Wikileaks Turns on Obama

[Islandborn]

Gitmo has become game of "Lets Make a Deal."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?hp

Clinton orders diplomats to spy on others at UN. (Hasn't that been done for YEARS?)
Orders from Clinton: US Diplomats Told to Spy on Other Countries at United Nations - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,731587,00.html)

U.S. to Slovenia- Take a Detainee to meet Obama
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?hp

Saudis main voice urging attack on Iran
Saudi Arabia urges US attack on Iran to stop nuclear programme | World news | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-saudis-iran)

And Israel preparing to go it alone in next year.

Saudis also main $$ money men for Al Queda (also no shocker)
RPT-UPDATE 1-Cut off the head of the snake Saudis told US on I | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2862745120101128)

IF ANYTHING.....these stolen cabals reveal the true PATIENCE of the Israeli Govt......not the theme the leftists bigots would LOVE to have them show of the war hungry Jews provoking a war with Iran.

[bigsby]

Yeah, our patience is growing thin for renegade nations with clandestine nuclear programs who continually attack their neighbors, imprison people for years without trial (including children), make extensive us of state sponsored torture, and spy on their allies... please. Give it a rest.

[Islandborn]

Read the cabals homie......they speak for me. If anything its the SAUDIS wanting Israel to attack......they are also providing the Mossad with information and names.

I love the Obama "Lets Make a Gitmo Deal" game these folks have decided to play.

How did the Israeli's decided to settle on the only piece of sand in the middle east without oil 2 feet under the ground is beyond me......those dang Jews.

Any Americans working for Wikileaks should start watching their backs now......they will be looking to try people for treason.

[Islandborn]

Sorry dude......these secret stolen cabals just dont back your make believe narrative. Have ya made it to that new high end mall in Gaza yet to snap some pictures of that Gucci store? Prada maybe? Chuckle.:pimp:

[Islandborn]

Regardless of what the lefty anti-Israel lobby says....this WIKILEAKS (their hero) leak clearly shows Middle Eastern leaders coming out of their diplomatic closet blasting IRAN as the #1 threat in the middle east. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia being the most vocal for an attack on Tehran. The biggest cheerleaders for bashing Israel are the AMERICAN LEFTISTS and the fundamentalist,religous kooks in Iran, and the fat socialist in Venezuela. Interesting.

But we all know that doesn't mean a thing to someone whose main problem with a certain people is their religon and semetic background.......they know who they are.:)

Vast Leak of Cables by WikiLeaks Discloses Diplomatic Secrets - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704700204575642812775841790.html)

[bigsby]

Regardless of what the lefty anti-Israel lobby says....this WIKILEAKS (their hero) leak clearly shows Middle Eastern leaders coming out of their diplomatic closet blasting IRAN as the #1 threat in the middle east. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia being the most vocal for an attack on Tehran. The biggest cheerleaders for bashing Israel are the AMERICAN LEFTISTS and the fundamentalist,religous kooks in Iran, and the fat socialist in Venezuela. Interesting.

Read my words again:


Yeah, our patience is growing thin for renegade nations with clandestine nuclear programs who continually attack their neighbors, imprison people for years without trial (including children), make extensive us of state sponsored torture, and spy on their allies... please. Give it a rest.I never mentioned Israel. Amazing that you can make the leap all by yourself. I wonder why that is?

Saudi Arabia is a horrendous, backwards regime that also needs to go. They fit my description very well. The blow back we get from our support of those tyrants is easily comparable to anything we receive due to our support of Israel.


But we all know that doesn't mean a thing to someone whose main problem with a certain people is their religon and semetic background.......they know who they are.

You mean "religion" and "Semitic," right? Thanks for reminding me. I forgot that questioning the motives or policies of Israel is the equivalent of Jew bashing/bating/hating. How convenient. An excuse for all seasons. When in doubt, tar and feather by crying antisemitism. You work straight out of the AIPAC playbook, though doubtful that you are aware enough to realize it.

[boulderbud5525]

the Texass education system at work - it's cable not cabal.

[Deige]

the Texass education system at work - it's cable not cabal.

Actually, he wasn't talking about cable... as in TV. He's talking about Cabal.

A cabal is a number of people united in some close design, usually to promote their private views and interests in a political party, church, state, or other community, often by intrigue.

And while were on grammer, Texas is spelled with one s.

