WW Thai log

[WashougalWonder]

Been almost told to do a log so here goes. If you aren't aware of this thread, you should read that out first so you are up to speed.
http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/193194-experiments-making-equatorial-breeds-flower.html

Now been a little more than a week in it's special environment. Dropped to 13 hours from 18 of light and began a daily decrease of one minute. If I forget a day, that actually is very similar to real life for it.

OM had mentioned to me somewhere that temperatures may be a factor. Actually my local temps fall very closely to reality....just a tiny bit cooler this month than should be now that I researched it.

No flower show yet, don't expect for about a week if it acts like the other times, it is sidebranching faster than lengthening. No vertical growth inhibitor (VGI). Only have it under a 400 hps, feel like it needs more light, but I am used to a 1000w hps.

That reminds me, I made a mistake when I bought that power supply, some of these new digitals will do multiple wattages and do both mh and hps. Got to save for one. I see a use for all of it's functions. They may not last as long though.

(Day 1 photo)

[canniwhatsis]

Subscribed :weedpoke:

[tikiroom]

Me too :cool:

[weeddaddy50]

along for the ride

[RAINHAZE]

This should be good.:thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

LOL! :D


I just showed the wife this thread.


She musta came or something!? :wtf: Doubled over dropped to her knee,.... "who has Thai?"






I take it by her response,.... I need to make efforts to acquire this strain.

[emilya]

Another interesting experiment! I love it. :thumbsup:
Emmie is pulling up a chair...

[pipefitter]

Looks very interesting. I ll be checkin it out.:)

[WashougalWonder]

For those interested, these seeds were purchased here:
https://www.seedboutique.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=25&products_id=1635

[WashougalWonder]

Just fyi, actually 2 photos so you can see the sativa leaves. Never have I had a plant that kept such skinny sultry leaves. Those larger leaves span more than a large man's hand.

[LetsSeeYa]

Great thread WW, il be watching and wish you the greenest:thumbsup:



Let er rip bro:weedpoke:




:rasta:

[Shovelhandle]

I love hazy hybrids with lots of SE Asian genetics. I'll be glued.

[Lynhal]

Pulling up a seat to watch. :thumbsup:

[WashougalWonder]

Fertilized today........Repotted from 1 gal to 3 gal pot, again OF.......noted that is starting to show flower nodes, no flowers yet.

[LetsSeeYa]

Fertilized today........Repotted from 1 gal to 3 gal pot, again OF.......noted that is starting to show flower nodes, no flowers yet.

That plant is sexy as hell man, if ya have time maybe a pic of her in the new dress:lookat:



:rasta:

[Farmer Rich]

Hey WW,

I'm in too.

Looking forward to see how this one does!

I went to Thailand in 1978, we bought 2,000 thai sticks for $100, yup $0.05 a piece. Hands down the best weed I've ever smoked, it was pretty much like trippin' and lasted a very long time. When I saw the packaging for Amnesia Haze (Soma) that said "Taste like Thai sticks, and keeps you high for a long time," I thought I gotta try this! So I have 2 really nice ones in veg that I'll be flipping in a week or two. I put mine in #7 pro-can pots that hold 25-30 liters of soilless mix that I'm hoping work out right for managing height to something reasonable (a bit over 68" in my case, or about 2 meters). At 24" now, this should give me room for it to triple in height over the 13 week flower period..

I'll definitely be watchin' yours!

Peace, Farmer Rich

[WashougalWonder]

Well I did just post 2 days ago, but I guess a closeup is what you want?

That is the very top ... aren't those spurs something else? I forget their real name.

[Lynhal]

Those are wicked looking spurs on some very happy plants! :greenthumb:

[TANKJR]

Hey there WW...I've been lurking around just watching...I see it's definitely a Sativa, so if you don't mind, I'm gonna take a short nap while it grows out a little more....wishing you and Rusty success! I think you'll be done first tho since he's just popping beans....maybe...LOL! The recliner calls to me...ummm thai weed<---me dreamin!;)

[canniwhatsis]

Well I did just post 2 days ago, but I guess a closeup is what you want?

That is the very top ... aren't those spurs something else? I forget their real name.

I'm not sure of the real name either, but I do certainly see a flower in there too!

Just above your first knuckle on your pinky finger,.... that's a flower for sure!!!! :hippy:


Well, "pre" flower anyway.

[neonzr]

looks like you might be in for a long ride with all the sat genes in that, think I'll tag along:thumbsup:

[WashougalWonder]

Yes, it will take a long, long time for this to come to fruition, I am expecting a 3-6 month time in flower....that is just a guess by the way, just a guess.

Yep she is a female, I have tried to flower her before, she is about a year old, have just kept cloning her to keep a tolerable sized plant as a mother.

[WashougalWonder]

Not much going on. Growing more sideways than at the tip. Looking like I should see some flowers in a week or so and then will give VGI dose.

[canniwhatsis]

Man, that stem and leaf structure looks soo much like my ISS. When I kicked the lights on it I was Certain it wouldn't bud, but it's got some nice colas going now.

I've got high hopes that this experiment works out and you get some sweet buds. :stoned:

[WashougalWonder]

What is ISS?

Bringing a new ballast into the picture on this, a Galaxy 1000, but it can run anything or reduce higher wattage to lower. For now we will be using a 1000 hortilux dimmed to 400.

[canniwhatsis]

What is ISS?

Bringing a new ballast into the picture on this, a Galaxy 1000, but it can run anything or reduce higher wattage to lower. For now we will be using a 1000 hortilux dimmed to 400.

Island Sweet Skunk. Heavy Sativa :jointsmile:

It's gonna take a long time for this one to finish I think, but it's starting to look pretty good already! :D


How's the progression of the light cycle doing? Are you at 12/12 yet?

[neonzr]

I remember reading awhile back on overgrow about trying to replicate the lighting etc for different landrace sativas, have you taken into consideration the spectrum in the region vs the spectrum of the light you are using? If I recall correctly the poster of the article was using a metal halide in the morning 1/3rd of the light cycle and an hps in the afternoon 2/3rds of the cycle. Just food for thought...

[WashougalWonder]

Yes I considered that. That is just going too far to be feasible or reasonable in my situation if that is the criteria.

[WashougalWonder]

Another week drags by, not much change except rapid growth, no flowers yet. Additionally I figured I wanted some more feminine pheromes in there and put in 3 going into flower plants. I want to see how they react to the light reducing gradually. They already had some flowers on entry.

It is very cold and I am having trouble with keeping it warm enough right now for the entire garden. Turned the lamp up to 600 watts to get some more heat in there which helped. Still using room fan to circulate. I used my propane space heater for awhile, always cautious of monoxide poisoning for me, and some extra CO2 for the girls.

By doing the LST, it seems the main stem is not growing much the the side growth is huge.

[LetsSeeYa]

Man WW your plants look great man, so healthy and lacy beautifully green leaves. I wondered if a person just grew them out like any other breed would it just take a long time to flower or just not flower at all? And the mh to hps everyday would drive a person crazy id think.


Great thread man, keep er green:weedpoke:



:rasta:

[WashougalWonder]

Well I did run into someone on another forum and they say their thai runs 98-112 days to finish.....long way to go.

[LetsSeeYa]

Well I did run into someone on another forum and they say their thai runs 98-112 days to finish.....long way to go.

Wow i gotta say your dedicated my friend, because im thinking that my WW will take at least 12 or 14 weeks. Now its been crossed, but outside last year non of mine finished at a 15% cloudy tric's. But i had taken a lot early because my p ripped me off, so i wasn't sure when they would hit again. But was great for my pain and day time smoke, but id really like to finish this one iv started a couple weeks ago till i see some major brown sugar looking tric's.


Great log:rasta:

[neonzr]

lookin good! that sounds like a reasonable expected length of time for an asian breed. Take your time with them and I'm sure you'll have a happy ending :P

[WashougalWonder]

Ya, I am thinking I will time this from when I first see flowers. It is acting different this time, somehow, can't put my finger on it, but it is different.

That is like 16 weeks, so with no flowers now at about a month, I don't see it happening. Before, it definitely started to flower right at 21 days, and I went full 16 and got no more than the preflowers...no budding, just phenomenal branching.....Have that now. Sides are growing faster than the main stem. This could get very interesting. LOL

She reminds me of a gal in 9th grade, we called her "String-bean Jean" :D

[WashougalWonder]

Some thoughts. The plant seems to be acting like it still is in vegetative mode, but getting ready to flower. Interestingly, the plants I brought in from 18/6 start to flower faster than they did just going to 12/12...I think the gradual decrease in light is the reason.

The Thai is getting really big. I want to give VGI, but do not want to mess with the plant's normal path to flowering. Side growth is almost unmanageable at this point. Trying my hardest not to have to top/trim this time, as I already know that does not help. Using 5L of water every 3 days right now.

Has been very cold and have supplement heated when possible with propane space heater.

So the picture.....about 4 feet....as you can see, I keep having to get farther away.

[WashougalWonder]

Month in flower room yesterday. Should need repotting soon, starting to use a lot of water. I gave a pinch or two of dry bat guano and mixed it on soil surface to hold a little longer on pot change. Turning into flat bush.

[WashougalWonder]

Put in a ten gallon pot from the 3 gallon. Big difference in size. Plant getting huge now. Researching growth inhibitors now. Was turned on to some old PDF's regarding original species, landraces, original breeds, characteristics, and such. It is password protected and cannot even copy and paste. But it mentions that Thai has a tendency to throw a nanner here and there, but also watch for hermaphroditic symptomology if it throws more than a few, otherwise pick them off. Seems we figured out the light timing correctly.

So picture today.

[Rusty Trichome]

Although usually an issue, I noticed in the Worldwide Strain Guide PDF it doesn't mention the native soil being overly acidic, nor does it mention needing to lower ph at all. I'm going to treat mine like any other sativa dominate, and see what happens. (the softer-easier approach, lol)

I don't have the room nor equipment to dedicate a sliding light schedule to, so they'll be going from 16/8 to 12/12.

Looking pretty good so far though. :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Seems we figured out the light timing correctly.

So picture today.

Is she finally starting to flower? She looks about ready to explode.:hippy:

[WashougalWonder]

No no flowers yet. *sigh* :beatdeadhorse:

[WashougalWonder]

Well I gave a dose of vertical growth inhibitor (VGI) a couple days ago. No apparent issue in first day, will be watching closely for the next few days to see how it effects the plant. She got a total of 6 mL of phosphoload with a gallon of water, slight runoff.

Still no flowers showing, no nanners either. Light time down to 12 hrs 15 mins at today's adjustment. She really liked the new pot, leaves look healthier. Not sure if I can get into next size up pot when the time comes......??????

So a picture, getting hard to get far enough away to take the pictures. Quite a difference this time I think

[weeddaddy50]

Awesome grow log.....This is going to be interesting.....I am watching and learning....that baby is getting huge.

[canniwhatsis]

Light time down to 12 hrs 15 mins at today's adjustment. She really liked the new pot, leaves look healthier.


I'm wondering if it's not gonna happen less than 12/12,.... say 11/13 or 10/14,....


What's the natural latitude again? :detective1:

[WashougalWonder]

Actually, Canna, it is kinda interesting. I have been putting the plants going to flower in that room for the first 2 weeks to show her how to do this, and they all get flowers before I move them to the main flower area......I think there is a trigger there, that I will hit soon, it is beginning to look like a plant that is about to top. Very concerned with the dose of the VGI as all dosing is for hydro. Seems so far to have done the trick.

I think when I get flowers I will start another 'count' to get a better grasp on how long the process takes with this one.

Oh, latitude is Nothern Laos.......whatever that is.

[WashougalWonder]

First flowers show today, 4 days post phosphoload, 45 days into light reduction from 13 hours. Will now keep two counts, one a total number of days from the beginning and the other just this phase, how long it actually takes once the flowers begin under this regime, this being day 0.
Effing A!
:D:D:clap::weedpoke:

[tikiroom]

Congratulations! :thumbsup:

I am very interested to see how those genetics fill out that girl.

[canniwhatsis]

Sweet! :weedpoke: :rastasmoke:

[WashougalWonder]

Interesting, but the flowers come here and there, then they disappear and a different place may have one. Maybe just the way it starts to flower?

Discouraging to say the least.

[Rusty Trichome]

New leaftips have had me fooled a couple of times. As the leaf is starting to appear, it looks a lot like a calyx. Then the middle finger of the leaf sticks-out...looks like a pistil...till the next day when it's a leaf.

Hopefully by this time next year we'll be seeing buds, lol. I still think Thai is nothing more than an exceptionally long-developing Equatorial autoflower.

[WashougalWonder]

Boy I just don't know Rusty, this plant has been alive for about 15 months now.

I got to looking really close this morning and they flowers are there at a few of the branch tips....the vigorous one's.... and there are flowers, but they dry up and shrivel to nothing in 24 hours. I guess this is the way it starts...it is so big, it is hard to look for nanners, much less flowers. Very thick and bushy.

[canniwhatsis]

Wife's gut say's raise your humidity and bring light cycle closer to 10-14.


It looks like it's right there, ready to pop! :stoned: now it's just figuring out what it takes to push it over the edge and make it produce. :weedpoke:

Weather in Laos (http://www.travelfish.org/weather/laos)

Weather in Laos - Lonely Planet Travel Information (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/laos/weather)



After browsing those links,... I think bring humidity up, and temps down if possible...... Not sure what temps are currently?



I'll STFU now since I'm probably just blowin smoke anyway! :glugglug:

[WashougalWonder]

Well, humidity is running 75-90% with temps running 60 nites to 75 days. (approx, have not measured)

Don't think I can get much higher without causing issues.

I would assume it flowers in the dry....cool dry to hot dry season.....Summer is coming...LOL

[canniwhatsis]

Welll..... never mind then! :D That's pretty impressive humidity for sure.


back to watchin I guess. :weedpoke:

[WashougalWonder]

Another week passes.....slowly.

Full size seems to have stabilized a little with the phosphoload. Not a huge difference in size this time as you can see.

Tried to get a couple shots of the flowers emerging. The last about 24 hours and die off still, but I am seeing more every day. You have to really look close and if you zoom in the pistil is not sharply focused. It is not a leaf.

[bigsby]

Have you researched adding UVb lighting in the middle of the day? I have no experience with this so you will need to do your own research. However, I believe the theory is that UVb triggers flower development. Perhaps it would kick start these plants? Oldmac uses them. Some people swear by it while others think it is hot air. Just a thought.

[canniwhatsis]

Have you researched adding UVb lighting in the middle of the day? I have no experience with this so you will need to do your own research. However, I believe the theory is that UVb triggers flower development. Perhaps it would kick start these plants? Oldmac uses them. Some people swear by it while others think it is hot air. Just a thought.

I thought the UVB was a morning and evening thing? :confused: Which ever way it is, might be an idea. I'll have to look at that thread again.


Hey WW,... I hit your profile up, RC airplanes huh? What kind? I fly 3D profiles,.... (well not recently since I've been trying to nail my grow down) Sorry for the OT, just another shared interest.


Any updates on the thai?

[WashougalWonder]

Canna....Plant is enormous, gave more phosphoload yesterday. Flowering much more prevalent

RC...My main interest is helicopters, 2.5M rotor span, electric now, but have used glow, gas, and turbine power plants. I have a turbine for sale for a heli?????

I fly scale only with heli's I do some crazy stuff with planks too, flown up to 100 inch wing span IMAC....boring....or 98" Curtis Jenny.

I am really thrilled with the big electric heli's, this is my favorite so far
This is electric, weighs 28 pounds and flys like a dream....the sounds are the electric, not a turbine....watch this

YouTube - &#x202a;2010 June Brooks Jack's 412&#x202c;&rlm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCpDEDrV5SQ&feature=player_embedded)

[emilya]

The copter was indeed cool... but what I really enjoyed was that little dance at the end WW. :) That alone was worth the price of admission!
:apachecopter:

Emmie

[canniwhatsis]

Canna....Plant is enormous, gave more phosphoload yesterday. Flowering much more prevalent

RC...My main interest is helicopters, 2.5M rotor span, electric now, but have used glow, gas, and turbine power plants. I have a turbine for sale for a heli?????

I fly scale only with heli's I do some crazy stuff with planks too, flown up to 100 inch wing span IMAC....boring....or 98" Curtis Jenny.

I am really thrilled with the big electric heli's, this is my favorite so far
This is electric, weighs 28 pounds and flys like a dream....the sounds are the electric, not a turbine....watch this

YouTube - &#x202a;2010 June Brooks Jack's 412&#x202c;&rlm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCpDEDrV5SQ&feature=player_embedded)

Nice whirly bird! :smokin: I stay away from big stuff,... too much $$$$$ :( I have too much fun and fly way too hard to invest that much. (in other words I'm not good enough to do it with something big ;) )


Here's my absolute best flight that's been caught on vid. Warning, I'm into heavy metal and this flight is NOT AMA approved! ;)
YouTube - Fall 2008 PROBRO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDu_f_MZFS8)

[WashougalWonder]

Nice flying, not my style, because I am not able to fly 3D I have orientation issues and have to stay below the horizon

[WashougalWonder]

Many more flowers, even able to get a pic of them. Plant fills cube 4x4x4 essentially, and had started to grow again. Gave a second dose of Phosphoload at half of last, 3 ml. Still have only been training it, no trimming except for a few bottoms that weren't getting light.

Had a timer accident this week, accidentally giving an extra full hour of light for one day as I spaced out changing the hour on the timer. That means the light is currently 12/12 :).

[Rusty Trichome]

Bummer about the timer. But how come you're playing with it in the first place...? :wtf:....:D Looking pretty bushy, though. Nice. :thumbsup:

Your's is quite a bit fuller than mine, which have been in the flower shed for a couple of weeks. They're against the back wall, and are a pain to get to, but I haven't seen signs of sex yet. Tomorrow is feeding and bondage day, (tying stray branches and growing tips to the wall screen) so I'll give the VGI a go on the larger one at 5ml/gal...then flush it after a week per our conversation about flushing resivoirs and such... Perhaps we can dial-in a good dosage for the Thai in soil, but phenotype might be a variable with other strains.

If interested I can go out and take some pix...:thumbsup:

[TANKJR]

Hey WW! just stopped by to see what's happening lately...glad to hear you're feeling a little better now...things still moving at a snails pace, I see. The AK doing well? I have been so enjoying mine lately...makin some AK oil now for a SUPER party tonight from some trimmings...should make for a great game! LOL! I sure won't care who wins anyway...Ck in wid ya L8r!

[canniwhatsis]

She's lookin pretty!!!! This is gonna be a long haul.

[WashougalWonder]

Rusty...Up to you on pics. The timer is integral in this plan, dropping the lighted time by one minute per day, every day until I am down to 11 hours of light. I just hit the 12 hour mark. I doubt one day will matter.

But it is getting to be a lot of plant to monitor for any nanner issues and as Canna stated it is still a long haul here.

Tank....The Ak is about done, the hairs are all brown, the trichs are cloudy, another day or two.

[WashougalWonder]

Well, this thing is going thru PMS I think. Just shooting out all over. Trimmed off a whole bunch of lower branches that don't get the light well. Even though I have not topped this, it has grown to 5 main branches that shoot off everywhere, the most distal of which are doing the real start to topping. On a regular plant I would say I am six weeks from done right now. Hard to say, never got this far before with this plant.

Gave another dose of Phosphoload today, 2mL more, the last dose did nothing. Getting spooky, as that now totals 11 mL for the pot it is in with minimal runoff, if any. Using 2.5 L of water a day....plus any extra on nutes. I did give a dose of BloomBastic also, 0.5 mL, I plan on a thread regarding nute experiments in advanced.

The plant fills a 3x5 foot rectangle and is outgrowing the room I made. It just keeps bushing out. It would be so cool to see what this would do outdoors.....then send it to the White House for the Christmas tree....LOL

I also have started dropping the light 2 minutes per day to try to accelerate things if at all possible. I am 45 days into time reduction/flower room. Actually at my guess of 6 weeks more to go that it putting it in the upper 90's, so might need more time than that.

I have been keeping a dated log of every nute, major changes, trimming, etc., and when appropriate I will post it as one list, by date.

[WashougalWonder]

Even after all the trimming she is still too big. Using 2.5 Liters a day. Close in is one of the better budding sites so far, but definitely shortening up the internodal distance.

[weeddaddy50]

WW....I commend you.....this is a very long haul for you.

[malus69]

Great log Washougal, found it a little late but I'm definitely in for the ride. :thumbsup:

I'm very interested to see how this goes, I've always been very fond of sativas in general and that's what I'll be mostly growing in the future anyway. My strain's genetics are supposedly Hawaiian/Laos Sativa, although I have 3 different phenos atm with some indica tendencies in the mix, not as pure of a sativa as yours for sure. Nevertheless I'm very interested in your light schedules and high humidity. I've been struggling to keep mine under 70-75% with no result, (no money to procure a biggest exhaust fan now but will do next grow) but it may end up being a good thing after all lol. Subbed for good!!!


PS. Is this (https://www.seedboutique.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=18403&Name=SeedList-Gypsy-Nirvana-Collection-Thai-Stick-Sativa&Type=PD) the strain you are working with? Cause the link you provided is not working anymore! :wtf:

Peace,
:hippy:

[Rusty Trichome]

Most strains now-a-days are either sativa dominate, or indica dominate. It's just a reference to their overt expressions and growth habits. There's a few pure indica's and some pure sativa's out there, but hybrids are the norm.

Yours is quite a bit fuller than mine, WW, but I have been trying to stunt mine since day one. I topped 'em at 3rd internode, kept fairly close to light and fan...and on Monday I gave some VGI to the taller one. Will flush her this coming monday to remove residual VGI.

Had a problem with yellowing trying to keep a lower ph, but they're coloring back up after resuming low-end norms. (6.3ish ph ingoing) I'm just going to treat them like any other sativa dominate. (unless they complain too much) Still no signs of sex. <grrrr>

Anyway, the GN Thai is tied against the wall screen. VGI plant on right, untreated on left. Anything with wide leaves isn't Thai, lol. Lost a couple of lowest fans after VGI application, and greening-up is slower than the one on the left, but time will tell. Will remove the other plants sometime this week and get a better shot of the tie-back.

Interesting plants, but no doubt about it...they're slow-pokes. Would be nice to know by now if they're male or female...

[canniwhatsis]

This isn't an indoor grow,... but WOW!!!!! :S5:


From Thailand, to Holland, to Spain: From Thai stick seeds to smoke able weed: Thai Sinse. -=www.hempcity.net=- (http://www.hempcity.net/travelreports/11strains2003/thaisinse/index.html)

[WashougalWonder]

Thanks Canna, gives me something to expect as far as visually. 5-6 months....Long time, I am only 2.5 months.

Rusty, looking to chomp this back to a few main branches and just pray. VGI not seeming to work more than a week per dose if at all.

Malus, looks like they updated the website, but yes, that is the company, the GN Thai.

[WashougalWonder]

Okay, more to report this time. Looks like the VGI has kicked in and no more fast stretching, tho it still is purty danged bushy. I think I have identified 3 main topping branches and may.....still pondering this.... cut off all the rest.

I have a few pictures of how the tops look, wispy is about the best way I can think to describe it. Water consumption is running 2.5 L per day with ambient relative humidity of 80%, temps 60-70's thru a 24 hour time span. Again I need to apologize for my crappy photos, need a decent, easy to use, free program to edit and fix my cheap camera's deficits.

Without further ado....May I present a top or two at 1 month of flowering....or so.

[TANKJR]

Hey WW...saw you'd added here so stopped by to see wassup...yea, wispy is how they look...LOL! This is gonna be one long trip! It DOES look like stuff is starting to happen tho...wow!:eek: nearly 3 months and it's just starting....an indica would be done by now! Speaking of...ya liking that AK or what?:D Have you tried anymore yet? I'm down to the tops now...always save the best for last and made the mistake of putting some oil on top this morning...I was kinda snowed in AGAIN!...WOW! make sure you make some oil out of the trimmings...very very tasty and effective! I'm soooo wasted....LOL! I don't even drink and I'm wall dancing down the hallway like a stoned cold drunk....wooohoooo...havin fun now!:stoned::stoned::stoned:

[emilya]

Hey WW...saw you'd added here so stopped by to see wassup...yea, wispy is how they look...LOL! This is gonna be one long trip! It DOES look like stuff is starting to happen tho...wow!:eek: nearly 3 months and it's just starting....an indica would be done by now! Speaking of...ya liking that AK or what?:D Have you tried anymore yet? I'm down to the tops now...always save the best for last and made the mistake of putting some oil on top this morning...I was kinda snowed in AGAIN!...WOW! make sure you make some oil out of the trimmings...very very tasty and effective! I'm soooo wasted....LOL! I don't even drink and I'm wall dancing down the hallway like a stoned cold drunk....wooohoooo...havin fun now!:stoned::stoned::stoned:

sorry WW... couldn't resist this one...
so TJ... what you are saying then is that you are tanked? ;)

Emmie

[TANKJR]

Yes my dear...I was feelin finer than frog hair. :eek: I put the oil away (FYI Sleep deprived!!! and NOTE to self...AK oil and AK tops = a sleeping pill x 3!) and took a had-no-choice nap...I'm still dazed and confused... Thankfully, I'm used to that...we mustn't H/J WW's thread, tho...it's gonna be a long one as it is! Yawn....talkin about watching the grass grow...WW's sure got more patience than I do! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[WashougalWonder]

Well I have a sick plant. Rusty feels it is a PH issue, I was not sure if cold had something to do with this.

So, some of the leaves are clawing, all over, not super significant yet. In discussing with Rusty, I think he is on the right track as some of the soil in the pot is over 3 months old and the buffers must be used up.

I repotted to a 20 gallon pot. Gave some water yesterday with PH adjusted much higher than normal. Want to see if that has effect today when I check.

Budding is going along nicely, the internode space is much, much shorter, still wispy on the tops, I guess that is the way it is.
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Don't know how to make pics show now??????

[Rusty Trichome]

Hopefully you'll begin to see some improvement since you transplanted into the larger container with fresh soil. (FFOF, right?) You definatelly have enough rootspace for 'em now, lol.

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The plants twisted-n-tied to the screen are the Thai I have going. 3.5 weeks growth cycle, 6 weeks in flower, I believe. (5 gallon pots)
Was keeping water ph to 6.0 (before nutrients) but began yellowing until I raised the ph to the lower end of normally acceptable range. (6.3 after adding nutrients, 6.8ish when watering alone) They look much happier than before. After using the VGI, internode length shortened, but will have to see if that continues without further applications.
Hmm...previewing my post, looks like it adds all our pix to our album, and provides a link. That's going to be a real bummer if so. Especially for those of us with DSL.

Hope they start showing some progress for ya... :thumbsup:

[WashougalWonder]

We be one sick plant. I broke down and bought a soil pH tester. Interesting findings...well at least to me.
FF OF, in the bag pH 4.5
Soil pot, 1/2 gal 2-3 weeks pH 4.5
Pot 1 gal 3-6 weeks pH 4.7
Pot 3 gal closest to repot 5.0......closest to coming out of flower, 4-5 weeks in soil and the pH has jumped to 6.0....but it is gradual as the plant/pot combo is aging.
Thai....In old root ball pH is 6.5, in new soil part, pH is already 6 in just a week....got very wet.

So believe it or not, the pH has gone alkaline over the time frame of being in a pot.

Since I am right on the border of too wet - more in a moment - I gave just a liter of water with molasses which lowers my water pH. Gave 5 ml in that (a gallon dose in a liter). I figure it needed it's nutes anyway, been holding off. I am hoping today when I get to the garden it looks at least a little better.

Now, I got it too wet, because I am flat not used to a pot this bit....20 gal. The bottom in particular was very wet so I made a sort of French drain. Took a piece of PVC pipe and drilled a mess of 1/4" holes in it like perf pipe. Stuck that in the very bottom of the pot from one of the drain holes. Worked really well in just 24 hours, along with a fan on the soil at the top of the pot.

On the other side, this thing is flowering well, everywhere, definitely scrog is good for this. Buds sticking straight up everywhere.

[TANKJR]

Wow! That's some whacked out ph there, WW! RT is such a badass with plant probs! Good call RT! Hopefully this only delayed it a little...so it will only be a 10 month flower instead of a 9 month???....LOL! I hope it recovers quick, WW! Now back to my nap...

[Sunmaid]

Subscribed. You have some serious patience. Can't wait to see the results!

[Rusty Trichome]

Got to thinking about this while e-mailing Fox Farms about the situation...

Since you just transplanted into a 20 gallon pot with fresh FFOF, what does your soil probe say is the difference in ph between the old rootball and the outside edge of fresh soil you added during the transplant? Since the fresh soil hasn't been depleted, ammended or aged, there should be a discernable difference between the two.

[Rusty Trichome]

Pretty good a customer service at Fox Farms...

I wrote them this afternoon with your basic background, where our plants were from (acidic Indonesian soil) and your desire to keep the ph down. Hopefully it helps, but here's the reply e-mail I just recieved:

Hello Rusty,

It sounds like you guys have a good grasp on the principles of soil science and indoor gardening. Hopefully I can add a few pieces of information, both practical and technical, that will help find answer to the underlying questions in your e-mail. The first area of concern is testing the soil pH.
Ocean Forest is pH buffered with oyster shell to be in the 6.3 to 6.8 pH range. The most reliable method for home gardeners to test their soil pH is to gather some samples from different plants, at different depths in the soil; mix the soil with an equal amount of purified water; let stand for an hour and test with a digital pen. Most soil probes, for pH or moisture, are very inaccurate and unreliable. I would not give a soil probe reading much value.
So, the initial soil pH is going to be in the previously mentioned range. The pH can change upwards or downwards over time due to several factors which may or may not come into play. Acidification can be caused by the degradation of peat, the accumulation of acidifying salts, rapid microbial activity, and the loss of buffering capacity. A rise in soil pH is usually associated with water quality; water hardness and alkalinity can build up over time, even with the application of nutrient solutions at the proper pH range. Salts can raise or lower the pH of the soil depending on the selective uptake of plants. Carbonate Ions in the tap water (well water also) can buffer acidity and build up in the soil, raising the pH of the soil over time. Oyster Shell is also mainly carbonate atoms, and will buffer any acidity as long as is stays in the soil. This website has some great in-depth resources on soil chemistry and pH:

SSC 102 Soil Chemistry (http://lawr.ucdavis.edu/classes/ssc102/index.htm)

Plants that evolve in acidic soils have adapted their diet to be demanding of Iron (available) and sensitive to Phosphorous (un-available). This is because of the inherent availability and un-availability of those nutrients at low pH ranges, and those plants will be angry if Phosphorous is applied heavily, or the soil pH is too high. Most plants have evolved to grow in slightly acidic soils (6.5) where nutrient availability is generalized.
I hope this information is useful and helps explain our products and the pH regulating activities used by gardeners. Let me know if you have any more questions about this or any other topic. Good Luck!


Joe Alcorn
Customer Service & Technical Support
P.O. Box 787
Arcata, CA 95518
(707)-443-4369 main
(707)-269-4458 fax
[email protected] ([email protected])

Crap. I ammend my water ph with phosphoric acid. Guess it's something I'll need to keep an eye on.
Anyway...I hope this is as useful to you as it is for me. I'll take a look at his provided link in a bit. Time for some Ding Dongs and a soda.

[canniwhatsis]

Pretty good a customer service at Fox Farms...

I wrote them this afternoon with your basic background, where our plants were from (acidic Indonesian soil) and your desire to keep the ph down. Hopefully it helps, but here's the reply e-mail I just recieved:

Hello Rusty,

It sounds like you guys have a good grasp on the principles of soil science and indoor gardening. Hopefully I can add a few pieces of information, both practical and technical, that will help find answer to the underlying questions in your e-mail. The first area of concern is testing the soil pH.
Ocean Forest is pH buffered with oyster shell to be in the 6.3 to 6.8 pH range. The most reliable method for home gardeners to test their soil pH is to gather some samples from different plants, at different depths in the soil; mix the soil with an equal amount of purified water; let stand for an hour and test with a digital pen. Most soil probes, for pH or moisture, are very inaccurate and unreliable. I would not give a soil probe reading much value.
So, the initial soil pH is going to be in the previously mentioned range. The pH can change upwards or downwards over time due to several factors which may or may not come into play. Acidification can be caused by the degradation of peat, the accumulation of acidifying salts, rapid microbial activity, and the loss of buffering capacity. A rise in soil pH is usually associated with water quality; water hardness and alkalinity can build up over time, even with the application of nutrient solutions at the proper pH range. Salts can raise or lower the pH of the soil depending on the selective uptake of plants. Carbonate Ions in the tap water (well water also) can buffer acidity and build up in the soil, raising the pH of the soil over time. Oyster Shell is also mainly carbonate atoms, and will buffer any acidity as long as is stays in the soil. This website has some great in-depth resources on soil chemistry and pH:

SSC 102 Soil Chemistry (http://lawr.ucdavis.edu/classes/ssc102/index.htm)

Plants that evolve in acidic soils have adapted their diet to be demanding of Iron (available) and sensitive to Phosphorous (un-available). This is because of the inherent availability and un-availability of those nutrients at low pH ranges, and those plants will be angry if Phosphorous is applied heavily, or the soil pH is too high. Most plants have evolved to grow in slightly acidic soils (6.5) where nutrient availability is generalized.
I hope this information is useful and helps explain our products and the pH regulating activities used by gardeners. Let me know if you have any more questions about this or any other topic. Good Luck!


