2 leaves... Asides that though she looks good.

So the questions are,

what are those little yellow dots? Even if I don't have anything to worry about I still wish to learn from those experiences.
Should I worry about the holes/mutation on the FIMed plant?
Should I top or train the other FIMed one that didn't grow tops but is stretching like an ass? Or should I just tie her down. They are around 30cm each as of now and will let em grow another 10-15 (so around 1 week to 10 days, dunno if enough to recover from topping...)

[malus69]

Here are another 2 pics of her, nodes very spread apart and stretching like a bitch, she's around 37cm tall in this one.
(pic 06)
And here's another with all of them to compare. She's at the top left corner obviously ;)
(pic 07)
So what should I do with her?

Also here's another pic of the FIMed one with the holes/dots/mutation...
(pic 08)

Once again thank you for the support and understanding. I know I'm a PITA getting all stressed and everything but I'll get over it with time and experience, just love em too much and want to learn as much as I can to avoid same mistakes in future grows! Seeing those new pics (you know I'm overseas atm) I do realize that most probably that fucker of a brother of mine just scared the shit out of me for nothing since those "yellow dots" he described are tiny and very few and plants look healthy overall, but still...

Peace,
:hippy:

[malus69]

Time for photo update. Taken on Feb 21st, exactly 1 month from potting, 39 days old from seed. At the end of this week (roughly 4 weeks of vegetation) lights will be switched to 12/12!!! :thumbsup:

They all look nice and healthy and stand at around 16" tall. Asides no9 that continues to stretch like a mofo... And imagine she's one of the two FIMed ones... Any ideas on what should I do with her? Nodes are very far apart and she's almost 20" tall already and still in vegetation... :wtf: Anyway here are the pics so you can judge for yourselves. (If anyone is still watching that is, haven't gotten feedback in ages :()


Two of my non FIMed babies, top view!
The two FIMed ones, no5 and no9, clearly not the same reaction... :wtf:
Took her a while for the central top to come back out on no9 but it's here now! :D
Here's no5, it did react better to the FIMing in terms of growth but got all stressed out and mutated a couple of her new leaves... Plus the holes incident on the leaves last week... :( She's still looking good and strong though! :thumbsup:
And here's a picture of all of them. A more or less even canopy and there she is, no9 ruining the harmony... I could really use some ideas on what to do with her... LST maybe once in flowering? She'll end up messing with the light the rest receive and that's not an option... :weedpoke:


Anyway that's all for now, will make some more pictures just before turning the lights to 12/12, but hopefully next big update will have some buds in for our eyes to feast on!!! :rastasmoke:

PS. Btw, should I start molasses once in flowering? If yes should I use em on every watering (1ml/l) or just when feeding? And should I use em till harvest or stop em together with the ferts a week before?


Peace,
:hippy:

[malus69]

Haven't been keeping this log up to date for quite some time though. Real life stuff and lack of interest/replies to my posts kept me from doing so. Girls went all well after all, today 9 weeks into flowering and all 9 of them survive.
Had some problems pre flowering with a heavy nut burn, and also timer went caput and they were left to veg one extra week before we noticed (lights have been on 24/7 it seems) and some of them were already 80cm tall by the time of the swotch to 12/12 so we went into rootbound problems mid flowering too... The crappy fan went bust as well so humidity was in between 70-80% throughout the flowering stage and lately temps have been over 25C as well. The 400W proved to be too small as well, going for +1000W next time and 9 pots with plants of that size (extra week of veg helped too) proved to be too crowded as well. All and all not many things went well, if hardly any, for a first time grow but nevertheless they are all still here and I'm very proud of it. The yield may be small after all but so what. I kept them all alive and from what I hear not many people do so in their first grow.

Now the big question is, when to harvest? Most of the pistils are brown but I can't see any amber trichomes. At least not with the crappy handheld microscope I have. Not to mention I have to go so close with it to focus that it touches my buds and I hate it... :mad: Will they even get amber or not, being sativa and all, and if I harvest now or within a week will I lose anything? (haven't seen the buds grow at all for around 10 days now, being rootbound and all I guess) Here are some pictures to help http://i55.tinypic.com/14cb4a9.jpg
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http://i52.tinypic.com/35k0cvs.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/2hyv0ax.jpg

[camoxnhx]

WOW!!!!! its been a while since ive been back also.... BUT DAMN!!!! B-E-AUTIFUL!!! Those ladie really put out some dank buds. Have you harvested the H.S. yet (saw u poset 5-5-11)? Just to throw out about how many pots to do next..... i would for sure amp up the plants but u might be able to add a few more if u use grow bags cause there not as bulky. What new strain(s) you gonna get? If i may suggest a seed vendor check out Worldwide Marijuanaseeds dot com. Vast selection and quick too. just a little food for thought.

[Farmer Rich]

Hey Malus,

I have to say, I was skeptical when I started checking your thread.. 9 Hawaiian Snow packed into a single small space seems way crowded to me. I currently grow Super Lemon Haze (also from Greenhouse), and if you go with bigger pots, you can expect the plants to get BIG. On Super Lemon Haze, I flip them about 2' tall and end up with 6'+ plants that take up a space nearly 4' square for each plant. I'm planning that when I start my Hawaiian Snow, that they'll potentially take more room.. I don't FIM them either, just a few branches off the bottom, similar to the style Arajan uses in the Greenhouse videos so they get tall..

You'd be surprised, if you went with 2 plants and let them express themselves naturally, the yield can get fairly high.

One other question, how's that Super Spreader working for you? I changed out my lights from 2 x 1k, to 3 x 600w, using Adjust-A-Wings. I also had super spreaders but felt like they were diminishing the direct light and pulled them. Curious as to your experience.

Peace, Farmer Rich