dark green ,stunted growth ,very flat and shiny , and rough to feel leave, plz help!!

[budbudding]

These very dark green leaves ive got ! their growth have stunted !,. They look like they have been placed in a book and squashed , they are that flat!! and stiff, also look i little crystlised on the egde's !! rough to feel and also the new leave's coming through are very dark green on the outside edge.. Any heard of this b4 ????

@ the moment i can't get pics on but i will try later

[Agoblue97]

really need the troubleshooting form filled out for more info. Just saying that the leaves are overly dark green sounds like maybe an overabundance of N, but hard to really tell just off the description you've left.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[budbudding]

really need the troubleshooting form filled out for more info. Just saying that the leaves are overly dark green sounds like maybe an overabundance of N, but hard to really tell just off the description you've left.:thumbsup::thumbsup:
Your Equipment:
1) Type and wattage of lights? SUN MASTER 600 WATT DUAL SPECTRUM
2) Distance from tops? 2FT
3) Reflector type?
4) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 600WATTS KELVIN RATINGS??? , 18 on 6 off
Your Equipment:
5) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? YES TWO 4" DUCTING FROM TENT TO OUT SIDE
6) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? How located? YES located @ inside at the top, fan @ top at a slight angle down ways
7) Do you have other equipments like heater, humidifier or any other? NO

Your medium:
8) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...) soil -PLAGRON GROW MIX WITH PROLITE, ADDED SUPER THRIVE 10 DROPS PER GALLON
9) Size of container. ????
10) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? NO
11) How did you use it? (How much soil in container, did you press, if transplanted when and from what size etc.)

Your nutrients and water:
12) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) TAP
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. (How often and how much) was 1/2a ltr ever 3 days , but ive just repotted to a 14 ltr pot, only slightly wet the soinl not ye fully watered as old soil was still very wet from last watering
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?not yet feeding plants only 9 10 days old , from a cutting !
15) How do you water/feed (slowly, pouring all the water at once, until seeing the runoff, etc... Give detail) JUST POUR LET SOAK THEN POUR AGAIN
16) What are the pH values (water, soil, ingoing, runoff) What are the pH checking methods? WATER IN IS ROUGHLY 6.5 USEING TEST KIT
17) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...) SUPERTHRIVE
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? NO

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? IN DOORS , GROW TENT
20) What size of closet, room or hut? 1200X1200X2000 mm
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights on temp is 80-84 rh 20%-33% has been changing alot lately ,and off was 60-70 but cold weather for the last couple of days so its been more like the 60 end rh 29-33,. but today i added a oil heater in the room to raise the temp and now ive got it to 70-72 rh 30 -38
22) What type of reflector material you're using for the walls?
23) Have you seen signs of insects in the grow room? NO

Your strain:
24) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) ?? JACK
25) From seeds or clones? I GOT THEM AS CUTTINGS
26) Is this an autoflower strain Your Equipment:??

[budbudding]

Also some of the leave's tips have started to point down ! if thats of any help!

[Agoblue97]

Alright after reading the troubleshooting form sounds like things should be going ok for you. As far as the dark green leaves, I really don't know, maybe someone else could help you a little more with that. Only thing I've seen that you've added is Superthrive, unfortunately I don't use that product or am I too familiar with it, so I really don't want to steer you wrong. Sorry:(

As far as your leaf tip starting to point down, thats just caused from your soil's pH being a little low. Almost everyone deals with this issue to some extent. Not really that big of deal as long as you are aware of what it is, and are careful when watering and feeding not to drop it anymore. If left completely unchecked it can result in lockout. However with you having new plants the soil's buffer are still present and you don't have anything to worry about. I have "problems" with Fox Farm Ocean Forest doing the same to my plants slightly for a couple weeks after transplanting.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[budbudding]

Alright after reading the troubleshooting form sounds like things should be going ok for you. As far as the dark green leaves, I really don't know, maybe someone else could help you a little more with that. Only thing I've seen that you've added is Superthrive, unfortunately I don't use that product or am I too familiar with it, so I really don't want to steer you wrong. Sorry:(

As far as your leaf tip starting to point down, thats just caused from your soil's pH being a little low. Almost everyone deals with this issue to some extent. Not really that big of deal as long as you are aware of what it is, and are careful when watering and feeding not to drop it anymore. If left completely unchecked it can result in lockout. However with you having new plants the soil's buffer are still present and you don't have anything to worry about. I have "problems" with Fox Farm Ocean Forest doing the same to my plants slightly for a couple weeks after transplanting.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Thats cool mate thanx anyway for your time !
And yeah your right about the ph being a little low , i was ph'ing my water at 6.5. or close to it , when i did come around to buy my self a ph meter i cheacked the run off water and that ph'ed about 5.2-5 ,,.. my water ph is 7.2, so from now on i'll just use untouched water i think ?

