Flowering REEAAALLY slooooowww: Form filled

[TheBudReaper]

.1) Type and wattage of lights. 30k of 2700k CFL's
.2) Distance from tops? They were really close to tops. Moved so now they are about 5 in away
.3) Reflector type? Circular Clamp light reflector
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? yes
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? Two circulation fans grow box has an open top
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 12/12 2700k 480 watts about 12 diffrent bulbs.

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil: Organic soil from Homedepot
.8) Size of container. 1 gal with clay pebbles on top of the soil to fend off fungus gnats
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings?

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) Tap
11) Method of checking water ph. N/A
12) Method of adjusting water ph. N/A
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. FF big bloom
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? Feed every time i water started at quarters sujested dose
15) Any additives or tea's? super thrive when first potted. Not sense then.
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? N/A
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? N/A
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? N/A

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? in
20) What size of closet, room or hut? About 4x2x4
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? Fungus gnats

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) Sativa dom. Blue dream and White widow
24) From seeds or clones? Clone
25) Is this an autoflower strain? No

first pic is the blue dream second is the White widow

Thanks in advance

[TheBudReaper]

They both are 27 days into flower. I had a little light leek problem from veg space . No direct light. Just enough light so i could see the plants when lights were off.
Fungus gnats have been a pest. put some tape up they fly right into it clay pebbles for hydro on top of the soil to keep them from getting in it.
No way to test PH
I take water from sink add nutes then water.
I havnt had a problem with the water from my tap before. I am also having trouble finding info on light leeks and how it effects the plant during flower. It really wasnt much light at all.. The leaves turned yellow at the bottom. But the rest looks healthy.

[TheBudReaper]

They are the taller ones

[Agoblue97]

IMO you're nute burning to start with. Also with adding ferts to the water and not checking pH after you'll probably start to see some lockout going on soon as well.

[jon420]

I'm going to say your PH is off and possible nute burn from the nutes that are getting in to the plants. You may be pulling enough nutes through the plant to keep it alive but it looks like you're not getting the nutes needed for flowers to produce. This is just my opinion. Adjusted PH is very important for nute uptake. Your plants may be starving for their flowering nutes. And keep the lights as close as possible. I keep mine within an inch or two from the plants and have no problems. I also try to get more light in to the center of the plant from top to bottom with CFL's.:thumbsup:

[TheBudReaper]

Thanks guys for your fast help! + rep

[jon420]

Just a suggestion...If you don't get a PH meter then I suggest you leave the water you use for watering out in the open for atleast 24hrs before you water with it. I find that the PH will drop some after sitting out for some time and evaporating the stuff your plants dont like.

[polishpollack]

I'm going to go against the grain here. Yellowing lower leaves means that the plant is low on nitrogen. What's happening is the plant is pulling nitrogen out of the lower leaves to feed the new growth at the top. I'm guessing that your fert dose is a bit too low. Also, 1 gallon isn't enough anymore. I'd transplant them using the same organic soil into 5 gallon buckets or something similar. That will probably be enough soil space for the duration. Flowering for 27 days and getting nothing in response from a plant isn't right. I don't know what the instructions are for your fert but follow that and give a dose once you transplant them. Ferts don't cause plants to flower. It's the light cycle that does that. They need phosphorus to flower, but that's not the cause. The light cycle cause a plant's hormones to change from veg cycle to flower. Personally, for a soil grow, I wouldn't worry much about pH right now.

[jon420]

I'm going to go against the grain here. Yellowing lower leaves means that the plant is low on nitrogen. What's happening is the plant is pulling nitrogen out of the lower leaves to feed the new growth at the top. I'm guessing that your fert dose is a bit too low. Also, 1 gallon isn't enough anymore. I'd transplant them using the same organic soil into 5 gallon buckets or something similar. That will probably be enough soil space for the duration. Flowering for 27 days and getting nothing in response from a plant isn't right. I don't know what the instructions are for your fert but follow that and give a dose once you transplant them. Ferts don't cause plants to flower. It's the light cycle that does that. They need phosphorus to flower, but that's not the cause. The light cycle cause a plant's hormones to change from veg cycle to flower. Personally, for a soil grow, I wouldn't worry much about pH right now.

You make good points...but the nutes do help produce the flower...if their were no nutes, there wouldn't be a plant to flower...and if the nutes didnt do anything then why does everyone use them:smokin: I also think PH matters the whole time IMO:thumbsup:

[TheBudReaper]

If i transplant them into larger pots wont the energy i want to go to making flowering into making more roots? And i also see alot of threads on people vegging and flowering in 16 oz containers and getting good results.
And also, yes the fert im using is Low on N. Maybe i will mix in a little of the FF Grow big this weeks water.
Ive been procrastinating on getting a pH meter. I think its more useful for hydro but still needed for soil as well i suppose.

[TheBudReaper]

And also have grown in smaller pots w/o any nutes at all less light same tap water, and got way better results

[Treez81]

You need to get flowering nutes..grow big is for the veg state..ff tiger bloom is what you need...also if there were light leaks, then that is why your plant is not responding...it has to be COMPLETELY dark for 12 hours, without interuption...otherwise it will not flower properly and more than likely hermie...also giving it veg nutes during flower can hold it back as well

[TheBudReaper]

No im using FF big bloom

[Agoblue97]

If you follow Fox Farm's feeding schedule you'd give Big Bloom all the way through veg and flower, it's main focus is root structure with a low amount of fert. Grow Big is what they recommend for veg and Tiger Bloom for flower. If you use Fox Farm products you should really check out their website(most important I would recommend their FAQ section.)

[MadSativa]

you have to get a ph test kit. the thing that sticks out is you dont check the ph of your water, all of the problems you are having can come from improper ph. I would also invest in some cannazym(9 bucks at BGH) since your roots are now in a little stunted state as well.

when ph is off, the plant cant absorb nutes or water correctly, so it does what you are describing. As for never having the problem before, not to sure? Mabey you had differant water, or something changed in the city or the ground? or mabey you had a strong strain, that will grow anywhere. Mabey this strain is a not so strong strain for mold and pest, desises etc.

[polishpollack]

jon420, this is what I wrote: "Ferts don't cause plants to flower. It's the light cycle that does that. They need phosphorus to flower, but that's not the cause."