Let the cloning begin

[gypski]

I'm getting ready to clone the ladies under the T5, and since I'm on a tight budget right at the moment, I found rootech cloning gel. 1/4 oz @ $4.99 on the Amazon Market Place, seller GROWaLot. Free shipping, and I got it in 3 days. Just what I need for the number of clones I plan to doing, and I will stand by this stuff. I've had 100% success using it in the past with rockwool round starter plugs. Just mentioning if anyone wants to try cloning inexpensively, check this stuff out. I first learned about it and bought it after reading a review about it in High Times in maybe 2001-02 Spring issue (memory thing). There are larger sizes too. Next time!!!! :D

[TANKJR]

I use Bontone rooting powder...$4.85 for about a 10 year supply (1.25 ozs.) bought at the local garden supply store...near 100% with this stuff only because the dog ate a couple...now his paws are showing signs of little white roots forming....so when do I send him into flower?????? LMAO! :jawdropper:

[bullyslayer]

i get near 100% with no hormones , just sticking them in peat pellets , have you guys tried side by side with/without these chems?? actually my hard to clone heriwanna is more like 75% so maybe i do need something for it . recommendations ?

[gypski]

i get near 100% with no hormones , just sticking them in peat pellets , have you guys tried side by side with/without these chems?? actually my hard to clone heriwanna is more like 75% so maybe i do need something for it . recommendations ?

I can say I've used both powder and gel together and have had success. I've used powder alone, and it has some chemicals that aren't for human consumption so...this time I'm using the gel alone. I came upon rootech when I was first growing indoors and tried cloning. I tried it, it worked, and I stick with things that work before I try new things. Its just my preference and they clone quickly IMO. Its one of many cloning gels. :smokin:

[bullyslayer]

i did try ROOTONE [sp] from LOWES many years ago in a side by side and it preformed worse than using nothing at all.Thanks for the tip on the gel.i'll give it a try and let you know how it turns out.

[Lynhal]

the dog ate a couple...now his paws are showing signs of little white roots forming....so when do I send him into flower?????? LMAO! :jawdropper:

I want a nug from that harvest, TJ! And name that strain: Dogs Breath :S2:

[budlover13]

i did try ROOTONE [sp] from LOWES many years ago in a side by side and it preformed worse than using nothing at all.Thanks for the tip on the gel.i'll give it a try and let you know how it turns out.

I used Rootone for my this, my first try at clones. @ 2 weeks I have about 70%success.

[gypski]

I just got finished doing mine. They are in round rockwool plugs. there are 8 of the girls, and they all had small growth areas I trimmed off the stem and coated with gel. I also split the stem down the middle where its going to be inside the plug. I got this technique from a cloning tutorial way back. These are clones of clones taken during flowering, and were taken from the lower most branches all approx 1/8 - 3/16 diam. :D

The donor's can be seen in a couple of threads under T5 lighting and impressed in one of the growing forums. :smokin:

[canniwhatsis]

Never tried the Roottech, I've had nearly 100% success with Clonex (failures have been my fault)

I tried "Juicy Roots" from AN, and had an 80% failure due to following the advice of the person that gave it to me. "Fill the hole in the rooter plug with this, scrape the side of the stem and stick em in there! Job done!" Yeah,.... Right,..... :mad:

I'm not blaming the compound, just the technique. I'll try it again, tho using my normal technique of dipping the cutting, and using a second hole made by a skewer off to the side of the main hole.


Quick Q about your clones there,... Do you have a dome for them? or is ambient humidity where you are enough?

[gypski]

Never tried the Roottech, I've had nearly 100% success with Clonex (failures have been my fault)

I tried "Juicy Roots" from AN, and had an 80% failure due to following the advice of the person that gave it to me. "Fill the hole in the rooter plug with this, scrape the side of the stem and stick em in there! Job done!" Yeah,.... Right,..... :mad:

I'm not blaming the compound, just the technique. I'll try it again, tho using my normal technique of dipping the cutting, and using a second hole made by a skewer off to the side of the main hole.


Quick Q about your clones there,... Do you have a dome for them? or is ambient humidity where you are enough?

