White russian (WWXAK47) X Strong ruderalis - new strain creation? :D

[marijuanavillebilly]

do you think this cross would be unstable?
how many times do you think i'd have to re-cross with Lowryder #1,2 to get desirable results?
should i silver nitrate the WR and pollenate the LR#1,2? for a better chance of females to cross back over?
or should i do natural and just cross the best males with the best females outta the F1 batch?
if i reuse the parent genetics in the F1's, does that make them F2?
then what does that make the offspring? their own cusions? :WTF:
i wanna make my own strain, and this is the one i want.
i want the strongest known and documented strain crossed with the fastest, smallest strain documented.
any advice from the pro's would be AMAZING! :)

[marijuanavillebilly]

anyone?

[WashougalWonder]

Any cross can be potentially unstable.

I find the potential cross uninteresting. Sorry

[Psycho4Bud]

I'd suggest people take a step back and chill a bit.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Heh,... seems like I've missed something.


Oh well! ;)



White Russian is White Widow crossed with AK47? Really!??? I might have to breed my own White Russian seeds then! :D (I have a nice high yielding and stable strain of AK47, and plenty of pollen from a male seed grown White Widow)

As for how to back cross the Ruderallis in to it,.... Be damned if I know. :(

My best guess would be do F1 crosses both way's,... Pollenate a WR Female with a LR male, and a LR female with a WR male.

Choose the best traits of both F2's and back cross them to an F1 of which ever trait you want to encourage.



I don't know shit about breeding, so that's just hearsay, and my uneducated guess at how such a breeding program could be done.

Much of the reading I've done indicates that for the actual desired effects to be achieved it will take many generations, and several years to get it perfected.





Good luck! and if you get it down keep us posted! :greenthumb:

[Lynhal]

Heh,... seems like I've missed something.
Oh well! ;)


Yeah you did, canni. I was some good reading, too. Not very kind reading yet good on its own merits. I guess those posts have been deleted. I had one that suggested a great site for learning more about MJ genetics but that seems to have left this thread, too. *shrugs*

[Rusty Trichome]

Bummer. Looks like I missed out on part of this. :(


i want the strongest known and documented strain crossed with the fastest, smallest strain documented.
any advice from the pro's would be AMAZING! :)
That's all? Considering your "best" is likely a different animal than other folks "best", do what you want to make yourself happy. But actual breeding is not usually done on a small scale, as there are too many subtle differences in the resulting genetics to find, stabilize and standardize "the optimal" combination specific to your needs and wants.

Sounds like you've been reading up a tad, but unless you have 100's of seedlings to choose from, genetic drift is likely a guarantee. But then, the hundreds of seedlings you didn't choose for the growth phase need to be grown-out to inspect their flowering traits, and which of those traits you'd want to amplify in the gene pool.

It sounds basic when on paper, but the actual breeding process isn't nearly as cut-n-dry as that. It isn't a 3 parts plant "A", (autoflower) crossed with 2 parts plant "B", (indica dominate) back-crossed with plant "A", then the results crossed (and femmed) against plant "C", (a landrace sativa) then re-back-crossed wth plant "A" again, then finally crossed with plant "D" for the aromatics. Most of the time, it's not nearly this easy. Most breeders cross then select, then back-cross the winners. You sound like you want to breed to a (non-existant) standard, using hybrids that will offer genetic shift with every breeding. Tough nut to crack, even for the experienced. Then, there's selecting the males for this breeding process. Equally as challenging.

Growing and selective breeding are two separate mindsets and require completely different growroom techniques and growspace.

Have you looked online for the "strongest known and documented strain crossed with the fastest, smallest strain"? I'll bet there's a few available.

So if you have the space, money and time to put forth, I guess getting all anal over the process is justified. If not, out sponsors on CanCom will gladly offer you a shortcut. (seeds for sale) :thumbsup:

[Lynhal]

Excellent points, RT. Getting a stable strain, just the way you want it to be, will be one hell of a challenge. And it takes many, many, many (did I say many?) many, many grows to get even close which, unless you have the space to be simultaneously growing several strains, (with another secluded area for the males) or several people all joined together in the effort ... it would easily take 2-3 or more years to get the stability they are looking for without any drift. (a future Canna Cup entrant?)

I must admit I would admire the effort put forth to accomplish such a task. I hope in a few years to see a post from MB stating he accomplished his goals and created just what he was looking for. :rastasmoke:

[Rusty Trichome]

If an all-encompasing hobby is your goal, it's worth the efforts. But looking for the buds that provide the "Eternal buzz" is a fruitless endeavour. Exactly like one of the lesser-known Murphy's Law collaries on the subject of cannabis. ("The grass is always greener") Regardless...some folks like a slow-mellow (daytime?) buzz more than a heavy couchlock (meditative) variety.

A simple change of strain can usually help you through tollerance issues, if that's an issue.

If looking to create a marketable strain...look online for your competition. Which, by the way, is likely better-funded, already proven sucessful and stable, already has a large clientel, and is likely based in a country that isn't so anal about interstate sales of an illegal product being shipped through the U.S. Postal Service on a (if you're lucky) daily or weekly basis.

Is the effort worth the effort? IMHO, not really. It is fun to experiment, which can help you to understand the processes, but selective breeding will only take you so far before it's a matter of diminishing results. Especially small scale.

Then there's those pesky latent expressions that pop-up unexpectedly at the worst possible time...

[captainendoe]

im interested in this topic too but what do you mean it is only a matter of time before you reach deminishing results?

[marijuanavillebilly]

well, this seems to have picked up momentum and died.
allow me to kick the ball. :)

[mrsffdbob]

Or you can skip all those steps and purchase them from lowlife seeds :)

[fasts102376]

^^^lol^^