Landraces

[gypski]

this topic was brought to my attention on another forum I frequent and its concerning landraces. From what I gather, a landrace is a fairly indigenous species of cannabis distinct to a given region that hasn't been necessarily been cross bred. Kind of like a wild mustang! :D

Anyway, I had been wondering if any of the old originals were still around or available, it seems some could be. drcronic dot com has some, and this link has some information. Who around here has some experience with landraces and can give a review? I'd like to give them a whirl down the road. :smokin:

Landraces - A List of Cannabis Landraces - Smokereports.com (http://smokereports.com/strainreports/1928/Landraces)

[WashougalWonder]

Well I have a landrace thai that I haven't figured out how to flower to completion yet. It starts to flower, but,...... long story and discussed elsewhere.

In my book a landrace is a species that has lived in a specific location and has naturally evolved for the conditions of that location. The Thai I am messing with has a local soil pH in the low 5's. So, you have to do a lot of research to learn about the local conditions....it matters.

I wonder if there really is a landrace columbian. Havent' seen real columbian since I was ..... well over 30 years ago....same with Thai sticks......Hence my interest in a Laotion Thai.

This is very much an interest. I have a couple plants I would love to use to pollenate the Thai and see if I can get the stretch down in the F1 cross.

[RAINHAZE]

Man this is one post I hope others will contribute to. First place I looked on the link was the Thai myself! I was only able to try it out on a couple of occasions about (koff) years ago. One time in particular was some Vietnamese (Laotian) thai that I will never forget.

[khyberkitsune]

A true landrace is one that has never been refined by man, and has had more than enough time to become naturalized to the area.

I do landrace breeding for the Dutch. China, India, Morocco, Hungary, Turkey, Russia, Mexico, I've got tons of raw genetics.

'Old originals' isn't exactly accurate. Original landraces are all labeled by CAN#, they don't have a name.

[gypski]

Most of the old strains (Old World) were landraces because they were indigenous, other then Mexican which became indigenous over time because it had to be imported. Same with Jamaican and other strains grown in the western hemisphere. So..........where did they originate? Alcapulco Gold, Michuacan, Panama Red, the Columbian, etc. :cool:

I know the smoke we got in Okinawa in 68-69 was some of the most ass kicking weed I've ever smoked, and that's a fact. :thumbsup: $5.00 a match box. :D

[oldmac]

Wow gypski, you guy's on Okinawa were really getting ripped off!

I lived in Vientiane, Laos and then in Udorn, Thailand for a bunch of years in the late 60's and early 70's (civilian contractor). $5 US would buy 7-8 bricks (20 sticks/brick) depending on the time of year.

I don't even want to tell you how much Pannama Red cost in the US Canal Zone during the late 1950's!

Ahhhh, the good old days. :)
OM

[gypski]

Wow gypski, you guy's on Okinawa were really getting ripped off!

I lived in Vientiane, Laos and then in Udorn, Thailand for a bunch of years in the late 60's and early 70's (civilian contractor). $5 US would buy 7-8 bricks (20 sticks/brick) depending on the time of year.

I don't even want to tell you how much Pannama Red cost in the US Canal Zone during the late 1950's!

Ahhhh, the good old days. :)
OM

Well, since we were on an island, I guess the cost included shipping and handling!!! :S2:

I might add, weed cost two dollars more then the price of a short time, but the match box lasted longer! :D

[WashougalWonder]

'Old originals' isn't exactly accurate. Original landraces are all labeled by CAN#, they don't have a name.

Could you elaborate? I am most interested in this topic and you hint at being an expert on the topic. I think all of us would like to get our hands on landraces that have been stable for decades.

I guess I am a purist, pure genetics fascinate me, particularly with cannabis and the various smells and tastes that go with it.

[khyberkitsune]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1388/11550imag0047.jpg

That is a true Mexican Landrace. 100% not imported, at all, lowland Oaxaca region.

VERY Potent stuff.

As for how landraces are found and classified, you'd have to ask the individual program managers on that, but the convention goes by CAN-# followed by the region it was found in (with GPS coordinates if possible) or vice-versa, depending again upon the project.

[TANKJR]

You guys make me feel young! LOL! I haven't seen Thai stick in 30 years or more, nor real Columbian or Panamanian, ( it WOULD be good to see some again tho!) but I noticed the other day Acapulco Gold was a winner this year in the Cannabis Cup...I wonder if it's the same stuff I smoked back in the 70's, cause it sure was good! I'd love to try and grow some indoors and see if it produced the same buzz as the old days...but that's for sometime in the future...I'm busy enough working with what I have, and I just added some purple trainwreck to my collection yesterday, so I'm gonna play with that for awhile now. The AK I will always have cause I like it so much, but this new one looks pretty good....I didn't see all the football games yesterday due to it's effects! ;) I was baked just right! LOL! :D

[stjr2k]

A stick was $35 in Okinawa in 1972. We had flights back and forth to Nam Phong several times a day from my base. In Nam Phong a stick cost $.05. You couldn't actually buy a stick there... a bundle of 20 sticks was $2. It was very difficult to beat the Japanese when they decided you weren't going to be bringing any of that stuff in. When they really got serious, they were able to completely block the import of virtually any herb. Thank God for the good ole US MAIL. :thumbsup:

I have a friend who was over there with me who was constantly lamenting the absence of seeds from some of his old favorites... Thai and Columbian Gold. I did some research and found a company called "World of Seeds" on The Attitude and they carry a number of landrace strains (or so they say) and I ordered some Thai and C-Bo Gold. I absolutely do not have the patience for that type of grow but he has one of each in the ground right now.

Before you consider attempting to grow one of these equatorial sativas, I would offer the friendly suggestion that you study WW's Thai grow log. These stains can clean your clock even if you're very experienced. Especially, if you are not prepared to account for the climate of an area that is warm in the winter and like a sauna in the summer (Thailand). And, that's just for starters.

BTW, one thing I found interesting... The ganga Dr's nitrogen source of choice is human compost. :wtf: