Propossed Compassion Center in Providence RI..Has this been Posted Here Before?

[hghflyrjd1]

I am NOT the original poster of this Article.Just passing it on.If its been posted please let me know ill have it removed.


Store in Providence would grow, package and sell medical marijuana


07:05 AM EDT on Monday, June 28, 2010


By W. Zachary Malinowski

Journal Staff Writer

Gerald McGraw Jr., a principal in the Thomas C. Slater Compassion Center, in the large vault where marijuana for medical use would be stored before sale to licensed patients. The proposed Providence site was most recently Capitol Records Center, a storage facility.
The Providence Journal / Bob Thayer

PROVIDENCE, R.I. â?? The old warehouse complex in the Valley neighborhood has been many things to many people over the past 150 years. It was once home to the James Hanley Brewing Co., and Harry Houdini, the renowned escape artist, paid a visit and successfully broke free from a locked beer cask.
In recent years, the fortress-like site has served as the Capitol Records Center, a storage facility for reams of archived state documents.
Now, the two vacant buildings at 431 Harris Ave. may soon take on a new historic significance: A group of investors is contending to turn it into the stateâ??s first medical marijuana store. They would name it the Thomas C. Slater Compassion Center, after the late Providence state representative who championed the legalization of medical marijuana, to grow and applicants interested in operating a compassion center in Rhode Island under rules developed by the Department of Health. There are applications for other centers in Providence as well as for marijuana retail sites in Pawtucket, Portsmouth, the Warwick/Cranston area and northern Rhode Island. Several applicants have yet to secure an exact location while one did not respond to a request seeking a tour of its proposed facility. Another declined the offer, while Slater officials agreed to meet with a Journal reporter and photographer.
On Tuesday, the Health Department, which solicited the compassion center proposals, has scheduled a hearing in the Cannon Building, 3 Capitol Hill, Room 104, for the public to air its concerns or support for the various proposals.
The hearing begins at 10 a.m. Key issues are expected to be the location and the proposed security measures for the centers.
Gerald McGraw Jr. in one of the cavernous rooms where marijuana would be grown for medical use and sold to patients who are licensed by the state to use cannabis.
The Providence Journal / Bob Thayer

The Health Department plans to select up to three applicants by Aug. 1.
If the Slater Compassion Center is chosen, Gerald J. McGraw Jr., the investor groupâ??s president, and Chris Reilly, the groupâ??s spokesman, said that, by November, they can transform the 75,000-square-foot center into a thriving all-service marijuana outlet.
â??We will be a good corporate citizen, and we will contribute jobs to the economy,â?� Reilly said.
McGraw said that the center would train and hire up to 75 employees for security, cultivation, storage, sales and a variety of other services that the center would offer such as yoga, Reiki and hypnotherapy.
Only licensed medical marijuana users, who must be at least 18 years old, would be allowed on the grounds, and they would be the only ones who could take advantage of the other programs.
A business plan filed with the Health Department, part of the application process for all prospective operators, projects that the Slater Centerâ??s revenues will top $510,000 this year, and that those numbers are expected to grow nearly sixfold to $2.9 million by 2012.
Plans for the Slater Center are modeled after the Harborside Health Center, a well-established medical marijuana business in northern California with 46,000 registered patients and offices in Oakland and San Jose. McGraw has hired Harborsideâ??s parent company, CannBe, and several of its top officials to help his team launch the marijuana center in Rhode Island.
Medical marijuana has become a big business in the West. There are more than 200,000 licensed medical marijuana users in California and more than 80,000 in Colorado. Since last fall, the number of dispensaries selling marijuana in Colorado has surged from 70 to more than 1,100.
McGraw, right, and Thomas Underhill, security chief, in the proposed Thomas C. Slater Compassion Center.

Both states also have imposed a sales tax on the drug. Rhode Island, one of only six states that have approved medical marijuana dispensaries, along with the District of Columbia, has yet to consider such a proposal for the 1,800 patients registered under the burgeoning program.
About 25 new patients a month are getting medical marijuana licenses from the Health Department to deal with medical conditions that have been reviewed by physicians. Rhode Island has had a medical marijuana program since 2006.
Thomas M. Underhill, a retired state police lieutenant and a vice president at APG Security in Cranston, would be in charge of a sophisticated security system at the Slater Center.
Licensed patients would enter the grounds of the center by passing through a security gate on Harris Avenue. Once inside, valet service would be available for the infirm, and the patients would go to a 4,000-square-foot. satellite building that would serve as the compassion center. There, customers would be able to buy various strains of marijuana at prices ranging from $25 to $51 for an eighth of an ounce.
An ounce would cost anywhere from $450 to $550.
Under state law, a patient cannot be sold more than 2.5 ounces of marijuana during a 15-day period.
Among the possible strains that would be grown and sold at the Slater Center are Strawberry Cough, New York City Diesel, Chem Dawg and Mr. Nice. The various strains are designed to provide relief for a variety of maladies including chronic pain, muscle spasms, nausea, mood disorders and anxiety.
The center may sell up to 25 different strains in the on-site store that would feature glass and wood cases similar to those a customer might find at a jewelry store. Slater officials said that state law prohibits customers from smoking the marijuana on the grounds of a compassion center.
The larger, adjacent warehouse is where the marijuana would be grown, packaged and stored. McGraw, the centerâ??s president, said the product in the store would be moved to the warehouse each night.
The compassion center would be open for business 7 days a week from 10 a.m. to 7 p.m.
The warehouse would be the primary hub of activity. On the second floor, there are two expansive rooms that would be used to grow the marijuana. It is unclear how many customers the Slater Center would serve, but McGraw is hoping for about 600 to start.
The more customers that choose to buy marijuana from a center, the more marijuana its operators would be allowed to grow. As of last week, there were 1,790 licensed patients in the stateâ??s medical marijuana program. They may now get their marijuana only from among the stateâ??s more than 1,300 licensed individual growers.
Once the first compassion center opens, licensed patients would have the option of going there or continuing to deal with individual growers.
McGraw, who runs J&J Electric, in Warwick, said that he has a purchase and sale agreement in hand to buy the warehouse complex, provided that the state grants his group a license to open.
KEY POINTSMarijuana across the U.S.
States with operating medical marijuana dispensaries: California, Colorado, New Mexico.

