HOW DID IT HAPPEN?

[yetibear]

I have a hermi and trying to figure out how it happened has been driving me crazy!

The plant was about 6 months old when I decided to flower her and I had to chop 14-15 inches off the top to fit it into my tent, also I kept her "it" in the same 5 gallon planters pot that I originally planted "it" in.

I was told about 2 weeks into flowering that I should have re-poted "it" into fresh soil! could that have done it, being in the same pot and soil for that long? or a bad seed to begin with?? I also about 2 weeks ago, started watering "it" every other day instead of every day as I had been doing the 1st 4 weeks of flowering.

Its been fed foxfarm grow big, technaflora boost, bloom and carboload and big bud! going from plain water to nutes every other watering! which I was told by my local supply store was the way to do it and that all of the above was all ok to work with one another, could that have done it? It's been in a secret jardin tent in the basement of my home and it's very dark in this basement (very little light) and has been running 12-12 from 9am-9pm consistently, the temps have been no lower then 61 at night and no higher then 72 through the day! no pets! no male plants anywhere!! I'm at my wits end! I'm new to all of this! any help? thanks.

[budlover13]

Idk from experience, but heard that stress will hermie a plant. Don't know if re-potting creates more stress or less. I just found a seed in my smoke and know that they were all female, but heard that a mature female will produce a few seeds if not pollinated to ensure the genetic lineage.

[copobo]

it seems most often its light stress that causes hermies.

lights on controllers, outlet strips, under doors, a malfunctioning timer or a timer with a 15 minute section turned on in the middle of the night by accident... sometimes a timer will break and not shut off at all.

be there when your lights come on and resync them once a month. check them to be sure they are going off around the same time too, assuming you have >1 timers.

[yetibear]

it seems most often its light stress that causes hermies.

lights on controllers, outlet strips, under doors, a malfunctioning timer or a timer with a 15 minute section turned on in the middle of the night by accident... sometimes a timer will break and not shut off at all.

be there when your lights come on and resync them once a month. check them to be sure they are going off around the same time too, assuming you have >1 timers.

:thumbsup: Wow copo! I hadn't thought about that. you think?

Ok! the electrical outlet strip IS on the inside of the tent!!! are you talking the little red (off-on) light? that could cause "hermi" stress? really?? WOW!!

[porone]

:thumbsup: Wow copo! I hadn't thought about that. you think?

Ok! the electrical outlet strip IS on the inside of the tent!!! are you talking the little red (off-on) light? that could cause "hermi" stress? really?? WOW!!

I take mine out.The red is the worst

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

:thumbsup: Wow copo! I hadn't thought about that. you think?

Ok! the electrical outlet strip IS on the inside of the tent!!! are you talking the little red (off-on) light? that could cause "hermi" stress? really?? WOW!!

i think he means check your timers and make sure they are on the correct schedule. in our busy lives sometimes things go askew, it happened to me once. even chopping a top can stress a plant, espescially if the the seed is not stable to begin with. this is how 99.9% female seeds are created. check everything and see what you come up with. good luck mate:thumbsup:

[budlover13]

I've had small light leaks not affect me(as far as I can tell), My powerstrips are run off my timer, so Idk about the red lights.

[porone]

Take the red lights out honest , and I think he meant both

[porone]

Red light is what the plant sees best:thumbsup:

[budlover13]

I've had small light leaks not affect me(as far as I can tell), My powerstrips are run off my timer, so Idk about the red lights.

In my grow, the lights are off on the strip in the dark as I run my timers off the wall. When my ladies go nite, nite, only minor leaks IF there's ambient light.

[yetibear]

I was giving this light on the power strip some thought as I was moving it outside of the tent and It cant be that because the power strip is pluged into the timer, when the timer shuts off so does the power strip! dam-it I thought I'd found the culprit!!!:wtf: thanks anyway copo! it was a good shot. :cool:

[canniwhatsis]

I personally think that the idea of a small light source like the light on a power strip, or even some bleed under a door causing hermies is BS! My outdoor plants didn't ever hermie,.... I'm 2 houses off of a main street, and live on a feeder road into my neighborhood. there's TONS of HID streetlights within a hundred yards of where I put my outdoor girls,.... and then there's the moon. That orb lights the yard up even brighter than the street lights. yet, NO hermies? Even on my Grand Daddy Purple, that has herm'd every time grown indoors? :wtf:

My Indoor room isn't perfect, but you have to be in there for about 5 minuets before you start to see any hints of light. It's still a F'n cave at lights out, and WAY darker than outdoors, even on a new moon.

Add a little more stress to the outdoor equation, Temps,.... well, it's F'n Colorado, Massive variance in Day time highs and night time lows. Very low humidity that spikes just before sun up. Rain, Hail, violent winds, and PH fluctuations from natural watering (rain) and artificial waterings, (over spray from the sprinkler system would have PH of about 8.5, while the feedings that I administered were at 6.0),... shouldn't that have stressed it?

Indoors,... well I'm sure we are all familiar with an indoor environment. Mine runs about 74* and 35% humidity. Light breeze from the fans, lots of cross flow..... nice stable environment.


Do "I" think it's because of a little light bleed in the room or some other environmental stress? NO, there certainly was FAR more stress on my outdoor girl.

IMO, it's the "Sharp" cut off of the lights, Out doors, the light fades up to max intensity over several hours, then fades out in the same time, and the light cycle moves from our peak of 14.8 hours of day (around June 19-20th) to 12/12 over several months. (Around September 21-22nd)

While Indoors, it takes what 5 minuets for the HID to heat up to max intensity? and 3 seconds to cool down? (not cool down, but no longer produce visible/usable lumens)

How long was your switch over from 18/6 or 24/0 to 12/12? Most use a 24-36 hour "Dark" period,.... NOT a gradual decrease over 3 months.

Some strains simply seem to be hermi prone indoors, it may be the breeding, it might be something more encompassing, I don't know. :(

This is of course all speculation based on non scientific observation and not any solid fact. So take from that little rant what you will. ;)

[yetibear]

How long was your switch over from 18/6 or 24/0 to 12/12? Most use a 24-36 hour "Dark" period

I'm sorry I dont understand your question! are you saying that one should turn off the lights for 24-36 hrs after vegging (18-6) BEFORE going 12-12 and flowering? if so thats the 1st I've heard of this. :wtf:

[copobo]

different strains certainly have different tolerances for different stresses. I don't know if there is a greater chance for a little nanner or two to actually germinate in an indoor environment, but it would make sense if that were the case.

light isn't always the cause, but so many times I've heard of timer fuck ups causing hermies, and it's happened to me. ymmv

[budlover13]

I personally think that the idea of a small light source like the light on a power strip, or even some bleed under a door causing hermies is BS! My outdoor plants didn't ever hermie,.... I'm 2 houses off of a main street, and live on a feeder road into my neighborhood. there's TONS of HID streetlights within a hundred yards of where I put my outdoor girls,.... and then there's the moon. That orb lights the yard up even brighter than the street lights. yet, NO hermies? Even on my Grand Daddy Purple, that has herm'd every time grown indoors? :wtf:

My Indoor room isn't perfect, but you have to be in there for about 5 minuets before you start to see any hints of light. It's still a F'n cave at lights out, and WAY darker than outdoors, even on a new moon.

Add a little more stress to the outdoor equation, Temps,.... well, it's F'n Colorado, Massive variance in Day time highs and night time lows. Very low humidity that spikes just before sun up. Rain, Hail, violent winds, and PH fluctuations from natural watering (rain) and artificial waterings, (over spray from the sprinkler system would have PH of about 8.5, while the feedings that I administered were at 6.0),... shouldn't that have stressed it?

Indoors,... well I'm sure we are all familiar with an indoor environment. Mine runs about 74* and 35% humidity. Light breeze from the fans, lots of cross flow..... nice stable environment.


Do "I" think it's because of a little light bleed in the room or some other environmental stress? NO, there certainly was FAR more stress on my outdoor girl.

IMO, it's the "Sharp" cut off of the lights, Out doors, the light fades up to max intensity over several hours, then fades out in the same time, and the light cycle moves from our peak of 14.8 hours of day (around June 19-20th) to 12/12 over several months. (Around September 21-22nd)

While Indoors, it takes what 5 minuets for the HID to heat up to max intensity? and 3 seconds to cool down? (not cool down, but no longer produce visible/usable lumens)

How long was your switch over from 18/6 or 24/0 to 12/12? Most use a 24-36 hour "Dark" period,.... NOT a gradual decrease over 3 months.

Some strains simply seem to be hermi prone indoors, it may be the breeding, it might be something more encompassing, I don't know. :(

This is of course all speculation based on non scientific observation and not any solid fact. So take from that little rant what you will. ;)

Be careful of that which you speak Cannis! I got FLAMED for suggesting running a grow trying immitate nature exactly. I was told "We are bettering nature not replicating it. I swear I'm going to get more info on the moon(light K, lumens, etc) and running a grow trying it. Doesn't get much better than nature right?

[canniwhatsis]

Be careful of that which you speak Cannis! I got FLAMED for suggesting running a grow trying immitate nature exactly. I was told "We are bettering nature not replicating it. I swear I'm going to get more info on the moon(light K, lumens, etc) and running a grow trying it. Doesn't get much better than nature right?

In My Opinion, it's not being "Better" than nature, it's an artificial environment, under artificial light.

It's "Close to" and more controlled than Nature, but can never "better" Nature.



The purpose of my story there was to illustrate the fact that some strains are more sensitive to the abrupt changes that are experienced in 99.9% of the indoor "Controlled" environments that are out there.


Check out WashougalWonder's thread on flowering equatorial breeds......

http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/193194-experiments-making-equatorial-breeds-flower.html


I'm starting to digress tho.

[canniwhatsis]

different strains certainly have different tolerances for different stresses. I don't know if there is a greater chance for a little nanner or two to actually germinate in an indoor environment, but it would make sense if that were the case.

light isn't always the cause, but so many times I've heard of timer fuck ups causing hermies, and it's happened to me. ymmv

Again reinforcing my original stance of


I personally think that the idea of a small light source like the light on a power strip, or even some bleed under a door causing hermies is BS!


Timer "F" ups? thusly leaving the HID ON for an extended period, or interrupting the "dark" period for 5 plus minuets at random intervals?

Yes that's gonna mess your plants up, :mad:


but some HID light bleeding thru the slight gap under the bottom of a door while your plants sit on a table 2-3' up off the floor isn't going to do anything.;)

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

In My Opinion, it's not being "Better" than nature, it's an artificial environment, under artificial light.

It's "Close to" and more controlled than Nature, but can never "better" Nature.



The purpose of my story there was to illustrate the fact that some strains are more sensitive to the abrupt changes that are experienced in 99.9% of the indoor "Controlled" environments that are out there.


Check out WashougalWonder's thread on flowering equatorial breeds......

http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/193194-experiments-making-equatorial-breeds-flower.html


I'm starting to digress tho.

i concur. and even nature can 'control' our controlled environments. winds causing blackouts and power surges affect our timers and such. even with light leaks a little shouldnt be to bad. im thinking this person either has a seed prone to hermie or chopping the plant and placing it into flower oft does not do well.

[porone]

We had a winter once that the power kept going out.I ended up with a hermi.I grew the seeds from this plant and they all turned out hermis.All of them.

I have freind who did the same over the last two years.All hermis

When they bread feminized seeds they basicly stress the female to produce female seeds.If the genes are not stable enough I would think you could end up hermi.

Could it be that you have simply planted a hermi seed?

[Vancefish]

Canni is right I believe. I too grew THE strain he had outside (50ish feet from a Street light). Mine hermed on EVERY bud (in pitch dark). More seed weight then bud. Yet Weeding4U also had a cutting of it outside which never hermied. She actually had to build a light blocking wall due to a street light and had NO hermis.

Feminized seeds are NEVER from the same plant that hermed. Those are Herm-ized seeds. To get Feminized seeds you need your hermi to pollinate another plant (not just another clone of the same plant either) It needs to be differing genetics.

My first plants (from bag seed) were also herm prone and had Nanners from about day 30 through to the end.

NOW I have the Durban poison, A stable (yet questionable) G13xAfgani, and the Blueberry. Which all three are stable! Light leaks, Forgetting to turn out the lights a couple times before I had a timer. Yet NO herms:thumbsup:

Thus I think stress CAN do it, Light might do it to specifically genetically flawed plants, But a stable strain can take it.

Just took these from the G13 at 82 days.:rasta: They are my first REALLY acceptable harvest. (mistakes like under-nuting, Nute lockout. Then hermi's and BUGS on others)

Pic 1 is the Cola from a two foot plant.
Pic 2 is the second plants Cola. (this plant got SO top heavy it fell over three weeks ago. After tieing it up, I discovered the stump got torn:mad:, YET all it did was slowed it down a little.:thumbsup:)

[SoCoMMJ]

After tieing it up, I discovered the stump got torn:mad:, YET all it did was slowed it down a little.:thumbsup:)

Take foil tape or nursery tape and put it back together. I've had some plants split in half because they get so heavy.

Stake them, tape them and they just keep going as if nothing happened.

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

Skimmed through some of the other advice but didn't read all.

First I have never had light leaks cause hermies. Light leaks aren't stress to the plant. Light leaks can just cause problems with flowering. Some strains seem to demand total darkness - and seems to be more related to those strains meant to just be grown indoors. So I don't think the tiny lights on your power strips/timers are going to be the problem.

A big topping of the plant like you gave it, is probably what caused the stress and then causing it to hermie.

I also prefer a warmer room during lights on, but don't think that's your issue.

As far as switching from veg to flower light times, a lot of people recommend doing at least a 24hour dark period before flipping to 12/12. I've tried it several times and didn't seem to make a difference in how quickly flowering starts nor did it increase bud size

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Skimmed through some of the other advice but didn't read all.

First I have never had light leaks cause hermies. Light leaks aren't stress to the plant. Light leaks can just cause problems with flowering. Some strains seem to demand total darkness - and seems to be more related to those strains meant to just be grown indoors. So I don't think the tiny lights on your power strips/timers are going to be the problem.

A big topping of the plant like you gave it, is probably what caused the stress and then causing it to hermie.

I also prefer a warmer room during lights on, but don't think that's your issue.

As far as switching from veg to flower light times, a lot of people recommend doing at least a 24hour dark period before flipping to 12/12. I've tried it several times and didn't seem to make a difference in how quickly flowering starts nor did it increase bud size

light can be an issue however it has to be significant enough. as far as night for a day or two, i dont see it as relevant. the switch in an artificial environment is as fast as it gets. in fact id say it confuses the natural program(as far as quicker flowering). many trials were tested on overgrow.com, whether days of darkness at the end of flower was productive. no evidence from anyone suggested any monetary gains. so i can only conclude that results would the same yield from the front end. each to their own though:jointsmile: