When can I take cuttings? Don't want to veg much long?

[poker2]

I have been veg'ing for almost 4 weeks now and recently transplanted. Still running 18/6 (on/off) lighting. My plant is indica dominate (bubba kush) and is only about 3-4&1/2 inches tall. It does not look like I can take a cutting from it right now... also it is fairly 'bushy' but very short.
Any ideas on what I can do. I only have that one right now and water at least 3 or 4 girlys :thumbsup: ...(honestly have no idea on the sex of the plant but I like girls more LOL :jointsmile:)

[johneg]

I have been veg'ing for almost 4 weeks now and recently transplanted. Still running 18/6 (on/off) lighting. My plant is indica dominate (bubba kush) and is only about 3-4&1/2 inches tall. It does not look like I can take a cutting from it right now... also it is fairly 'bushy' but very short.
Any ideas on what I can do. I only have that one right now and water at least 3 or 4 girlys :thumbsup: ...(honestly have no idea on the sex of the plant but I like girls more LOL :jointsmile:)

Wait??:jointsmile:

[poker2]

So it's okay to have a plant in the vegetative stage for a long period of time?
About how tall should the plant before before I can safely take at least two clones from it?

[poker2]

After taking cuttings from the plant ..that has been 5 weeks in veg, Can I put those cutting in a humid.-dome and straight into flowering with the 'mother plant'?

[jon420]

[quote=poker2]So it's okay to have a plant in the vegetative stage for a long period of time?QUOTE]

Veg as long as you want:thumbsup: I'm not sure on your other question, you need a cloning expert:smokin:

[canniwhatsis]

You can vege for as long as you want before flowering.

Many say 3-4 weeks because they are growing SOG style with 10-200 plants and need the plants to maintain an even canopy.

If your growing just a single plant for personal use, I'd vege a month and a half from clone, possibly 3 from seed.

As for cutting a clone, if it's from seed make sure you've got it sexed first. No reason to clone a male unless your breeding ;)

Got any pics of your proposed "mother"?

[poker2]

I can get some pics up in a while but I don't think it is showing any signs of sex yet..... It is about 4 weeks into veg. I don't mind going another week or two as long as I keep seeing progress :jointsmile:
@canniwhatsis, Thanks for the reply but you only sort of answered my question or I just don't understand your answer :S. So if I was to take a clone from the "mother plant" that has been veg'ing for over a month do I still need to veg the clones that I take from the plant?

[poker2]

PS. Even if it is a male plant - It still produces buds that contain THC. Just not as much THC as a female would produce, correct? So these 'male' buds would be smokable correct? Or is a male plant so THC low that there is not purpose in smoking the buds from a male plant? It's personal use and I have a loww tolerance level right now.

[canniwhatsis]

So if I was to take a clone from the "mother plant" that has been veg'ing for over a month do I still need to veg the clones that I take from the plant?

Yes and no,.... once a clone is rooted it can be put straight to flower,... I've even heard that you can actually root clones under 12/12 lighting tho I've not personally tried it.

The downfall of rooting a clone then flipping the lights is yield. To be a good healthy clone, it should be 2-4 nodes of growth,..... that's not much, and it's reflected in the yield @ harvest. On my clones that I've flowered I've averaged slightly less than .5 oz dry weight,.... the wife smokes more than that in a month, so I'd have to do 4 clones just to keep up with her given the 2 month flowering cycle.


Long story short, if you want more than .5 oz or less for your 2.5 months of hard work, YES you need to vege your clone in for at least 3-4 weeks after it's rooted. (Just a guess since I don't know your strain or how it grows, but that length of vege should hit 1.5-2 oz dried yield)


As for your question about the males,.... No, males don't produce buds, just long shoots of pollen sacks that open as soon as they are mature, then within a few day's fall off.

Does a male plant still contain THC, yes, it's still MJ, however it's not concentrated in trichomes like it is in female plants. The effect of smoking a male should be about the same as smoking a veging female.

Trichomes form primarily on the flowers, which become seeds if fertilized. So the plant pumps THC into em during flowering to deter bugs from eating the flowers/seeds.

Too bad it doesn't work on us Humans tho! :D :rastasmoke:

Pic is a Male in Full bloom. the little "Pods" in the pic are about 1/8" in diameter.

[poker2]

Okayyy some very good info for me! Thanks canniwhatsis!!
Now... I am going to CRY if my 'girl' isn't actually a girl! uh-oh :( Hopefullyyyyyyyy it IS!:jointsmile:
Yeah - I will probably take the cuttings and do maybe a month of veg. and at the same time keep veging the 'mother plant' with the cuttings.
(that will give the mother 2 month veg and clones 1 month veg)

**Do you necessarily need a cloning gel/powder? Or can you just cut the stem at 45degree angle and your okay to plant in peat moss+humid dome or cup of water/covered with plastic wrap.
PS. My strain is (bubblegum x og kush) -> Bubba Kush
80/20 - indica/sativa

From seeds

[canniwhatsis]

**Do you necessarily need a cloning gel/powder? Or can you just cut the stem at 45degree angle and your okay to plant in peat moss+humid dome or cup of water/covered with plastic wrap.
PS. My strain is (bubblegum x og kush) -> Bubba Kush
80/20 - indica/sativa

From seeds

I've heard both way's, but why risk it? A bottle of Clonex is $21 (depending on where you live) And I'm less than halfway thru mine with around 200 clones cut.


As for Seed growing,... I've got limited experience with seed grows, but they seem to take longer to vege, tho produce better than clone grows in flower.

However, I haven't done a blind test, so most of that is just from hearsay ATM ;) My Seed Grows are fixing to come down in the next month, and i took clones,.... time will tell on the cloning thing I guess! ;):pimp:

I want to do a side by side, "From seed" and "Clone" grow in flower,..... trouble is working out the timing given the sexing of the seedling..... :(



I'm digressing here aren't I?:stoned:


Ohhh Yeah! BubbaKush,.... I've smoked some,... but never grown it :( sorry bro, can't help ya much there.





:bonghit:

[poker2]

@canniwhatsis,
That would be very interesting to see (clone vs seed grow)
And about you not growing but smoking bubba kush(bubble gum x OG kush)...how was is? Body high? flavor? etc... :)
Also I am extremly tight on cash so my goal this time was to be able to get my money back and some for future.. upgrades/products/ferts/clone solutions etc... it is just for my personal use and another family member so ...
MY QUESTION: would I be able to manage without the cloning solution for this first time?
...there were actually two questions:) (in blue text) :jointsmile:
^I know I can get info about bubba kush if I search but I am curious about your personal experience:stoned:

[canniwhatsis]

I puff so little that pretty much everything knocks me out.

However by comparison to the strains I've grown it was more towards the sativa end of the spectrum. A bit heady, and energetic. Would be a pretty functional med as in you can still function in daily life while on it. Flavor was decent,... again tho I don't puff much, so I can't really describe differences.



For your 2nd question, I suppose you could give it a try without any solutions, but I haven't heard of great success unless using one of those aeroponic cloners.


As for being tight on cash and trying to make any back,...... Your gonna want the plant to be MUCH bigger than about 4" tall before trying to take a clone. Keep veging get it sexed, then let it get about a foot or so tall, by then it should have some good size branches.

You can take the tops of branches, and the top of the plant as clones. I've seen clones in dispensary's that were 3 nodes taken from the middle of a branch. If your gonna try and do it for cheap, your gonna want backups so if one dies there's others still left.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

I puff so little that pretty much everything knocks me out.

However by comparison to the strains I've grown it was more towards the sativa end of the spectrum. A bit heady, and energetic. Would be a pretty functional med as in you can still function in daily life while on it. Flavor was decent,... again tho I don't puff much, so I can't really describe differences.



For your 2nd question, I suppose you could give it a try without any solutions, but I haven't heard of great success unless using one of those aeroponic cloners.


As for being tight on cash and trying to make any back,...... Your gonna want the plant to be MUCH bigger than about 4" tall before trying to take a clone. Keep veging get it sexed, then let it get about a foot or so tall, by then it should have some good size branches.

You can take the tops of branches, and the top of the plant as clones. I've seen clones in dispensary's that were 3 nodes taken from the middle of a branch. If your gonna try and do it for cheap, your gonna want backups so if one dies there's others still left.

ive done clones with just plain water, and id go with a gel/powder anyday. rooting ratios are 95-99% with and 50-65% without. agreed, on the backup deal nothing worse than losing a prize strain.

[GaGrown]

I've heard both way's, but why risk it? A bottle of Clonex is $21 (depending on where you live) And I'm less than halfway thru mine with around 200 clones cut.


As for Seed growing,... I've got limited experience with seed grows, but they seem to take longer to vege, tho produce better than clone grows in flower.

However, I haven't done a blind test, so most of that is just from hearsay ATM ;) My Seed Grows are fixing to come down in the next month, and i took clones,.... time will tell on the cloning thing I guess! ;):pimp:

I want to do a side by side, "From seed" and "Clone" grow in flower,..... trouble is working out the timing given the sexing of the seedling..... :(



I'm digressing here aren't I?:stoned:


Ohhh Yeah! BubbaKush,.... I've smoked some,... but never grown it :( sorry bro, can't help ya much there.





:bonghit:

Hey Canna,
Your so so right on the seed harvest versus clone. I have skunk from seed and Big Bud from clones. The Skunk has much denser buds and sturdy stalks than the Big Bud. By comparison the seed crop will yeild as much as the clones would visually,but but weight will be more than my clones do. Here is a pic of the density in the skunk. The Big Bud has fat buds but are somewhat fluffy and go to denser at the tips. The plants are even smaller,(skunk).

[poker2]

Back to what canniwhatsis was saying:

If it is a male I won't have any buds really? Mostly seeds...
->Are these seeds all male? Or is it random some can be male when planted and other can be female?(like normal seeds)
Here's what I am thinking ... it's soon to be 6 weeks veg which I think after doing my reading :) is a decent amount of time. If I flower it and it's male then I got seeds to work with in the future? If it's female then budd!! :jointsmile:
If it's female and has seeds are those 100% female seeds then ("feminized seeds")? Appox how many seeds can you get after taking a "male" seed through a good veg and 8-10weeks flowering?

^^Sorry got carried away a little. :stoned: Just pull out any questions you can from that and throw it my way :thumbsup:

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Back to what canniwhatsis was saying:

If it is a male I won't have any buds really? Mostly seeds...
->Are these seeds all male? Or is it random some can be male when planted and other can be female?(like normal seeds)
Here's what I am thinking ... it's soon to be 6 weeks veg which I think after doing my reading :) is a decent amount of time. If I flower it and it's male then I got seeds to work with in the future? If it's female then budd!! :jointsmile:
If it's female and has seeds are those 100% female seeds then ("feminized seeds")? Appox how many seeds can you get after taking a "male" seed through a good veg and 8-10weeks flowering?

^^Sorry got carried away a little. :stoned: Just pull out any questions you can from that and throw it my way :thumbsup:

sex 101:

males have balls, these balls have pollen, pollen will travel to the the spread legs of the female which is two hairs split apart. more hairs will form and more pollen released and voila you could literally have no useable bud...just seed. pollen lands on the hairs to form as as seeds and combine genetics between the male and female. buds, and thc form to protect the seed structure. for 99.9% female seeds you need a female plant and force it to hermie and use that pollen on the same cutting of the forced plant. the subsequent seeds will be female. males by themselves cannot seed, they can however make you sneeze.

[poker2]

So from a regular male plant I won't really get any seeds? And not really get any bud either? In other words, It is completely useless for the "first time grower" ;)
Ps. Just thought I'd ask because this is my only plant - If it turns out to be male and has no buds or no seeds could I take all the useable leaves and maybe make some type of canna-butter, hash, oil..anything out of it?

[poker2]

Also just thought I'd post this: I have been doing quite a bit of reading about preflower-sexing. Mines has quite a few of these little thin green (string like) things coming of the main stem... not quite sure how to describe them.

Look similar to some of the stem like things in this pic: http://breedbay.co.uk/gallery/data/500/QuerkleB-16dec07-preflowers.jpg

Except not as big yet.
So any chances I may be looking at a female? :thumbsup::jointsmile:
I can't take any actual pics of them yet because my camera is so low quality and they are still quite small(the leaf pistil things)

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Also just thought I'd post this: I have been doing quite a bit of reading about preflower-sexing. Mines has quite a few of these little thin green (string like) things coming of the main stem... not quite sure how to describe them.

Look similar to some of the stem like things in this pic: http://breedbay.co.uk/gallery/data/500/QuerkleB-16dec07-preflowers.jpg

Except not as big yet.
So any chances I may be looking at a female? :thumbsup::jointsmile:
I can't take any actual pics of them yet because my camera is so low quality and they are still quite small(the leaf pistil things)

in the link, that would be a female. keep in mind hermied plants may may appear female on the onset but can still have male pods. they usually sway more one way or the other. meaning either mostly female or mostly male. just keep an eye out for that possibility. the green things you speak of are not what your looking for its the thin wirey white hairs that come out where those green things are. the females are called pistils males are stamens. stamens to the untrained eye may appear female in the beginning. so be patient. a magnifying glass is most helpful.

[poker2]

Yeah, I order a magnifying glass..hopefully get it soon.
So are the white hairs (for females-pistils) or (for males-stamens) develope from or near/on those green things I am talking about? which means I am going to have to wait a while more...

Can I get a name for what those green things are called?..so I don't have to call them "things" ;) LOL

[Rusty Trichome]

Unless you have a perfectly controlled growroom and the experience to provide perfectly for you plants...chronological age should be more of a baseline figure, not as a hard-n-fast rule. If your plant isn't ready to have clones taken at 4 weeks, it isn't ready. Pushing it could ruin the mother plant AND the immature branches you're trying to clone. (have some patience) You can keep a plant in the growth phase for years, with proper handling.

A male plant can only offer you pollen. No buds, no seeds. Check the male leaves for trichomes. If there are any, dry some leaves and smoke it, then tell us if it was worth it. In desperate times I've smoked the male, but it's not at all like smoking the females. I really wouldn't bother making butter with males though. IMHO, not worth wasting the other ingredients.

The calyx's on a female will eventually push-out a couple of hairs from the pointy end. These pistils are tubes designed to catch and transport the pollen to the heart of the calyx. (to the embryo) One calyx plus one grain of pollen makes one seed.

Male pollen sacks and female calyx's can look alike, and sometimes the pistils take their time popping-out. Be damned sure you aren't killing a slow-developing female.

[tikiroom]

This should help you to understand what you're looking at.

[poker2]

Thanks for the pic Tiki....I think what I am looking at are either stipules or calyx coming off mostly my main stem ... although right now they look way to small to be stipules.

VERY WELL put Rusty :). Not until very recently did I find out that male plants are just a bunch of pollen :wtf:

Just really quickly - will the pistils come out (female-preflower) in veg stage? Is it something that may take months of veg to show? Or only show in flower?

And don't get me wrong here... I don't mind waiting. I actually LOVE watching "her?:D" grow day by day and seeing what looks different. This is the first canna-plant ;) I have ever seen in real life :jointsmile:

I will take some pics and post them here... maybe someone can give me some more insight. Although, I am not expecting a perfect answer because I also believe it is pretty early to know. (Just so you guys know what I am talking about:))

[canniwhatsis]

Weather or not the plant will start to actually "Show" (Sprout pistils) preflowers seems to be a mystery concoction of environment, age, strain, and eye of newt.

the more reading I do the more I read threads where the grower wasn't able to sex until week 2 of flowering :wtf: where in my room there's no doubt about sex by about 6" tall. I quite literally have pistils over 1/4" on most all of my strains under 18/6 lighting.

[Rusty Trichome]

Well, let me correct something before I get called-out on it. The stigma's are the actual tubes, (white hairs) the pistil is the reproductive package that delivers the pollen to the ovaries. When they appear is usually different for each strain. Usually within the first 5-6 weeks of growth phase.

But just because they appear in the growth phase, does not mean you HAVE to flower her soon. It means she's ready to flower when you are.

For pictures...turn off the fans, raise the lights a bit, and steady the camera on books or boxes or something to keep the camera steady. Adjust the white balance if you know how.

[poker2]

For pictures...turn off the fans, raise the lights a bit, and steady the camera on books or boxes or something to keep the camera steady. Adjust the white balance if you know how.

Thanks for confirming your info. As for the camera i tryed taking pics but with the flash off on the camera nothing really shows and with it on it's so bright you just see mostly a white sceen. When I can get an okay pic it's blurry or is good but does not show what I need you guys to see.. the preflower part... just shows the fan leaves...
O well... maybe I can get a new/better camera in the future. Thanks for the camera tips though :) or maybe when I get my microscope :)

[poker2]

Just thought of something, can someone confirm that it makes sense? :)
I have the plant and it's in week 5 of veg. AT week 6 should I change the lights from (18/6 - on/off) to (12/12 - on/off). So basically put it in flower because I am not planning on keeping it for cutting(mother plant) and if it is a male I will scrap it anyways. If it's female I'll keep. So then it's not really necessary to keep in it veg anymore right?

[RAINHAZE]

Just thought of something, can someone confirm that it makes sense? :)
I have the plant and it's in week 5 of veg. AT week 6 should I change the lights from (18/6 - on/off) to (12/12 - on/off). So basically put it in flower because I am not planning on keeping it for cutting(mother plant) and if it is a male I will scrap it anyways. If it's female I'll keep. So then it's not really necessary to keep in it veg anymore right?

Sure. If ya want to. It's all up to you.

Hey Poker2, I see you don't have an avatar. If you want me to make you one, I'd be glad to. :D
Give me a holler.

[poker2]

Sure. If ya want to. It's all up to you.

Hey Poker2, I see you don't have an avatar. If you want me to make you one, I'd be glad to. :D
Give me a holler.

That would be awesome...and the reason I don't have an avatar is I don't know where to go to put one, but if you could make me a cool one I'll use that :D

And Right now I am on lights:
18/6 - on/off (on starting at 4am)
I want to do 12/12, would it be okay to change that morning time from 4am to something like 6 or even 7am?

[canniwhatsis]

Sooooo..... take 3 hours out of the morning and 3 out of the evening? Ummm, yes. That would be more like the natural light cycle anyway as the day's get shorter the sun comes up later and goes down earlier.

I have my flower run overnight (7pm-7am) and my vege in the day (5am-11pm), so when I move a plant it gets an extended light cycle.

As long as the change is made and your not waffling back and forth on the light cycle for an extended period of time you'll be just fine ;)

[poker2]

As long as the change is made and your not waffling back and forth on the light cycle for an extended period of time you'll be just fine ;)

PERFECT! exactly what I would have liked to hear :)
And that's exactly what I have right now/plan to do :thumbsup: "flower run overnight (7pm-7am) and my vege in the day (5am-11pm)"

[poker2]

Oh and forgot to ask, is there a "better" time to change the lights (ex. after watering, or when the soil is dry etc?) or can you change the light cycle anytime

[RAINHAZE]

That would be awesome...and the reason I don't have an avatar is I don't know where to go to put one, but if you could make me a cool one I'll use that :D

And Right now I am on lights:
18/6 - on/off (on starting at 4am)
I want to do 12/12, would it be okay to change that morning time from 4am to something like 6 or even 7am?

I made you an avatar. Ya don't hafta like it. But if you do,
Click on this link. Go to first pic, right click, and "save image as".
Then go into your own profile and add avatar image from your pc.

Cannabis Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary, News (http://boards.cannabis.com/album.php?albumid=596)

[canniwhatsis]

LMAO!!!!! Rain, that Calvin and Hobbs one was freakin great! :thumbsup:

[GaGrown]

After taking cuttings from the plant ..that has been 5 weeks in veg, Can I put those cutting in a humid.-dome and straight into flowering with the 'mother plant'?

You don't want to go straight to flowering a cutting.. You gotta veg it before you flower.. Otherwise you get nothing! I did say NOTHING! Let them veg and flower them at 12-14 inches tall.Thinking you have an HID light?

[poker2]

I made you an avatar. Ya don't hafta like it. But if you do,
Click on this link. Go to first pic, right click, and "save image as".
Then go into your own profile and add avatar image from your pc.

Cannabis Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary, News (http://boards.cannabis.com/album.php?albumid=596)

That's man I really appreciate that!
Oh and I changed the light cycle from 18/6 to 12/12.... Let see what happens now :)

GaGrown: I am using CFL's right now :|

[tikiroom]

RAINHAZE,

What program are you using to create those images?

Sorry for the partial thread jack. :hippy:

[poker2]

Aha don't worry about it Tiki. I'm also interested! and I LOVEE the avatar pic you made me btw:)

And I chained the light cycle and today I sorta noticed some slight bumps on where some of the stems hit the main stem... like the size of a small mosquito bite bump you would get if you were to be bitten by a mosquito(but a few places).. Would that be a sign of a male:( ..still pretty early though.

[poker2]

So what I was referring to are stipules? In this pic:
Any confirmation or anyone see any signs of sex that I don't? :)

[RAINHAZE]

RAINHAZE,

What program are you using to create those images?

Sorry for the partial thread jack. :hippy:

I use Photoshop CS4.

Glad ya like it poker2!:thumbsup:

[GaGrown]

So what I was referring to are stipules? In this pic:
Any confirmation or anyone see any signs of sex that I don't? :)

Don't see anything in that pic.Could you get a pic posted of closer to the top of the plant? Then we might see something.:thumbsup:

[GaGrown]

I use Photoshop CS4.

Glad ya like it poker2!:thumbsup: I think everyone involved in this thread.... Should get a free avatar from RAIN..:thumbsup::)

I feel so left out!:mad:

[RAINHAZE]

I think everyone involved in this thread.... Should get a free avatar from RAIN..:thumbsup::)

I feel so left out!:mad:

Well GaGrown, what can I say?
.... 'cept, go check my profile and see if ya like it.:D

[poker2]

RAINHAZE once again nice job :thumbsup:
And if you don't mind me asking where do you get the nice pictures you use to make the avatar like the spliff and leaf in your avatar are two different pics right?

And don't forget about my other question ;):)

[GaGrown]

Well GaGrown, what can I say?
.... 'cept, go check my profile and see if ya like it.:D

I was messin' with ya! I feel nowhere near left out... I have to hand it to ya!:thumbsup: That's cool as Hell!! You gonna let me use it? I saved it.. But only if ya say it's OK! It's your work! Nice at that!:smokin::stoned::D

[RAINHAZE]

I was messin' with ya! I feel nowhere near left out... I have to hand it to ya!:thumbsup: That's cool as Hell!! You gonna let me use it? I saved it.. But only if ya say it's OK! It's your work! Nice at that!:smokin::stoned::D

lol yeah I knew you were just messin', :thumbsup: Thanx for compliments. Hell yeah you can use it! It makes me feel good seeing friends with avatars I worked on.:D

@poker2; Thanx, usually I'll look for a pic that looks good, and just edit it. I used to be an artist years ago, so it comes easy.:jointsmile:

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Weather or not the plant will start to actually "Show" (Sprout pistils) preflowers seems to be a mystery concoction of environment, age, strain, and eye of newt.

the more reading I do the more I read threads where the grower wasn't able to sex until week 2 of flowering :wtf: where in my room there's no doubt about sex by about 6" tall. I quite literally have pistils over 1/4" on most all of my strains under 18/6 lighting.

oh hell yeah wait until them balls are ready to bust and then start the nuetering:(...guys cover'em up.

[poker2]

oh hell yeah wait until them balls are ready to bust and then start the nuetering:(...guys cover'em up.

I am not sure what you mean... So it's a male? :(:(:(:mad::mad::mad::(:mad::(:mad:

[GaGrown]

Have to say! We got some Bad Ass Avatars! :thumbsup:Thank ya Rain!:D Awesome!

[poker2]

Don't see anything in that pic.Could you get a pic posted of closer to the top of the plant? Then we might see something.:thumbsup:

Here are some more pics.. not sure if this is what you meant by top of the plant so I took on as if you're standing up over it and one of the stems/etc near the top....
..Near the end of the second day of Flowering (12/12)

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Here are some more pics.. not sure if this is what you meant by top of the plant so I took on as if you're standing up over it and one of the stems/etc near the top....
..Near the end of the second day of Flowering (12/12)

i cant see one way or the other based on pics, wait another ten days and see.

[GaGrown]

Here are some more pics.. not sure if this is what you meant by top of the plant so I took on as if you're standing up over it and one of the stems/etc near the top....
..Near the end of the second day of Flowering (12/12) Start looking around a week or 10 days very close. Still can't see anything with only being in 12/12 for two days.Just not long enough to tell yet..:thumbsup:You go thangs on the right track!:jointsmile:

[poker2]

You go thangs on the right track!:jointsmile:

That's good to know!
I will wait and keep you guys posted when I find out or if I don't know i'll ask:thumbsup::jointsmile: