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Lemonhoko
02-02-2011, 07:19 PM
Video Outrage: Utah Police Kill Marijuana Smoker in Own Home (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/video-outrage-utah-police-kill-marijuana-smoker-in-own-home)
Video wouldnt embed for me. Heres the link.
killerweed420
02-02-2011, 07:42 PM
Another reason I want more of us on juries. No knock are and always have been unconstitutional. If a homeowner shoots and kills an officer illegally entering his home he is perfectly legally able to do that. Its his 4th Amendment right. If a person ends up chanrged with murder in a case like this I would always vote not guilty.
jamessr
02-03-2011, 01:53 AM
Another reason I want more of us on juries. No knock are and always have been unconstitutional. If a homeowner shoots and kills an officer illegally entering his home he is perfectly legally able to do that. Its his 4th Amendment right. If a person ends up chanrged with murder in a case like this I would always vote not guilty.
The flip side of your coin toss brother is no court would let you be on the jury... you have publicly removed yourself from their list.;) the always gave it away.:D
Since when was it the legal duty of leo to kill patients... isn't that life's dirty job.:( :mad: ..!.
NaturalScience
02-03-2011, 03:36 AM
Wow! My dogs got really upset with that. There is may be no other alternative but open war against these motherfuckers.
WashougalWonder
02-03-2011, 12:40 PM
Looked like only a flashlight in the poor man's hand. Sheeeeeet.
killerweed420
02-03-2011, 05:55 PM
The flip side of your coin toss brother is no court would let you be on the jury... you have publicly removed yourself from their list.;) the always gave it away.:D
Since when was it the legal duty of leo to kill patients... isn't that life's dirty job.:( :mad: ..!.
I'm actually in that predicament now.lol The prosecutor knows me and so far won't allow me on any juries.lol But I ain't giving up. While waiting for being booted I always discuss jury nullification with prospective jurors.lol
jamessr
02-04-2011, 07:45 AM
I'm actually in that predicament now.lol The prosecutor knows me and so far won't allow me on any juries.lol But I ain't giving up. While waiting for being booted I always discuss jury nullification with prospective jurors.lol
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA...RALMFAO. I called that one pretty clear huh ??
Welcome..they won't even let me get that far.lol. I don't even get any notice to come in...Think I maybe blacklisted from being a jurist. Since, I file citizen complaints under CrRLJ 2.1(c ) criminal charges[yes, a P.C. complaint, just like a prosecutor can] on leo, bar assoc. on bad corrupt lawyers, Handi-capped judges[those who don't follow the law or refuse too.] etc...I fight against crap in our court system wasting taxpayers money to support an industry gone array...under THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS is the reason for going array.:mad:
Tis why I am a member of CREW. Have you ever checked them out.. Here: Home | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (http://www.citizensforethics.org/) ....
killerweed420
02-04-2011, 07:44 PM
Yep I don't get to do much any more but I do what I can. I also have a big box of small pamphlets from Alex Jones that explain jury nullification and I leave them on the tables around the courthouse. You just do what you can and hope at least one person picks up on it and hands it on down the line.
jamessr
02-04-2011, 10:43 PM
Yep I don't get to do much any more but I do what I can. I also have a big box of small pamphlets from Alex Jones that explain jury nullification and I leave them on the tables around the courthouse. You just do what you can and hope at least one person picks up on it and hands it on down the line.
Are you allowed to stay and watch what happens to the info. you leave on the tables around the courthouse..? I think maybe you should video tape it myself..;) Snicker, snicker.. maybe you may catch the courthouse staff picking them up.:D One never knows till they try.
It would make perfect common-sense that if the prosecutor and you have had spoken about this specific issue of jury nullification that info. pamphlet containing this info. is now in the reach of prospective jury pools..i.e. contaminating the entire pool from serving....lol.
That would be great.lol,
killerweed420
02-04-2011, 11:38 PM
Are you allowed to stay and watch what happens to the info. you leave on the tables around the courthouse..? I think maybe you should video tape it myself..;) Snicker, snicker.. maybe you may catch the courthouse staff picking them up.:D One never knows till they try.
It would make perfect common-sense that if the prosecutor and you have had spoken about this specific issue of jury nullification that info. pamphlet containing this info. is now in the reach of prospective jury pools..i.e. contaminating the entire pool from serving....lol.
That would be great.lol,
Education is why I do it. People have the right to know. The government is allowed to post all its propaganda and I'm allowed too. Now I see in my local county courthouse they're putting up metal detectors up for the first time in history to keep us that believe in the 2nd Amendment out. Its another example of laws only being there for certain segments of society.
Way passed time for people to start growing up and realizing the American dream is a big lie. As long as you think like they think you're ok, thats basically called slavery.
jamessr
02-04-2011, 11:59 PM
Jury nullification at work in marijuana, gun cases
* February 11th, 2009 2:08 pm ET
Jury box
The jury box is just about the only place where
average citizens can veto bad laws.
In Washington, D.C., a jury ignored a military veteran's obvious violation of the city's draconian gun laws, setting him free with only a slap on the wrist. In LaSalle County, Illinois, a medical marijuana user found with 25 pounds of the plant didn't even get the slap; jurors chatted with him after finding him not guilty. While we can't know for sure, in both cases jury nullification was likely at work as regular people serving an important role in courtrooms exercised their power to quash laws they found repugnant.
