Need help

[xsnoder]

Hi everyone, Need help.
Some redish rust color spots have appeared on a few leaves of two of my plants during flowering. The spots aren't ,really, going crazy but definitly spreading when they show on a leaf? Checked k-def? and trying to apply a mild n-p-k but am unsure if the spots and yellowing aren't normal for some strains during flowering?
My medium is Sh. peat 75%-- 25% mixed soil. First time using this type of medium.
total ph for that mix is around 5.0 I believe
I feed one with BC products and the other with Fox farm products.
Both plants show signs of the spots but when the little plant shows spots on a leaf, it will spread across the leaf pretty fast.
I am new to growing indoors and in soilless applications. Any help would be very much appreciated.

[jaydee84]

Hi everyone, Need help.
Some redish rust color spots have appeared on a few leaves of two of my plants during flowering. The spots aren't ,really, going crazy but definitly spreading when they show on a leaf? Checked k-def? and trying to apply a mild n-p-k but am unsure if the spots and yellowing aren't normal for some strains during flowering?
My medium is Sh. peat 75%-- 25% mixed soil. First time using this type of medium.
total ph for that mix is around 5.0 I believe
I feed one with BC products and the other with Fox farm products.
Both plants show signs of the spots but when the little plant shows spots on a leaf, it will spread across the leaf pretty fast.
I am new to growing indoors and in soilless applications. Any help would be very much appreciated.

are you giving ferts if not i would try something with N P K in it normally lack of fertilizer nitrogen lack will cause these problems are the steam also redish color have you had problems with spider mites

[xsnoder]

are you giving ferts if not i would try something with N P K in it normally lack of fertilizer nitrogen lack will cause these problems are the steam also redish color have you had problems with spider mites

I have closley inspected leaves and stems under a x4 bio scope for spider mites, molds ect.. but find none.
My curiosity is-" does a soiless medium take more nutes then a soil medium"?
I normaly -feed, water, flush, in about 14 days flowering, with soil, but find that the peat drains alot better then the soil did. It holds water pretty good but the soil held it much longer. It is taking roughly 32oz every other day with the peat.
The stems are redish?

[NMPatient]

They look a little pale, could need some nitrogen. The spots are hard to tell from the picture but look like a magnesium deficiency. What kind of water do you use, what is the ppm? I would try using cal-mag. There is also a little purple in the leaf stems, could be a lack of phosphorus. What flower nutes, and what soil are you using? Sometimes Foxfarms Ocean Forest runs hot and can cause some issues. I would also suggest flushing the plant out and testing the ph on the water that runs out. Starting with a soil ph of 5 is very low and could be a culprit, often leading to nutrient lockout ( should be about 6.5-7). Do you test the ph of the water that you use? What are the temps and humidity day and night?

Yellowing is common during the last weeks of flowering, the plants have used up there stored nitrogen and it shows usually on the lower leaves. This is not a problem and things continue to yellow during the last 2 weeks of flushing. It does not look like it, but spots can also appear from misting or spraying while the lights are on.

Overall they look fine. They made it to the flower stage and should make it through to the end. I would start with a flush and test the ph and ppm of water that comes out. This will give you a jumping off point in tackling the problem.

Best of luck, please let us know what happens.

[shmedy]

just a thought, might possibly be a calcium deficiency. the following is from "Marijuana Garden Saver, Handbook for healthy plants"

Calcium deficiency sometimes occurs in soil-less growing mediums that have not been supplemented with lime.
Distilled and reverse osmosis water, as well as some tap water, lack significant amounts of dissolved calcium.

One symptom the book lists is, Necrotic blotches of tan, dried tissue. Another is stunted plant growth and makes the leaves turn dark green. I noticed your leaves dont look dark green, but i also noticed what appeared to be necrotic blotches of tan. (Plus you mention the soil-less mix). Good Luck:)

[MadSativa]

I agree it is some kind of defficency, with the medium you are usesing, if no dolomite lime was added before you should add some to the top of the pot now, also if your soil has dolomite in it, then mabey try some cal/mag. the soil ph and wter ph should be at about 6.0.

test your run off from the pot and also test the water ph before feeding. they should be realy close 6.0, also since your plant is already sick, some enzyms to help the roots would be a good idea, hygrozyme, and sensizyme is available localy or cannzym is available for about9 bucks at BGH. ph being off can stop the plant from taking in nutrients so look at ph first, then look at adding suppliments, or you could make things way worse. thats a very nice bush buy the way, if your a new grower your doing great

[xsnoder]

Right on,:thumbsup:Thank you very much everyone. The domilite would make alot of since seeing how I never put any in the mix:asskick: Will start by flushing and testing the water tomorrow.
My water is tap but set in open containers for 3 to 4 days before use. The mix is 25% potting soil and 75% peat. I honestly have never tested my water only becuase I had not had any problems before, but I am going to start asap. If, the ph of the water is within norm, both in supply and drain, could I add some worm castings to the top of the mix? I didn't really think this thing through the way I should have (was forced into transplant due to root bound,bond?) but the mix seemed to be doing fine up until the flowering stage.
Awesome advice!
I will post some more pics of the progress, thanks for compliments on my girls MadSativa.

[ScaredasHell]

Peat or peat moss is way too acidic - rather than trying to counter that with lime, I'd suggest using coco or vermiculite. Peat is usually added to acidify the soil - and cannabis is one of a few plants (e.g. asparagus) that does better in a slightly alkaline mix.

Scared

[xsnoder]

Ok, had been feeding a normal shedule with the nuts but decieded to start feeding every other day and flush in between a day or so ago. I am on my way to go get some supplies to test the water and get some lime but wanted to drop a few photos before I split.
They look really good this morning and perky:D They eem to be ok with the feed /flush thing but agian it has only been in that new feed schedule for a couple of days.
When I get home I will post some pics of the nuts I have been using for all plants and my resaults with the water.
Thanks again everyone.

[xsnoder]

Peat or peat moss is way too acidic - rather than trying to counter that with lime, I'd suggest using coco or vermiculite. Peat is usually added to acidify the soil - and cannabis is one of a few plants (e.g. asparagus) that does better in a slightly alkaline mix.

Scared

I added the lime but am going to try the coco next time around, Hear good things about it.
This has been a great learning experience.

[xsnoder]

I use the four in conjunction with BC grow and BC bloom. Also use Fox Farm bloom and grow but still encounter the same problem with the fox on this grow? The lime should help and they seem to be doing better after I raised the feed schedule with a good flush in between. Was feeding them like little plants instead of the hungry, bushy momma's they want to be and are.

Good thing is, They aren't getting any worse.
:jointsmile::thumbsup::jointsmile:

[ManOBuds]

I use the four in conjunction with BC grow and BC bloom. Also use Fox Farm bloom and grow but still encounter the same problem with the fox on this grow? The lime should help and they seem to be doing better after I raised the feed schedule with a good flush in between. Was feeding them like little plants instead of the hungry, bushy momma's they want to be and are.

Good thing is, They aren't getting any worse.
:jointsmile::thumbsup::jointsmile:

You might want to try SuperThrive to replace the ThriveAlive, should be less expensive for you.

[MadSativa]

you flushed? as soon as the pots dry out add the lime to the top and the add light nutes and be sure to add the calmag, flushing gets rid of everything in the soil, especialy if you use a flushing agent. benificals also should be added back in, roots organics, rhizotonic, trantula-prianha, great white, etc.


I added the lime but am going to try the coco next time around, Hear good things about it.
This has been a great learning experience.

just rember to prepare the coco, before and also you will need cal mag, also I am hearing a constant feed is best for coco, no plain waterings, wich means you can actualy dilut the nutes with water, since you will be feeding everyday.

also like with hydro you can fush more fequently such as once or 2 times a month

[pmacias]

Add quater teaspoon of epsom salt to water -check ph-or get calmag

[xsnoder]

you flushed? as soon as the pots dry out add the lime to the top and the add light nutes and be sure to add the calmag, flushing gets rid of everything in the soil, especialy if you use a flushing agent. benificals also should be added back in, roots organics, rhizotonic, trantula-prianha, great white, etc.



just rember to prepare the coco, before and also you will need cal mag, also I am hearing a constant feed is best for coco, no plain waterings, wich means you can actualy dilut the nutes with water, since you will be feeding everyday.

also like with hydro you can fush more fequently such as once or 2 times a month

Thnk you MadSativa, I can't wait to start my next grow.

[xsnoder]

Update, Week 5. Things seem to be going ok now.:D

[shmedy]

Looks Good!

[ManOBuds]

They look cool.

[xsnoder]

Thanks Shmedy and Man0buds.

[MadSativa]

Very cool your plants look great,

A little observation though, it is hard to tell the hight and size from the pics but if they get bud heavey next time a little before they flower or right when you put them into flower mabey a tomato cage would help, cant realy tell though only time will let you know if those buds need some tieing to keep them up.

[MadSativa]

Just had to add that was great the way you saw those spots early, alot of people call me when the plant is almost dead, "what do I do" and at that point it is kind of like well let it continue or tear it down, but half its life or half its harvest is gone.

catching things early is the whole point of indoor gardening everything should be like a lab any little change should be noticed and noted and dealt with. Recording is all part of growing, how elese are you going to know 4-10 years down the line if bubble gum and bubba kush need to be grown differantly? Or if in wet seasons planting at low elevation can be bad lol.

[xsnoder]

Very cool your plants look great,

A little observation though, it is hard to tell the hight and size from the pics but if they get bud heavey next time a little before they flower or right when you put them into flower mabey a tomato cage would help, cant realy tell though only time will let you know if those buds need some tieing to keep them up.

I think she may get pretty big? The plant itself is about 3' from the soil to the tops. 26 Branches in all and are anywhere from 2' to 1.5' The top buds average from 3"to 8" Each one is developing a nice tight, even spiral. I find myself bud gazeing for some time with this girl:jointsmile:
I have the wire and string ready.

[xsnoder]

Just had to add that was great the way you saw those spots early, alot of people call me when the plant is almost dead, "what do I do" and at that point it is kind of like well let it continue or tear it down, but half its life or half its harvest is gone.

Or if in wet seasons planting at low elevation can be bad lol.:lol5:

Thanks MadSativa, Growing indoors is very touchy. Heating, cooling, ventilation, nutrients, soils, soiless, pest control, timers, ect.. This shit can make a person dizzy after a while, lol. Gotta keep records and Like you said that knowledge will come in handy as time goes on.. Experimenting creats experience, experience creates wisdom and wisdom will hopefully keep me from making to many mistakes in the future.
May the girls continue to thrive and shine like diamonds:jointsmile:

[xsnoder]

She is about 2.5 feet and the there are 22 main branches, not 26 :stoned: Lots of buds on her. Probably not going to get too heavy after closer examination, Hope I'm wrong though.
Peace

[deserthealer]

looking good, sxnoder... :)

[xsnoder]

looking good, sxnoder... :)

Thank you DH, I hope you are doing good my friend.:jointsmile:

[ManOBuds]

She is about 2.5 feet and the there are 22 main branches, not 26 :stoned: Lots of buds on her. Probably not going to get too heavy after closer examination, Hope I'm wrong though.
Peace

What light(s) are you using?

[xsnoder]

I am running a t-5 hood with 6x3500k, I am leary about hps or hid in this older home I have, It has ,well?, old electrical and no more then 15 amp breakers. lol Yea, hard to even run a frickin portable heater.
By next summer though I will have a complete new flowering shed done and it will have it's own power source. What does a typical 600w hps lamp run at fla? anyone know?

[ManOBuds]

Most HPS systems have a ballast that regulates current.......I would think that you could run one even in an old house.

[ManOBuds]

I am running a t-5 hood with 6x3500k, I am leary about hps or hid in this older home I have, It has ,well?, old electrical and no more then 15 amp breakers. lol Yea, hard to even run a frickin portable heater.
By next summer though I will have a complete new flowering shed done and it will have it's own power source. What does a typical 600w hps lamp run at fla? anyone know?

Google (http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=600w+hps+grow+light+system&aq=f&aqi=g-v1&aql=&oq=&psj=1&fp=f478bdfafcb0c911)

[ManOBuds]

That is more than just a link to "Google"........

[xsnoder]

Thank you

[ManOBuds]

This is how I grow my limit in a fairly small closet space.
Pictured are: 12 seedlings and 4 mature flowering plants

[xsnoder]

Most HPS systems have a ballast that regulates current.

