I have 9-10 days

[LordLemon]

OK. Here's what's up.

Today will be my last day of smoking. Now, It's pretty much up to me when to take the UA as long as it falls within between the 14th-17th. It's a DOT screen but by my choice. I'm going to try some of the dilution methods (no synthetic for me, I just cant bring myself to do it) and test myself on the 12th which will be 7 full days of not smoking.

I made a topic before about the synthetic stuff and in that, I stated I'm 6' and weight around 165. I can eat like a pig and I never gain weight. And when I say pig, I'm talking about everything from cupcakes to Burger King.

Now, like I said before, this is by choice. I don't have to attend the original start date (the place I'm testing for) and can push it back. After all, I'm paying cash out of my own pocket for all of it. Worse case possible? I flunk it, get money back and go back to college or something.

But I would rather not. So.....

Any other suggestions would be welcome. I figure this would be a good topic to update. Let's see what I can accomplish in one week. And I do a TON of shit to do around the house (drywalling, painting, raking) so working out isn't an issue.

[LordLemon]

One more thing, I smoke 3-4 bowls a day but keep in mind it's the cheapest stuff out there. I mean like, I'm reefed for 20 minutes.

[Deige]

OK. Here's what's up.

Today will be my last day of smoking. Now, It's pretty much up to me when to take the UA as long as it falls within between the 14th-17th. It's a DOT screen but by my choice. I'm going to try some of the dilution methods (no synthetic for me, I just cant bring myself to do it) and test myself on the 12th which will be 7 full days of not smoking.

I made a topic before about the synthetic stuff and in that, I stated I'm 6' and weight around 165. I can eat like a pig and I never gain weight. And when I say pig, I'm talking about everything from cupcakes to Burger King.

Now, like I said before, this is by choice. I don't have to attend the original start date (the place I'm testing for) and can push it back. After all, I'm paying cash out of my own pocket for all of it. Worse case possible? I flunk it, get money back and go back to college or something.

But I would rather not. So.....

Any other suggestions would be welcome. I figure this would be a good topic to update. Let's see what I can accomplish in one week. And I do a TON of shit to do around the house (drywalling, painting, raking) so working out isn't an issue.

I would start a daily workout regiment(cardio works the best) and pick yourself up some Metamucil. The soluble fiber will help you to excrete THCA metabolites through your colon and the exercise will help you to burn fat cells. You can buy cheap home tests strips online for practically nothing(think I got mine on Amazon... $8 for 10) and yes.. they are accurate.

Run through this for a week and test yourself at day 7 like you said. Keep us up to date and if you have any more questions.. holler. Good luck.

[LordLemon]

I've also read on a couple of sites that smoking cigs and drinking coffee speeds up metabolism. If this is true, I'm fortunate because I drink about 2 pots of coffee and smoke two packs of Marlboro a day.

[LordLemon]

OK, Day 1: Drank 32 OZ of Gatorade along with 500mg of niacin. Now, I know many claim niacin doesn't work while others say it does. I'm going with the hypothetical that it only helps clean you out. We'll see.

[LordLemon]

Also, I'll pick some Metamucil tonight or in the morning. I plan on taking long walks 1-2 times a day as well.

[Burnt Toast]

OK, Day 1: Drank 32 OZ of Gatorade along with 500mg of niacin. Now, I know many claim niacin doesn't work while others say it does. I'm going with the hypothetical that it only helps clean you out. We'll see.

Those whove taken niacin before taking a U/A and passed are wrongly crediting the niacin when the real hero was the large amounts of fluids they had consumed with the niacin that allowed them to pass due to the THCA concentration in their bladder being diluted to the point where the sample registered below the cutoff thresholds of the drug screen. They wouldve passed anyway just on the fluid-loading alone and without the niacin to go with it.
Niacin does nothing to help pass a U/A. Besides, taking more niacin than the recommended daily amount of 15 mg can result in serious health consequences.
Misusing Vitamin To Foil Drug Test May Be Toxic; Plus, It Doesn't Work (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/67525.php)
Morons Overdose on Niacin While Trying to Beat a Drug Test | Wired Science | Wired.com (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/10/morons-overdose/)

There is no product, nothing that can rid the body of THC except for time and fat-burning exercise.

[Deige]

Add a heavy backpack to your walks. If your walking, it will help to give your legs an extra load and make your body work harder... Thus burning more fat.

Burnttoast is absolutely correct. Niacin is a myth and as far as the coffee and cigarettes go, your sources are mistaken. Stick to what we've outlined in these posts and you'll have the best chance you can get.

[webdox]

OK, Day 1: Drank 32 OZ of Gatorade along with 500mg of niacin. Now, I know many claim niacin doesn't work while others say it does. I'm going with the hypothetical that it only helps clean you out. We'll see.

Some like to claim that because it is a vasodilator that having bigger tunnels for blood to flow is tantamount to faster THC metabolite excretion. They are taking an illogical leap that has no basis in fact. Some like to cling to the fact that it speed up ones metabolism. Well so does smoking cigarettes but I don't suggest people do something that could be potentially harmful in the name of trying to get THC out of their system. You can increase your metabolism 100x more by simply doing 15 minutes of fat burning exercise.

