400W HPS - LA Confidential/Headband!

[GreenGopher]

Hey everyone, picked up six clones from a local dispensary last week (12/2) and wanted to start up this grow log. This is my second grow (first grow is currently curing), but my first grow log. Im really excited about this grow log and all the help i could potentially get from you experts. :rasta: Here is all the pertinent info...

Light: 400W HPS
Location: Broken Sauna in garage, So Cal
Plants: 3xHeadband 3xLA Confidential
Soil: Fox Farms Ocean Forest
Nutrients: Fox Farms Grow Big for Veg, and Fox Farms Big Bloom for Flower
Temp: Day - around 75 degrees, night 55-60 degrees and humidity never gets above 30%
Others: Oscilating fan 24/7 on plants, 6" inline fan for light, 2.5 Gallon Lowes buckets (holes drilled in bottom for drainage) and 5 Gallon pots for transplant later, and a thermometer.

Ill post pics in my next post. For those that recognize that I already had a thread from last week, I apologize. I messed that up and decided to do another. I emailed the admins twice asking for them to delete it, and I have not gotten any response. :mad:

One question about the nutes. The FF feeding schedule that you are given when you buy their nutrients says to give the plants only Big Bloom for the first week of veg...but as I understand it, the Grow Big is meant for veg. Could anyone explain this? :wtf:

Thanks to anyone who is tuning in!

[GreenGopher]

Pics from last week, 12/2, first day of my clones.

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd361/Longview3901/Grow001.jpg
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd361/Longview3901/Grow003.jpg

[GreenGopher]

Im gonna take some better and smaller pics today to show you guys with my actual camera, previous pics were from my phone. Off to light up and listen to Kanye's new album!

:rastasmoke:

[GreenGopher]

Clearer pics, but does anyone know how to make em small? I think its the attatched image thing, but i cant do that yet....anyways I have two questions for anyone who cares to answer.

On this pic theres some clear yellowing, just wondering what that is? The clones came a bit yellow, but I expected it to be better by now. Does it just need some nutes?

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd361/Longview3901/december9th2010005.jpg


On this pic you can see the yellowing as well, but the one in the back right is drooping a bit. I can feel very slight moisture very deep down so I wouldnt think it needs water. Im not sure.

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd361/Longview3901/december9th2010002.jpg

PS - Front row is LA Confidential, back row is Headband

[GreenGopher]

Hey guys, update...it's day 9 of veg and the plants are between 9''-12.5''. The light is now 6'' away from the top of the tallest plant. Pretty happy, all the new growth is looking really green and healthy. Had a ventilation problem, but fixed the ducting. Oh and I turned up my oscilating fan from low to medium today, hopefully to make them stronger. Im guessing the yellowing might be nute burn...still not sure, maybe its just cuz the clones came that way.


Here are some pics...

[Shovelhandle]

welcome gopher. A suana is a pretty classy grow box, hey? :D

[GreenGopher]

hahaha ya I guess it is. :thumbsup:

from a growing aspect its kinda tough during the hotter seasons cuz the temp gets up there so easily in a sauna. right now it's perfect tho cuz its been in the 40s and 50s lately, but my temp stays at a nice 70-75 and holds heat during the night. im definitely enjoying it. :rastasmoke:

Thanks for the post!

[GreenGopher]

All 6 are looking very very healthy, and Im really happy with the grow so far. One of my headbands is looking a lot shorter than all the others, but if memory serves that was one of the clones I picked up that was significantly shorter to start.

The yellowing I was worried about earlier isnt a problem anymore. I am worried about a bit of stretching, but they seem to gradually be filling out nicely.

I'll have some pics in my next post after I water....

[GreenGopher]

First pic...my tallest LA Confidential
Second pic...my tallest Headband
Third pic...my grow as a whole

[GreenGopher]

Hey guys, update. My girls have been veggin for 2 weeks exactly today and I couldn't be happier with the results.

Plants are 12"-16". All the LA Conf's are significantly taller than the headbands. "

Im gonna keep them in veg for two more weeks before i switch to 12/12 flowering. Everything is looking good imo, but still hoping for some input from the expert growers out there...

Should I transplant to 5 gallon pots today? I know theres a shock/stress factor when you transplant, and I figure I should do that a week or two before flowering. They are currently in 2.5 gallon buckets. Any input is appreciated! Also, if you see any danger of stretching please lmk, I had this issue with my first grow. Light is as close as possible and oscillating fan is keeping them strong, so I'm feeling confident, but once again all input is appreciated!

First two pics...My grow
Third...LA Conf
Fourth...Headband

Thanks guys

GG

[GreenGopher]

could some experienced growers give me some input? specifically on transplanting...also considering starting LST. Probably too late in veg to start, but my shorter headband is just under a foot tall so i may try with her only.

[GreenGopher]

Im still considering transplanting and starting LST on my shortest headband. Im just going to do both today if theres no other opinions out there.

Other than that no real problems...clipped off 2-3 dead leaves from the bottom foliage today. May water, think I'll save that til tomorrow.

pics...Front row is LA Conf, Back is Headband. Except the middle two, they were switched for rotating purposes. Front middle is my shortest headband, kinda worried about it. Hasnt changed height for two days stuck at 12".

All plants between 12"-18"

[Stomper420]

Gopher, whats up bud? Im doing some L.A. con too. Its my nicest looking plant.

You should line the walls with mylar, it will help alot with speading the light;)

Might also tie the down with a lil LST or they are gonna stretch on yea. Looks like they already are. Any ways , looks good. Im not sure about the yellowing leaves though, sorry.