I don't recall ever using a humidity dome. I use the round plugs because they are split in the middle and you can put the stem in without disturbing the gel. I also mist them once or twice a day, and I made a solution of 1 liter H2O, 1/2 tblsp Big Bloom, and 1/4 Grow Big. I didn't use a dome for the plants I took the clones from. I just place them where they get light and away from the heat. I keep the plugs wet but not soaked, and I pre-soak them, and squeeze out the excess water when I place the stem in. Its worked for me. :thumbsup:

[gypski]

Here is a photo of the main donor. She give up 5 of the clones. She has just lost the regrowth leaves and if it was spring, she'd be outdoors ready to produce a bonanza. Or IMO. I took the clones from the lower section, and there is another that I will take in a few days after these present ones root. :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

She looks like my Bonsai mums before they're haircut tonight! :D Now they look like twigs with a few leaves on them. ;)

[gypski]

She looks like my Bonsai mums before they're haircut tonight! :D Now they look like twigs with a few leaves on them. ;)

Yeah, she's a bit small, she's in a closet in an unheated part of the house with friends and their only heat is the T5. the temp in the unheated part is in the 30s-40s night, 40s day. She has developed well from where she started considering. I wanted to clarify my solution too, its two liters H2O, 1/2 tblsp Big bloom, 1/4 tsp Grow Big. Its what the others got that are going well now, and I do use regular water too. :thumbsup:

[gypski]

Just updating. Put all of them in cups. They are still hanging in there as there is still green, and small areas of node growth are evident. Its been two weeks so they should be showing signs of recovering in the next few days. Here is the last shot I took of them about a week ago. The large leaves have yellowed and sacrificed themselves for the good of the whole!!! Next time, I will do a control with some getting a dome for the first couple of days. And, I wouldn't call them really mature branches either, but lower sprouts on the stem. And the donors are producing even more!! :D

[canniwhatsis]

over 2 weeks and no roots? :wtf:


My personal record was "cutting/ Rooted" in 4 day's!!!! :eek: I about shit myself when I saw those roots! Now if I could just figure out what I did on that cutting!!!!

[gypski]

over 2 weeks and no roots? :wtf:


My personal record was "cutting/ Rooted" in 4 day's!!!! :eek: I about shit myself when I saw those roots! Now if I could just figure out what I did on that cutting!!!!

I didn't say they didn't have any roots, I know from past experience with rootech, one day you don't see any, and the next, they are showing through the rockwool. I have them in cups and have been there for four or five days, and they are showing signs of new growth. None of this strain has failed me yet. And a number of factors were involved since there were really small branches that used up the larger leaves to make it. Some are now reaching for the light with their leaves. Pics in a couple of days. Got other irons in the fire!!! :D

[gypski]

Here are three of mine after 17 days. As you can tell, I'm trying to clone bushes after they have taken. :cool: There are two shots of each clone,except the last one (five images max) and they are showing new growth!! Patience is the key!! :smokin:

[Farmer Rich]

I know this started out saying there was a limited budget.. but; I highly recommend a Clone Bucket (or similar). Mine has 18 sites and cost me $80.. Cuts generally take me 2 weeks at the very longest before rooted (tired old strain that's been cloned for years..) and as little as a week. I can tell you, clones using this method look one hell of a lot better than those living in rock wool, though the result is naked rooted clones. Good if you're going to a net pot or soilless mix, bad if you like using rock wool..

I also stick with Clonex gel and have 100% success.

My $0.02

Peace, Farmer Rich

[gypski]

I know this started out saying there was a limited budget.. but; I highly recommend a Clone Bucket (or similar). Mine has 18 sites and cost me $80.. Cuts generally take me 2 weeks at the very longest before rooted (tired old strain that's been cloned for years..) and as little as a week. I can tell you, clones using this method look one hell of a lot better than those living in rock wool, though the result is naked rooted clones. Good if you're going to a net pot or soilless mix, bad if you like using rock wool..

I also stick with Clonex gel and have 100% success.

My $0.02

Peace, Farmer Rich

I thought about making up one of those cloners. I'd have no problem making one. Right now, with the conditions as they are, the temp on the clones with the other plants isn't staying a consistent 70-75 degrees. The temps at night drop to 60 or so, so they are having a time of it. I could have rigged a dome for all of them, but I'm experimenting to see how they fight to live. :D Next batch, I'm going to have another light, and I will keep them under optimum conditions. The ones that these came were cloned under nearly the same conditions and are vibrant bushy little ladies just like these will turn out to be. :cool: If I was doing it for commercial, I'd be doing it a lot differently. right now, really just tinkering around!!! I appreciate your input. :thumbsup:

[gypski]

Yeah, ah huh, these babies, all eight of them are rooted and starting new growth from all the nodes, even where the original leave yellowed and sacrificed themselves for the good of the whole!!! :cool:

New photos once the new growth is really visible. I used my loop, and the new growth is a lush, normal green just millimeters in size. Lookin' good though. :D

[LetsSeeYa]

Yeah, ah huh, these babies, all eight of them are rooted and starting new growth from all the nodes, even where the original leave yellowed and sacrificed themselves for the good of the whole!!! :cool:

New photos once the new growth is really visible. I used my loop, and the new growth is a lush, normal green just millimeters in size. Lookin' good though. :D

Cool man, im a few days away from trying my cloner. Never really tried to clone but once, which is 3' now. I used the clonex powder i got really cheep at a local hardware. Il be watching man, i got real lucky i got my NL clone so this will help. I thought about some sort of medium so i just dont get a plant with roots>

Good luck man:rasta:

[gypski]

Cool man, im a few days away from trying my cloner. Never really tried to clone but once, which is 3' now. I used the clonex powder i got really cheep at a local hardware. Il be watching man, i got real lucky i got my NL clone so this will help. I thought about some sort of medium so i just dont get a plant with roots>

Good luck man:rasta:

I use the rockwool because I'm growing in pots with FFOF, and the last time I grew indoors, I grew in litter boxes and an orchid medium (bark, pebbles, etc). And the rockwool was great for that type of medium. I pre-soak the plugs with a dilute nute solution and then keep it wet. No dome, (RIpatient had a great idea, 2 liter bottle bottoms for domes). I got a few of them. Clear too. But I'm going to try four using the dome(s) soon but with everything else the same. :thumbsup:

[budlover13]

I like the square 1 gallon water bottles as domes. I can easily get 4 clones under each bottle. I've also used a disposable turkey roasting pan.

[gypski]

Christmas update. 100% success. I took three photos, two were blurry so I'll load one. I put them away after cleaning them up so, what you see is what you get!!! :D They are all going to do well though. Now that they have all rooted, and I look back, I may have had them too close to the light. I think 6" is too close with no dome. Next up, some with a dome when I get my T5 SB 24-4, and can put some others into flower with my SB 48-6. :D

Now I can track these two ladies progress too!! and we all can see how they do! :thumbsup:

[budlover13]

Congratulations! Nice Christmas present!

[gypski]

Congratulations! Nice Christmas present!

I got that mail. :thumbsup: Yeah, better then some coal!! :lol5: No new knee though. :stoned:

[LetsSeeYa]

I use the rockwool because I'm growing in pots with FFOF, and the last time I grew indoors, I grew in litter boxes and an orchid medium (bark, pebbles, etc). And the rockwool was great for that type of medium. I pre-soak the plugs with a dilute nute solution and then keep it wet. No dome, (RIpatient had a great idea, 2 liter bottle bottoms for domes). I got a few of them. Clear too. But I'm going to try four using the dome(s) soon but with everything else the same. :thumbsup:

Im a dirt dude myself gypski, i was just thinking about putting the cutting in rock wool cubes, then put them in my cloner holes. Then my clone's would be connected to the cube, which id just plant in soil. Just thought it would be easier to handle for me, i dont know why it wouldn't work, but iv never used a cloner before so not sure what i can do with it. Its only a 5 site cloner, but thought i could get more then one cut in each hole if i wanted to.

Id luv to see those after/when you flower them. BTW when are you planing to do that, veg time? They look like if you put them into flower now, you would get big colas. Iv seen people do a bunch that size, which grew out big nice colas. But nice yield for such short veg time. I think cutting up the middle of the stem would help and even speed up rooting:thumbsup:



Good luck on your next batch bro:rasta:

[gypski]

Im a dirt dude myself gypski, i was just thinking about putting the cutting in rock wool cubes, then put them in my cloner holes. Then my clone's would be connected to the cube, which id just plant in soil. Just thought it would be easier to handle for me, i dont know why it wouldn't work, but iv never used a cloner before so not sure what i can do with it. Its only a 5 site cloner, but thought i could get more then one cut in each hole if i wanted to.