[bigsby]

Actually, he wasn't talking about cable... as in TV. He's talking about Cabal.

A cabal is a number of people united in some close design, usually to promote their private views and interests in a political party, church, state, or other community, often by intrigue.

And while were on grammer, Texas is spelled with one s.

Jesus Christ dude, please tell me you are joking. You are just carrying the joke further, right?

To be clear, the secret cables that young genius teabagger was referring to were the recently leaked US intra-governmental communications (also known as secret cables). We could well discuss the neo-con cabal that lied us into the Iraq war, but that is a different subject.

Further, "Texass" would be a spelling mistake, not a grammar mistake (note spelling of grammar...). However, if you follow the conversations around here you would understand that this was most likely an intentional play on words. Get it? "TEX-ASS" It's a joke son, a funny, a regular ha ha ha. Extra points if you can tell me who said that...

Too bad you can't edit or delete comments after 10 minutes. Quick, see if one of the mods will delete this for you.

[leadmagnet]

You are being very ugly mr bigsby and I feel compelled to point this out sir.

Please stop slapping yer monkey.

[bigsby]

Ever notice how Islandboy never debates the issues? He just throws out accusations and half truths and that's pretty much it. Responding to serious questions with serious answers does not serve his objectives. It is much easier to throw some mud around to see if anything will stick, and then move on.

First, being critical of Israel does not make anyone an anti-Semite. That's a sad 10th grade smear tactic. Americans are finally wise to it after all these years. Second, I never even mentioned Israel. You brought Israel into the discussion and then you try to brand me an anti-Semite? That's despicable and pathetic. You have made this charge before. Back it up. Quote anything that I have ever written that is anti-Semitic. Otherwise, keep your mouth shut. Save it for someone that meets that definition. By slinging that accusation around so casually you cheapen it's meaning.

It is truly pathetic what passes for political debate here.



Read my words again:

I never mentioned Israel. Amazing that you can make the leap all by yourself. I wonder why that is?

Saudi Arabia is a horrendous, backwards regime that also needs to go. They fit my description very well. The blow back we get from our support of those tyrants is easily comparable to anything we receive due to our support of Israel.

You mean "religion" and "Semitic," right? Thanks for reminding me. I forgot that questioning the motives or policies of Israel is the equivalent of Jew bashing/bating/hating. How convenient. An excuse for all seasons. When in doubt, tar and feather by crying antisemitism. You work straight out of the AIPAC playbook, though doubtful that you are aware enough to realize it.

[bigsby]

You are being very ugly mr bigsby and I feel compelled to point this out sir.
You really think so? Mediocrity, laziness and lies just piss me off. I guess it's time for a spliff then.

[Deige]

Jesus Christ dude, please tell me you are joking. You are just carrying the joke further, right?

To be clear, the secret cables that young genius teabagger was referring to were the recently leaked US intra-governmental communications (also known as secret cables). We could well discuss the neo-con cabal that lied us into the Iraq war, but that is a different subject.

Further, "Texass" would be a spelling mistake, not a grammar mistake (note spelling of grammar...). However, if you follow the conversations around here you would understand that this was most likely an intentional play on words. Get it? "TEX-ASS" It's a joke son, a funny, a regular ha ha ha. Extra points if you can tell me who said that...

Too bad you can't edit or delete comments after 10 minutes. Quick, see if one of the mods will delete this for you.

Glad somebody found that amusing... And yes it was a joke.:D

[boulderbud5525]

rock on Bigsby, I've got your back. it is so bizarre to read this shit on a cannabis site. pot doesn't seem to be working on these foxoids, neo con artists, and closed minded haters. that texas weed must be laced with irrational rage.

[boulderbud5525]

You are being very ugly mr bigsby and I feel compelled to point this out sir.

Please stop slapping yer monkey.

Who the fuck let Jeeves out of the kitchen? Get your rigid ass back in there and make us some brownies Mr French.

[bigsby]

Who the fuck let Jeeves out of the kitchen? Get your rigid ass back in there and make us some brownies Mr French.

mmmm... brownies. I love edibles. Nothing better than first thing in the morning.

It's cool. leadmagnet is doing us all a service by keeping the tone within bounds. I don't really come here to discuss politics. That's just a side benefit.

I'm going to be on travel pretty soon so I'll be out for a few weeks anyway. I love the desert heat.

[boaz]

... It's a joke son, a funny, a regular ha ha ha. Extra points if you can tell me who said that...