If I knew the RLA (run load amps) or the FLA (full load amps) on a typical application, (400w 600w 10000w) then I could asses if I could use them or not.
In my experience, the amp draw per fixture of any house hold should never exceed more then 75% of it's capacity. anyway bro.
Your plants look great and I like the way you got em ready to replace the next.
Awesome google link too, :thumbsup:

[xsnoder]

Figured I would share some pics of my closet grow room, my flowering shed and a couple misc. The shed is far from complete but we have a good start on it. Should be finished by june.
Both plants that were effected are now recovering just fine. Leaves looking much better.
New addition to the family. We sure miss the old man ( he passed away a few months ago) but nice haveing this atomic puppy power around during the day. Keeps this ol fool moving and motivated. Peace everyone.:jointsmile:

[ManOBuds]

Too bad you have to use an outbuilding. Hope you don't have any security issues with that.

[MimbresValley]

Figured I would share some pics of my closet grow room, my flowering shed and a couple misc. The shed is far from complete but we have a good start on it. Should be finished by june.
Both plants that were effected are now recovering just fine. Leaves looking much better.
New addition to the family. We sure miss the old man ( he passed away a few months ago) but nice haveing this atomic puppy power around during the day. Keeps this ol fool moving and motivated. Peace everyone.:jointsmile:

Is that a rednose?

[xsnoder]

Too bad you have to use an outbuilding. Hope you don't have any security issues with that.

The shed is far from finished as it will have an addition that acts as a breeze way too the house ,not part of ,but attached non the less and an additinal veg room.. 12' fence privacy fence on 3 sides plus what you see in the pic is our property with no one around the border of it by 1/2 an acre.. We have a 2acre lot.
My closet wants it's clothes back.lol

[xsnoder]

Is that a rednose?

Yes she is. Love me this dog brother. Little shit has so much energy that she demands me to be healthier:thumbsup:

[alfonso2002]

looks like you have a bundle of trouble there LOL

[xsnoder]

Ok, so this has turned into a diary of sorts. The girls are in their 7th week and have made a full recovery. I am going to keep posting each week until the smoke report:jointsmile:

[xsnoder]

looks like you have a bundle of trouble there LOL

LOL, Thank God she is a smart. She is 4 months and already knows sit, down, up, stay, here, commands by hand gesture, Always knew this breed could only get smarter. :thumbsup: Actually this one is extremely smart bro and is hard for me to keep up with her learning curve,.


Note: The close up with the pink hairs in the pics above, is the smaller of the two. Suppoose to be a purp of some kind.

[alfonso2002]

nice pics getting psychedelic on us are you ?

[xsnoder]

nice pics getting psychedelic on us are you ?

Figured I would mix it up a little:D

[shmedy]

nice pics. looks good.

[xsnoder]

Thanks shmedy.

[xsnoder]

Messing around with the photo program again:thumbsup:

[xsnoder]

Week 8ish

[alfonso2002]

looks like you'll have a nice crop there

[xsnoder]

They survived and in brilliant fashion.
While I am fresh this morning, here is the half cure report.
Very lemon/lime on the inhale, immediate buzz to the forehead and light feeling in the chest. Pain relief down the rest of the body? very sharp citrus overtones with sandalwood high lights on the exhale,.? man that sounded weird? roflmao
First hit and the next -20 min-
My chest is uplifted and pain relief is too the point I won't mind feeding the horses this morning:thumbsup: Lots of energy but still very kind of narcotic as well. I like to call it a "goggle high" Like after skiing when you take your goggles off and there is that feeling like they are still on? lol Very nice indeed. Far from conceited but damnnnnnnn! this is some Damn worthy smoke amigo's
Growing your own seems to be the way to go if you can.
:jointsmile:Peace everyone

[alfonso2002]

nice crop there.

[xsnoder]

:jointsmile:Thanks Alfonso.

[StonerCasper]

i 2nd that when you grow your own you treat the plant way better cuz you only got a few to maintain and then you got options to curing as long as you want while the farms has demands to meet and cannot cure for weeks like some would hope to.

Can I ask how long you cure your buds for and what method do you use?
I hang mine fore 3-7 days then mason jars for another 3-7 days or longer if I am able to.
I have heard of a few ways but have not tried any other way but this one.

:smokin:

[xsnoder]

Thank you.
Pretty close the same way you do.
Hang em for about 5 days and then put loosley into mason jars for 2 weeks. Burping them about 5 times a day the first week and a couple times a day the second. For my outdoor monsters I use wood boxes that stack on top of each other, Kinda like a bee hive. Flip the nugs once a day in the boxes.