Im gonna keep an eye on this one:rastasmoke:

[GreenGopher]

Hey man pretty good, hows it goin? LA Conf looks really nice! I checked out your log too and yours are lookin pretty dank!

I definitely want to get mylar but im not too sure I know where it's sold. I heard some emergency blankets are lined with mylar and work equally as well, do you have an opinion on that?

And do you think I should do LST on all of them? Arent they all a bit too old and tall? I was gonna do it on my 12" headband cuz i felt it was still small enough, but Im not sure how all of that works Ive never done it before.

Oh, and not to overload you with questions...but when do you think I should transplant? I was considering doing it today cuz im switching it to flowering in less than two weeks.

Thanks for the comment dude! I appreciate the input. :rastasmoke:

GG :jointsmile:

[Stomper420]

:thumbsup:Go to the hardware store, ask about insulated mylar for your water heater.

TIE UM DOWN;)

[Stomper420]

Transplant them now, feed um and send um off to the lab:wtf:

Tie um down, youll be much more happier:rastasmoke:

[Stomper420]

You got holes in the bottom of those buckets?

[SmokeMyPiece]

Hey Gopher, sorry im late, but im pullin up a stool :stoned:

-The yellowing is almost always a sign of Nitrogen deficiency. However, since they came that way, im glad to read u didnt add anything, as ur soil probably had enough, and they were just recovering :thumbsup:

-I would say yes to transplanting into the bigger pots. If you let them dry up, the soil will stay more intact. Maybe wait until you usually are about to give your next watering to do so.

-As long as you are in veg, its ok the transplant and lst, as doing so in flower will really be the only time itl effect your bud amount.
-I would wait a couple days to a week after the transplant to begin LST.

- I would also recommend Lst since i dont see to many side branches, unles your going for the single cola, SOG style grow.
*Tie the top of your plant as far down to the soil as possible. This will tell Her that the side branches need to grow and compensate for a missing main top.
*If the stem is hard, you can slowly work the top down over several days. Be sure to easily work the point of bend 'back and forth, back and forth' first, to prevent it from snapping.

-Wait a week after all is said and done, or signs of new growth before flipping to 12/12

-If mylar is hard to find/expensive, Just paint all walls a Flat White Paint. This is what i use and works fine.

Good Luck Bro!

[MadSativa]

top thoghs bad girls you got the room

[GreenGopher]

Stomper420: Im definitely gonna look into the mylar. My buddy next door said he has mylar emergency blankets and that I could have them, would that be worth getting?

Im going to transplant them into 5 gallon buckets today! Pretty excited to watch em shoot up with this fresh dirt they get to munch on! :D I'll give them about a week to recover from the stress and then ill start LST. Maybe sooner depending on how they react.

Yes, i do have quite a few holes in the buckets for drainage. Towels absorb it all.

Thank you very much for the input man! Much Appreciated! :rasta:

Smokemypiece: Today is my watering day, so im going to transplant them and water after. Thanks for the advice there, good fortune that theyre very dry today! :thumbsup: Ive been doing a lot of research into LST and im definitely going to start it on all 6 of em after they recover from the stress of the transfer. Thanks for the input dude, you and stomper really helped me out here. :jointsmile:

MadSativa: The more I see people top their plants the more uneasy I get about it. Just the idea of cutting a plant up scares me haha. Is it really worth it?

Thank you very much everyone!! :D

GG

[Stomper420]

Im glad to help. Im nooopro but I do have 1 hell os a green thumb. Every plant of any nature does good if not great so I have fallen in love with growing. The price of thisshit is what slows me down, but yea gotta start some where:wtf:

I LST every day, as one would do with a scrog. The reason I dont do A scrog is I like to rotate my plants and pull them out to mess with. You cant do that with a screen in place so I did like what I did. Check it out on my log. Look close and you will see that I used hanger chain around my pots so I have unlimited tie down spots. Works great.

remind me and I can get a close up for yea if you like.

Just remember 1 thing....Its a weed,.itll grow through just about anything so dont over think it. Youll learn as you go and ever batch will get better

Slowly tie um down, every day a lil more and youll be surprised as to what happends? itll grow through just about anything so dont over think it. Youll learn as you go and ever batch will get better.



Be good dog Ill be back:thumbsup:

[GreenGopher]

Transplanted all 6 girls into 5 gallon pots yesterday. They were DEFINITELY root bound, the roots were piled up at the bottom of the 2.5 gallon buckets so they should be thrilled to get into their new space. It has been almost 24 hours since they were transplanted and they seem pretty recovered. Two of them were significantly stressed after the transplant, but this morning they looked nice and healthy.

Still considering if I should do LST less than 24 hours after transplant, I definitely want to start! What do you guys think?

Depending on input Im probably going to start LST today, as of now...planning it for today.

Oh, I also raised my fan so it was as tall as my girls are. Thanks guys!!
Here are the pics...LMK what you think!

GG

[MadSativa]

MadSativa: The more I see people top their plants the more uneasy I get about it. Just the idea of cutting a plant up scares me haha. Is it really worth it?

GG

you will get more bud, toping is a practice, where you top the main branch or steam, and this forces the 2 internodes to branch off as well, what this means is when you flower, you will not have just one cola but 2 or 3 or 20. a little trick alot of people do is top at the 5th or 6th inter node, and you will get 4 massive colas instead of just one. this and good cannopee managment is what will yeild more buds. lolly popping when their ready to flower will also help, choping and pruning is all part of growing, if its your first time, then try with just one at the 5th or 6th node, let them veg for at least another week to get those new branches a time to set in (grow out, you want those new branches to be out at least 2 inches from when you toped) then flower them, I bet the topped one gets more than the non toped. even with the week or week and a half stunded growth.

toping is just taking the new groth off so no choping at the main branch, doin this stunts for like a week and a half minimum, dont wana waste time on waiting when it could b growing or flowering.