States that have approved the opening of dispensaries: Rhode Island, Maine and New Jersey, and the District of Columbia.
KEY POINTSMarijuana across the U.S.
States with operating medical marijuana dispensaries: California, Colorado, New Mexico.

States that have approved the opening of dispensaries: Rhode Island, Maine and New Jersey, and the District of Columbia.
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[wkpjr1967]

$450 to $550 an ounce?
So much for "non-profit"!

[haiweigh]

they must be the ones on drugs, compassion my a**

[hghflyrjd1]

That's what I mean they charge crazy amounts and think people can afford this.It also said that we could choose to buy from the compassion center or deal with individual growers.Who should buy from them IF they could get quality meds for even 300.This seemed pretty interesting to me. Figured ied share it.

[CuriousDaimon]

Highflyer,

Good to see ya! Glad the garden is coming along so nicely, there is time for extracurricular reading. :smokin:

This is a pretty puffy piece, kind of free advertising. Shows how RI is all about who you know. The prices seem standard to dispensary models out west--no one is going to be in business and undercut street prices. Especially when there is little incentive other than patients' needs.

For everyone who wants to do something about the kind of compassion centers we get in RI, I suggest two things.

First, find the RI ASA thread and get involved. Without voice, the market cannot change.

Second, go to this website (http://www.health.ri.gov/programs/medicalmarijuana/index.php).

In the middle of the page, you can view all of the current compassion center applications in .pdf form. Take notes and identify the ones that you feel would do the best for our community. Contact them and give them your support and feedback, as APPROPRIATE. Do not antagonize those with whom you disagree. It would be disrespectful, damage our public information system, and not change the prices anyhow.

Finally, with info in hand go to the February 7th at 10:00AM. I will be there to give voice for myself and my community. If you don't speak up, why would anybody making money change the game?

"Free yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds."

CD

[OldHead09]

$450 to $550 an ounce?
So much for "non-profit"!


Lets all remember that a NON-Profit is simply a business status that falls under certain criteria. This is not the laymens definition incorporated into legislation. This is all governed by UCC (Uniformed Commercial Codes) as is all things in business and most things in life.


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"Any money (http://www.investorwords.com/3100/money.html) earned must be retained by the organization, and used for its own (http://www.investorwords.com/3563/own.html) expenses (http://www.investorwords.com/1842/expense.html), operations (http://www.investorwords.com/3467/operation.html), and programs (http://www.investorwords.com/3890/program.html)" - This means that the business can earn as much as it's greedy fingers can, keep all monies inhouse and annually adjust all employees salaries under operations cost no matter if it is 300,000$ or 3 million. As long as it is used within the year and all other criteria are met the NON-PROFIT can continue to make the "employee" and in most cases the president is a founding member and an employee who may then dictate what all expenses are and increase pay when necessary...Not completely sure but I have worked for a lot of NON-Profits and for my own sanity had to understand how managers where driving brand new cars every year and living in 300,000 dollar houses.....Sorry about the rant everyone!

I am going to now medicate!

[hghflyrjd1]

Cant wait to see how patients really react to what the cost will be for meds. IF they choose to ONLY deal with these COMPASSION CENTERS outrages PRICES, who will be able to afford it?And with that amount of space they can grow a lot of low cost meds IF they wanted to.

[DirtyApe]

I was growing in RI before it was medically legal and will continue to do so if these compassion centers come to be. Well, not IF but WHEN.

I refuse to pay $450-$500/ounce when I can grow it myself.

[hghflyrjd1]

I was growing in RI before it was medically legal and will continue to do so if these compassion centers come to be. Well, not IF but WHEN.

I refuse to pay $450-$500/ounce when I can grow it myself.

Its crazy to see these Prices when its clear they COULD produce lots of low cost meds.BUT, there will be other Centers that SAY they will offer meds at lower cost.Closer to 200-300 an OZ

[yeahforus]

Hi, I'm new here. I don't mean to sound like a know-it-all, but is this "Strain pricing tracker" not valid? It seemed as if it kept up with the price as sold in the compassion centers around the country...?...???

http://legalmarijuanadispensary.com/index.php?option=com_mmjexchange&view=exchange

[hghflyrjd1]

Hi, I'm new here. I don't mean to sound like a know-it-all, but is this "Strain pricing tracker" not valid? It seemed as if it kept up with the price as sold in the compassion centers around the country...?...???

- Medical Marijuana Strain Pricing & Popularity (http://legalmarijuanadispensary.com/index.php?option=com_mmjexchange&view=exchange)

Im sure it is accurate since the list prices are posted by the dispensaries in certain areas or states all states vary on the costs of medications.

[OldHead09]

Many speak of low cost to patients...until dispensaries are open patients have to kind of wing it. Just keep in my what you want from a caregiver and expectations before you register them. As far as costs....it really depends on the specific caregivers approach and understanding of the process. There are roughly several catagories from what I have seen so far. You have personal caregivers (ie. personal friend or family member) whom has the trust relationship and someone who you know and knows you. Then there is the caregiver whom one finds that has a scheduled grow and will work you in as a patient but nature dictates availablity. Lastly you have caregiver services which allow a patient legal access to meds without the wait period and grow time of beginning anew. Utilizing both caregiver slots a patient should be able to balance their medicinal needs. Good luck to you...there are many really good people in these forums who can be helpful along the way.. Happy growing

[theccman]

Read the applications on line at Medical Marijuana Information for Compassion Center Applicants: Rhode Island Department of Health (http://www.health.ri.gov/healthcare/medicalmarijuana/for/compassioncenters/)

Find out the truth, read 7 applications so far out of the 18 applications approved and two of the contenders are offering MM for $200+ per ounce, with many offering it around $300. Read for yourself!!! Hope Apothecry is the best one I've read so far. Check it out for yourself, its so much detail its scary....in a good way!!!! :D

Spread the word and participate in the hearing come Feb. 7th. Get more information at website above:thumbsup:

Peace

The Compassionate Cannabis Man:hippy:

[oceangrown]

Read the applications on line at Medical Marijuana Information for Compassion Center Applicants: Rhode Island Department of Health (http://www.health.ri.gov/healthcare/medicalmarijuana/for/compassioncenters/)

Find out the truth, read 7 applications so far out of the 18 applications approved and two of the contenders are offering MM for $200+ per ounce, with many offering it around $300. Read for yourself!!! Hope Apothecry is the best one I've read so far. Check it out for yourself, its so much detail its scary....in a good way!!!! :D

Spread the word and participate in the hearing come Feb. 7th. Get more information at website above:thumbsup:

Peace

The Compassionate Cannabis Man:hippy:


Hope apothecary's strain selection sucks! They picked them off of Ripac's list and from some ed rosenthal source. All the strains they listed are outdated ...Even then , starting from seed there is no guarantee they will be a potent pheno found. Also they say they will have meds two months from approval. How the hell are they gonna start seeds or even from clone and get finished cured meds in 60 days??? BS

[hghflyrjd1]

Read the applications on line at Medical Marijuana Information for Compassion Center Applicants: Rhode Island Department of Health (http://www.health.ri.gov/healthcare/medicalmarijuana/for/compassioncenters/)

Find out the truth, read 7 applications so far out of the 18 applications approved and two of the contenders are offering MM for $200+ per ounce, with many offering it around $300. Read for yourself!!! Hope Apothecry is the best one I've read so far. Check it out for yourself, its so much detail its scary....in a good way!!!! :D

Spread the word and participate in the hearing come Feb. 7th. Get more information at website above:thumbsup:

Peace

The Compassionate Cannabis Man:hippy:

I hope so...BUT LETS SEE WHICH ONES ACTUALLY GET TO OPEN.Or how long until they can open they might allow one to open then another down the line and so on.

[haiweigh]

Does anyone know if any of these establishments will be getting medication from caregivers with surplus to suppliment their own supplies? I guess it's common in other states. Something like that might add much diversity to the strains available at the dispensaries.

[hghflyrjd1]

Does anyone know if any of these establishments will be getting medication from caregivers with surplus to suppliment their own supplies? I guess it's common in other states. Something like that might add much diversity to the strains available at the dispensaries.

I think there would have to be a change in the laws to allow that.Unless people are just gonna donate the meds and not SELL it to the dispensaries.And even donations are not "acceptable" as far as people are making it seem by the way the law is written.

[oceangrown]

I think there would have to be a change in the laws to allow that.Unless people are just gonna donate the meds and not SELL it to the dispensaries.And even donations are not "acceptable" as far as people are making it seem by the way the law is written.

Your wrong..... do some research

[hghflyrjd1]

Your wrong..... do some research

Pop the link up.....Save me some time

[oceangrown]

sorry , gonna have to dig yourself

[CuriousDaimon]

2.12 Compassion Center Authorized Activities. A compassion center registered pursuant to §5.0 of these Regulations may acquire, possess, cultivate, manufacture, deliver, transfer, transport, supply, or dispense marijuana, or related supplies and educational materials, to registered qualifying patients and their registered primary caregivers who have designated it as one of their primary caregivers.

5.1.2 A compassion center shall not acquire, possess, cultivate, manufacture, deliver, transfer, transport, supply or dispense marijuana for any purpose except to assist registered qualifying patients with the medical use of marijuana directly or through the qualifying patientâ??s other primary caregiver.

There are heavy inventory requirements within the law, but nothing that explicitly requires documentation of where medicine is acquired.

6.11 A registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver may give marijuana to another registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver to whom they are not connected through the Departmentâ??s registration process established pursuant to these Regulations, provided that no consideration is paid for the marijuana, and that the recipient does not exceed the applicable limits specified in §2.8 of these Regulations.

So, in a nutshell, the law does not seem to protect the sale of medical marijuana from a patient or caregiver to a compassion center. The only protected transaction that is protected by law (as described at RIPAC orientation) is between a patient and his/her registered caregiver. Otherwise, gifts only.

6.5 A primary caregiver may receive reimbursement for costs associated with assisting a registered qualifying patient's medical use of marijuana. Compensation shall not constitute sale of controlled substances.

Highflyer seems to be correct that the law would have to be changed in order for compassion centers to be able to acquire medicine from patients/caregivers and allow those people to be compensated.

None of the applications I have read account within their budgets to acquire medicine. There is a standard ramp-up timetable, and those centers that deviate will most likely not be licensed. One center has networked with patients and caregivers to have strains donated. This might be a successful model, but does not warrant self-sufficiency.

I don't think Rhode Island will go the way of California, where growers can supplement their incomes by selling to dispensaries.

I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on Television. I do, however, like to read and be thorough. Please, if you have salient data that refutes my interpretation...I insist you share. All of the above quotes are right out of the Slater law itself, available on the RI DOH website and linked various times on this forum.

Be well,

CD

:twocents:

[oceangrown]

2.12 Compassion Center Authorized Activities. A compassion center registered pursuant to §5.0 of these Regulations may acquire, possess, cultivate, manufacture, deliver, transfer, transport, supply, or dispense marijuana, or related supplies and educational materials, to registered qualifying patients and their registered primary caregivers who have designated it as one of their primary caregivers.