Corporal Melroy H. Cort, who lost his knees to an improvised bomb in Ramadi, Iraq, was en route to Walter Reed Hospital from his home in Columbus, Ohio, when his car got a flat. He and his wife, Samantha, pulled over for repairs, at which time Cort, who has a concealed carry permit at home, retrieved his 9mm pistol from his glove compartment and put it in his pocket.
Cort's gun was spotted by somebody who called police, and Cort rapidly gained an education in D.C.'s notoriously strict firearms laws. He was charged with carrying a pistol without a license, possession of an unregistered firearm and possession of ammunition. He spent the night behind bars for having the nerve to possess a weapon in a city that, while it has improved since its nadir in the 1990s, still has about triple the national average rate of violent crime.
Despite its crime rate, D.C. has done its best to deny residents the right to legally defend themselves. This is the city that was taken to court for its restrictions -- and lost, resulting in the landmark case of D.C. v. Heller, which reaffirmed that the Second Amendment protects the individual right to keep and bear arms. Depite that loss, city laws remain extremely restrictive, and Cort had clearly run afoul of local law.
But an amazing thing happened in court. According to the Washington Post:
After being deadlocked twice, a D.C. Superior Court jury yesterday acquitted a Marine amputee on felony charges of gun possession stemming from an arrest while he was on the way to Walter Reed Army Medical Center. ...
Although acquitting him of the gun charges, the jury found Cort guilty of possessing ammunition, a misdemeanor. He was sentenced to time already spent in the D.C. jail.
It's hard to avoid the conclusion that the jury ultimately saw no benefit in applying the city's tight gun laws to a handicapped man who was just passing through. Maybe they even questioned the overall propriety of the laws. In the end, they rather clearly ignored the law to set Cort free with just a nominal slap on the wrist -- which he plans to appeal.
And that brings us to the case of Loren J. Swift. Swift was arrested during a peaceful encounter at his home with a sizeable quantity of marijuana and plants -- reportedly 25 pounds and 50 pounds, respectively. He had been convicted once before for marijuana possession. A Navy veteran, Swift says he smokes marijuana to relieve pain and alleviate post-traumatic stress disorder, but Illinois does not yet have a medical marijuana law.
Twenty-five pounds of grass, plus plants, in a state where marijuana is strictly illegal. That doesn't sound good for Swift. Except ...
On Wednesday in La Salle County Circuit Court, several jurors shook hands with an emotional Loren J. Swift after finding him not guilty of a marijuana charge that would have sent him to prison. ...
In the courthouse lobby, after the verdict, two male jurors talked and laughed with Swift and his attorney, Randy Gordon; one of the jurors patted Swift on his back. However, one of these jurors refused to admit he was a juror when The Times approached him for comment about the verdict; the other juror didn't deny he was indeed a juror, but nevertheless refused to talk.
Not surprisingly, observers at Swift's trial openly speculated about jury nullification. Once again, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that jurors sympathized more with the defendant than with the law, so decided to ignore what the statute books say.
In doing so, in both cases, justice prevailed. So did liberty.
We don't know what was going through the jurors' heads in the Cort and Swift trials, or whether any jurors were even familiar with jury nullification. But it's not that difficult a concept to invent from scratch, if necessary.
Historically, as President John Adams put it, it has been the juror's "duty ... to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court." Unfortunately, you won't come across that quote from Adams in many modern courtrooms. Government officials don't like being second-guessed by the hoi polloi, so the tradition of independent juries has been allowed to wither from neglect. Few jurors ever learn about the traditional power of juries.
But you don't need to know history to have an inkling that the rights of the individual sometimes violate the dictates of the law -- and then decide to come down in favor of individual rights. And individual rights are an endangered species in a nation increasingly hemmed in by laws and regulations that seem to render ever more of our daily activities either mandatory or forbidden. They need as much protection as they can get.
To preserve what's left of our liberty, jury nullification is a good and powerful tool for checking government power. But since it is frequently discouraged by judges and prosecutors jealous of their prerogatives, it's generally exercised on the sly -- often by jurors unaware that they're doing exactly what was originally intended. For that reason, we'll likely never know exactly when nullification is being exercised.
But we can celebrate it when we see it.
Continue reading on Examiner.com: Jury nullification at work in marijuana, gun cases - National Civil Liberties | Examiner.com Jury nullification at work in marijuana, gun cases - National Civil Liberties | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/civil-liberties-in-national/jury-nullification-at-work-marijuana-gun-cases#ixzz1D2OtyKss)
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Lynhal
02-05-2011, 01:27 AM
I had a heavy heart watching that. The guy was woken up out of an obvious dead sleep and jumped up with a golf club not knowing what the hell he was facing. And they shot him down like a true threat with their automatic weapons. How freaking cowardly. I appreciate what LEO do to keep our towns safe from real threats, but this is over the line. SOOOO over the F'ING line.
My heart literally bleeds for this gent and his family. I am whole heartedly saddened by this. This could be any one of us at any time. :(
killerweed420
02-06-2011, 06:39 PM
I love seeing jury nullification in action. And people have to remember even just one vote makes a difference. I know in my county the judge admonishes the jury that they are only allowed to consider the laws when making a decision, you're not allowed to use common sense or compassion. Really without common sense and compassion who are we?
aikidoisbudo
02-06-2011, 09:56 PM
damn nazi's
:mad:
Dexter007
02-06-2011, 10:54 PM
that is just wrong:mad:
i really feel bad bout that:mad:
that just isnt right:mad:
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