Id luv to see those after/when you flower them. BTW when are you planing to do that, veg time? They look like if you put them into flower now, you would get big colas. Iv seen people do a bunch that size, which grew out big nice colas. But nice yield for such short veg time. I think cutting up the middle of the stem would help and even speed up rooting:thumbsup:



Good luck on your next batch bro:rasta:

The round rockwool plugs should fit your cloner. I'm planning on vegging them for at least a month once they have rooted fully in the cup and I put them into bigger pots. That way, I can take more clones or I may keep one I have as the donor. I split the stem on the clones too so it helps rooting. It was what I read from the tutorial I used in 2001. :thumbsup: I also only place the end half way in the plug so the roots can grow down. I don't bottom it. Gotta have room to move!!! :D

[LetsSeeYa]

The round rockwool plugs should fit your cloner. I'm planning on vegging them for at least a month once they have rooted fully in the cup and I put them into bigger pots. That way, I can take more clones or I may keep one I have as the donor. I split the stem on the clones too so it helps rooting. It was what I read from the tutorial I used in 2001. :thumbsup: I also only place the end half way in the plug so the roots can grow down. I don't bottom it. Gotta have room to move!!! :D


Great info for what i am planning on doing, thanks man. I had a thought you might veg for a month. Im working on getting my seedlings big enough to tell sex, then clone from. I have 3 strains growing, but still young and with the cold weather, they are not growing as fast as im used to. But just cant wait to see my purple in bud, so its killing me waiting.

The half way in the plug makes sense too man. Great thread as im close to trying to clone and have been reading tons, but picked up some great knowledge with this thread.

Thanks for that gypski, it will help and il do just as you did. I saw it work right in front of me, just will be using the cloner. Thing is after reading a thread like this, i question the purchase of the cloner. But i think once im more stealthy, it will come into play to make things more easy for me.


Thanks again bro:rasta:

[gypski]

Great info for what i am planning on doing, thanks man. I had a thought you might veg for a month. Im working on getting my seedlings big enough to tell sex, then clone from. I have 3 strains growing, but still young and with the cold weather, they are not growing as fast as im used to. But just cant wait to see my purple in bud, so its killing me waiting.

The half way in the plug makes sense too man. Great thread as im close to trying to clone and have been reading tons, but picked up some great knowledge with this thread.

Thanks for that gypski, it will help and il do just as you did. I saw it work right in front of me, just will be using the cloner. Thing is after reading a thread like this, i question the purchase of the cloner. But i think once im more stealthy, it will come into play to make things more easy for me.


Thanks again bro:rasta:

I think the object with the cloner is to keep the end of the stem area wet. So, if you use the plugs in the cloner, I'd put the stem all the way down. I find the way I do it, or even with a dome, and you've worked out the optimal conditions with temps, distance from direct light, etc, things will be 100%. Cloning without a cloner works just as well as with the cloner IMO. Patience, and don't be stingy with the cloning gel or cloning hormone. Good luck, and glad I've been helpful. :thumbsup:

[gypski]

A couple of that complete bunch that rooted. They are now 1 month old and now need to start growing with all their branching!!! :cool:

[canniwhatsis]

:wtf:

Seems like you've had some troubles, I'd expect much better results than that in a month!!!!! :hippy:


Pic 1: After 2.5 weeks under the dome this is what my G-13 looks like.....
Pic 2: This is a blueberry clone that was cut off of the mother plant on 12-19-10 so it's less than a month old since it was hacked off of its mom! :hippy: :jointsmile:

P.S. Forgive the droopy leaves on the blueberry in the 2nd pic,... it was lights off when I took the pick,.... she was sleeping!!!!!! :cool:

[canniwhatsis]

P.P.S

As for the G-13,... the three that are in the pic are the slackers, for as healthy as those plants are at this point, they are all getting destroyed so I can stay under my plant count. :( The healthy one (rooted like the one in the picture a week ago) is in my garden now, and already making these girls look like shit. ;)