[budbudding]

Alright after reading the troubleshooting form sounds like things should be going ok for you. As far as the dark green leaves, I really don't know, maybe someone else could help you a little more with that. Only thing I've seen that you've added is Superthrive, unfortunately I don't use that product or am I too familiar with it, so I really don't want to steer you wrong. Sorry:(

As far as your leaf tip starting to point down, thats just caused from your soil's pH being a little low. Almost everyone deals with this issue to some extent. Not really that big of deal as long as you are aware of what it is, and are careful when watering and feeding not to drop it anymore. If left completely unchecked it can result in lockout. However with you having new plants the soil's buffer are still present and you don't have anything to worry about. I have "problems" with Fox Farm Ocean Forest doing the same to my plants slightly for a couple weeks after transplanting.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Would you say this is ph prob then , or over heating ???

[cturner1984]

defo a ph problem im going through the same thing.
i was adding stood tap water at 6.4 ph but the nutes in the soil were knocking it down meaning my run off was in the 5s!
ive added some garden lime to the top of the soil(raked it in),then watered once with lime water until my ph up arrives then ill be watering with ph'd tap water of around 7.8 hopeing my run off will be around 6.5......at the start of my grow the least i knew about was ph and its the most important thing to study in IMO.

have you noticed slow growth?
i have plus there grow wider rather than taller.

[budbudding]

defo a ph problem im going through the same thing.
i was adding stood tap water at 6.4 ph but the nutes in the soil were knocking it down meaning my run off was in the 5s!
ive added some garden lime to the top of the soil(raked it in),then watered once with lime water until my ph up arrives then ill be watering with ph'd tap water of around 7.8 hopeing my run off will be around 6.5......at the start of my grow the least i knew about was ph and its the most important thing to study in IMO.

have you noticed slow growth?
i have plus there grow wider rather than taller.

Yeah really slow , some leaves mainly the darker one's stoped growing altogether,. two plants only have four leaves , and ive had them in soil 10 days now , , ready for the bin they are !!

Im also in essex :))

Is you new growth showing sighns of a dark colour around the side?

[DzEe206]

one of my plants looked like that but in my case it was due to too much nitrogen. I'm on my first grow so don't take my 2 cents to seriously unless someone backs up what I'm sayong but I could be wrong tho.

[Ganjaskunk]

true noobes

[Agoblue97]

Well thanks in advance for everyone, Ganjaskunk:wtf:

[budbudding]

Well thanks in advance for everyone, Ganjaskunk:wtf:

Yeah thnx guy's great help. And thnx for finding thi thread agoblue! I couldnt find it know where :)

[Treez81]

It sounds and looks like a little too much nitrogen. The leaves will be very green and the tips turn down. Not to be confused with "the claw" that happens from ph too low. Just give them straight water for a couple of watering. Remember that cal mag has n.

[budbudding]

It sounds and looks like a little too much nitrogen. The leaves will be very green and the tips turn down. Not to be confused with "the claw" that happens from ph too low. Just give them straight water for a couple of watering. Remember that cal mag has n.

Do i have to let the water stand? If so how long? And what would happen if i didnt?

Only asking because my tips have clawed and leaves look shriveled up, skinny and dark green round the side's ,

What happend was my 1 week old babys were starting to go dark green with a purple'ish colour stem, So i took 1 out of the pot to find the roots were wraping around the out side , So straight away i thought tthese must need repotting, but the only pots i had was was 14ltrs one's ! I used playgron grow mix with perlite ,. Everything was going well untill 48hrs later i noticed that the tips were clawing, but previous i was advised to put 10 drops of superthrive with every Gallon ,So i did ! ,.. I done a flush thinking its be over cooked with superthrive , but im not to sure now if i've done the right thing as the plants still look the same and its been 3 days's now since the flush , i used normal tap water straight from the tap as i didnt have enough standing water to do the job, My ph of my tap water is 7.4-5 , the run off was about 6.0-6.5 , I was advised by a great rusty who has been giving me alot of advice to leave alone and see what happens when the new growth comes , But im a little worried as the new growth that was showing isnt growing ,!!

Any idea's mate or anyone for that matter ??

[cturner1984]

Do i have to let the water stand? If so how long? And what would happen if i didnt?