...

damn, I can't think that roosters name, foghorn leghorn or something?

[Islandborn]

Again with the regional racism from Bigsby.....I wouldn't wanna be filled with that much anger, its unhealthy.

Did I mispell a word? OH.......MY.........GOD.......I am so sorry.

THE POINT......is that through these stolen diplomatic communications it shows CLEARLY that its the nations of SAUDI ARABIA, BAHRAIN,UAE,KUWAIT,TURKEY, and a couple other muslim nations that are the KEY SUPPORTERS of attacking Iran through whatever means possible. Not the Israeli leadership who have been made to look EXTREMELY cool and calm....more so that SAUDI ARABIA who still chops peoples hands off for stealing.

It certainly doesn't fit the narrative that PRAVDA Picture taker Bigsby would have made you to believe.

Eat some fiber or somethin dude.

[Islandborn]

and now Im a Tea Party person now? When did that happen? Let me spell it out for you reeeeeeaaaaaaal slow. I am a former Democrat who VOTED FOR Obama.....said that MY FIRST DAY here....Im pretty sure I was talking with Boaz.

Hell yea I pulled for some Tea Party candidates against the Dems in the midterms....cause the Democrats of today are FAR from what they used to be or represent. They are a bunch of NANNY STATE ELITISTS. There are a shit load of republicans who gotta go to.....this is not party specific. It just so happens that your peeps are the majority hunks of crap right now in power.

I am way more of an independent.........I'd love to meet somewhere with you guys on some social issues in America......other than that, I want NOTHING to do with the Democrat Party......and clearly after the ASS WHOOPING you guys took in the midterms....neither does the VOTING ELECTORATE........so yea.....calll me some whacko extremist if you want.....

[RedLocks]

:spam4:
Why is he posting over and over again in his own thread, I don't see any of you talking to him really... ohh wait, I see one reply quoting him to his 6 posts...

[leadmagnet]

Really though, I live with islandborn type people around me all the time both because of where I live and thekind of work I do. I tend to get PO'd at them too but it seldom has any impact when you rant at them. (Although admittedly it does sometimes feel good deep down inside somewhere near where my opium receptors are located).

We love you island born! Toke up brother. Sooner or later some of us are going to rub off on you, and I mean in a good way.

[boulderbud5525]

you rock leadmagnet! :thumbsup:

[RedLocks]

Really though
heh, yeah know what you mean which is why I can assure you, I wouldn't bother directing anything at him. I'm just in somewhat disbelief he is still here, allowed to be here, etcetc. I have my forum view set to 100 posts, half of which are him spamming god knows what, which is a little weird to see after the social aspect of this site was purged and it became a medical site. Can't figure out really why he came here..

carry on :D

[Rusty Trichome]

My guess is that Obama wanted the documents leaked. There isn't one damn thing he's done as president that has shown he plans on upholding his oath of office, and protect our constitution. Actually...quite the opposite is true.


I don't really come here to discuss politics. That's just a side benefit.
No... you just come in, unprepared and unread, and 'discuss' bashing conservatives and conservative ideals and you argue about information (in the cables, for instance) that you obviously haven't read. This means you are talking out of your ass with no clue what you are arguing against, beyond the fact you wish to inflame another CanCom member for his conservative opinions and morals.

You sound exactly like the left-wing bloggers that despite all evidence against their stance, can defend so many undefendable positions. If the liberal fanatics would put as much effort into learning the facts as they do in parroting other uninspired morons that put weak morals above honesty, truth and reason...this past election might not have been such a disaster for the democrats. Personally, I can't wait for the 2012 elections. The candidates are warmning-up already, and so far it's looking like us conservatives are going to gain more seats.

Beat your dead horse all you want, you are impressing nobody.

You don't need to be a neo-socialist to partake of the medicine we all enjoy. But if you have no tolerance with CanCom members, perhaps a more sophmoric site would suit y'all.

[bigsby]

No... you just come in, unprepared and unread, and 'discuss' bashing conservatives and conservative ideals and you argue about information (in the cables, for instance) that you obviously haven't read. This means you are talking out of your ass with no clue what you are arguing against, beyond the fact you wish to inflame another CanCom member for his conservative opinions and morals.

You sound exactly like the left-wing bloggers that despite all evidence against their stance, can defend so many undefendable positions.

How typical. You attack me as being "unprepared and unread" and you accuse me of "talking out of my ass." Where is the proof, Rusty? You do not offer one shred of evidence. Try working with facts for a change. I've written all over this site so you have plenty of material to work with. Quote me. Prove your point to everyone here. People here aren't oblivious to reality. Just saying it doesn't make it so.

As usual you bring nothing to the table and you add nothing to the debate. In fact, it is you who is talking out of your ass with baseless and gutless attacks. Could it have something to do with the quality of your arguments or it just evidence of a vacuous intellect?

[RedLocks]

Ya know, I can't write my post without creating a bigger shitstorm. Wish I could have a sit-down with a few of yuh..

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[boulderbud5525]

[quote=Rusty Trichome]My guess is that Obama wanted the documents leaked. There isn't one damn thing he's done as president that has shown he plans on upholding his oath of office, and protect our constitution. Actually...quite the opposite is true.

You're saying its true that the President doesn't uphold the oath of office or the constitution? WTF kind of paranoid delusions do you right wing wackos operate under. You want to bash Bigsby yet his posts show an educated opinion based on obvious research -that means reading something other than the FOX headlines. You say our president doesn't uphold the constitution, that is just insane shit blowing out the void that is your skull. No facts just insane shit. Too bad you all weren't in the jungle with Jim Jones.:wtf:

[killerweed420]

I'm glad all these unclassified cables have been released. I wish they could have got there hands on some better stuff but at least this lets us see the crooks running our own country and how much manipulation of foreign policy goes on.
I'm really waiting for the next dump about a major American bank. I'm hoping its Bank of America. Maybe we'll get a chance to peak behind the velvet curtain.

[bigsby]

I'm glad all these unclassified cables have been released. I wish they could have got there hands on some better stuff but at least this lets us see the crooks running our own country and how much manipulation of foreign policy goes on.
I'm really waiting for the next dump about a major American bank. I'm hoping its Bank of America. Maybe we'll get a chance to peak behind the velvet curtain.

No shit, eh? And you can say what you want about spying etc. but the fact is, we have learned from Wikileaks that our country is engaged in, and actively covers up, some pretty ugly behavior.

This latest dump was nothing. Yeah, some embarrassment and yeah, it does have serious implications for state craft in the short term but what was really important was the previous leak which showed the murder of more than a dozen Iraqi civilians plus two Reuters journalists. Without their work we would never have known the truth about this incident, which of course should cause us to question a whole range of military activity in these wars. And this is what really has the USG pissed off.

For those who are not familiar see: Collateral Murder (http://www.collateralmurder.com/)

[boulderbud5525]

At least the wikileaks dump has reminded the slumbering american public that we're still at war with no end in sight. How did we forget that we were in a war? Oh yeah, repeal healthcare reform, keep gays out of the military, extend tax cuts to the rich, deny extended employment benefits. No news is Fox News.

[Rusty Trichome]

People here aren't oblivious to reality. Just saying it doesn't make it so.
My point exactly.

Actually, you bore me with your "my thoughts are the only thoughts that count" tactic, and I feel that your personal attacks directed to those that are actually trying to debate the issues are adolescent and unfounded at best. Seems all you care to do is to push your anti-semetic rhetoric, yet you prove you have no information to add and have no clue what you are talking about. You flame all those that disagree with your twisted philosophy of the political arena, and you bitch and moan about the OP's content, yet you don't even bother to read the cables that this thread was highlighting. A sophmoric and lazy tactic.

Personally, I have no problem with what you think of me. Your kind isn't my target audience.

Islandborn: Good job stirring the debate. It's what the political forums are for. Granted...it is a bummer that some members are just too immature to enjoy the process of debate.

[boulderbud5525]

Debate is reasoned argument based on fact rusty. saying the president doesn't uphold the constitution just put you out of the debate.

[Psycho4Bud]

I'd suggest that EVERYBODY goes to a neutral corner and comes out mellow. Instead of slamming each other how about slamming the dumb fucks that put this country into the state that it's in......ALL the politicians from BOTH sides of the isle!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[boulderbud5525]

leave it to the godfather to bring some sanity back to the insanity. :thumbsup::rastasmoke:

[bigsby]

Actually, you bore me with your "my thoughts are the only thoughts that count" tactic, and I feel that your personal attacks directed to those that are actually trying to debate the issues are adolescent and unfounded at best. Seems all you care to do is to push your anti-semetic rhetoric, yet you prove you have no information to add and have no clue what you are talking about.

I do appreciate the Modfather's words of wisdom and I do my best to heed his words of caution. That said, I won't be called an antisemite by anyone. If you are going to employ smear tactics of that sort you need to back it up. Please, demonstrate my antisemitic credentials. If you have something to share, put it on the table. Show CanCom readers what I have ever said that even remotely smacks of antisemitism. And if you can't or don't, we'll all know that your words and personal attacks are based on fraud. Funny how in one sentence he admonishes me for personal attacks and in the next launches one of the most vile personal attack possible.


Granted...it is a bummer that some members are just too immature to enjoy the process of debate.

Debate? I haven't seen either of you debate anything. You and your minion post hit and run bits, and then slander anyone who disagrees with you. That's it. Oh wait, you mean that you are going to engage in debate from now on? Great. Start off by with a few quotes from one of my antisemitic rants. That would be a great place to start. But you got nothing. Run along now Rusty. Run along.

[RedLocks]

hah, I was laughing about that debate shit too, fucking seriously??? "Good job stirring the debate"?? Last time I checked this thread was just bunch of people trash talking, put down the dicktionary and find out what a debate actually is in a dictionary. Not to mention, calling people "members of canna.com" when they came here with the sole purpose to promote strife, division and generally just start shit, is beyond confusing.

Going to have to agree with p4b to some extent

Instead of slamming each other how about slamming the dumb fucks that put this country into the state that it's in
Only problem is, by the time you guys get to step two, you'll realize your opposition did half the work getting the country in this position and forget to blame yourselves too, and be back at each others throats. Sometimes yuh just gotta man up and all admit you're all doing a great job of fucking up, and fix shit instead of trying the same failed tactics again.

[Islandborn]

Now I'm a "Minion" on the cannabis site? How cool is that......I feel so.....Bond Villainish......I guess I'd like to start by thanking the baby jesus upstairs, my mom and dad, my wife and kids....all my friends and peeps doing time in Prison, 2pac and Biggie and Tom Cruise. Deuce.:hippy:

[Islandborn]

Also.....whats even funnier is that Im supposedly on these folks "ignore lists" like some kind of second grade run to the teacher for help thingy......you sure do answer ALOT of MY threads though don't ya.

And your the one poking the dog with the stick huh....chuckle chuckle. ;)

[Psycho4Bud]

Last time I checked this thread was just bunch of people trash talking, put down the dicktionary and find out what a debate actually is in a dictionary.

People BETTER start doing just that because this bullshit is coming to an end. Thread after thread gets deviated from the topic posted to a game of insults. It's SOON to be over!

In the VERY near future a new sticky will appear in this forum and I advise that everyone that posts in this arena reads it over twice. I WILL BE AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY ASSHOLE once I get a bit more information that I need!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Dutch Pimp]

I'm damn glad I kept my big mouth shut...:glugglug:...if you don't want it known/leaked?...don't write it down...the, fools...:pimp:

Doesn't anybody read history?

[gypski]

I'm damn glad I kept my big mouth shut...:glugglug:...if you don't want it known/leaked?...don't write it down...the, fools...:pimp:

Doesn't anybody read history?

Is that you pimp??? Those Okinawan babes must have a fountain of youth!!!:pimp:

[Dutch Pimp]

Is that you pimp??? Those Okinawan babes must have a fountain of youth!!!:pimp:
no, not me...:D...my patron saint...Dimebag

[gypski]

no, not me...:D...my patron saint...Dimebag

Shows I'm not up on all the celebrities in the Cannabis Culture! :S2: But, I seem to have heard that name before. :smokin:

[Islandborn]

The freedom fighters at Wikileaks are now attacking Visa, and Mastercard.
Hackers strike at MasterCard to support WikiLeaks - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wikileaks)

Operation Payback (Anon_Operation) on Twitter (http://twitter.com/Anon_Operation)

WOW....these folks are tough guys LOL......they do realize that they are being tracked right.....up to their EXACT location.....with spy satellites.

Assange could face espionage trial in US - Crime, UK - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/assange-could-face-espionage-trial-in-us-2154107.html)

Take the Death Penalty off the table and its SuperMax time for Julia. I bet he will respect the authority of the bigger inmates..right alongside poor Brad Manning.

[Islandborn]

And where was Mr. Assange's super secret hideout.........well a U.K. Journalists Club of course.....thats where. SHOCKA.

Assange's hiding place: U.K. club for journalists - U.S. news - WikiLeaks in Security - msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40582454/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/)

Espionage charges are being written as I type this. Mr. Assange will be transfered to the U.S. with full support of U.K. Govt. And the members who are already being tracked for hacking prominent credit cards companies will be arrested slowly around the globe weekly.

Wikileaks' Assange Lawyers Prepare for U.S. Espionage Indictment - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/assange-lawyers-prepare-us-espionage-indictment/story?id=12362315)

[bigsby]

It is really only a matter of political convenience that conservatives (wearing the color of the day) believe in limited government, challenging government power, and citizen checks on government overreach. If that were really part of their core believes then they would not have a problem with what WikiLeaks has done. It's instructive that a number of prominent conservatives have come out in support of WikiLeaks.

Ron Paul (Republican congressman from Texas) has come out as a strong defender of WikiLeaks: "What we need are more WikiLeaks", he said in a recent interview.

See the fox news clip here: Ron Paul: "What We Need Is More WikiLeaks On The Federal Reserve" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNNFVjBVEtQ&feature=player_embedded)

But see this article in The American Conservative by Jack Hunter which best outlines Republican doublespeak on this issue:

The Conservative Case for WikiLeaks (http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2010/12/09/the-conservative-case-for-wikileaks/)

"Decentralizing government power, limiting it, and challenging it was the Foundersâ?? intent and these have always been core conservative principles," Hunter observed. "Conservatives should prefer an explosion of whistleblower groups like WikiLeaks to a federal government powerful enough to take them down."

[Islandborn]

ummmmmmm, yea dude.....RON PAUL is a Republican in NAME only. Kinda Like Joe Manchin is a Democrat by name only. Ron Paul is called an independent in Texas but joins with Republicans....cause he has NO shot with the Texas Democrat Party.

To be honest.....i could CARE LESS what the wikinerds do next....there has been ZERO massive revolt because of these stolen cabals(lol) and the world continues to move. Assange is weak little man who will either spend the rest of his life in prison or hiding from multiple hit teams from multiple countries.

Ron Paul also now heads the Federal Oversight Committee. Should be cool. The same guy whose mantra is "end the Fed."
Ron Paul to lead oversight of Federal Reserve - Friday, Dec. 10, 2010 (http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Ron+Paul+to+lead+oversight+o f+Federal+Reserve&articleId=ebc7c385-3d45-4b22-82f2-675c3fc377b1)

[bigsby]

To be honest.....i could CARE LESS what the wikinerds do next....there has been ZERO massive revolt because of these stolen cabals(lol) and the world continues to move.

Which of course proves the point that these leaks are largely meaningless. What these leaks have done is to expose the overuse of "state secrets" to cover up the true motives of the government. As you admitted above, there has been little blow back. Whatever the outcome, it is going to help define the limits of our lip service to freedom of the press.


Ron Paul also now heads the Federal Oversight Committee. Should be cool. The same guy whose mantra is "end the Fed." Ron Paul to lead oversight of Federal Reserve - Friday, Dec. 10, 2010 (http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Ron+Paul+to+lead+oversight+o f+Federal+Reserve&articleId=ebc7c385-3d45-4b22-82f2-675c3fc377b1)

Yes, that was detailed in the video clip that I reference in my previous post... I'm all for transparency. The light of day is the best disinfectant. The Fed needs to be audited and made accountable to the public. We can agree on that.

[Islandborn]

It will be interesting from an outside perspective to watch what happens with Assange. Bradley Manning without a doubt committed espionage and will spend the rest of his very long life in Prison...now with Assange...I think there is a HUGE case to be made against him and the members of Wikileaks for taking these STOLEN state secrets of multiple nations worldwide and using them in a malicious manner. However, there is alot of wiggle room for a defence attorney also.

If they were attempting to make themselves look like "martyrs" for freedom of info they screwed up when they attacked Mastercard and Visa and affected millions of innocent CIVILIANS. Not a smart move if your looking for positive public PR.

I also find it interesting that the ONLY World Leaders blabbing about this Julian cat are people like Putin KGB and Hugo "the fat socialist" Chavez.

All I know, if I was Assange, I would be watching my back everyday for the rest of my life if Im not in prison. The left wing journo's in London can only hide you at their super elite clubs and smoking lounges for so long Julian. Karma is a bitch.