Mold on my seedlings?

[poker2]

Got this white/grey stuff on my leafs

Looking like this (found image on g00gle)
http://www.gardenscure.com/420/attachments/plant-nursery/160234d1139371055-what-nasty-stuff-my-leaves-leaf-minors3-misc.jpg
^thats the link

I'm guessing it's mold? (Which I originally thought it was spider mites - thankssss its not :D)

Any suggestion on dealing/minimizing/getting rid of/ controling this?

I'v been using neem oil.
thats all though

Seedling is 1 and 1/2 week old

[tikiroom]

The leaf in that pic shows leaf miner damage not mold.

[canniwhatsis]

there's a caterpillar in the picture,


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If it's Mold or Powdery mildew, warning this S*** STINKS!!!!!!!!!

[tikiroom]

Nice eye I totally missed that before. :thumbsup:

[budlover13]

Good eyes cannis! I only saw it after your post! :o

[poker2]

Hmm... thanks for the info. I'm not sure what it is then. I have one plant and it is inside/ never came in contact without outdoor things. Thats what it looks like to me. So I am not sure, is it something I should be worried about or ignore it?

[tikiroom]

I would say stay with the neem oil for a bit, but I am still pretty much a newb.
I have not personally had that much experience dealing with insects. (...knocks on wood...)

Be patient and I'm sure one of the veterans here will have some insecticide suggestions. :hippy:

A pic of your actual leaf would help out a ton on proper diagnosis.

[poker2]

Just got some pics up +(Y)
Heres a link to my other thread showing how the plant was about 3 days ago and very detailed info about what i am doing/have done.
Also just got T5 lights (Y) [knock on wood they are good]

The i don't know what..marks? you see on the leafs, you can see the exact same thing on the same leaf on the back/bottom of it.
The sagging I guess is from over watering? which I should leave alone the water and the neem oil for a bit till it drys. I am more worried though about the marks ...

[poker2]

forgot to post link to other thread with the loads of specific info to what I am doing/have done
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/193486-criticize-my-first-ever-friend-pics-very-detailed.html

:)

These are the lights I got...
Lithonia Lighting - 24 In. Fluorescent Mini T5 Double Strip - MN S5 2 14 LP M6 - Home Depot Canada (http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CatalogSearchResultView?D=980440&Ntt=980440&catalogId=10051&langId=-15&storeId=10051&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntx=mode+matchall&N=0&Ntk=P_PartNumber)

Any thoughts about them too?

[poker2]

Anyonee?

[Rusty Trichome]

I'm not one to post-hop all over the place looking for other's info. If you want help, YOU do the work, and post the info here. :thumbsup:

Kill the bugs, which likely arrived via your potting mix.

The lights are ok for young seedlings and clones, and I guess you could eek-out some buds...but the better the lighting, the better the results.

Quit overwatering, no nutrients or additives for at least another week or two, and keep a fan on 'em. The breeze will strengthen the stem so you won't need to support the plant. It'll also help dry-out that oversize pot of water-saturated soil before the next feeding.
Tiny plants should be in tiny pots. One or two cups, for instance. ("kegger cups" work good too, but poke holes for drainage) Medium plants, medium pots. (one or two gallon pot, for instance) Big plants, big pots...(three or five gallon nursery pots)
Almost any nursery has used pots. I pay 10 cents per 1 gallon black nursery pot, 15 to 20 cents for 5 gallon pots. (clean 'em good to avoid molds and bugs)

[poker2]

Rusty I am a complete beginner and If i knew the problem I would probably be able to find out a solution myself. But I don't even know what to research for because I am not sure what's wrong with my plant.

All the other info you gave though sound great and for sure I will follow,
Thanks
+thanks to everyone else so far.