[SmokeMyPiece]

If you do start today, id say go light. And For the ones that took the transplant a little hard, try to wait till tomorrow. But if they look to be recovered and have new growth, go for it.

I dont think youll get more bud by topping, just less branches with bigger buds. (ie. fewer branches with bigger buds, but equal to more branches with mid sized buds)

Lst and topping are relatively the same concept (promoting side growth), but lst will have a lot quicker of a recovery time.

[GreenGopher]

I LST'd my smallest headband which was about 13"...the rest of my non LST'd plants are about 18"-19". I am taking some pics so tell me how I'm doing or if I need to change anything.

Pics...

First three pics are of the LST i just did.

The last pic is of a leaf problem I might be having, any comments? Maybe just from the stress of the transplant?

[SmokeMyPiece]

Looks good my man :thumbsup:

The plant may pull that duct tape loose over some weeks. if you drill a bunch of screws around the pot, you could tie branches to em and theyll hold firm.

curling leaf edges is usually from heat stress. How hot is it in there?

[GreenGopher]

It's definitely not heat stress. Most of the time it's between 65-75 degrees, tops at 80 or 85. It's so cal in december so it's prime weather IMO.

Im not sure what the cause of the curling is....:(

[SmokeMyPiece]

Hmm, not sure then.. maybe someone else will chime in about it :jointsmile:

doesnt look to be effecting too much of her. keep an eye on it for now, see if it spreads.

[MadSativa]

oooo space is that much of a factor? ususaly lst starts closer to when your gonna flower, I have seen this before though, but the foilage so close to the soil invites pests and fungus. if this is nessesary, some sand on top of the soil might keep all that away.


toping is just taking the new groth off so no choping at the main branch, doin this stunts for like a week and a half minimum, dont wana waste time on waiting when it could b growing or flowering.

I meant a week and a half maximum, topping if done right wont stunt growth at all. Or very little less than a day.

[GreenGopher]

oooo space is that much of a factor? ususaly lst starts closer to when your gonna flower, I have seen this before though, but the foilage so close to the soil invites pests and fungus. if this is nessesary, some sand on top of the soil might keep all that away.

Space? I have a decent amount of leftover space...not a huge deal since Im not going more than 6 plants. What do you mean by that?

Im switching to flowering in about 1 1/2 - 2 weeks...so I felt like this would be a good time to start LST and filling out the pot. Am i wrong?

[GreenGopher]

If I used a CFL setup for veg would it reduce stretching? Ive been comparing my plants to Stomper's grow of LA Conf and his are much bushier with a CFL setup. Maybe I should top them?

Oh and considering the flowering could double or triple these babies in size, should I consider flowering sooner than 2 weeks?

[GreenGopher]

Hey guys, today I LST'd all of my girls and I'm pretty happy with the results so far. Makes the canopy MUCH easier to manage, and I can easily see some huge buds coming out of it.

Im still having that leaf problem Im not sure what the cause is, maybe the light is too close? Light stress possibly? My theory is still that it is from the stress of the transplant.

I'll have pics coming up in my next post, my camera is charging.

[GreenGopher]

Ok heres all my pics of LST. I used duct tape and fishing line. Light is about 8 or 9 inches away from canopy. LMK how Im doing! Thanks guys!

GG :jointsmile:

[Stomper420]

Looks good, can you drill holes in the lip of the pots and tie your string to that?

I dont think the tape will stay very long abd the plant will pop right back up.

The leaf curl is heat or light stress, raise your lights and see if it goes away.

[GreenGopher]

Looks good, can you drill holes in the lip of the pots and tie your string to that?

I dont think the tape will stay very long abd the plant will pop right back up.

The leaf curl is heat or light stress, raise your lights and see if it goes away.

If the duct tape does come loose that is exactly what Im going to do. I didnt want to take the time to do it today cuz the LST setup took me long enough. If I have to I will though! :thumbsup:

Ya it's definitely not heat stress...temps between 65-85. I figure that it's light stress. Ill move the light away and see what happens. Thanks again for the input dude! :D

GG

[SmokeMyPiece]

Nice bondage! they love bein tied up.:thumbsup:
Most ppl lst thru the whole veg stage.. only needs 3-4 nodes to be safe for starting lst. Its when you're a week from flower that you want to stop stressing her out.

BUT, as long as you're veg'ing, just give 5 days to a week from your last lst before flipping.
Then when the side branching starts taking off, start lst again since they will want to triple in size.

I use 4 26W CFLs for veg and they get pretty big.

[canniwhatsis]

Ok heres all my pics of LST. I used duct tape and fishing line. Light is about 8 or 9 inches away from canopy. LMK how Im doing! Thanks guys!

GG :jointsmile:

The duct tape can come loose, but most importantly the fishing line can and will cut into your stems! I use cotton Yarn for LST, tho any other kind of light weight rope like nylon shoelace or something would be fine.


As for the stress, HPS isn't a vege light for MMJ. Try putting a Metal Halide over them, it'll work better for vege. ;) Then switch back to the HPS for flowering.

If that doesn't help,.... well I'm out of ideas that haven't already been thrown out there :(



As for the bondage and flipping the lights to 12/12, I LST my girls and start them spiraling around the pot, (Typically I get a "U" shape out of the main stem) I try to train the branches "Out" of the middle. Then when I go to flower EVERYTHING gets trained down even lower under a Screen! (I'll drop the canopy about 3-4") Then it's training the stretch from day 1 flower under the screen for SCROG style grow.

Once the stretch is over and I start getting bud formation I let the cola's go UP! :rastasmoke:

So far every strain that I've tried this with has loved me for it.

The only exception was my Grand Daddy Purple,... which was a hermi from the get go, so I don't think any of the training had anything to do with it. :mad:

[GreenGopher]

Nice bondage! they love bein tied up.:thumbsup:
Most ppl lst thru the whole veg stage.. only needs 3-4 nodes to be safe for starting lst. Its when you're a week from flower that you want to stop stressing her out.

BUT, as long as you're veg'ing, just give 5 days to a week from your last lst before flipping.
Then when the side branching starts taking off, start lst again since they will want to triple in size.

I use 4 26W CFLs for veg and they get pretty big.

Ya, my next grow im going to start lst MUCH earlier. I'll make sure to give them ample time to rest before I flip to flowering.

Im also considering using just CFL's for my veg stage next grow, still have to ponder it. Not that im unhappy with HPS in veg, just pondering if I should try something differently or not. Thanks for the comment! Much appreciated sir! :D

GG:jointsmile:

[Stomper420]

I didnt veg the La under CFLs I did it under my 400MH. The ones under the cfls are white widow from seed. I got the clone La and it was already a teen about 12 inches tall, nice and bushy already:thumbsup: about a week and watch um go.

Id leave your girls the way they are,flip the lights imn about a week and youll be fine;)

Get some mylar though as Im sure you dont wanna paint the walls in there:wtf: That fire . blankets you metion is better then the plain wood:rastasmoke:

[MadSativa]

looks good, cant wait to see more

[GreenGopher]

Today there was a huge leak in my garage right next to my sauna...it got water on my ballast and the circuit break i use to connect some things. It was still running when I noticed the leak and didnt seem to be affected, but just in case I turned everything off besides the fans (I added another fan from my drying room in) which are hooked up to a higher/dry plug. Put the ballast and circuit breaker inside the sauna and hoping the fans will dry it quickly.

Ill update...

[GreenGopher]

So I woke up to go into my garage and check on my girls today and I heard a loud sound of pouring water. I looked right next to my sauna and there was a huge leak coming from my garage ceiling right next to my ballast and circuit breaker. They both got pretty wet, but they didnt stop running at any point. Just to be safe I turned off the breaker and ballast, and took my fan from my drying room into the sauna and focused it directly on the breaker and ballast. Let that run for about an hour and they were totally dry, I started running it again and there hasnt been a problem. Disaster averted. :)

I also bought some garden yarn to tie down my girls, I took out all of the fishing line and replaced it with the yarn. Theyre much happier now Im sure! Thanks for that advice canniwhatsis!!! :thumbsup:

It's been a crazy day...I almost pooped my pants when I saw my ballast with water all over it. :wtf: haha

Heres pics of some of the mess...first one is my ballast getting dried by my fan, and the other is the circuit breaker doing the same.

[GreenGopher]

Oh ya, and because of the leak and all they lost about an hour of light today. Is that going to be a big deal? Any possible setbacks? :(

Here's some pics of my girls today after i replace the fishing line with yarn. Theyre really starting to grow up towards the light really well, looking awesome! :jointsmile:

GG :rastasmoke:

[Stomper420]

Your gonna end up with bushes:thumbsup:

My L.A. is doing wonderful things. I cloned her and she didnt skipa beat.

Leave um alone for awhile and see which way they wanna go..

Lots of water now too. They like that.

Hey, wanna see mine:stoned:

[GreenGopher]

Your gonna end up with bushes:thumbsup:

My L.A. is doing wonderful things. I cloned her and she didnt skipa beat.

Leave um alone for awhile and see which way they wanna go..

Lots of water now too. They like that.

Hey, wanna see mine:stoned:

Sweet! Im just gonna let them be for a while and watch em skyrocket! Today was their water (no nutes) day and i gave them quite a bit extra to spur them on! Weather is getting dry again so even if I gave them too much CA weather will dry it up! Gotta love it! :)

What you mean see yours? I checked out your grow log and youre doing awesome dude! :jointsmile: Ill comment on it sometime (instead of lurking :thumbsup:), always nice to have people replying. :)

GG:pimp:

[Stomper420]

no, iwas gonna take some close ups of the La con for yea....I lov her

[GreenGopher]

no, iwas gonna take some close ups of the La con for yea....I lov her

Ya thatd be sick Id like to check that out. Are you doing LST on her?

[Stomper420]

Yea, Ive fimmed, lst and molested her:D She loves it. I just adore the way she looks. She is starting preflower as we speak. Heres some shots of her alone:thumbsup:

Notice the size of her stalk, very much larger the my others. Because of the thickness of her branchs I wasnt able to lst this as much. Didnt want to stress her out.
Oh, where in Cali you at abouts? Im in sac:jointsmile:
Enjoy brodder......:thumbsup:

[steezyd]

Just wanted to comment on your leaf curl because I had/have the exact same thing. My temps were perfect but my 1k was too close and the light was just to much for them, problem for me was I couldn't raise my lights(at roof)...so i lowered my plants instead...it helped for the most part, but I had the curl for so long some didn't go back. I got it late in flowering but if you had to have it, veg would probably be the best time I imagine.