Joe Alcorn
Customer Service & Technical Support
P.O. Box 787
Arcata, CA 95518
(707)-443-4369 main
(707)-269-4458 fax
[email protected] ([email protected])

Crap. I ammend my water ph with phosphoric acid. Guess it's something I'll need to keep an eye on.
Anyway...I hope this is as useful to you as it is for me. I'll take a look at his provided link in a bit. Time for some Ding Dongs and a soda.




Thanks for posting that!!!! :hippy:

[WashougalWonder]

Since you just transplanted into a 20 gallon pot with fresh FFOF, what does your soil probe say is the difference in ph between the old rootball and the outside edge of fresh soil you added during the transplant? Since the fresh soil hasn't been depleted, ammended or aged, there should be a discernable difference between the two.

There is a difference, there was also one watering. So the stuff had a week to adjust. The new is 5.8-6.0 or so. So the entire mass is evening out through normal diffusion/osmolality. Remember I identified the problem before the transplant.

Now there is the possibility the meter is way off on the pH. But it does show a trend, regardless to higher pH. There has to be some salt in my water supply that is causing this, dang I do not want to go back to RO:mad:

It is looking better with the main top leaves reaching up to the light again, so something right is happening, and I think it is also greener.

[WashougalWonder]

Need to correct the statement. Soil in the edges is 5.0.

Also note.....Fox Farms says pH of 6.5 in bag, soil tester shows 4.5
Soil tester shows water 4.5, but is by drop test 6.5.

Trend there too????

Looks better - greener - today

[Rusty Trichome]

I'd think so. Looks like the soil probe is a couple whole points off. Beware of trusting that it is 2 points off at higher ph values though. It might not be a sliding-scale difference at higher ph's. (might be one point difference, might be 3 points difference)

I'm formulating a plan after reading the e-mail to compensate for the issues of lockout in lower ph soils. Might even revert back to Grow Big instead of Tiger Bloom, and I am stopping the Cha Ching altogether. (PO4 tollerance issues)

<sigh> Learning is such a bitch sometimes... :jointsmile:

[WashougalWonder]

Well, was gone overnight so she got a chance to settle a little. No change except it is greener. Still not ready for any amount of water. I would say current water content is perfect, not too wet or dry. Still have the big gradient in pH between the old root ball and the new soil. So my latest simple additive to change (lower) the pH is the Cal/Mag additive. Mixed up a 2 cup batch at pH 5.0 (ended up being 2 ml) and and moved off the new dirt from the old root ball and watered over the top of that and pushed the new soil back over the top.

I also wonder if this a normal behavior for this species as it flowers. It is always possible, though I highly doubt it. The fastest and best response was when I gave the molasses. So cal/mag is similar and takes much less to lower the pH. Tomorrow will tell me. Much warmer now, so not too worried about cold, in fact I changed the fan to circulate over the tops under the light.

I will hopefully have some photos later, been a busy time and haven't had time to download and edit for multiple projects.

[WashougalWonder]

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Topping and shortening internode lengths.

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A top

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The whole look

[Sunmaid]

Holy shit man, its like Little Shop of Horrors in there! :jointsmile:

[canniwhatsis]

Beautiful! :hippy:

[WashougalWonder]

Very slowly it is coming around. I have been giving very small amounts of water with high concentrations of acidic nutes/additives. I shall outline, and the process is still ongoing.

Once it was clear we were too alkaline and too wet, we cleared the new potting soil off the top of the root ball and gave a liter of water with molasses pH'd to 5.0. This resulted in the tops reaching to the lights again and improved green color.
Next day I gave PhosphoLoad, pH'd to 5.5 in the same manner in a liter of water. Maybe greener next day but not as reaching to the light.
Day next, I gave cal/mag pH'd to 5.0. (note this is almost exactly the same as giving molasses) 2 ml in a liter and poured around the outside on the new potting mix. Much greener 2 days later when I returned from out of town and reaching for the light again. So a day without water was in the middle.
Day next I gave 2 cups of water pH'd to 4 with distilled white vinegar. Will see results soon. Went and bought pH Down as I do not want to continue to give a bunch of salts.

Overall the plant is looking better, still have the clawing, but no new clawing.

The topping is so impressive I will try and not space out a pic today to show the huge difference.

[WashougalWonder]

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Thar she be.

[WashougalWonder]

Okay, she has turned the corner. Looks good again. Back to giving regular watering and feeding some. The bottom never seemed to want to come back so it got trimmed. this lead to looking at the tops under a 'scope and had some interesting findings.

The tops have minimal very tiny trichomes. Nothing to write home about for sure, in fact, quite discouraging after all this time. I can only hope in the next 30-60 days it comes around.

Some have praised my patience, but it sure is running thin after seeing that.

Even after trimming, the canopy fills a 4 x 5 foot grow space, I am allowing the tops to grow up now, no further training to go sideways. There are about 30 distinct tops out of 4 main branches. When I put her in she was like 16" tall.......

Also I have pollenated a branch of her with Poker Face pollen and seeds are growing. So I will, in the future, have a new toy to try out. The way things stand now, I am not going to keep her mother alive. She must really get a lot better if she wants to have a regular place in my garden.

[Rusty Trichome]

Looking good WW. Will be interesting to see the ThaiPoker (or whatever you name 'em) seedlings. :thumbsup:

I'm running out of milk crates to raise the other plants, but I'd rather not start trimming 'em at this stage of the game. If I tuck-n-tie any more branches, I'll be covering other growing tips.
But if they ever fill-out, this will be worth the efforts and the headaches, lol. With all the bondage, I've kept them to 3' tall above soil level. I tried measuring the mainstems, and they'd be a tad over 6 foot without the bondage. The tallest growing tips you see are lower side branches, not the mainstem(s). Looks like there will be about 5 gallons of trim after harvest. Wish I had some bubble bags.

Teeny-tiny trichomes on some of the calyx's, and evidence of early trichomes (capitate stalks forming from the hairs) on some of the leaves. No odors yet, but am starting to see pistil die-off and seed-swell from the calyx's I pollinated with some of the Safari pollen I had.

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[WashougalWonder]

Great on the fatherhood there Rusty. I can loan you my bags when the time comes if you want.

[WashougalWonder]

Wow, this thing is immense. This first picture is showing part of the light hood. As you can see there is no main top, just side tops growing all over. Since the pH has improved vertical growth has begun again. I am going to let the light burn it to keep it in check, got way too much plant as it is, that is a vertizontal hood, 4' diameter.

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Not being used to this sized container, I am not so sure how much water to give on a regular basis. Me beginning to think that I have dry and wet spots. About 5 liters every other day seems to be the demand with maybe a slight trickle out of one of the drain holes. Not the same one each time either. 5 liters does not spend any time on top in a pot this size, poof, gone.

The tops are different, that is all I can say. Fluffy is still a pretty good description, airy another. I still do not see any trichomes without a microscope.

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Generally it is dropping leaves on the bottom, not enough light penetrates, it is up to 1K watts now. I have trimmed it back again, this makes 3 major cut backs. Tried some after drying and it is terrible green taste. UCK.

Another bud view

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Now, tomorrow makes 107 days since light reduction began,
60 days since beginning of flowering.

I am assuming from what I have seen so far, that another 40 days at a minimum will be required. I am getting impatient, especially without any outward sign of trichomes.

At least I am past half-way

[Rusty Trichome]

Are the holes in the bottom large enough to stick a finger in? (the finger-dipstick mehtod)

When I went to 15 gallon pots, I added perlite and drilled a couple of 1/2 holes in the sides (about 1/2 way up) to aid with releasing moisture and providing a bit of air. If you add too much perlite, you can close the side holes with duct tape, lol. (personal experience)

Sure your wouldn't rather tie-down the reaching buds rather than cooking 'em? Growing tips are a terrible thing to waste, and it would suck to catch 'em on fire. :thumbsup:

[WashougalWonder]

I think getting too close will cook them before they catch fire. I actually gave a dose of phosphoload today. The holes in the bottom are 1" square. I don't know, maybe I am getting lazy, but I just want the damn thing to get done. If ever. LOL

[Rusty Trichome]

Sure makes for an uneven canopy growing next to the other strains. Looks like mine are bulking-up again. Their history is to stretch when you're not looking though. I commend you on your sticking it out till the bitter end. If you can do this Thai indoors, you can do anything. Have you come across nanners at all? None spotted on mine. (yet)

Are you in the same room with other strains, or is this a dedicated space?

Did you have any success with the bubble bags, or are the capsules better/easier?

[WashougalWonder]

No nanners that I have noticed
Dedicated space
Well I cannot utilize the concentrate from bubble bags, so oil seems best for me, much easier than the bags on my back

[WashougalWonder]

:detective1:
Well, I think I have been learning much. I maybe have been under watering. No nanners still Rusty. I harvested the first seeds off of it today, been about 3 weeks or so since I pollenated it.
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The single seed I looked at was ripe, so what the heck eh?:woohoo:

So I have learned how well Phosphoload works in the proper application. The next photo shows a space of stretching in the plant top followed by becoming more dense. The stretch was just as she recovered from her 'incident' and the stoppage coincided with the application of 1ml of Phosphoload. The plant has displayed no other untoward tendencies since the application except a desire for more water. 3/4 gallon a day has no runoff if applied slowly:weedpoke:
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And finally the whole canopy. I had to move the light up to it's maximum today, the tops were 5" from the bulb. It is beginning to get odor and I noticed trichomes on the seed pods.
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:thumbsup:

Mind you the space that is occupied is 4x5 feet and the canopy is 16" thick or more

[Farmer Rich]

Hey Wash,

Very cool you're doing Thai.. I still dream about it from the 70's. I'm also experimenting with sativa dominant plants now so I'm definitely interested in what you're learning. In my case, I have a bit over 6' of vertical space to the edge of my reflectors and have found if I flip the ones I have at ~22", they end up toping out right about 6' looking like a Christmas tree. Having good luck on Greenhouse Super Lemon Haze, but am thinking of trying Hawaiian Snow as well.. With both being hybrids, they only go 12 weeks on the long side and not as long as it looks like yours will take.

So you're a the end of week 9 in flower now; how long do you expect it to go? 15-16 weeks?

Peace, Farmer Rich

[WashougalWonder]

Your guess is as good as mine, I am counting in days, and figure 110 to be my 'magic number' for guestimation purposes, but the plant will tell me, I am sure

[Rusty Trichome]

Apparently mine are on the "until hell freezes over" schedule, lol. Not the plant for an impatient gardener.

[weeddaddy50]

WW....very interesting grow....i am watching....excellent job.....good luck with those seeds,

[WashougalWonder]

Apparently mine are on the "until hell freezes over" schedule, lol. Not the plant for an impatient gardener.

Been there, lived that.

[stjr2k]

I've been following your log with keen interest. The first place I ever heard about culling males was in Thailand early 70's. I'm new so I don't have much to offer except it has been great following your log. Great work!

[WashougalWonder]

I've been following your log with keen interest. The first place I ever heard about culling males was in Thailand early 70's. I'm new so I don't have much to offer except it has been great following your log. Great work!

I just supply the worry and water, the plant does the rest.

[WashougalWonder]

I think today makes 75 days since flower show. I am encouraged this week as I see some trichomes on the stressed bottoms and upon a trim of bottom stuff I noted the underside of the leaves have a fair dusting.

Soil pH is now 5.6, plant is happy as a clam, bulking, nice color green, dropping a few bottom leaves due to top canopy density. Second pic is just one bud and not the main cola.

Water consumption is definitely up also. I see more bulking than vertical this week for sure.
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[stjr2k]

All I can say is... Gorgeous! Nostalgia is starting to set in. I truly admire your patience and it appears your reward is finally at hand. Thanks for sharing the ride.

[WashougalWonder]

Well another week passes. Remember this is one single plant. I harvested the seed branches off her, don't want to induce the "I got laid" hormones more than I have to. Been having issues with yellowing again. Soil pH is running 5.8. Vast quantities of water to get runoff and I think I am just under watering. Let's hope. No ferts this week, just pH adjusted water (6.0).

The harvested stuff does have some small amber trichs, so I will cure it and get a taste I hope. :stoned:
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So, that is the canopy, some is now getting heavy and falling down. Especially when I give enough water. It has warmed up here so water use is going up even though humidity is running 95% 24/7

Just the main stem
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And, standing back as far as possible
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[emilya]

wow

[pushit]

Man that is looking good. What i wouldnt give to have .01% of yours and Rusty's knowledge haha. You just might need a chainsaw come time to harvest haha

[Gare0440]

monster sativa buds! looking great. been watching the whole grow and wow do those buds pack on slowly but surely:thumbsup:;)

[ipodgeek]

bs expert.a coworker with his nexus one always tries to show me how cool his device is but when i try to swipe on the home screen its about as smooth as sandpaper.The only droid ive ever seen that isnt god awful is the captivate. Until the response time / shuddering / or whatever it is is fixed ill never own a droid.hopefull m4v to wmv converter (http://www.m4v-to-wmv.com/) can solve itYou're kidding right? I live in the UK and we have 3G and HSPDA most places (7.2 mbps at peak). Please tell me that Verizon isn't /still/ on CDMA (100kbps). Is their network steam-powered?