[Rusty Trichome]

My main point was to have you post the info here so we can see exactly what's going on, but the bug on the leaf pretty much say's it all.
I don't mind helping, but I don't see why I should hop all over looking for info you could have and should have provided here either with a link, or copy-n-paste. No big deal, I'm just an ass regarding stuff like that. :thumbsup:

[poker2]

My main point was to have you post the info here so we can see exactly what's going on, but the bug on the leaf pretty much say's it all.
I don't mind helping, but I don't see why I should hop all over looking for info you could have and should have provided here either with a link, or copy-n-paste. No big deal, I'm just an ass regarding stuff like that. :thumbsup:

Ooo Lol sorry. And where is the bug on the leaf :O (can you point it out and tell me what picture and maybe what type of bug it is ex:spider mites or w.e/) :D Thanks in advance :P
And would that plant survive? or should I just scrap it now =(

*only reason I didn't directly post the info here because it was sooo long
-but im pretty sure I posted a link to it? didnt I lol

[MadSativa]

your pics have catapillars on each leaf, the marks are theri tracks, but you have 2 cattapillars on those leafs theri. they are som what clear but you can see em on little one one big one, you need bug spray, home depot or wallmart or a hydro stor will have some thing for cattapillars, just ask them for cattapillar killer. neem oil will keep em away but not after you have them you need incecticied.

you also have fungus groewing on theri too, probly from the weakend state that the cattapillar casued, uses fungicide with sulfer.

you need 2 things now, fungicide and catapillar killer, safer soap and cattapillar killer, any hydro stor will have them. it is to late for neem oil neem is a preventative you need to kill this or you will start to get black mold, then death to the plant comes next. expect black to start settling in, this can not be leaft alone your plants are dieing. you need sulfer fungicide and catapillar killer. if you look online ace hardeware sells safer soap, and almost every garden store has incecticed for catapillars.

I have erd pyrytheum will kill both but I have no experiance with pyrythium

[poker2]

@Mad Sativa

Would you recommend I just scrap, clean out room and start over?
This was my first grow attempt and I am tight on cash right now because of all I have spent already. Would you recommend I go out and get the two sprays or should I just restart?

[Rusty Trichome]

Just one poison is usually enough.

Depends on the overall damage that's already been done by the caterpillars, but I'm a big proponent of finishing what you start. You have this much invested in the plant(s), are they worth trying to save...?
If light damage, get some vegetable-safe bug spray and follow directions on the bottle. Raise lights, apply the poison to entire plant (undersides of the leaves, too) and soil, wait an hour or two, rinse the plant with properly ph'd water, lower the lights. Repeat as directed. I'm not sure what it's lifecycle is, but the eggs will keep ya busy. Do not overuse the poison. it will cause as many problems as you're trying to solve.

I'd look into a different source for your potting mix, as that's the likely vehicle that brought-in the caterpillars and their eggs.

[tikiroom]

I just re-read through this thread and poker2's other thread.
The first two photos (links) of this thread are not pics of poker2's plant, but ones that were found online that he thought looked like his plant. These are the photos with the caterpillar on the leaf.

The actual photos of his plant are the four about ten posts back. From those pics I don't believe this is an insect problem, but I am by no means an expert on any of this. One last thing to point out is, if you zoom in on the actual pics it looks like there's spider webs on the leaf. This is not webs, it's strands of cotton fiber from when he was trying to wipe of the leaves with cotton. I found this in the other thread.

Maybe this will help some. :hippy:

[bluntar]

Whatever you do get to kill the bugs, keep in mind that you or someone will be consuming this plant at the end (hopefully). I would recomend something made for cannabis, or atleast something natural. I use pyrethrin as an all around pesticide. Fox Farms makes a spray that uses pyrethrin and other natural ingredients, its called Dont Bug Me. Neem oil is another sorta all around product. Good luck!!

PS. keep lookin at that 1st pic, you will see the larvae (looks like a magot) (SLIPKNOT!!)


EDIT
JUST READ TIKI'S POST> NEVER MIND

[poker2]

@tikiroom Thanks for analyzing my posts and sorry to everyone that tryed to help if it was confusing. The web like thing ISS cotton :S and please reffer to the 4 pics I posted about the problem with the plant :/

...now maybe I can get a better idea of what is actually wrong =)

-->> Also after I watered the plant with very little neem oil and room temp water that was left out... I poured out that water and I guess must have washed out any nutrients added from the first (and only time) I fertilized the plant with diluted fertilizer. After that this "problem" of the discoloration of the leaves went away (knock-on-wood)

[poker2]

@tikiroom Thanks for analyzing my posts and sorry to everyone that tryed to help if it was confusing. The web like thing ISS cotton :S and please reffer to the 4 pics I posted about the problem with the plant :/

...now maybe I can get a better idea of what is actually wrong =)

-->> Also after I watered the plant with very little neem oil and room temp water that was left out... I poured out that water and I guess must have washed out any nutrients added from the first (and only time) I fertilized the plant with diluted fertilizer. After that this "problem" of the discoloration of the leaves went away (knock-on-wood)



Oh and one more thing -> that pot in the picture is that a fine size to start with? or should I but the seed when Its ready to plant into a cup of soil first?

[MadSativa]

@Mad Sativa

Would you recommend I just scrap, clean out room and start over?
This was my first grow attempt and I am tight on cash right now because of all I have spent already. Would you recommend I go out and get the two sprays or should I just restart?

I would go as you see it if all your plants are dieing then try to get clones but if you are cashed out then you might be able to save them, however problems like these will not go away, they started with the environment and when you try again they will come back more than likely, and the guys are right thier is a one all spray, but usually expensive. I think if you get a $10 bottle of premade sulfer soap or get the $12 concentrate or just go to home depote and find a insectiside for 5 bucks you can still have some good harvests.

one thing to look at is if you plant can be saved, are half or more of the leaves missing? is desies setting in? your whole garden is already infested and when yo try again more than likely they will come back, so no matter what you are gonna have to battel insects, even if you start over, so I recomend if you can and it is fezzable (no need to run a 1000W for 1 plant) save what you got, but if theri is nothing much to save then mabey you can clone live parts of the palnt, but you cant realy do that till the nisects are purty dead. so it realy is up to you, do you think you have enough palnt to savbe or can you clone what you got left or is it already all dead, so no matter what you do is it dead already. these are things that almost all of us have faced in some point or another, dont worry these problems happen even to the best growers so becaseu your new dont feel bad or anything, just rember you solving a problem and even at the end your sum or answer might not be 100%, but you learnd a new problem or equation, and next time you can solve it easyer or solve it before it happens.

that is what preventative spraying is all about, spray with neem, sm90 or even sulfer soap as a preventative, we all learn at some curve, so weather your plants can be saved depends on if you can save them.

[poker2]

I would go as you see it if all your plants are dieing then try to get clones but if you are cashed out then you might be able to save them, however problems like these will not go away, they started with the environment and when you try again they will come back more than likely, and the guys are right thier is a one all spray, but usually expensive. I think if you get a $10 bottle of premade sulfer soap or get the $12 concentrate or just go to home depote and find a insectiside for 5 bucks you can still have some good harvests.

one thing to look at is if you plant can be saved, are half or more of the leaves missing? is desies setting in? your whole garden is already infested and when yo try again more than likely they will come back, so no matter what you are gonna have to battel insects, even if you start over, so I recomend if you can and it is fezzable (no need to run a 1000W for 1 plant) save what you got, but if theri is nothing much to save then mabey you can clone live parts of the palnt, but you cant realy do that till the nisects are purty dead. so it realy is up to you, do you think you have enough palnt to savbe or can you clone what you got left or is it already all dead, so no matter what you do is it dead already. these are things that almost all of us have faced in some point or another, dont worry these problems happen even to the best growers so becaseu your new dont feel bad or anything, just rember you solving a problem and even at the end your sum or answer might not be 100%, but you learnd a new problem or equation, and next time you can solve it easyer or solve it before it happens.

that is what preventative spraying is all about, spray with neem, sm90 or even sulfer soap as a preventative, we all learn at some curve, so weather your plants can be saved depends on if you can save them.
Hmm.. Thats makes a lot of sense :)
I actually ended up scraping it :( ...I'll try again from start after cleaning the room / pot etc with bleach water
Thanks for your respone
...and I only have one plant - no a garden lol :S

[Rusty Trichome]

Use the right tool for the job.
Small plant, small pot, transplant as necessary to prevent rootbound issues. If you are putting a seedling in a large pot, the tendency is to overwater to keep the soil hydrated. But it takes too long for the plant to uptake the excess moisture, and large pots of soil retain water too long for seedlings and young clones. This eventually causes a toxic enviornment for the roots. (root rot)
At the very least, overwatering can cause nutrient lockout issues.

So do you have bugs or not?

When posting, best to list all pertinent info in the post, (no links or post-hopping) and do not confuse the issue with photo's lifted from the web. Use a cell phone or borrow a camera.