Did it go away for you when you raised the lights?or are the leafs that were curled still curled? how is the new growth? regular or curled?

I enjoy following a LST grow.

[GreenGopher]

Just wanted to comment on your leaf curl because I had/have the exact same thing. My temps were perfect but my 1k was too close and the light was just to much for them, problem for me was I couldn't raise my lights(at roof)...so i lowered my plants instead...it helped for the most part, but I had the curl for so long some didn't go back. I got it late in flowering but if you had to have it, veg would probably be the best time I imagine.

Did it go away for you when you raised the lights?or are the leafs that were curled still curled? how is the new growth? regular or curled?

I enjoy following a LST grow.

Most of the leaves that were curled have gone back to normal, probably about three or four that are still a bit curled, but nothing severe. It's better than it used to be, and I moved my light farther away a couple days ago.

The new growth is coming in pretty healthy and green, no problems. Considering it was probably light stress like you said, it should be fine from here on out...Until it grows more of course.

Thanks for posting dude! :jointsmile: Im baked while posting this so if i didnt make any sense i apologize. :stoned:

GG :rastasmoke:

[GreenGopher]

Yea, Ive fimmed, lst and molested her:D She loves it. I just adore the way she looks. She is starting preflower as we speak. Heres some shots of her alone:thumbsup:

Notice the size of her stalk, very much larger the my others. Because of the thickness of her branchs I wasnt able to lst this as much. Didnt want to stress her out.
Oh, where in Cali you at abouts? Im in sac:jointsmile:
Enjoy brodder......:thumbsup:

Lookin good there man. She's a beauty. Way bushier than any of my LA conf's. I'm hoping they'll fill out more in about a week maybe a week and a half cuz that's when im going to switch to flower. Im willing to wait to get her to optimal size for flowering tho! :D

Just wondering when I should shift to flowering tho. Cuz I've never done LST before so are they really going to fill out once i switch em to flower? Ive read about double to triple in size once you switch, so i figure theyll be good in about a week? What do you guys think? :stoned:

GG:rasta:

[GreenGopher]

Hey everyone, my plants are looking pretty bushy and five of them have definitely recovered well from the stress and are growing fast! My biggest grower is the one in the back row on the far right, she has shot up and im looking forward to some fat colas on her. :stoned:

I do have one issue tho that I'm concerned about, and thats my front row middle girl...I believe I bent her a bit too far. Not sure what to do, or even if i did so i have a pic. You guys tell me what you think. I cut one of the lines for LST to relieve pressure on that point where it bent and hopefully it will recover.

The possibly bent one is the first pic...the rest are just pics of the rest of my beauties! :jointsmile:

GG:pimp:

[GreenGopher]

Just more pics...oh ya, I watered them today...Grow big and Big bloom. Seem to be loving it!

Also, in my schedule i had this thursday marked as the day i switch to flowering...cuz thats exactly a month of veg. Im wondering if i should possibly give it some more time? Maybe another week? What do you guys think?

Thanks everyone!

GG:smokin:

[tikiroom]

That bent stem will be just fine. :jointsmile:
What you basically did was supercropped that stem. It will develop a knot at the bend, and some say it will be stronger too.

[GreenGopher]

That bent stem will be just fine. :jointsmile:
What you basically did was supercropped that stem. It will develop a knot at the bend, and some say it will be stronger too.

Awesome good to know. Glad I didnt mess up one of my girls! :D Thanks for the help man! :thumbsup:

GG:stoned:

[MadSativa]

Space? I have a decent amount of leftover space...not a huge deal since Im not going more than 6 plants. What do you mean by that?

Im switching to flowering in about 1 1/2 - 2 weeks...so I felt like this would be a good time to start LST and filling out the pot. Am i wrong?

most people LST for space issues, making the plant more horizontal and not verticle. if your looking to grow bushes, this is not the way, to make bushes you need to top.

but I like what your doing, gonna be nice to see.

most people that grow in the space you have either top and make bushes or grow plants strait verticle with one main steam and one main cola. Not too sure what your trying to do.

looks realy artistic though like a collage in work or like cannabis vines. perty cool, cant wait to see buds.

[GreenGopher]

Oh ok gotchya. Nah I have some space, but Im LST'ing to increase my yield. Giving the sides of the plants more light. Not sure what im expecting yield wise, but im just trying to top my first grow (2 ounces :() lol but hey i figure if you get any yield your first try it's not bad. :thumbsup:

[Stomper420]

Youll do just fine G. That bend will mend and be alright. These things take alot of shit with out skippin=g a beat. How else is one to learn without triing? I did alot of things that I shouldnt have but thats how people learn. Later on, youll look back and laugh at this so just do what you think is right and smoke a joint:thumbsup: Theyll do great, just watch:wtf:

Oh, and yea...If you can, wait a lil before switching the lights. You have the room so why not let them go even longer:D Youll be happier I think....

[MadSativa]

Oh ok gotchya. Nah I have some space, but Im LST'ing to increase my yield. Giving the sides of the plants more light. Not sure what im expecting yield wise, but im just trying to top my first grow (2 ounces :() lol but hey i figure if you get any yield your first try it's not bad. :thumbsup:

I see; the style of growing your going for requires topping, becaseu right now you only have one main steam, theri are no sides of the plant you have just one stalk or one main cola, the side branching are on that one cola. To do a LST in a scrog setting or much like tomatoe vines with an even cannope, you need to top , this makes more branching to give you those extra budding sites, and give you more yeilds. one cola will be bigger in the end but more colas will be smaller and give you more yeilds, not to mention when you grow one main cola most underneith may look nice, but they did not get the same light the colas did so your product goes down a little, more so with tall plants where the buds at the bottom have lost light intensity. With a scrog setting you have the entire cannoppe even so the light distributes evenly over the cannopee giveing every bud equal light and giving you a more premium and optimal harvest.

hope this helps, either way you got some healthy plants and your gonna like what comes out.