5.1.2 A compassion center shall not acquire, possess, cultivate, manufacture, deliver, transfer, transport, supply or dispense marijuana for any purpose except to assist registered qualifying patients with the medical use of marijuana directly or through the qualifying patientâ??s other primary caregiver.

There are heavy inventory requirements within the law, but nothing that explicitly requires documentation of where medicine is acquired.

6.11 A registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver may give marijuana to another registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver to whom they are not connected through the Departmentâ??s registration process established pursuant to these Regulations, provided that no consideration is paid for the marijuana, and that the recipient does not exceed the applicable limits specified in §2.8 of these Regulations.

So, in a nutshell, the law does not seem to protect the sale of medical marijuana from a patient or caregiver to a compassion center. The only protected transaction that is protected by law (as described at RIPAC orientation) is between a patient and his/her registered caregiver. Otherwise, gifts only.

6.5 A primary caregiver may receive reimbursement for costs associated with assisting a registered qualifying patient's medical use of marijuana. Compensation shall not constitute sale of controlled substances.

Highflyer seems to be correct that the law would have to be changed in order for compassion centers to be able to acquire medicine from patients/caregivers and allow those people to be compensated.

None of the applications I have read account within their budgets to acquire medicine. There is a standard ramp-up timetable, and those centers that deviate will most likely not be licensed. One center has networked with patients and caregivers to have strains donated. This might be a successful model, but does not warrant self-sufficiency.

I don't think Rhode Island will go the way of California, where growers can supplement their incomes by selling to dispensaries.

I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on Television. I do, however, like to read and be thorough. Please, if you have salient data that refutes my interpretation...I insist you share. All of the above quotes are right out of the Slater law itself, available on the RI DOH website and linked various times on this forum.

Be well,

CD

:twocents:

WRONG!! Nice try though! Keep diggin!! Or maybe don't ......

[CuriousDaimon]

I guess we can't all be cannabis wonks?

:weedpoke:

[wkpjr1967]

WRONG!! Nice try though! Keep diggin!! Or maybe don't ......

If CD is wrong can you point out the provision on the law that allows for caregivers or patients can legally sell medication to a care center.

I don't see too many caregivers or patients going through the hard work of growing just to gift to a care center that is going to turn around and sell the medication for $200 to $500 an oz!

[hghflyrjd1]

If CD is wrong can you point out the provision on the law that allows for caregivers or patients can legally sell medication to a care center.

I don't see too many caregivers or patients going through the hard work of growing just to gift to a care center that is going to turn around and sell the medication for $200 to $500 an oz!

Right.He seems to just poke his head in to down everyones posts.

[theccman]

Hope apothecary's strain selection sucks! They picked them off of Ripac's list and from some ed rosenthal source. All the strains they listed are outdated ...Even then , starting from seed there is no guarantee they will be a potent pheno found. Also they say they will have meds two months from approval. How the hell are they gonna start seeds or even from clone and get finished cured meds in 60 days??? BS

From what I understand Aurora Indica, G13 1st gen, Bubble Gum, C+ 3rd gen are good meds? ;) They also have access to strong phenom clones from certified Dutch Growers in the states who know their stuff. No seed required so I don't know where you get your info. bro? Personally, if I were an existing care giver or group of caregivers, I could easily to pump up production in the begining by flipping my existing CG crop(s) to produce enough medicine to achieve the goals of providing cured meds within 60 days of getting the license. Once you make the transition from CG(s) to Compassion Center it wouldn't be hard to ramp up quickly if you do it right and stick to the guidlines. I'm just sayin...lol

I here that Hope Apoth has access to 32+ strains which have verified medicinal value. :D

Read their verifiable credentials on the application, the plan explains everything if you can read through it...lol Very deep and detailed. Read them all, you be the judge. Until you do, don't take anyones word for it, do the research. I put a link to the applications online:thumbsup:

[oceangrown]

From what I understand Aurora Indica, G13 1st gen, Bubble Gum, C+ 3rd gen are good meds? ;) They also have access to strong phenom clones from certified Dutch Growers in the states who know their stuff. No seed required so I don't know where you get your info. bro? Personally, if I were an existing care giver or group of caregivers, I could easily to pump up production in the begining by flipping my existing CG crop(s) to produce enough medicine to achieve the goals of providing cured meds within 60 days of getting the license. Once you make the transition from CG(s) to Compassion Center it wouldn't be hard to ramp up quickly if you do it right and stick to the guidlines. I'm just sayin...lol

I here that Hope Apoth has access to 32+ strains which have verified medicinal value. :D

Read their verifiable credentials on the application, the plan explains everything if you can read through it...lol Very deep and detailed. Read them all, you be the judge. Until you do, don't take anyones word for it, do the research. I put a link to the applications online:thumbsup:


I read through , while not every word of the 400+ pages. A lot of the info on medicinal cannabis was just cut and pasted. I guess if they had plants already in flower , they could have meds in 60 days . If you started from a clone for example, youd need to veg at least 1-3 weeks and flower at least 50 days , with most being 60+ days. SO that's at the earliest 57 days , and that not including drying and hopefully at least a 4 week + cure!