And the blueberry,... well this one is an exception for sure! I've never seen this kind of growth in a clone. I half expect it to piss out when I try to flower it, but I'm certainly hoping for high yield.... I might log this one. :hippy: :D :jointsmile:

[gypski]

:wtf:

Seems like you've had some troubles, I'd expect much better results than that in a month!!!!! :hippy:


Pic 1: After 2.5 weeks under the dome this is what my G-13 looks like.....
Pic 2: This is a blueberry clone that was cut off of the mother plant on 12-19-10 so it's less than a month old since it was hacked off of its mom! :hippy: :jointsmile:

P.S. Forgive the droopy leaves on the blueberry in the 2nd pic,... it was lights off when I took the pick,.... she was sleeping!!!!!! :cool:

Considering the fact that they weren't under normal conditions where I could control the temps 24/7, they did good. That's my point...conditions don't have to be optimal. I know what they should and could do normally. I have seedlings that have grown more in that time. If I could do things the way I'd really like to do them, I'll blow some minds. :D

[canniwhatsis]

Good point,... there is a reason it's called WEED!!! :D These plants will thrive thru some serious ass kicking.

But I still have to recommend using proper cloning methods for best results.

[gypski]

Good point,... there is a reason it's called WEED!!! :D These plants will thrive thru some serious ass kicking.

But I still have to recommend using proper cloning methods for best results.

I agree. Now that I've had time to think back to 2001, I think I did use a dome for the clones I did. And, these clones are small early branches. I could have taken bigger branches like the mothers but I'm not geared for that at this stage of the game. If I could maintain a constant 70 degrees I know they'd all be doing much, much better. If I were to keep them vegging until spring, they would be some big babies by harvest time. I'm half-steppin' and goin' with the flow at this point. :D

[gypski]

Another of the first batch of clones. Imagine this lady as a mature productive medicine giver!!!! The stem nodes look bare in the photo, but they are bursting with new growth beginning. I can say one definitive thing, I'm finding out how this specific strain clones under less then optimal conditions. I've now raised them all on a small box to put them closer to the light. They are sharing!!! :D

[FreshStarts]

mycorrhizae, GREATWHITE. use that as a rooting clone powder. Clonex gel and clonex you will have super super strong roots quick too.

[gypski]

mycorrhizae, GREATWHITE. use that as a rooting clone powder. Clonex gel and clonex you will have super super strong roots quick too.

Maybe I will try that out next time with my rootech. As I remember :D, I used both powder and rootech the first time I cloned many moons ago. I can say the clones are looking better every day (photos soon) and they need their own space now since Im gonna need medicine and the mommas are waiting for the new bulbs so they can provide it. :cool:

[gypski]

the line up of the original 8 as of tonight. They get their own light tomorrow, unless they won't make the deal then I will get it online and have it in two days from Seattle. :D

[canniwhatsis]

Nice! :rastasmoke:

[gypski]

Well the kids got their own light, but I think I'm gonna need to get the 4 lamp. I'll use this one for a week and see how things go!!! :D

[gypski]

The set up in their new home. I guess the light will do for now since they really powered on!!! :D They will graduate to a larger pots in the next few days, and they will still all fit in the tupperware tub. :cool:

[gypski]

They be lovin' it under their own light. :D Starting to harden nicely, and they will be some nice ladies fer sure!! :cool:

second set lookin' good!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D You can do it Emmie, its no sweat!!! :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Lookin good! :pimp:


I just picked up some samples from the hydro store,.... Advanced Nutrients has some rooter plugs that are supposed to be "Plug and play" No gel or additive needed? :wtf:

So I'm gonna cut some clones tonight and do it the same way I've been working it with 99% success, and I'll try some side by side with the AN plugs. :hippy:


I was gonna start a new thread,.... but if it's ok with you I could post my results here just as easy and save server space on the site.



Wish me luck! :rastasmoke:

[gypski]

Lookin good! :pimp:


I just picked up some samples from the hydro store,.... Advanced Nutrients has some rooter plugs that are supposed to be "Plug and play" No gel or additive needed? :wtf:

So I'm gonna cut some clones tonight and do it the same way I've been working it with 99% success, and I'll try some side by side with the AN plugs. :hippy:


I was gonna start a new thread,.... but if it's ok with you I could post my results here just as easy and save server space on the site.