[GreenGopher]

Hey guys, havent updated for a while been crazy during the holidays. TAO!!! (wonder if anyone knows what that is?) Anyways, my girls are looking amazing. Theyre total bushes and have some huge stems coming off the side growth.

My one question that Ive been asking myself is...should I switch them to flower as they are now (youll see in pics). Or, should I LST them some more and the give them a couple days to recover from the stress and then switch to flower? What do you guys think?

Oh ya, and I added mylar to my door. I have some more that I havent put up yet, it's gonna go up soon.

Heres the pics...

[GreenGopher]

more pics...

[GreenGopher]

So I decided that I was going to LST them some more, which I did...and add the rest of the mylar. Then Ill probably give them 2-4 days to recover and gain some new growth before I switch to flowering. So ETA to flowering is between the fourth and the sixth. I'll decide exactly depending on how they recover!

Man, there were so many branches to LST it was so much fun! I tried to make the canopy as even as possible. I think I did a pretty good job. LMK what you guys think! :jointsmile:

GG:thumbsup:

Pics of the LST and mylar addition

[MadSativa]

Sweet

[GreenGopher]

Sweet

:thumbsup:

[GreenGopher]

Hey everyone, my girls are still recovering a bit from the LST but they are looking really nice. A lot of huge branches, sometimes I have to dig through the leaves to find which one is the main stem. :wtf: haha :jointsmile:

Having some more problems with leaf edges curling. It's only on one of my plants. It went away for about 2 weeks, but now it's back. Moved my light up about half a foot maybe a bit more, Im assuming it's light stress again. Just wanted to see what you guys think.

Other than that they seem to be loving life. Might flip to flowering tomorrow! :thumbsup:

GG:stoned:

[GreenGopher]

Hey guys, just got back from switching my timer to 12/12 and starting flowering! :thumbsup: Plants are looking great and today I just decided to flip the switch. Im really excited to see these babies bud! :jointsmile:

So in total I gave them 33 days to veg, and now may the flowering begin!

I'll have pics once they start budding. Grow strong! :stoned:

GG:pimp:

[energyefficient]

so glad i stopped in to check your grow out.

I am also on my 2nd grow and I also have headbands. One of mine is curling just like yours! It seems that my conditions are also not heat or light related as its cold, and Im using a 105w cfl.

You might see if less water helps. The bible says that issue could be the plants attempting to transpire all the time.

Mine have been dry, and seemingly well cared for and I also have curl!? Might be a genetic thing....

good luck to us both!
:rastasmoke:

[GreenGopher]

so glad i stopped in to check your grow out.

I am also on my 2nd grow and I also have headbands. One of mine is curling just like yours! It seems that my conditions are also not heat or light related as its cold, and Im using a 105w cfl.

You might see if less water helps. The bible says that issue could be the plants attempting to transpire all the time.

Mine have been dry, and seemingly well cared for and I also have curl!? Might be a genetic thing....

good luck to us both!
:rastasmoke:

Well only one of my headbands is curling...all the other plants aren't affected by it. Which is why I have no clue what it is. I moved the light about half a foot away a couple days ago and no changes. Im stumped...was hoping for some advice from more experienced grower, but havent' solved this one yet. :(

I'll try laying off the water on that one and see how it goes.

Thanks for stopping by! :thumbsup: Good luck!

GG:jointsmile:

[steezyd]

good stuff g, you must of had a crazy good time at Together as one...its been a minute since Ive been to something in that world...

[GreenGopher]

good stuff g, you must of had a crazy good time at Together as one...its been a minute since Ive been to something in that world...

Ya man, TAO was INSANE! Major Lazer blew my mind haha.

Thanks for stopping by! :thumbsup:

GG:jointsmile:

[Stomper420]

Kewl, youll now see how fast things can change. Fricken amazing. FLOWER POWER:hippy:

Have fun:thumbsup:

[GreenGopher]

Kewl, youll now see how fast things can change. Fricken amazing. FLOWER POWER:hippy:

Have fun:thumbsup:

Flowering time is so much fun! :hippy: haha have your girls gone into flower yet?

GG:stoned:

[Stomper420]

:thumbsup:Oh hell yea!! Like 4 weeks in, check it out:thumbsup:

[energyefficient]

Well only one of my headbands is curling...all the other plants aren't affected by it. Which is why I have no clue what it is. I moved the light about half a foot away a couple days ago and no changes. Im stumped...was hoping for some advice from more experienced grower, but havent' solved this one yet. :(

I'll try laying off the water on that one and see how it goes.

Thanks for stopping by! :thumbsup: Good luck!

GG:jointsmile:

thats the thing with me too! only one of my 4 is curling!?! i know about a half dozen growers I have talked with in person and they all are stumped.

positive vibes :pimp:

[GreenGopher]

:thumbsup:Oh hell yea!! Like 4 weeks in, check it out:thumbsup:

I dont see any shots of flowers or anything?! Im pretty stoned tho...haha :stoned:

[Stomper420]

I dont see any shots of flowers or anything?! Im pretty stoned tho...haha :stoned:

I meant my log goofy, I can bring some pics here but I hate to Hijack youre thread and get charged with cannabis terrorism:stoned::D

[GreenGopher]

hey dude i found those pics once i was a little less baked haha. lookin good man, im curious as to which one is the la conf? Anyways, awesome job so far! :thumbsup:

GG:jointsmile:

[GreenGopher]

Hey everyone, it's day 4 of flowering and still no significant signs of flowers coming in yet. Still too early...but im so impatient! :D

Just wanted to take some pics and show you guys what theyre looking like going into flowering. Here ya go!

GG:pimp:

[GreenGopher]

Hey everyone, it's day 10 of flower and all my girls are looking strong. A few blemishes here and there mostly from the oscilating fan, but fixed that with rotation. There are definitely some signs of flowers coming in. A lot of big branches that I cant wait to fill out with flowers! I also watered with a full dose of Big Bloom yesterday. :thumbsup:

Here are pics...LMK what you guys think! :jointsmile:

GG:hippy:

[GreenGopher]

Hey guys, my girls are now two weeks into flowering and you can clearly see the flowers now. This was probably my favorite photo sesh so far haha. They look so good! :thumbsup:

Oh ya...just picked up some LA Conf from a local dispensary and it's uber dank! Just a sidenote...haha :jointsmile:

Heres the pics...

GG :)

[GreenGopher]

Hey dudes...just updating all of ya. My plants have been doing very well...recently humidity has gotten very low. So ive put a damp washcloth on my fan for the past 3 days and ive gotten humidity from around 10% to 25%. Just did it again hoping to get it in the 30s.

Anyways, theyre doing fine regardless. Just took pics...

GG :jointsmile:

[Stomper420]

Green, Ill get yea some pics later. I need batts. Remind me and Ill take some nice pics with close ups for yea:thumbsup: The reveg I did of her is taking off too. Took some time but here she goes...Crazy stuff. She was no bigger the a quater dollar and after waiting weeks shes taking off:wtf: I piched her top bud off and blam...She loved it. Ill show yea that too. its great

Girls look awsome dude, keep at it:thumbsup:

[Stomper420]

Here Green, this is what you can look foward too.... Even better as I flipped my lights to early.

Consider your self terrorized:D

[GreenGopher]

Here Green, this is what you can look foward too.... Even better as I flipped my lights to early.

Consider your self terrorized:D

Woooo if that's what I have to look forward to I'm gonna be happy with the results! haha :thumbsup: Nice job dude, what week flower are they? I read online that the LA conf flowering time is around 46-56 days? Anyways, good job dude. Nice growing. :D

Gonna post pics of mine tomorrow. Theyre looking very hairy. About a month in at this point so they still have plenty of time. Going strong tho!

GG :hippy:

[Stomper420]

About 6 I think:wtf: I forget alot of stuff these days:stoned: I took a sample bud last night so its driing now. Ill let yea know how it is pulled early:D

[GreenGopher]

Hey guys, havent posted in a while. School has started and I got a full load of classes. Accounting can suck it...anyways. My girls are doing very very well. Looking a little thirsty, so I think Im gonna water tomorrow. Really happy with everything so far! :thumbsup:

GG:stoned:

[energyefficient]

looks like they are doing great, seems that curling problem is a thing of the past as well.

[Stomper420]

Green, the LA con is off the hook dude. Youll love it:thumbsup:

Grow on Green:rasta:

[rattlingdags]

I've just finished reading all your log from the beginning and your girls are looking lovely. You've really done well by them.
Can I ask what sort of height they are? Its hard to get perspective in a photo. I'm looking for ideas of something for the future.

[GreenGopher]

looks like they are doing great, seems that curling problem is a thing of the past as well.

Ya it seemed like they just got used to the light eventually or something and no more problems. Maybe genetic like i believe you suggested, or a random phase...who knows. :thumbsup:

GG :stoned:

[GreenGopher]

Green, the LA con is off the hook dude. Youll love it:thumbsup:

Grow on Green:rasta:

Im already loving it and I havent even smoked it yet! Haha it looks so dank right now. Got updates coming real soon!

GG:jointsmile:

[GreenGopher]

I've just finished reading all your log from the beginning and your girls are looking lovely. You've really done well by them.
Can I ask what sort of height they are? Its hard to get perspective in a photo. I'm looking for ideas of something for the future.

Thanks for taking such an interest! :thumbsup: Currently my tallest girl is 2 1/2 feet tall from soil to top node. Even with all the tying down I did these girls maxed out my space.

If you have any other questions feel free to asked Ill make sure to get back to ya! :jointsmile:

GG :pimp:

[GreenGopher]

Hey guys, did a lot of work on the girls today.

I rotated all of em just to change up the light angles and everything. Trying to get more light to more buds and maximize what I have.

I also clipped off all the dead leaves on the plants. Most were brittle enough to just fall off, not worried about it pretty normal at this point.

I added about 2 inches of dirt to all the pots too. Had a bit left over figured they could use a bit of extra nutes and fresh dirt.

They went a while without water cuz I was gone at school for a few days and my rotation was off by about 2 days...but I watered today with a full dose of big bloom and also grow big according to the FF feeding schedule. They seem to be loving it already, they were looking pretty droopy before I took these pics and theyre perking up very fast already! :thumbsup:

First pic is definitely my fave! :) All the buds look like that. :stoned:

GG :rastasmoke:

[rattlingdags]

They look like they're loving life there. At that height and allowing for any extra growth I think we could fit a couple in our space with a bit of training.
Was your first grow also the same LA's?