If you have a few minutes, fill-out the troubleshooting form, and we can possibly see where you went wrong on this last grow. The link is in my signature. Copy-n-paste it here, and fill it out as best you can. Might be able to prevent this from happening again. :thumbsup:

A preventative spray of poison...? :wtf: Poison the plants ONLY if need be, and rinse the residue off when treatments are done. The chemicals may break-down fairly quickly, but the residue can clog respritory pores. (the stomata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoma)) If the soil is bringing-in bugs and egg cases, ditch it and get some fresh, or get it from somewhere else.
If bugs are coming-in from outside, get a screen door.

[poker2]

Here you are Rusty:
I'd love to see where I went wrong for sure so I learn from it =)(Y)

What is your experience level? Absolute First Timer

Your Equipment:
.1) 2x 60W CFL bulbs (one red and one blue color)
****NOW BOUGHT 2 T-5 LIGHTS****
.2) Always approx 2 inches from top of plant
.3) It's a cabinet (all flat matte white)
****NOW CHANGED TO A CLOSET- MATT WHITE WALLS ..brown floor****
.4) Fan that takes air out, Warm heater(mini) but is good to keep constant temperature, Windows for cold fresh air? (never used yet)
***NOW IN A CLOSET HAVE TO OPEN DOOR TO LET OUT AIR-*
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? Nope
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? Starting yesterday I put the lights to 18on/16off. Before that for the first 10 days of the plants life they were 24hours on

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)
-> Soil - Theres a link to it
http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CatalogSearchResultView?D=917495&Ntt=917495&catalo gId=10051&langId=-15&storeId=10051&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntx=mode+ matchall&N=0&Ntk=P_PartNumber
-> All purpose (Plant Prod- brand) 20-20-20 Fertilizer
-> A inch or two or plain perlite at bottom of pot
.8) Size of container? Not sure see pictures
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings?
->No, I put them in between two moist paper towels and inbetween two plates at 77 degrees F.

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting?
->Filtered water that has been sitting out forever/ room temp.
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)
-> none yet
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)
-> none yet
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?
-> When soil look like it needs water/ is 'crusty' on top. Until soil is moist(and I can see a decent amount of water at bottom of pot) -sometimes about 1L
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)
-> Neem oil after thinking there might be spider mite - Can someone try to confirm?
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?
-> No clue
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph?
-> No clue
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?
-> What's that -.-
Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors?
-> I
20) What size of closet, room or hut?
->Cabinet
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
-> Always about 77degrees F(25degrees C) lights on and off.
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?
-> Not that I know of. Scared of spider mites (there seem to be VERY TINY white dots only on the tops of my leafs) Can someone confirm?

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
->80/20 Indica/Sativa
24) From seeds or clones?
-> Seeds (Bubble Gum x Og Kush)
25) Is this an autoflower strain?
-> Nope


*This is what I mostly plan to do this time ..but Is what I did before. Maybe someone can tell me where I went wrong? =)

[MadSativa]

oh nice strain, one of my faves, very hearty to desis. but not as much as the original bubble gum or thseeds bubblegum. but the smoke is nice, very nice

next time just use preventative foiler spraying, spray with neem or with sulfer or both. safer soap makes a product sold almost everywhere. it is sold at ace hardware and every other hydro store in the nation practicaly, about 10 bucks each one for neem one for safer. scince you had prblems already cleaning might not be enough. here in NM we have big problems with fungie and bacteria the dry air drys the plants and fungi and bacteria creeps in realy easily. spray about once a week with neem or safer or both next time, and spray in the room to get some spray in the room as well. these are both omri products so theri tottaly orgainc but next time around you need to implement preventative measeures for this. almost every grower does things like this, some use posions that are not natural and they work fine, but the more natural the better.

one mre thing when spraying spray about 15 mins before the light go out. this is so the soap and neem have some chance to sink in the leaves, and also not to keep so much moister on the leaves at night.

[poker2]

Okay thanks a lot. I have cleaned out my room with a water/bleach mixture a fews days ago and let it air out. I'll probably vaccume it once before putting the seedling in there.
I have the neem spray so I'll probably use that once a week (but I will probably wait until the seedling is a bit bigger or should I not?)