[Rusty Trichome]

WW...I strongly suggest you report this joker and see if the mods will clean-up the threads he's infected.

[WashougalWonder]

done did yesterday

[WashougalWonder]

I went to the garden today and found a baby in with the Thai. Must have had a seed fall off when I harvested the branch. Healthy looking little bugger. So that answers the question of which is the first new seed to try out of my pollenated plants. Needless to say, it got transplanted into an appropriately sized container with a label of Thai x Poker Face.

[Rusty Trichome]

Pretty cool. Are the leaves showing long and skinny, or shorter and fatter? Probably a bit too soon to recognize whether it's an indica or sativa dominate. But I'm real curious what the PokerFace will do with the Thai genes.

I did learn something first-hand from growing the Thai...it's not really an indoor strain, but with enough experience, space and time, it's possible. However, it's still not something I'd recommend for a novice. I crossed mine with a version of the White Satin. I've named the strain Satin Thai if it's a keeper. Haven't germed 'em yet though.

Are you planning to keep this thread going with the new arrival?

[WashougalWonder]

I think I will just do a separate grow log for it.....I think I will call it TP, for thai/poker.....LOL. No this is not an indoor species. I trashed the Mom, just cannot continue to justify the space for such a plant. Nostalgia will have to take a back seat. Actually the first two leaves were pretty short, but only one day old. I will try and remember to get a photo for ya Rusty. Yes, this is so exciting.

[WashougalWonder]

Flipping plant is sick again, yellowing that is advancing up the entire plant, curling, canoeing, just a little bit of everything. I stopped any additives 3 weeks ago. Consumption of water had skyrocketed. Frankly I was not sure what to do. So... I had a talk with myself and asked what would I advise someone else. I came up with flush.

Now, this is no easy task. I am disabled, the plant is in a 25 gallon pot in the very back of the grow area, I would have to completely empty the room to get the plant out to flush. So I had a kiddie pool I use for other stuff taking it easy in the storage tent, and incorporated it into the plan. Unfortunately, I think it is now a fixture as I can only push the pot around and that is difficult.

The plant still has a month or so to go, Monday makes 80 days in flower and estimates were from 96 -118 days. To me this means the plant still needs N and all the other basic nutes, that I have now flushed out. This is why I hate flushing. So in a fit of fear *lol* and keeping my fingers crossed I gave a final gallon with 15 ml of glucose/sucrose mixture, 1 ml molasses, and 1 tsp (God forgive me) Miracle Grow lawn and garden food. (It was the only fert I had around with N)

The plant was obviously locked out. Initially the runoff was clear down to a very low 5.0. As it started to change and rise to 5.5 I stopped flushing, assuming I have gotten the worst of the salts flushed.

My pH testing method is a drop test, so not accurate, but it does show a trend. Actually the water was not really discolored and I doubt it was off very far.

[WashougalWonder]

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Couldn't get the pic downloaded fast enough so here it is. Sick Thai

[Sunmaid]

HUBBA HUBBA!!! Looks good enough for me, lol. I think you're doing an excellent job. I would have killed it by now. Keep up the good work :greenthumb:

[WashougalWonder]

Wow CanCom functions ... for now... IN all this time I have flushed and just watered. Plant is not recovering, nor deterioriating. ....

[weeddaddy50]

WW......thank you for this grow log.....I have watched the whole time.....just the learning curve for you and all of us watching is huge.

I have two landrace's going......they are 60 days in flower and just starting to show pistals....it's brutal to watch....since the plants right next to them are done....

good luck

[Farmer Rich]

Hey WW,

How many days are you into flower now?

Peace, Farmer Rich

[WashougalWonder]

Well thanks. To the best of my unstoned memory, I am about 85 days of showing flowers. Still almost no trichomes. Those there are clear. At 110 days she gets killed regardless I am fed up with this. Waste of money, time, and space.

[Rusty Trichome]

Sure makes you appreciate the quick finishing strains. (Patience my ass...I'm gonna kill something...)

Size of trichomes doesn't necessarily relate to effects of the buzz. My old Swazi Skunk (sativa dominate) had teeny-tiny trich's, but packed a whallop.

Good job on taking it this far though. :thumbsup:

[WashougalWonder]

Well, today brings 92 days in flower and just a quick check on trichome color got my attention real quick and woke me right up. Seems I have some showing clear, some showing cloudy (most of them) and a few amber.

Today makes 92 days, 16 weeks one day of flowering.

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Only a few burned tips with all the stress she has had.

[Rusty Trichome]

Are they solid buds or kinda airy?

Can't wait to see it trimmed-up nice-n-purdy...:thumbsup:

[WashougalWonder]

airy

[WashougalWonder]

You know Rusty, considering how this plant has been all it's life the buds are quite compact, but not compared to something like PokerFace.

[WashougalWonder]

Trichomes are cloudy and some more amber. Getting close, almost 100 days

[Rusty Trichome]

Glad you were able to take it this far.

Yeah...PokerFace has a tendency to get a tad...solid. Makes trimming and cleaning a gooey mess, but it's worth the effort.

[WashougalWonder]

Well I think in next two days I will harvest. Wife is on vacation and keeping me very busy going here and there.

Thanks to all for the comments and questions and staying on topic.

[WashougalWonder]

I harvested all of it yesterday. Buds are light, airy. Slight stickiness and odor, nothing to write home about. Will take a couple weeks at least to cure and get a smoke report for ya.

I am leaving the board here... The atmosphere has changed and I don't care for it any more. Best to ya all.

[rattlingdags]

Noooooooooo :( WW don't leave gosh your one of the mainstays here; so respected and kind and generous with your knowledge. All your posts are a learning experience for me and I'm sure for so many others. I have a notebook jammed full of pearls of wisdom from you and some of the other seasoned growers, and its because of that that our first harvest was a wonderful success and the second looks even better.
This board would be a very much poorer place without you :(

[topcat_121]

hi I'm new here and live a long way away from you. I enjoyed the grow log immensely, however would'nt have your patience. I got 4 feminised big buds stretching out of their pots (2"- 3") & i've got to get them hidden in my new tent before the wifes mother arrives. This is my first grow, I'd have appreciated reading more of your stuff.

Good luck with the thai



I harvested all of it yesterday. Buds are light, airy. Slight stickiness and odor, nothing to write home about. Will take a couple weeks at least to cure and get a smoke report for ya.

I am leaving the board here... The atmosphere has changed and I don't care for it any more. Best to ya all.