I did not see them list 32 strains just these-

Afghan (pure)
â?¢ Treatment: â??narcotic, sedative, relaxing; chronic pain, muscle spasms, anti-nausea,
antiemetic, and appetite stimulantâ?� (Ed Rosenthal, RIPAC and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 100% Indica
â?¢ Parents: Landrace heritage
Aurora Indica
â?¢ Treatment: â??fast, effective sedative, sleep inducerâ?� (Ed Rosenthal and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 90/10 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Nirvana Northern Lights and Nirvana Afghan
White Rhino
â?¢ Treatment: â??prized in medical community for effective relief of chronic pain; relaxing,
narcotic-benefit, chronic pain, anti-nausea, antiemetic, and appetite stimulantâ?� (RIPAC
and Ed Rosenthal)
â?¢ Strain: 90/10 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Afghan and Brazilian/South Indian
Vanilla Kush
â?¢ Treatment: â??Higher than usual CBD levels even for typical Indica strains; Medical
patients specifically report immediate relief from muscle spasms, headaches; Sedation,
Muscle Spasm Relief/Muscle Relaxation, Pain Reliefâ?� (Danny Danko and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 80/20 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Kashmir Hash Plant and Kush
Big Bang
â?¢ Treatment: â??Physical, muscle relaxation, pain relief, semi-narcotic ;Known for medicinal
properties and chosen by many medicinal users in Holland where it is known as Simm-
18, known to be good for muscle relaxer, for MS and chronic pain alleviationâ?� (Ed
Rosenthal and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 80/20 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Skunk/Northern Lights and El Nino
Blueberry
â?¢ Treatment: chronic pain, muscle spasms, anti-nausea, antiemetic, and appetite stimulant
(RIPAC, Ed Rosenthal and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 80/20 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Blueberry strains
Blue Cheese
â?¢ Treatment: MS, chronic pain, muscle spasms, anti-nausea, antiemetic, and appetite
stimulant (Ed Rosenthal, RIPAC and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 80/20 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Blueberry and bug Buddha cheese
Hope Apothecary 2010©
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Chronic
â?¢ Treatment: â??Effect is head and body; muscle spasms, anti-nausea, antiemetic, and
appetite stimulant (Ed Rosenthal, RIPAC and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 50/50
â?¢ Parents: Northern Lights Skunk, Northern lights, AK-47
White Widow
â?¢ Treatment: â?? Effect is head and body; epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, and other seizurerelated
illnesses (RIPAC and Ed Rosenthal)
â?¢ Strain: 60/40 Sativa Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Indian / Brazilian
AK-47
â?¢ Treatment: â??Alert, appetite stimulant, chronic painâ?� (Ed Rosenthal, RIPAC and other
sources)
â?¢ Strain: 65/35 Sativa Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Columbian, Mexican, Thai, Afghani


With sources cited as RIPAC , ed rosenthal , and Donny Darko of HIGH TIMES
High times top 10 medical list is so influenced by who advertises with them too

Their application was very detailed and looked great , but if your growing crappy strains ......

[oceangrown]

Also , what may I ask would a "certified Dutch grower " be?

The dutch got all their genetics from the states in the 80's , a lot from Sam the Skunkman . ALso if you have ever been to Holland, their Buds are inferior to what you would find here state side . California and Colorado is where it's at! WHy do you think High Times is moving the cup to Colorado ?

Doesn't matter anyway really , it is RI remember . WHo ever is the most connected and greases the most palms will be the first to open up.....:jointsmile:

[hghflyrjd1]

Also , what may I ask would a "certified Dutch grower " be?

The dutch got all their genetics from the states in the 80's , a lot from Sam the Skunkman . ALso if you have ever been to Holland, their Buds are inferior to what you would find here state side . California and Colorado is where it's at! WHy do you think High Times is moving the cup to Colorado ?

Doesn't matter anyway really , it is RI remember . WHo ever is the most connected and greases the most palms will be the first to open up.....:jointsmile:



I will agree win the last part.

[RIpatient7]

I will agree win the last part.

DITTO!!

[theccman]

I read through , while not every word of the 400+ pages. A lot of the info on medicinal cannabis was just cut and pasted. I guess if they had plants already in flower , they could have meds in 60 days . If you started from a clone for example, youd need to veg at least 1-3 weeks and flower at least 50 days , with most being 60+ days. SO that's at the earliest 57 days , and that not including drying and hopefully at least a 4 week + cure!

I did not see them list 32 strains just these-

Afghan (pure)
â?¢ Treatment: â??narcotic, sedative, relaxing; chronic pain, muscle spasms, anti-nausea,
antiemetic, and appetite stimulantâ?� (Ed Rosenthal, RIPAC and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 100% Indica
â?¢ Parents: Landrace heritage
Aurora Indica
â?¢ Treatment: â??fast, effective sedative, sleep inducerâ?� (Ed Rosenthal and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 90/10 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Nirvana Northern Lights and Nirvana Afghan
White Rhino
â?¢ Treatment: â??prized in medical community for effective relief of chronic pain; relaxing,
narcotic-benefit, chronic pain, anti-nausea, antiemetic, and appetite stimulantâ?� (RIPAC
and Ed Rosenthal)
â?¢ Strain: 90/10 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Afghan and Brazilian/South Indian
Vanilla Kush
â?¢ Treatment: â??Higher than usual CBD levels even for typical Indica strains; Medical
patients specifically report immediate relief from muscle spasms, headaches; Sedation,
Muscle Spasm Relief/Muscle Relaxation, Pain Reliefâ?� (Danny Danko and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 80/20 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Kashmir Hash Plant and Kush
Big Bang
â?¢ Treatment: â??Physical, muscle relaxation, pain relief, semi-narcotic ;Known for medicinal
properties and chosen by many medicinal users in Holland where it is known as Simm-
18, known to be good for muscle relaxer, for MS and chronic pain alleviationâ?� (Ed
Rosenthal and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 80/20 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Skunk/Northern Lights and El Nino
Blueberry
â?¢ Treatment: chronic pain, muscle spasms, anti-nausea, antiemetic, and appetite stimulant
(RIPAC, Ed Rosenthal and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 80/20 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Blueberry strains
Blue Cheese
â?¢ Treatment: MS, chronic pain, muscle spasms, anti-nausea, antiemetic, and appetite
stimulant (Ed Rosenthal, RIPAC and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 80/20 Indica Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Blueberry and bug Buddha cheese
Hope Apothecary 2010©
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Chronic
â?¢ Treatment: â??Effect is head and body; muscle spasms, anti-nausea, antiemetic, and
appetite stimulant (Ed Rosenthal, RIPAC and other sources)
â?¢ Strain: 50/50
â?¢ Parents: Northern Lights Skunk, Northern lights, AK-47
White Widow
â?¢ Treatment: â?? Effect is head and body; epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, and other seizurerelated
illnesses (RIPAC and Ed Rosenthal)
â?¢ Strain: 60/40 Sativa Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Indian / Brazilian
AK-47
â?¢ Treatment: â??Alert, appetite stimulant, chronic painâ?� (Ed Rosenthal, RIPAC and other
sources)
â?¢ Strain: 65/35 Sativa Dominant
â?¢ Parents: Columbian, Mexican, Thai, Afghani