Only asking because my tips have clawed and leaves look shriveled up, skinny and dark green round the side's ,

What happend was my 1 week old babys were starting to go dark green with a purple'ish colour stem, So i took 1 out of the pot to find the roots were wraping around the out side , So straight away i thought tthese must need repotting, but the only pots i had was was 14ltrs one's ! I used playgron grow mix with perlite ,. Everything was going well untill 48hrs later i noticed that the tips were clawing, but previous i was advised to put 10 drops of superthrive with every Gallon ,So i did ! ,.. I done a flush thinking its be over cooked with superthrive , but im not to sure now if i've done the right thing as the plants still look the same and its been 3 days's now since the flush , i used normal tap water straight from the tap as i didnt have enough standing water to do the job, My ph of my tap water is 7.4-5 , the run off was about 6.0-6.5 , I was advised by a great rusty who has been giving me alot of advice to leave alone and see what happens when the new growth comes , But im a little worried as the new growth that was showing isnt growing ,!!

Any idea's mate or anyone for that matter ??

well sounds like youve sorted the ph out m8 so time will tell everythings abit slow or slower when you make changes.
i no its hard but just be patient lol and keep us posted:S3:

[budbudding]

well sounds like youve sorted the ph out m8 so time will tell everythings abit slow or slower when you make changes.
i no its hard but just be patient lol and keep us posted:S3:

Yeah sorted 1 thing out now gone from 1 thing to another tho mate !

What part of essex you from bruv?

[Treez81]

Just don't go crazy and overwater them. And throw away the superthrive.

[MadSativa]

true noobes

? and thats kinda why were all here yeah?


Just don't go crazy and overwater them. And throw away the superthrive.


oh no way that super thrive is great, it is like majik in abottle. and its cheep has B and hormoes, clones love that stuff and seeds.


but back on point, ph has to be about 6 not 6.5 also heavey dark green is a result of over nutes and I think its nitrigen specificaly, but I could be wrong. however checking ph is the first thing. check ph goin in then coming out the runoff. they both have to be at about 6 the runnoff will be a little off but 6.5 theri is not to bad any more and it can be bad. try diluting your nutes more with water, use half strenght and even 1/4 strenght when starting them off in seed or clone.

[budbudding]

? and thats kinda why were all here yeah?




oh no way that super thrive is great, it is like majik in abottle. and its cheep has B and hormoes, clones love that stuff and seeds.


but back on point, ph has to be about 6 not 6.5 also heavey dark green is a result of over nutes and I think its nitrigen specificaly, but I could be wrong. however checking ph is the first thing. check ph goin in then coming out the runoff. they both have to be at about 6 the runnoff will be a little off but 6.5 theri is not to bad any more and it can be bad. try diluting your nutes more with water, use half strenght and even 1/4 strenght when starting them off in seed or clone.

Thanx man , i will be checking the ph on the next watering

[DzEe206]

true noobes
so what if were noobs no one is born with all the skills and knowledge to grow perfect plants when they first start off. We all gotta learn some how especially by making mistakes but hey atleast I tried to give some advic and so far I'm not the only one who think it's a nitrogen problem!

[budbudding]

so what if were noobs no one is born with all the skills and knowledge to grow perfect plants when they first start off. We all gotta learn some how especially by making mistakes but hey atleast I tried to give some advic and so far I'm not the only one who think it's a nitrogen problem!

Na you right mate it is a n problem , its gotta be !! ..but what way ?? to high or to low ?? ..how am i gonna work that 1 out ?

[budbudding]

Na you right mate it is a n problem , its gotta be !! ..but what way ?? to high or to low ?? ..how am i gonna work that 1 out ?

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[jaydee84]

Na you right mate it is a n problem , its gotta be !! ..but what way ?? to high or to low ?? ..how am i gonna work that 1 out ?
ez bud m8 get your self a soil testing kit i picked one up other day great peace of kit got it from garden center £20 it dose PH, N, P, K, tells you if low high etc.....and what ever you add to bring back up go slightly less that recommended bring it up slowly each watering untill ya got it
GooD luck brva rabbit

[DzEe206]

damn I got lucky on that but what I did was lay off the nutes for a week then gave nutes after that and my plant turned out fine. From what I've read in my case it was too much nitrogen so if that doesn't help it may need more nitrogen but best of luck to you

[cturner1984]

Yeah sorted 1 thing out now gone from 1 thing to another tho mate !

What part of essex you from bruv?

im from harlow mayte yaself