[GreenGopher]

They look like they're loving life there. At that height and allowing for any extra growth I think we could fit a couple in our space with a bit of training.
Was your first grow also the same LA's?

Ya they definitely seem to be digging it. :thumbsup: Hope the info helped.

Nah, my first grow was a mix of different strains. My first grow was a total mess tho haha. I only got 2 ounces of mediocre bud. It was my learning grow, and now im doing it the right way. :D

Updates tomorrow! :thumbsup:

GG:smokin:

[GreenGopher]

Hey guys, all the girls are going strong. Looking awesome, this is my last day to update before i go to school for the week so i thought id post some pics and info.

The bud is getting sooo frosty! Had to tie up a couple of the buds so they stopped falling down. Only 2 or 3.

GG:jointsmile:

[Stomper420]

Green, start hitting um with mollases. The shit makes buds swell up and hella crystaly:thumbsup:

Mine turned purple:D I love it:rasta:

Peace out brodder and keep up the great work, I can smell um from here:rastasmoke:

[energyefficient]

of your latest pics which are headbands, and which are the LA? looks beautiful! :rastasmoke:

[GreenGopher]

of your latest pics which are headbands, and which are the LA? looks beautiful! :rastasmoke:

Gah I have rotated them and all that so many times its hard to remember. i try not to move them as to avoid any stems breaking or bending. As a whole the bigger ones are generally LA Conf. :thumbsup:

GG :stoned:

[GreenGopher]

Green, start hitting um with mollases. The shit makes buds swell up and hella crystaly:thumbsup:

Mine turned purple:D I love it:rasta:

Peace out brodder and keep up the great work, I can smell um from here:rastasmoke:

Ive never used molasses...how does it work?

GG:pimp:

[GreenGopher]

Hey guys, all the girls are about 6 1/2 weeks in and they look awesome. In an attempt to utilize the light as efficiently as possible ive been tying them all together trying to make a more even and centered canopy. Thats what all the rubbery green stuff is for.

I watered them all today as well. Beginning the flush for the last couple weeks. Nothing but straight water from here on out!

My plan is to be done on March 2nd...but I might give them more time depending on how I feel about it.

Enjoy the pics! :thumbsup:

GG:jointsmile:

[Stomper420]

Green, do you have a mag lens? I use one to tell when they are done. When the crystals or what ever the tech term is, when they are all cloudy is the best time in my mind to pull other wise it gets to loady for me and I cant even get off the couch. You might like that as alot do. Just keep an eye on um for amber trichs is what I think there called. Cloudy is a good energy boost, amber is more couch lock. Just in case you didnt know:thumbsup:

Looks awsome, cant wait for the finnish:D

[Stomper420]

Oh, Green. Are your leaves on the La hella thick? Mine are, to the piont I didnt cut alot of thenm and just left them on the bud to smoke:thumbsup:

Take care.

[GreenGopher]

Green, do you have a mag lens? I use one to tell when they are done. When the crystals or what ever the tech term is, when they are all cloudy is the best time in my mind to pull other wise it gets to loady for me and I cant even get off the couch. You might like that as alot do. Just keep an eye on um for amber trichs is what I think there called. Cloudy is a good energy boost, amber is more couch lock. Just in case you didnt know:thumbsup:

Looks awsome, cant wait for the finnish:D

Oh, Green. Are your leaves on the La hella thick? Mine are, to the piont I didnt cut alot of thenm and just left them on the bud to smoke

Take care.


Yes sir I have a 30x loop. it's a little tough to tell, but when i sit there long enough and focus it's pretty clear, but I have 20/20 vision...if someone with poor vision used this theyd be screwed. This is the typically reccomended size, but i'd suggest higher mag. :jointsmile:

I know all the amber and cloudy trichomes and stuff...had to for my first grow. thanks tho! I prefer my weed to be couch lock fo sho! :thumbsup:

The regular big leaves on the LA are pretty normal. All the leaves that are actually in the buds are pretty big and theres more than normal with a lot of trichomes on them. So if thats what you mean then yes! haha.

GG:rastasmoke:

[GreenGopher]

Hey everyone, I harvested yesterday Id say the trichomes were about 25-30% amber which looked great to me. Cut down all six of the girls and boy do they look great! Im hoping (my goal) my yield is going to be around 7-8 ounces. Guess we'll find out! I didnt weigh wet weight...figure whats the point? lol :thumbsup:

While they were in their room they were tied up so they wouldnt fall over...but once they were taken out they started leaning a lot.

heres the pics! :jointsmile:...first two are a headband, last two are LA Con...more coming.

GG:pimp:

[GreenGopher]

hey guys i didnt realize you can read the title of the pics now. At the end of the title it will say HB or LA then a number 1-3. Thats HB or LA and which one, so you guys know.

[GreenGopher]

these are the last two of my girls, and then the total yield hanging up to dry.

If you guys want better pics of the bud or yield lmk, i was lazy cuz while taking pics especially of yield cuz i just wanted to be done haha.

Thanks everyone! :thumbsup:

GG:jointsmile:

[rattlingdags]

Well done you made it!! They look yummy all hanging up in a row - hope you get a good load after all your work :)

[GreenGopher]

Hey guys, I know it's been forever since I posted on here but just to finish off my grow log I harvested about 3 1/2 ounces which I was pretty happy with! No more left for pictures or anything, but I have my new grow set up!

My new grow is 6 white widows all from seedlings and I also got a free OG Kush clone from a local dispensary because they hook it up for me. 3 of them are about 3 weeks in, and the other 3 are about 2 weeks in. They look great Ill be posting a new grow log soon.