With sources cited as RIPAC , ed rosenthal , and Donny Darko of HIGH TIMES
High times top 10 medical list is so influenced by who advertises with them too

Their application was very detailed and looked great , but if your growing crappy strains ......

First off, the bible says you don't need 4 weeks to dry and cure. My own experience confirms this too. 2 to 3 weeks tops, a little less if you figure out the couple trick to keep the taste sweet. So your first paragraph statement has a couple of holes in it. Ironically, I'm not saying you did, but it looks cut and pasted from some how to website.

Second, if you drafting a business plan, the best way to look like you did you homework is to reiterate the known industries alleged top professionals that the perveying party would be familiar with (ie, RIPAC, Ed Rosenthal, etc). You don't have to name every strain you will produce, but, it would be very wise to list the most popular and well-known strains of which will only help to establish to "Non-Industry" buffs, unlike us, that you have a clue about what you are doing. Nothing more, nothing less.

Third, and most poinient, what the HELL is a crappy strain???? I hate to break it you buddy, it has nothing to do with the strain, it has everything to do with the phenom!!!! You can grow 24 plants of the exact same strain and get 24 different potencies and yields with each plant. If you use 24 different feeding regiments, you'd even get pretty much 24 slightly different tasting plants too!

So your strain argument puzzles me??? Are you saying White Widow is a bad strain. Do you know that I've tasted over 15 different variations of this medicine and have gotten some great and horribly things from all them? Most of them had different effects... The problem is you are relying too much on the internet and not enough off the shelf reading by the more experience producers of MM.

Strains are pain specific, smoking is used primarily to get high though, well, with that being said I can see your argument. Accept for one thing brainiac, all strains react differently, in slight variations, for each indivual user. ;)

So you argument that any type of strain generally sucks at all shows that you have completely missed the point of the whole program and know very little about MM or its true purpose. If your using to just get high then you are part of the problem now aren't you...lmfao

I also find it funny how you love to slam people, organization's and boast that some of these organization are crooks they endorse the very people you were slamming on the same website. R U sure you're not a RIPAC plant seeing as how you just endorsed them a little while ago by posting their enews article....I'm just sayin:thumbsup:

So please be a little constructive newbie, your opions are wanted but not at the expense of having you run around like a know-it-all lunatic with not substance or real-world experience to back you your claims.

TRY POSTING A QUESTION AS OPPOSED TO A STATEMENT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT WHO THINKS THAT ADDING A LITTLE CONFIDENCE TO ONES STATMENT WILL PERSUED!!!!!!!!!!! Unless, of course, your right all the time....lol

[theccman]

Have you even tried any of the MM from some of these applicants????

I have for many and the quality is anything but crap. It's actually better than a lot of the stuff floating around Europe. Ironically, the best stuff is reserved for the regulars and they retail all the substandard med's... Go Fig!!!

[theccman]

2.12 Compassion Center Authorized Activities. A compassion center registered pursuant to §5.0 of these Regulations may acquire, possess, cultivate, manufacture, deliver, transfer, transport, supply, or dispense marijuana, or related supplies and educational materials, to registered qualifying patients and their registered primary caregivers who have designated it as one of their primary caregivers.

5.1.2 A compassion center shall not acquire, possess, cultivate, manufacture, deliver, transfer, transport, supply or dispense marijuana for any purpose except to assist registered qualifying patients with the medical use of marijuana directly or through the qualifying patientâ??s other primary caregiver.

There are heavy inventory requirements within the law, but nothing that explicitly requires documentation of where medicine is acquired.

6.11 A registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver may give marijuana to another registered qualifying patient or registered primary caregiver to whom they are not connected through the Departmentâ??s registration process established pursuant to these Regulations, provided that no consideration is paid for the marijuana, and that the recipient does not exceed the applicable limits specified in §2.8 of these Regulations.

So, in a nutshell, the law does not seem to protect the sale of medical marijuana from a patient or caregiver to a compassion center. The only protected transaction that is protected by law (as described at RIPAC orientation) is between a patient and his/her registered caregiver. Otherwise, gifts only.

6.5 A primary caregiver may receive reimbursement for costs associated with assisting a registered qualifying patient's medical use of marijuana. Compensation shall not constitute sale of controlled substances.

Highflyer seems to be correct that the law would have to be changed in order for compassion centers to be able to acquire medicine from patients/caregivers and allow those people to be compensated.

None of the applications I have read account within their budgets to acquire medicine. There is a standard ramp-up timetable, and those centers that deviate will most likely not be licensed. One center has networked with patients and caregivers to have strains donated. This might be a successful model, but does not warrant self-sufficiency.

I don't think Rhode Island will go the way of California, where growers can supplement their incomes by selling to dispensaries.

I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on Television. I do, however, like to read and be thorough. Please, if you have salient data that refutes my interpretation...I insist you share. All of the above quotes are right out of the Slater law itself, available on the RI DOH website and linked various times on this forum.

Be well,

CD

:twocents:


Well, thanks to the pleasantries of Oceangrown I again feel the need to enlighted without being a jerk. Unfortunately, he is correct though. The law states:

5.1.2 A compassion center shall not acquire, possess, cultivate, manufacture, deliver, transfer, transport, supply or dispense marijuana for any purpose except to assist registered qualifying patients with the medical use of marijuana directly or through the qualifying patientâ??s other primary caregiver.

As always, the biggest down fall of the law is that it is subject to individual interpretation. If you read the law and seperate each sentence, it actually give the paragraph a different meaning than the whole which is why law is always drafted in section upon subsection, etc.

So if you break down this part of the law as I just did. It means that CC can in fact buy from registered MM society. They can only do so if they are running low and cannot meet patients demand. In other words, no stockpiling like they do in CA.

This way theres little chance of a registered MM person to walk in and sell med's. They will most likely work with a small group of growers and buy from them when supplies or low or they want to introduce new product. So yes, the CG's should not be able to make a living off MM like they do in Cali.

On another note, no figures are needed in here for this particular section because, technically, they are just facilitating a transfer and this system will not allow them to stockpile med's. Simply put, you order, we hunt for and get, you buy.

So the law is pretty much complete and leaves little room to navigate. It's just a different one than the ones put forth in the other states. I think it's the only real shot at keeping the med's costs down if the right CC's are selected. There in lies the hard part...

Hope this was helpful:thumbsup:

The CC Man:hippy:

[hghflyrjd1]

see the thing is...... NO ONE HERE KNOWS FOR SURE................................No one here wrote the law or works at the Health Department or with any organization that would know.If you go by the written laws, WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE GRAY AREAS AND THINGS THAT ARE NOT CLEAR SO NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON HERE CAN SAY HOW IT WORKS 100%...And if someone says YES i do know it all ied like to meet you.

[theccman]

see the thing is...... NO ONE HERE KNOWS FOR SURE................................No one here wrote the law or works at the Health Department or with any organization that would know.If you go by the written laws, WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE GRAY AREAS AND THINGS THAT ARE NOT CLEAR SO NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON HERE CAN SAY HOW IT WORKS 100%...And if someone says YES i do know it all ied like to meet you.

Unfortunatly, you are pretty much correct. I do know the law very well though and when you see the work EXCEPT, that word is not subject to intrepretation since it is an exception to the existing law.

So, even though it leaves no room to wiggle. I've witnessed first hand and watched when judge(s) decide to reinterperet the law so even though the law may be cut and dry, a judge can overule whatever law they really want. Most people cannot bare the burden of a long legal battle and they know it!

Granted, it may not hold up but in the case of MM, but once you appeal it could eventually go to fed court and that's where the game will end.

Ironically, I've actually worked with an organizations that do "know" which is why I'm pretty certain how I explained it is how it is. Again, not a lawyer here and any insite I offer is in no way legal advice. Law is simple, we just over complicate it. Of which is the main reason I will never become a lawyer.

[oceangrown]

First off, the bible says you don't need 4 weeks to dry and cure. My own experience confirms this too. 2 to 3 weeks tops, a little less if you figure out the couple trick to keep the taste sweet. So your first paragraph statement has a couple of holes in it.

This shows how much real 1st hand experience you really have . Do some research on curing.....

Ironically, I'm not saying you did, but it looks cut and pasted from some how to website.


No , I got it from Jorge's book like yourself, lol , no ....

Second, if you drafting a business plan, the best way to look like you did you homework is to reiterate the known industries alleged top professionals that the perveying party would be familiar with (ie, RIPAC, Ed Rosenthal, etc). You don't have to name every strain you will produce, but, it would be very wise to list the most popular and well-known strains of which will only help to establish to "Non-Industry" buffs, unlike us, that you have a clue about what you are doing. Nothing more, nothing less.


Untrue, research Harborside and their consulting firm. You'd be better follow what leading CC's in california and CO are up too.

Third, and most poinient, what the HELL is a crappy strain???? I hate to break it you buddy, it has nothing to do with the strain, it has everything to do with the phenom!!!! You can grow 24 plants of the exact same strain and get 24 different potencies and yields with each plant. If you use 24 different feeding regiments, you'd even get pretty much 24 slightly different tasting plants too!


1st off , what is a phenom? Also shows your inexperience . Your referring to pheno , which a shortned term for phenotype. the 24 different plant example, also show inexperience . Sure slight variations, but nothing like your saying.

So your strain argument puzzles me??? Are you saying White Widow is a bad strain. Do you know that I've tasted over 15 different variations of this medicine and have gotten some great and horribly things from all them? Most of them had different effects... The problem is you are relying too much on the internet and not enough off the shelf reading by the more experience producers of MM.


Im saying white widow is old. It's not newer breeding , its from the 90's . Newer breeds are more potent and also many are getting CBD worked back into their genetics. As CBD is the real medicine in marijuana . Use your own advice about relying on others info, I have experience....

Strains are pain specific, smoking is used primarily to get high though, well, with that being said I can see your argument. Accept for one thing brainiac, all strains react differently, in slight variations, for each indivual user. ;)

So you argument that any type of strain generally sucks at all shows that you have completely missed the point of the whole program and know very little about MM or its true purpose. If your using to just get high then you are part of the problem now aren't you...lmfao

Ignorance is the problem....

I also find it funny how you love to slam people, organization's and boast that some of these organization are crooks they endorse the very people you were slamming on the same website. R U sure you're not a RIPAC plant seeing as how you just endorsed them a little while ago by posting their enews article....I'm just sayin:thumbsup:

Never said any organization was a crook , just HTG isn't the best option, my only slamming.

So please be a little constructive newbie, your opions are wanted but not at the expense of having you run around like a know-it-all lunatic with not substance or real-world experience to back you your claims.

What real experience do you have. Your first posts like 2 years ago was about your "FIRST GROW EVER".....

TRY POSTING A QUESTION AS OPPOSED TO A STATEMENT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT WHO THINKS THAT ADDING A LITTLE CONFIDENCE TO ONES STATMENT WILL PERSUED!!!!!!!!!!! Unless, of course, your right all the time....lol

:rastasmoke::rasta::hippy:

[oceangrown]

Unfortunatly, you are pretty much correct. I do know the law very well though and when you see the work EXCEPT, that word is not subject to intrepretation since it is an exception to the existing law.

So, even though it leaves no room to wiggle. I've witnessed first hand and watched when judge(s) decide to reinterperet the law so even though the law may be cut and dry, a judge can overule whatever law they really want. Most people cannot bare the burden of a long legal battle and they know it!

Granted, it may not hold up but in the case of MM, but once you appeal it could eventually go to fed court and that's where the game will end.

Ironically, I've actually worked with an organizations that do "know" which is why I'm pretty certain how I explained it is how it is. Again, not a lawyer here and any insite I offer is in no way legal advice. Law is simple, we just over complicate it. Of which is the main reason I will never become a lawyer.

It's not a grey area with this. The health department answered that specific question , that was put forth by a potential CC. It's all there on the site for all to see.


Also CC , don't take my posts in a negative light! I enjoy a positive argument! It's good for all to see many different sides and angles. :rasta:

[oceangrown]

Have you even tried any of the MM from some of these applicants????

I have for many and the quality is anything but crap. It's actually better than a lot of the stuff floating around Europe. Ironically, the best stuff is reserved for the regulars and they retail all the substandard med's... Go Fig!!!

Also the quality in europe , really sucks compared to stateside. Personally I can't say I have sampled any of their meds. It's just I see holes in their time line and not impressed with the strains they listed, is all . For all I know it could be the most amazing medicine there is? I have no idea , just what I read in the apps.

I would be most interested to hear descriptions of med's you have sampled from potential CC operators!!!

[CuriousDaimon]

The Missing Link (http://www.health.ri.gov/news/temp/mmp/201010MMPFAQs.pdf)

9. Q: Can compassion centers purchase seedlings and/or mother plants from qualified caregivers?
A: Section 5.1.2 a of the Rules and Regulations Relating to the Medical Marijuana Program [â??R21 28.6 MMPâ?�], permits a compassion center to acquire marijuana through â??a qualifying patientâ??s other primary caregiver.â?�

I think this is what Oceangrown in referring to. You were right, there was a direct answer given by the state. I will leave this statement open to interpretation.

The follow-up speculation would be whether a selected CC will buy your medicine. I would be happy to sample anybody's product to give "expert" opinion.
:jointsmile:

--CD

[oceangrown]

Still curious too how one gets a certification for being a "Dutch Grower"??:rastasmoke:

[theccman]

Still curious too how one gets a certification for being a "Dutch Grower"??:rastasmoke:

Dutch Growing is actually a world renown series of grow techniques said to be the best methods for producing some of best bud in the world. Pioneers of hydro I guess. They used to have classes over sea's and in the states a while back and you use to be able to get certified. Haven't researched in a while so I don't know much. Just know the techniques are solid.

[hghflyrjd1]

Just seen on the news. Ex URI and NBA player Cuttino Mobley to fund 4 million for a compassion center

Cuttino Mobley To Finance Proposed Medical Marijuana Center - ABC6 - Providence, RI and New Bedford, MA News, Weather (http://ww.abc6.com/Global/story.asp?S=13906746&config=H264)

[theccman]

Just seen on the news. Ex URI and NBA player Cuttino Mobley to fund 4 million for a compassion center

Cuttino Mobley To Finance Proposed Medical Marijuana Center - ABC6 - Providence, RI and New Bedford, MA News, Weather (http://ww.abc6.com/Global/story.asp?S=13906746&config=H264)

Did you look at his figure's??? 28Million in sales by year 3...wtf!

That's only if 2800 patients signed up to his CC and spent 10K a year on MM. There isn't even that many patients yet? 10K a year on MM and you definately have a problem...lol

[oceangrown]

Dutch Growing is actually a world renown series of grow techniques said to be the best methods for producing some of best bud in the world. Pioneers of hydro I guess. They used to have classes over sea's and in the states a while back and you use to be able to get certified. Haven't researched in a while so I don't know much. Just know the techniques are solid.

Who told you that bs or where did you read it? Certified bs :stoned:! Do some research on Heath Robinson and what he does.....

[theccman]

:thumbsup:
Who told you that bs or where did you read it? Certified bs :stoned:! Do some research on Heath Robinson and what he does.....

It's world renown technique, certification is a credital society term. Anyone can get certified for just about anything nowadays, I have a friend who is actually a certified A#&hole...lmfao. So your question/statement makes me chuckle a little for obvious reasons. It's really not that hard of a stretch to conceive that if their is a legitimate technique to do somthing where some sort of training may be involved in order to learn said technique, that some sort of certification needs to be provided in order to state you have learned the technique.

So, I posted a link to just one of many sites I've found on the topic, it's even mentioned is some of the books I've read as well. I could just leave you hangin and tell you do dig a little more, or not...lol :D

But, that's not my style so here's the link

Grow Dutch II (http://www.growdutch.net/)

By the way, love Heath Robinson and plan to use many of his techniques for my grow starting in Feb. We use very similar theories and light concepts, he's got much higher strain IQ and way more experience than I do...lol By the way, he also mentions Dutch Grow in several of his posting and writing if memory serve me correctly.

He is a true pioneer though and I recommend anyone who loves to tinker to try out some of his method's. The results are quite impressive even if your a newbie.