Wish me luck! :rastasmoke:

I have no problem sharing the thread. Its good for comparison, not competition. :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

I have no problem sharing the thread. Its good for comparison, not competition. :thumbsup:

Cool man.


I didn't take pics while I was cutting from my motherplant,.... but I used my normal method of...

Cut with pruning scissors and place in PH'd water until ready for the rest of the job.
Trim fans and scrape stem lightly with edge of razor.
Lay in puddle of clonex to do 2nd cut at 45* angle.
Skewer a 2nd hole in the rappid rooter plug since the factory hole is too big.
Stuff cutting in skewer hole.
Place in humidity dome under 24-0 T-5 lighting on a heat mat


I did a total of 6 cuttings, 2 of which were done exactly like that, 2 were done using "MX Cloning Solution" from Hydroponix,.... some upstart nute company that dropped some samples off with the hydro store,... it was free, I'll try it in a blind test. If it sucks wind I'll let the store know and not use it again ;) And the last 2 were stuffed without any cloning gel into some Advanced Nutrients rooting plugs. Again these were freebies from the local store, supposed to be bomb,.... I'll find out I guess!

I don't have a pic under the lights ATM.

All plants are showing signs of improvement already and at this point in the game I expect to loose none of them.... so it's a race to rooted to see which compound or cube is best! :rasta:



Worst part of this experiment is I can only afford to keep 2 of them once they are rooted,.... So 4 will have to be destroyed when this is said and done. :(

[canniwhatsis]

All 6 were doing well until today when my furry shitheaded helper decided that the humidity dome needed to be open! :mad:

I came home tonight to several VERRY dry clones and one that looks like it wont make it! :(

After scolding the cat, (while he looked at me like "WTF?" ) and watering the dome/ plugs, the clones are looking better, cept for the one :(


I've got roots on one of the "Clonex" plugs, nothing on any of the others, and the F'd plant is one of the "MX" girls.


So far IMHO as pertains to this little test, the Clonex in rapid rooters is winning over the MX gel and the Advance Nutrients plugs.



Pic 1: All the girls
Pic 2: The likely dead one :(
Pic 3: ROOTS!!!!!!









































Pic 4: P.S. A buddy of mine asked for a White Widow Clone so a day after I took all the blueberry clones, so I took one. TOTALLY half assed this, NO 2nd cut, scraped the stem with the uncleaned edge of my pruning shears, dipped in some clonex and stuffed into a plug. I figured there was no way in HELL this was gonna make it!!!!!! :o














































Ohhh yeah! :stoned: ......... Pics! :rastasmoke:

[canniwhatsis]

The wilted clone has come back to life. Still no roots showing on it, but the other 3 clones in the rapid rooters are showing some roots now.

Still nothing on the Advanced Nutrients plugs? :wtf: They aren't dead yet, so I still think it'll work.

[canniwhatsis]

As of tonight the 2 clones that used Clonex are ready to pot. So it looks like the other 4 will be the ones that get axed out of my garden. :( And I can only keep 1 of the 2 that are ready to pot, which makes this even harder! :sadcrying

Bummer, I was actually fairly hopeful about the AN plugs, I guess I'll hang on to them long enough to get roots and see just how long it takes.

[canniwhatsis]

Finished tally,... 5 of 6 rooted in under 2 weeks. One got potted the other 5 got tossed :(

The one that hadn't rooted was in the AN plug, :wtf: I peeled the plug open and there were some knobs, but no actual root growth after 2 weeks. The other AN plug had a SINGLE root sticking out of the bottom of the stem, nothing growing off of the sides.

Looks like the "Lick and stick" of those plugs is a pile of BS. Perhaps if used in conjunction with their "Juicy Roots" rooting hormone it'll be better. I found that to be about as good as clonex (when used in my normal fashion) in another blind test several months ago. (I love freebies! :D )

As for the "MX Clone" Gel, it worked better than the AN plugs alone, but I won't be using it again as the root structure took half a week longer to form than the Clonex, and it was MUCH weaker.



Sorry, the wife hid the camera from me while the last half of this was going down, so no pics! :mad:

[socaltay12]

Finished tally,... 5 of 6 rooted in under 2 weeks. One got potted the other 5 got tossed :(

The one that hadn't rooted was in the AN plug, :wtf: I peeled the plug open and there were some knobs, but no actual root growth after 2 weeks. The other AN plug had a SINGLE root sticking out of the bottom of the stem, nothing growing off of the sides.

Looks like the "Lick and stick" of those plugs is a pile of BS. Perhaps if used in conjunction with their "Juicy Roots" rooting hormone it'll be better. I found that to be about as good as clonex (when used in my normal fashion) in another blind test several months ago. (I love freebies! :D )

As for the "MX Clone" Gel, it worked better than the AN plugs alone, but I won't be using it again as the root structure took half a week longer to form than the Clonex, and it was MUCH weaker.



Sorry, the wife hid the camera from me while the last half of this was going down, so no pics! :mad:

Ive read and re-read through several cloning methods and I still like yours the best. I see you use CloneX rooting gel and a humidity dome, but I notice you mention "rapid rooters" I have heard this term used several times but still havent been able to find out what exactly it is or where to buy them. Are they like rockwool cubes? Sorry if these questions seem petty but I am still new to this game and you seem to be very educated in what you do with your ladies. My goal is to replicate your method to the best of my ability so a materials list would be awesome if you have the time.:thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Ive read and re-read through several cloning methods and I still like yours the best. I see you use CloneX rooting gel and a humidity dome, but I notice you mention "rapid rooters" I have heard this term used several times but still havent been able to find out what exactly it is or where to buy them. Are they like rockwool cubes? Sorry if these questions seem petty but I am still new to this game and you seem to be very educated in what you do with your ladies. My goal is to replicate your method to the best of my ability so a materials list would be awesome if you have the time.:thumbsup:

Sorry,.... I replied, even with pics on a second subject pertaining to this thread,..... about 4 posts are gone in this thread alone....... I'd like some explanation for that before I reiterate what I've posted and lost.:wtf:

[emilya]

Sorry,.... I replied, even with pics on a second subject pertaining to this thread,..... about 4 posts are gone in this thread alone....... I'd like some explanation for that before I reiterate what I've posted and lost.:wtf:

my post about my new bubble cloner disappeared too... hmmm.

Here is what happened though. All 3 of the very hard to clone white widows got roots... this one took off and went crazy with it first.

Emmie

[canniwhatsis]

One of my buddy's finally gave up on his bubble cloner,.... he was having about 75% success, but when it'd fail, it'd fail bigtime!


I'm gonna be cutting some more clones this week since my last round of seeds failed. (new heat mat cooked em! :mad: )


I guess I'll re- up on the last bit of info I posted in here.


"Can I cut clones from a plant in flower?" ;) :rastasmoke:

[emilya]

One of my buddy's finally gave up on his bubble cloner,.... he was having about 75% success, but when it'd fail, it'd fail bigtime!


I'm gonna be cutting some more clones this week since my last round of seeds failed. (new heat mat cooked em! :mad: )


I guess I'll re- up on the last bit of info I posted in here.


"Can I cut clones from a plant in flower?" ;) :rastasmoke:

Well I love my bubble cloner. I have killed one clone so far, but that was more my fault as to how I prepared the stem. I have 3 viable clones now in soil from the cloner and 2 more started. Each of these were well into flower when snipped. It just seems to take a bit while the clones sit there and say WTF for a week or so adjusting to the light, and then they take off and start shooting out roots. Each of these successes were my white widow too... a notoriously hard one to clone according to some and as my 5 previous failed attempts without the bubble cloner attest to, not at all easy for a newbie to figure out.

Cant wait to see your input on cloning from flower. For me after 5 failed attempts in veg, it was necessary in order to insure the safety of this line to try it this late in the present grow. It seems from what I have seen, that it can be an option, and if done sparingly, does little to stress the flowering mother plant.

Emmie

[canniwhatsis]

Cloning a flowering plant. Yes it can be done! I would recommend doing it fairly early in flowering, that's what I've done here.

As some of you know I grow SCROG, and around the second week of flowering I will kull out the smaller undergrowth that won't make it to the screen, On my recent blueberry many of those shoots were just too tempting to clone for just an experiment like this! :rastasmoke:
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First off, I Skewered the Rappid rooter plug since the manufacture hole is WAY too big.
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Then I select a good size cutting, and do a second cut at 45* after scrapping the stem lightly with a razor.
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This time around I used a cap off of a permanent marker that has been rinsed to hold a small amount of Clonex and dipped the stem for 10 seconds.
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[canniwhatsis]

I took 2 clones from the undergrowth of my 2 week flowering plant. And 2 as a baseline off of my mother.
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The cutting took place on 2-26, and all 4 had rooted and were ready to pot on 3-13, 2 were destroyed, leaving me one that was taken from the flowering plant, and one normal clone.
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While the clone cut from the flowering plant rooted and is healthy and happy, it is throwing some re-vege fits growing single and double leaflet leaves and stretching like mad.
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The baseline clone is pluggin along like normal! :pimp:
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[sunbiz1]

Now can someone tell me why in the past we had all kinds of cloning machines etc. posted here?. No need for all that!.

Cut, dip(optional), plant in soil...that's all there is to it~!.

[sunbiz1]

Well I love my bubble cloner. I have killed one clone so far, but that was more my fault as to how I prepared the stem. I have 3 viable clones now in soil from the cloner and 2 more started. Each of these were well into flower when snipped. It just seems to take a bit while the clones sit there and say WTF for a week or so adjusting to the light, and then they take off and start shooting out roots. Each of these successes were my white widow too... a notoriously hard one to clone according to some and as my 5 previous failed attempts without the bubble cloner attest to, not at all easy for a newbie to figure out.

Cant wait to see your input on cloning from flower. For me after 5 failed attempts in veg, it was necessary in order to insure the safety of this line to try it this late in the present grow. It seems from what I have seen, that it can be an option, and if done sparingly, does little to stress the flowering mother plant.

Emmie

Most don't have a "bubble cloner". That is simply a device to speed up cuttings(and a waste of time and resources). I just cloned from flowering plant(albeit one I'm reverting back to vegetative state).

I'm surprised you are having problems, cut, dip exposed stalk in honey, and plant.

Maybe I'm just a lucky guy, but I have 24 hour old cuttings happy as good be under a dome environment to retain moisture.

[canniwhatsis]

Now can someone tell me why in the past we had all kinds of cloning machines etc. posted here?. No need for all that!.

Cut, dip(optional), plant in soil...that's all there is to it~!.

Been there done that,.... never with good success. I've heard of using honey to seal the wound when grafting (tho haven't tried it) but never for cloning. Having read some threads on other sites, I'd say the key to the bubble cloners is keeping the res at the right temp.

Cloning from a re-vege is no different than cloning from a vege plant, since it is in fact a veging plant once again.

I've added that little snipit because of the number of times I've read the question/situation "My plant wasn't showing sex, so I've had it in flower for 3 weeks and its a girl,.... can I take clones? or is it too late?"

[sunbiz1]

Been there done that,.... never with good success. I've heard of using honey to seal the wound when grafting (tho haven't tried it) but never for cloning. Having read some threads on other sites, I'd say the key to the bubble cloners is keeping the res at the right temp.

Cloning from a re-vege is no different than cloning from a vege plant, since it is in fact a veging plant once again.

I've added that little snipit because of the number of times I've read the question/situation "My plant wasn't showing sex, so I've had it in flower for 3 weeks and its a girl,.... can I take clones? or is it too late?"

Upon re-reading some of the comments posted here, I may simply be getting lucky using the old-fashioned method. I'll post pics in the next several days. What I have noticed is they need humidity. I removed the dome cover from one after 3 days today, within an hour it wilted...won't be trying that again!. Yet I've read here of those having success in moderate levels. *shrugs*. Cloning from cuttings works fine for most native plants in my area with no root gel etc at all, that's why I'm experimenting a bit.

[sunbiz1]

1 week after planting, and the first 2 are doing well. Since they still like/need the dome, I'll leave it on for another week.

Peace all.

[sunbiz1]

Has anyone tried placing cuttings in straight rooting gel?. I saw a product for this method yesterday at a garden supply center, and was wondering if it actually works.

[lindas926]

I also do when an ounce was 4 or 5 inches lol Peace out