liberal? conservative?

[mellow mood]

Hey hey sup all.

ok a lil thread bout politics. but ill make it short. yea i mean america is pretty divided like whos the best blah blah blah.

so first i just think both liberal and conservative suck hard. no i mean why being in one side? politicians are fuckin corrupted cocks anyway so i just dont get it.

and u guys may have noticed it, but yea i hate governement, and especially Bush. The point is: Bush will make the America fall. dunno if u guys saw the debt of the USA, but thats more than 10 times the whole money we can find in the world(i said this just by guessing.... but still).

so my point is that i just want to undetsand someone thats for Bush. i mean, why being consevative? why keeping old traditions? didnt we evoluated since 100 years? i mean the difference is so big. how can u keep the laws of teh american constitutions old of 200 years? i dont get the point. and is this guy REALLY protecting america? what the danger of terrorist ANYWAY.

"theres terrorists everywhere blah blah blah" cmon man. anyway i think the problem is that Bush shouldnt just make war eveywhere, and maybe USA wouldnt be so much hated by the world population. i live in canada and im not scared of a terrorist attack.

Plus, all the fuckin money it cost for 1 week just coz of the goddamn irak war could easily stop poorness in this country. and by the way USA is so criminilised coz of poorness. ppl wouldnt need to have a fuckin magnum in their pockets to feel safe.

plz help me i cant figure out why some guys like Torog, i fully respect your opinions and all but i just dont understand why you love bush. well thats it.

peace and cheers

[F L E S H]

I try to be interested in politics, at the local, provincial, federal levels, but I'm so sick of this bullshit. There's not a single party/politician out there with whom I can relate. There's nothing out there for me, and in the end no matter who's in power, we lose. Have a nice day!! :D

[richieguy69]

Both of the candidates in this election were douchebags. Is it so hard to find a reasonable intelligent candidate who isn't a money/power hungry pig? Although i figure by the time our generation gets into the White House it may be a little better.

[ermitonto]

Both of the candidates in this election were douchebags. Is it so hard to find a reasonable intelligent candidate who isn't a money/power hungry pig? Although i figure by the time our generation gets into the White House it may be a little better.

Balding Man: You... don't belong here, Stan. You should return home.
Stan: I can't. I was banished for not voting.
Balding Man: But, why on earth wouldn't you wanna vote?
Stan: I think voting is great. I just didn't care this time because it was between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
Balding Man: But Stan, don't you know, it's always between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. Nearly every election since the beginning of time has been between some douche and some turd. They're the only people who suck up enough to make it that far in politics.

[4thpower]

I agree w/ the posts here that the political leaders don't have shit to do w/ the common person, like you or I.

Having said that, terrorism isn't a "threat". It happened. And still does.

I recently watched some home video that one of my smoking buddies' brother took while on tour in Iraq. There was video of road mines placed in public roads (where Iraqi civilians travel daily). There was also video of insurgents opening fire on American civilian workers in Iraq in the middle of a busy intersection. NO REGARD FOR INNOCENT LIFE!!! They place car bombs at the entrances of Mosques where people go to pray.

Not for one second should you believe the spin that CNN (communist news network) says that the insurgents are fighting for the Iraqi people. NEWS FLASH: the insurgents aren't Iraqi. They just hate you, as an american, or as a member of a capitalist society. That's why they want to kill you. Don't believe me?

Whatever the reason for starting a shit-storm in Iraq (of which I have serious issues), the fight now is against terrorists.

Just a thought.

[amsterdam]

I agree w/ the posts here that the political leaders don't have shit to do w/ the common person, like you or I.

Having said that, terrorism isn't a "threat". It happened. And still does.

I recently watched some home video that one of my smoking buddies' brother took while on tour in Iraq. There was video of road mines placed in public roads (where Iraqi civilians travel daily). There was also video of insurgents opening fire on American civilian workers in Iraq in the middle of a busy intersection. NO REGARD FOR INNOCENT LIFE!!! They place car bombs at the entrances of Mosques where people go to pray.

Not for one second should you believe the spin that CNN (communist news network) says that the insurgents are fighting for the Iraqi people. NEWS FLASH: the insurgents aren't Iraqi. They just hate you, as an american, or as a member of a capitalist society. That's why they want to kill you. Don't believe me?

Whatever the reason for starting a shit-storm in Iraq (of which I have serious issues), the fight now is against terrorists.

Just a thought.


or the cbs reporter who is locked up in baghdad now after he was caught carrying c4 and rockets with the murderers!!

:confused:

[LOVElife]

hope you lot in America realise its the Elections next week in UK and if Conservatives beat Labour, the conservative leader is a fag and will not have such a good relationship with Bush as Blair does. I fear for the Conservatives being back in power, they even want to grade cannabis class b instead of keeping it at c. BIG UP THE LABOUR

[stonefly]

What does "Liberal" and "Conservative" really mean anymore anyway? Those terms are suppossed to desribe a philosophy of government. Like "Liberal use of government" or "Conservative use of government" to deal with a country's issues. In the spirit of their real meaning I would venture to say that most people are actually quite "conservative". However the terms "Liberal" and "Conservative" today seem to apply to one's moral philosophy , not one's opinion of how much government to use. IMO this change in public perception of the terms "Liberal" and "Consrvative" is driven by the Democrats. After all, if the true spirit of "Liberal", which is liberal use of government (lots of government), is known, how many people will support a "Liberal Government?" If you twist the meanings to describe a moral idea, "Liberal" appeals to many more people as it implies more personal freedoms than "Conservative". Once informed as to the true meaning of the "Liberals" and "Conservatives" suddenly "Conservative" implies more personal freedom as it means less governmental control. So are you really a "Liberal" or a "Conservative?"

[ermitonto]

Whatever it means these days, it certainly does NOT mean how much government you want. According to that theory, anarchists would be the most extreme conservatives and all those conservative Christians would be staunchly opposed to completely unnecessary abuses of government might such as the Patriot Act or prohibitions against victimless crimes (drugs, sodomy, prostitution, gambling, etc).

[DonnieDarko]

the guys who run for prez have no balls. The guys with balls cant get elected. Americans are pretty much fat, dum, and happy. Sure we bitch about taxes, and terrorists, and poor pplz. But no matter who you vote 4, a chump gets in office and doesn't change shit.

[stonefly]

I don't know much about international politics (or domestic). Does "Liberal" and "Conservative" mean the same thing in the UK, Canada, etc? Is it a name for a certain political group (party)? A description of the group's moral values/opinions/stance? A description of the group's stance on size or amount of government?

[NowhereMan]

there is a polotics board,
plenty of discussions there about Mr bush ,torog and ect ect.

[ermitonto]

I don't know much about international politics (or domestic). Does "Liberal" and "Conservative" mean the same thing in the UK, Canada, etc? Is it a name for a certain political group (party)? A description of the group's moral values/opinions/stance? A description of the group's stance on size or amount of government?

No, not in America. In America, a "liberal" is a Democrat, and a "conservative" is a Republican. Individual points on their agenda may differ sometimes but they don't really have any fundamental ideological differences. Sort of like in 1984, when the three governments of the world operated under the same ideology with different names and fiercely hated each other, just not as oppressively totalitarian yet.

But in layman's conversation, the terms are a bit different because most Americans like to see politics in black and white (hence the two-party model). If somebody calls you a liberal, they probably mean it as an insult, roughly equivalent to "you little pansy tree-hugging Christianity-hating pinko commie" and if you're called a conservative, that's pretty much shorthand for "you evil Bible-thumping, brown-people-bombing fascist Nazi".