In addition, when taken in greater than the daily recommended dose, niacin can wreak havoc on the liver and can lead to liver failure. Just because niacin is involved in fat metabolism does not mean that more equals better/faster or else we would have so many lard asses in this country and niacin would be touted as the weight loss miracle cure. It isn't nor does it do a thing to speed up THC unloading.

Dilution does not require niacin. It requires water (creatine and b2 help).

If you are trying to naturally clean yourself out, then taking the DRD dose of niacin will more than suffice. Fat burning exercise and time is the miracle cure, nothing else.

Until someone shows that niacin has a positive influence on the metabolic pathway involved with hydroxylation of THC, it will continue to just be a myth proliferated by followers of the father of Scientology and L Ron himself.

THC is excreted mostly as hydroxylated and carboxylated metabolites. Rougly 65% is excreted in feces and roughly 20% or so eliminated in the urine. The main urinary metabolite is THC-COOH glucuronide conjugate. The main feces metabolite is 11-OH-THC. The concentration of free THC-COOH and the cross-reactivity of glucuronide bound THC-COOH enable cannabinoid immunoassays to be done directly on the non hydrolyzed urine but confirmation and quantification of THC-COOH is done after alkaline hydrolysis of B-glucuronidase hydrolysis to free THC-COOH for measurement by GC/MS. There are a few good books that are quite in depth about our favorite plant, Cannabinoids in Nature and Medicine is one I have on my desk right now.

[LordLemon]

Soooo.....why is the topic on niacin stickied?

I don't disbelieve you guys, I'm just saying...

[Burnt Toast]

Some like to claim that because it is a vasodilator that having bigger tunnels for blood to flow is tantamount to faster THC metabolite excretion. They are taking an illogical leap that has no basis in fact. Exactly, Web. If these niacin touters had done any real research on how the body processes THC, they would understand that the rate limiting step to THC elimination is NOT the size of the blood vessels. It is the bodys Glomerular Filtration Rate. GFR is the rate in which THCA is filtered from the bloodstream by the kidneys. Niacin has no effect on GFR and neither does drinking excessive water.

The vasodilator claim and the so-called efficacy of niacin began way back around 45 years ago by the father of Scientology L Ron Hubbard. Hub was a crackpot who had no medical training whatsoever, charges $20,000 to join his sect, advocates total silence during childbirth, and claimed (along with his chief minions Tom Cruise and Brooke Shields) that niacin can cure anything from post-partum depression to toxic-shock syndrome. He also claimed that frequent pats on the forehead can "rid ones mind of demons". :rolleyes: Is this the kind of source of (mis)info that you want to place credence upon to help pass a U/A?

In the drug testing forum, we tend to stick with proven factual info and not a bunch of junk science brought on by Hub, Cruise, and the rest of the wackjobs of the Scientology movement. Especially since careers, families, and freedoms are riding on the outcome of a U/A.

[webdox]

Soooo.....why is the topic on niacin stickied?

I don't disbelieve you guys, I'm just saying...

So why is the topic locked is a better question... that is an almost 5 year old topic. Some years ago bullshit information about how to pass drug tests ran rampant. In the years that have followed a few have stepped up to offer the truth and that's what we try to "stick" to here now :)

[LordLemon]

Alrighty. The dilution topic is locked also so I guess that thread is bullshit too?

[LordLemon]

Good God, Deige....I followed your advise and I've hit the toilet to shit 4 times already. Wow.

[Burnt Toast]

n Soooo.....why is the topic on niacin stickied?
For the same reason why the "Certo" thread was stickied. Like the Certo sticky, there are a handful of posts in the niacin thread that are informative (courtesy of one of the veteran experts on the drug testing topic, Higher Logic).

[LordLemon]

Meh, fuck my CDL. I'm going to save my $4.000, get a local job in the kitchen and smoke a bowl right now.

[Burnt Toast]

If youre taking a DOT test, then why not just cut to the chase and find a clean urine sample (or synthetic) to sub? Subbing is easy on a DOT test because you will not be observed unless you had been suspected of tampering, or if the test is a followup/return to duty test.

[LordLemon]

They sell Quickfix in Delaware but for only 25 bucks. I'm aware of the fakes.

This is what I will do: Because DE is only 45 minutes away (it's where I buy cigs) I'm going to bring a copy of the bad batch numbers. I will buy it there and open it. If it's fake, money back on the spot.

But what about the physical? Won't they see the quickfix shoved up my butt?

[LordLemon]

Also, nobody will be watching me piss. I'm not employed or anything. This is for a CDL school.

[Burnt Toast]

But what about the physical? Won't they see the quickfix shoved up my butt?
If you were taking a DOT test "by choice" as youve indicated in your O/P, are you opting for a physical and if so, why?

And why would you want to shove the QF bottle up your butt when there are other hiding options available (see the Substitution sticky)?

[LordLemon]

Physical is required but.....

I have a card from a DOT physical I did in MO. I tried going through Prime but had to come home.

The card is good for two years. Different state but maybe good for NJ too?

[webdox]

Alrighty. The dilution topic is locked also so I guess that thread is bullshit too?

w/e :rolleyes:

[LordLemon]

What does that mean?